Talk:Blaise Castle
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[edit] Dubious Austen quote
The "finest place in England" quote is actually uttered by John Thorpe, one of the most worthless vain pompous bragging (and lying) characters in Jane Austen's novels. When Catherine Morland (the heroine of Northanger Abbey) hears what "Blaize castle" really is, she's glad she didn't visit! Churchh 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Whatever -- the version you prefer is actively dishonest, since it represents something as being the view of Jane Austen personally which was certainly not in fact the view of Jane Austen personally. If you don't like my honest wording, then come up with your own honest wording -- please don't restore the dishonest wording. Churchh 17:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of your own personal view of honesty, the present comment does not express the neutral style of Wikipedia. I have thus removed the comment. Feel free though to label the article as having a disputed neutrality if you wish. Mordecai121 12:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- It sure would be nice if you knew what you were talking about at a very basic level, before you get all high-and-mighty -- the comment is not uttered by Cateherine Morland! Churchh 01:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- You're quite funny in your insults, but I'm suprised (despite my own mistake of the character) that you don't see how utterly biased your comment is. Can't you incorporate your facts into the passage without the prejudices of your current version? I've reverted the article as a compromise between the two views: your factual information but with perhaps less angry verbage. Mordecai121 21:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Whatever -- the role of the character of John Thorpe within the novel Northanger Abbey is such that any moderately attentive and normally intelligent reader will become very well aware that sentiments uttered by John Thorpe are not likely to be the sentiments of Jane Austen herself (and in fact, are quite likely to be the opposite of Jane Austen's own views). Therefore, any version of this article which includes the John Thorpe quote without making it clear that the John Thorpe's views are not any kind of valid evidence for Jane Austen's personal views is misleading by implication. It would be much the same thing as including a sentence like "Anthony Hopkins said that he ate a liver with fava beans and a nice chianti" in an article.
- If the John Thorpe quote is to be included in this article at all, it must be done in a non-deceptive way. If you don't like my honest wording, then come up with your own honest wording -- please don't just truncate it so that it becomes dishonest wording again. Thank you. Churchh 07:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't mean to cause conflict Churchh (though it seems that's all that I've done). I apologize, but I just believe that an opinion concerning a character's worth, regardless of its connection to Blaise Castle, does not belong in a Wikipedia article such as this one; and as for Jane Austen's opinion of John Thorpe comments, they seem to be largely conjecture, another thing to be avoided when scripting a Wikipedia article. So I have submitted a new wording, but if you believe it misleading, feel free to say so. Mordecai121 04:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're quite funny in your insults, but I'm suprised (despite my own mistake of the character) that you don't see how utterly biased your comment is. Can't you incorporate your facts into the passage without the prejudices of your current version? I've reverted the article as a compromise between the two views: your factual information but with perhaps less angry verbage. Mordecai121 21:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- It sure would be nice if you knew what you were talking about at a very basic level, before you get all high-and-mighty -- the comment is not uttered by Cateherine Morland! Churchh 01:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of your own personal view of honesty, the present comment does not express the neutral style of Wikipedia. I have thus removed the comment. Feel free though to label the article as having a disputed neutrality if you wish. Mordecai121 12:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Whatever -- the version you prefer is actively dishonest, since it represents something as being the view of Jane Austen personally which was certainly not in fact the view of Jane Austen personally. If you don't like my honest wording, then come up with your own honest wording -- please don't restore the dishonest wording. Churchh 17:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
