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Article Milestones Date Process Result August 22, 2005 Peer review Reviewed December 28, 2005 Good article nominee Listed March 19, 2007 Good article review Delisted Current Status: Delisted good article

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Here are some tasks you can do: Requests: Restore this article's WP:GA status. Copyedit: In order to satisfy Wikipedia's lead guidelines, the lead section should be three paragraphs. Attribute all quotations and statements which a {{fact}} template is attached to. Remove all statements which are potentially unstable (prone to consistent changes such as record sales) or move them to related articles (such as discography) Wikify: The names of musical notes should be in scientific pitch notation. Cleanup: Use proper citations in the references section, as it looks like an absolute mess Expand: Expand the debut album article to include major events during Christina's promotion of that album. Update: Include information about Aguilera's childhood, outside of music in the Early years section. Include information about her marriage and related tattoos. NPOV: Make sure that mentions of Aguilera's accomplishments do not get special emphasis (e.g. mentioning them in the lead sentence, higlighting them on charts). Remove Weasel wording. Other: Make sure that the main image remains Public Domain, GFDL or Creative Commons BY-SA as we are required to use such images per Wikipedia's Fair use criteria.
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Contents 1 Grammy intro 2 No1 Singles 3 Origin 4 Photo 5 "Block Attention" 6 Pictures

[edit] Grammy intro

The intro repeats her Grammy wins in 5 sentences. There's no doubt this deserves to be in the intro but must it be mentioned 5 times? If you look at a featured article like Weird Al Yankovic, it summarises his awards in a sentence: "His works have earned him three Grammy Awards amongst nine nominations, three gold records, and five platinum records." So rather than repeat her wins 5 times, it would be better to say that "Her works have earned her 5 Grammy Awards amongst 16 nominations" and then list the specific awards later in the article. When she was promoted to a good article here, it summarised her awards rather than repeated it. Spellcast 10:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Go, go, go! --w^{L<speak·check>} 06:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This was delisted as a good article due to the reasons posted by ShadowHalo here. One point says that the Grammy table has a rather POV layout so I've started by removing the colour which highlights the rows where an award was won. Spellcast 13:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No1 Singles

Why are the peak positions in France in this section? surely they shud be left in the Disography section??Mysticmartin 00:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

France is the 4th biggest market in the world, it's even more important than Australia, Canada and Germany, even though when X-tina doesn't have any number one single there. France must be included anyways. Kraft. 23:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

But its a section about No1 singles of which she has none in France. Therefore irrelevent to the section unless the section is changed?Mysticmartin 13:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin

Since when has Christina been from oklahoma or however you spell it, she was born in New York city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louievanstone (talk • contribs) 15:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

The Oklahoma birth seems false. It was originally added by '84.69.61.78'- who also thought that her career began in 2002. Spellcast 08:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

• I just reverted several versions of this page; for some reason, it was reverted to a version that said she was born in Oklahoma. There seems to be a lot of editing warring at the moment, so I reverted to a version before the edit wars began. Acalamari 02:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I was rather surprised to see that someone this famous has so little biographical information on Wikipedia.Ronstock 16:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

Would somone please change the photogragh to anything other thatn what it is currently. The current photo shows nothing of her current style, weight &/or image. Hiltonhampton 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Block Attention"

What does "As a child she performed at block attention" mean? Got me scratching my head. Was she a railway signalman as a child? Any ideas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.12.144.21 (talk) 05:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

It's supposed to say "Block party" --w^{L<speak·check>} 23:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I've been reverted twice on this, so we need to discuss this so it doesn't escalate. Many of the images here are not being used properly at all. The article doesn't (and shouldn't) discuss the "Genie in a Bottle" video, so there's no reason to include the copyrighted image Image:Geniecap.jpg. If it's being used to illustrate her "bubblegum" image, then Image:ChristinainChicadoAbril2000.jpg should be used instead. Image:CandymanMusicVideoScreen.PNG also doesn't illustrate anything in the text. If the influence of jazz from previous decades is to be shown then there are plenty of free images here. ShadowHalo 07:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

