Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pierre Fitch

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pierre Fitch

This article was speedy deleted under CSD A7. A DRV consensus overturned, finding an assertion of notability. This article is submitted to AfD for full consideration. This is a procedural nomination, so I abstain. Xoloz 15:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Five roles in two years isn't much for a porn actor. WP:PORN BIO reccommends 100+. He doesn't appear to be listed on iafd, either. -- Vary | Talk 15:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:PORN BIO does suggest 100+ movies for an actor, but many of the porn actors on Wikipedia have far less than that threshold ( they probably meet other criteria, but that's not the point). However, it says that they were discussing the number requirements for homosexual porn actors. According to the talk page, people said that 100+ is quite an amount for a gay actor, and the bar has to be set lower for homosexual actors (regarding number of movies made). --Nishkid64 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Added Comment: IAFD is not an accurate measure for gay porn actors, either—nor is AFDB. Neither bother to list most performers.—Chidom ^talk  23:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete. After a thorough search on Google, I saw that Fitch was nominated for Best Actor for the GayVN Awards, but did not win. I could not find him on the Adult film database, but I found five movies that he had done on IMDB. According to WP:PORNBIO, I would say Pierre Fitch does not meet any of the suggested criteria listed. However, I'm still a bit uncertain about this actor. I personally don't know if the movies he made are notable in the gay porn industry. --Nishkid64 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Even if the standard for gay porn is set lower than a hundred, five films doesn't approach any reasonable porn standard. Fan-1967 16:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep One of the 16 Men of Falcon, 2006. Even if passed over by GayVN, still pretty special. Donnabella 19:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm the one who nominated it for Speedy Deletion to start with; the content hasn't changed all that much from the article as originally written. I do not believe there is enough content available for him to have an article at this time; that could change. Right now, he's a gay man who has been in five or six porn films in three years and is living with his husband and giving webcam shows. There are plenty of webcam shows; that's not asserting importance. As for being a Falcon Exclusive, that doesn't negate the need for a larger videography, and he's resigned from Falcon and film pornography. While he doesn't need 100 (see the discussion of WP:PORN BIO, he does need a larger videography. The nomination doesn't add importance at all; many newcomers to the industry are nominated their first year or so in it. He has not established himself as a porn star. This performer is a prime example of self-promotion and what a vanity article looks like.—Chidom ^talk  19:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. -Kmaguir1 21:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep 18,000 google hits/ :) Dlohcierekim 05:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Switch to delete unless compelling information arises. :) Dlohcierekim 15:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. You may or may not know, but you can never use a Google test when discussing an AfD on a porn actor. Many porn sites use Googlebombing to inflate the number of hits that their porn actors receive, so the number of G-hits is quite misleading. --Nishkid64 14:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nn. Eusebeus 18:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Volunteer Sibelius Salesman 19:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. You can't Googlebomb the IMDB. The IMDB has been criticized for not being thorough for gay porn: therefore a gay porn star with an IMDB entry is more verifiable than the vast majority of the guys listed at List of gay porn stars. Having said that, it is possible that the savvier agents have memberships to IMDB. Augurr 21:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Important up and comer. Ooh, I'm terrible! Augurr 21:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. He took his target audience by storm. Plinth molecular gathered 19:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - the 100+ criterion would exclude all but two gay porn stars. It is ridiculous to try to apply that criterion. While he may have only 5 films, the fact that they were with Falcon Studios, which is by far the industry leader and the gold standard of gay porn, and the fact that he was one of only 16 of their many performers selected for the 2006 calendar makes him qualify. Zeromacnoo 23:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment So we're supposed to have articles on every performer that's ever worked for Falcon Studios? Even those who have deliberately ended their association with the studio after only five films? Falcon is rapidly losing its status as the industry leader and "gold standard". Other studios are producing much more high-quality content per year than Falcon is; they're resting on their laurels, IMO. Nothing personal, but to quote Wicked, "Have you misplaced your mind"?—Chidom ^talk  18:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I pretty much agree with everything Zeromacnoo said above. I have no comment on the reliability or lack thereof of the IMDb for this particular niche. Anton Mravcek 21:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. You don't need a crystal ball to see that he will be a major force in porn as long as his hairline stays put. Carla Bondicteuresse 21:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment. He has resigned from the porn industry and is giving webcam shows. That will never make him a major force in porn.—Chidom ^talk  02:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.