Talk:Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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"The book was filmed as Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but Dahl never enjoyed the experience of creating the film and vowed not to allow further film versions of his work." -- The Article
Which source states this? I ask because the film was released in 1971 which would mean that Roald Dahl had made the comment sometime around then, however The BFG was turned into a movie in 1989 1 year before his death.
It's quite possible Roald Dahl changed his mind in the 9 years, but I thought I should bring some attention to it, because obviously he changed his mind later ;) --John Lynch 09:53, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Well it's been over a month and no-one was able to offer any proof so I deleted it. If anyone can offer any proof that he said it (a reference or something) then free to put it back, but until that happens I recommend it be left out as the facts suggest that he didn't say it.
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[edit] Book revision - Oompa Loompa ethnicity change
I think that an encyclopedia article on this book should definitely mention the fact that it had portions re-written and re-illustrated for the 1973 edition that changed the Oompa Loompas from African pygmies to figures with "rosy white skin" from Loompaland.
Article with before/after illustrations under movie fact #11
Paper written on the Oompa Loompa change for a Childrens Literature class
Twelve letters discussing the book, including one from Roald Dahl
- I agree, I actually came to the page from another article looking for just that information!--Fluxaviator 09:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I have added a very brief description of the changes in the 1973 edition in the new book revisions section, feel free to expand on it. Here is the link Eleanor Cameron criticisms in a long essay on children’s literature, along with the response from Roald Dahl.[1]--Fluxaviator 21:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
-The Oompa Loompa ethnicity has a lot of relevance to me as a reader. For more than 9 years, me and my family actually owned (and continue to own) a copy of the first edition of the book where the Oompa Loompas are shown as black people. My brother's copy showed them as the fuzzy people they later gained fame as. We got them simultaneously from a second-hand book sale and I was bewildered (I was in third grade) as to the differences in illustration. I just concluded at that tender age that it was a misprint of the illustrations from another book, a pretty stupid one, as I look back on it, but of course, I was young. Later on, with my increased studies in post-colonial writing and race theory, I began to suspect that the difference in illustrations had something to do with a racial controversy that called for a change in the drawings of the Oompa Loompas. It was only a guess to me though, so I couldnt be conclusive as to that theory. Only recently, as I read about the movie and the book on Wikipedia, were my suspicions confirmed. Now as I look back on it, the idea of owning the original controversial copy begins to seem somewhat fascinating, yet very insidious and almost creepy. But my love for the book (one of my favourites as a child) has never diminished. But I probably wont read exactly in the same way anymore, and I'll probably get a chill down my spine the next time I look at my old "beloved" copy. I mean racism, especially in a children's book, isnt a very pleasant idea. -User: Afghan Historian
- Racism or foreign aid? I think Dahl was indicating the latter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Charlie unspoiled?
Each of the children pose as an allegory for the various vices found within the personalities of children in those days. Charlie is clearly outlined as the ideal child, humble, kind, and "unspoiled."
Charlie and Grandpa both drink an experimental drink which makes the pair lighter-than-air and causes them to nearly tangle with (in the movie version) a rather vicious rotating fan blade.
[edit] Working for Cadbury
Roald Dahl never 'worked' for Cadbury, he simply took part in market research. The article implies that he worked for Cadbury aged 13, and was amazed by the machinery, when in fact, according to the article cited, he just imagined this, as opposed to experiencing it first hand.
[edit] Delete the little monsters
Thought you guys might care about the Snozzwangers getting deleted mabey. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snozzwangers 131.7.52.17 21:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I think there were other fictional creatures listed as well. Why was it deleted exactly and where can I go to get the names and References? FourtySixNtwo 19:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Balancing Spotty Powder
I may have made it too long, but I believe that this section, with a chilling tone, needed to be balanced with the treatment of the other children, who also suffered disturbing fates but turned out all right. While Dahl does show (even in The Great Glass Elevator) characters dying, the deleted section matches the other sections in which the naughty children meet their fates, and this is not something I believe the original section indicated.
[edit] Mike Teevee
In light of this "lost chapter" does anyone think perhaps Mike was added in more recently than the original version? He seems quite anachronistic... Back in the 60s there was barely any TV to watch at all, just like one cowboy show and that was all... and while a lot of people tune in obsessively at that one time period every day, that was it. Broadcast was over for the day, if I remember my history correctly. I don't think they even abbreviated it "T.V." at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong and that was more indicative of the 50s? Either way it always struck me as odd that the kids' vices are so unbalanced. Being spoiled and gluttonous are surely several orders of magnitude worse than habitually chewing gum and enjoying Howdy Doody. Of course, in the end, the thing that does them in is all the same thing.. being way too uncareful and blundering into an easily-avoidable death trap. I wonder what Dahl would have to say about the warning labels they put on things these days? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Seven deadly sins
I noticed statements in this article and those on each of the children, linking them to the seven deadly sins. This reads like someone random person's speculation (especially in the use of words like "seems" and "appears"). These observations will need to be sourced reliably, or removed. WP:NOT for rubbishy fan-theory speculation.--Drat (Talk) 06:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