On a separate note, I've listed this article at Wikipedia:Good article review, mainly for the referencing issues. Anyone with input about the article's status should discuss its GA status there. ShadowHalo 08:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Delisted. I can't believe how I seen fancruft take the article down like this. --w^{L<speak·check>} 19:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

My only issue is with the photographs, Genie in a Bottle does not have to be mentioned in an article. It is [her] first single, and well-known at that. It causes people to want to read about the single and the rest of the album/article. Same with the Candyman cap, these pictures don't enlarge anything and makes the page look CLEAN, and the with low resolution, unflattering pictures on the first section in her biography. I still think they should be changed, hopefully others agree. 72.199.158.206 10:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they're both well-known. However, we can't include them in the articles unless they illustrate something that can't be illustrated with a free picture (see Wikipedia:Fair use). For example, the video for "Dirrty" was controversial, and that's discussed in the article, so it would be appropriate to have a screenshot to show why it would be controversial. Likewise, her appearance in "Lady Marmalade" was criticized and compared to that of Dee Snider; since the article discusses that (now), it's helpful to include a picture to illustrate why people would make that comparison. However, there's nothing significant about the "Genie in a Bottle" or "Candyman" videos aside from her ever-changing image, so a free picture works just as well and, as stated at Wikipedia:Fair use criteria, "Always use a more free alternative if one of acceptable quality is available. 'Acceptable quality' means quality sufficient to serve the necessary encyclopedic purpose." ShadowHalo 10:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There's thousands of biographies that include at least one or two photos that don't have entire story. I just don't see the concept of having to include a photo that has to be described in full detail. Just like how here signining some autograph isn't as interesting as her debut video. That's the point of these photographs to show her, and how she evolves. The only issue here is that the pictures that are replacing these ones are poor, cheap, and brings down the page a few notches. But I'm not going to get into changing picture back and forth, I could do the same and continue to discuss about it, but seeing as how you did it first, there's no point in changing it back seeing how you're going to repeat yourself. So I'll let the page, even at the expense of how it will continue to look. 72.199.158.206 18:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The point is that, simply put, we can't use copyrighted pictures unless there is enough critical commentary to justify it and there is no free alternative. A picture of her signing an autograph isn't as interesting, but it still fulfills the encyclopedic purpose by showing her look back then and it is a freely licensed picture. ShadowHalo 18:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I feel the only use for the video screenshots are for the singles' articles themselves, as they are used to describe the video in ways a free use image can't. Even though the free pics make the article look less appealing, they make sure that the article remains completely "free to edit", as Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is made to be. If a pic looks ugly, replace it with a better looking image that fits the policy, or edit the one we have now like the main image for the Wii article. --w^{L<speak·check>} 20:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced Image:Christina Aguilera - Christina Aguilera.jpg with Image:ChristinaAguilera2000.jpg; there is no critical commentary on the album cover, and there's a free image available for it. I've also replaced Image:Dirrtyxtina.jpg with Image:Strippedtour backstage2003.jpg. Unlike the image of "Lady Marmalade", there doesn't appear to be any critical commentary on Aguilera's actual appearance in the video, so it's best to stick with free images. As stated at Wikipedia:Fair use, "Always use a more free alternative if one of acceptable quality is available." ShadowHalo 08:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason why there should be a revert war over this. It is ridiculous to include the backstage picture of her tour when the original capture clearly portrays the music video and it is mentioned in the article. As for the debut album, I only added that because the beginning of the article mentions her singles, album certification, and success. I don't see why we have to replace it with another picture. The pictures are fine as is and have been that way for several months now it makes no sense changing them. UnknownDude 18:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It should be replaced with another picture since, simply put, these images are unfree. Whenever a free picture can be used to illustrate a section, it should be. That unfree images are used (and without fair use rationales) for long periods of time simply means that people ignore our fair use policy; it doesn't justify continuing to do so. I've listed this article at Wikipedia:Fair use review#26 March 2007 to hopefully get some input. ShadowHalo 23:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)