Talk:Baseball scorekeeping

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Contents 1 Referring to players 2 Comments 3 NPOV 4 Cleanup 5 Transwiki 6 Cleanup 2 7 Revision 8 Runner hit by batted ball

[edit] Referring to players

I thought this article was quite comprehensive. However, when the article instructs the reader how to refer to a player, it suggests either refering to their position in the batting order or their uniform number. When I score, I note players by the position they are playing in (ie. 5 for 3B, 8 for CF.) Do I act out of line with convention, or do other people score in this way as well?

Andy4226uk 18:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I've never actually known anyone who uses the jersey numbers either, although I understand how that could work for someone. I personally use the batting order (a runner advances because of what the #6 hitter does, for example), but I'm sure I'm a minority in that. Most of the "how to score" pages I've seen in programs do it with the position numbers like you say. But as long as it's decipherable, there really isn't a "wrong" way. -- dakern74 (talk) 06:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I do not enjoy this article. Sure, it's not encyclopedic, but it's a much better read as it is. In any case, a comment about the so-called "redundancy" of "F" for flyout. Unassisted groundouts to first are quite common; if this were scored 3, one wouldn't know if it were a flyout or groundout unless it's scored G-3 or U-3 or 3U. Although unlikely, it's also possible a fly ball could deflect off one fielder and be caught by another, in which case it might be scored, say, 4-3 if the second baseman deflects the ball and the first baseman catches it. In this case, it looks like a normal groundout. So even if we normally assume that two numbers together indicate a ground out, and that one number alone indicates a flyout, these situations present a problem. The first can be resolved by G-3 or 3U notation; the second needs an "F" to make sense, even though it would almost never occur in real life. So that's one case where an "F" would not be redundant. FWIW, when I score a game I usually just write F-8 or F-4 or whatever. It doesn't really matter though. Also, F can designate a fly caught in foul territory; I usually write F-9F. Of course, anytime it's a foul out it has to be a fly ball, so the first F is unnecessary, even if it were to be a situation where the ball defelcts off one fielder and is caught by another. So 4-3F would obviously be a fly ball.Kevin M Marshall 22:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article needs to be revamped to make it more encyclopedic. I suggest getting rid of biased quips (i.e. "#21 Jeff Kent, the Giants 2nd baseman, and currently a traitorous member of the LA Dodgers", also, finally, in a clear NPOV violation, the use of "IMHO," Internet shorthand for In My Honest/Humble Opinion). This is a good article, but could be made better by editing out NPOVs. Thanks. IanManka 03:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed NPOV comments and tag. Steven McCrary 04:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I'm a scorekeeper for a semi-pro baseball team in Washington, I'll do my best to clean this page up, and do something about those horrendous looking, humongous pictures. Evan Reyes 08:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You know what, scratch that. It'll take too much time that I just don't have to fix it all. Evan Reyes 08:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transwiki

Anyone else agree that, after this is cleaned up, it would be more at home at Wikibooks. Wikipedia has explicit restrictions about how-to manuals, which is what a good article would be. Any thoughts?

I like the idea of a how to being in wikibooks, but a page that atleast explains each acrynom used would be nice to be kept here with a link to the wikibook.Sir hugo 13:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup 2

I needed a good project. I've also been an official scorer in my day, and still keep sheets at every game I go to (which is like three a week). Always thought of writing up something like this, if only as a good time-wasting activity in the winter. I'll take a shot over the next few days. Since I have my own form (I get that "are you a scout" question constantly), I've got plenty of blank programs, so I'd also want to try making up a more legible, more accurate, maybe more varied, sample sheet to scan. At least one that proves itself (anyone figure that out?!) And certainly one where the scorekeeper doesn't admit right in the article that he was drunk at the time. Sigh. Dakern74 05:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revision

Please see my rewritten page at User:Dakern74/Baseball_scorekeeping and offer any comments there. I'd like to replace this article sometime soon since it has been tagged for cleanup since June. Thanks. -- dakern74 (talk) 01:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Runner hit by batted ball

How do you score a runner that is hit by a batted ball and called out ball is dead batter awarded 1st? WilliamKF 02:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A batter hit by his own ball while running up the baseline is credited to the catcher. When a runner gets hit, the batter is credited with a single, and the putout on the runner goes to the nearest fielder. Hope this helps. -- dakern74 (talk) 05:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

But if it is the runner on 1st that is hit going to 2nd, and you credit it to 2nd baseman, does that mean it is fielder's choice, hence no single for batter? WilliamKF 14:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it's merely bookkeeping, to assign every out to a fielder even if the fielder had nothing to do with the play. It's not a fielder's choice, because the fielder did not actually make a play. The batter gets credit for a base hit. The runner is out for interference. Wahkeenah 00:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)