Talk:Dizzy (Guilty Gear)

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Contents 1 Stuff 2 The Parent Argument 3 Spelling correction across four articles 4 Trigun? 5 Semi-Protection?

[edit] Stuff

Okay, started this out. I think I got the height Dizzy fell in GGXX wrong, though. Feel free to correct it. Yar Kramer 22:06, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't exactly interpret surviving the fall from the Mayship as "apparent immortality". Certainly very few (no?) humans could do it, but Dizzy is half-Gear, so maybe she's just more resilient to physical shock than "pure" humans. In addition, we don't know if maybe Necro or Undine (or both) did something to lessen the impact because, after falling, she wasn't conscious until after defeating Faust. -RTL 14 May 2005 (GMT)

Y'know, to be honest, I really only referred to that as "immortality" because I couldn't think of a better way to put it than that. I'll fix it. Yar Kramer 07:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Yar, the article is very good. -RTL 22 May 2005 (GMT)

Just a note, some links in other articles already exist to blank character pages. However, some of these links go to "Character Name (Video Game Character)" rather then "Character Name (Guilty Gear)," might want to keep that in mind. I already make a redirect at "Dizzy (video game character)." And remember, if a character already has a unique enough name, then there's no reason to slap on "(Guilty Gear)" on the article name. --Paul Soth 18:34, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Ah, all right. Thanks for the tip. Yar Kramer 02:13, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

In keeping with the format of the other character articles, could someone do a summary of Dizzy's gameplay? I'm not very familiar with her; just that her "fish" and bolt summons are used for her pressure game, and doing TK bubble is very important because the bubble will float the opponent and disallows teching. Oh yeah, and her ice spike FRC loops. -RTL 22 May 2005 (GMT)

Sure thing. I'm on it. Digital Watches 22:56, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! -RTL 10 June 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Parent Argument

Is it really necessary to have that whole paragraph on why it's still possible that Sol is Dizzy's father? The only thing stated thus far is that Dizzy's mother is Justice. There's not even any solid, canon evidence whatsoever that she wasn't born of a character that is never played or even MENTIONED in any material thus far. Therefore anything that says otherwise is purely fan speculation, and shouldn't be put in the article until it's been officially stated.

True. Removing now. --Yar Kramer 23:41, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I was thinking that until we get a canon source saying otherwise, all speculation as to the father be kept on the talk page, as this makes it a lot less confusing to those not familiar with the character.

... Good idea. --Yar Kramer 19:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, since Sol (Frederick) is a Gear this makes it a lot less likely since Dizzy's human DNA would suggest the father to be such. It is possible, however, that Dizzy was concieved via a reserve of Frederick's DNA prior to the Gear transformation. Also we don't know the actual specifics of Gear transformation, and those like Sol and Testament could very well still have their original human genetic makeup intact as opposed to purely concieved gears like Justice. Both theories are pretty high up in the air, though.

Right now, aside from Sol's heavily open-to-interpretation words to her in GGXX, the closest possible candidate we have now is Kliff Undersn, based on her Arcade mode victory message ("Please, don't die.... You look just like my father.") which could just be a reference to her pre-GGX foster father. Hell, knowing the kind of crazy sci-fi stuff possible within the GG universe her human parent might not even be a male! – Kuuenbu 04:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I wouldn't go that far. Occam's Razor, like I said in the Justice talk page, and all that. Kliff aside, we can probably rule out ... uh, a whole lot of the male cast, actually, on the grounds of either "they'd probably have made it more obvious" (Chipp, Johnny, Venom, just to name a few), or "it's hilariously impossible" (Bridget, Potemkin). Beyond that ... yeah. All we can say for certain is that we don't know who it is. It could even be some NPC we've never even seen before. --Yar Kramer 06:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

who ever put that sentence in the wikipedia, was totally misleading the readers though.

"you look just like my father" please notice that Dizzy has hever met her real parents. the fater here just simplely referring to the old couple who adopted her before she was exiled to the forest.

Uh, it isn't the actual article. This is the talk page. --Yar Kramer 06:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

yes that's because the original sentence in the article page is already deleted

And it was removed long before you made the comment. Why does it even need to be mentioned here? --Yar Kramer 17:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I for one support that it is Frederick (Sol) that is Dizzy's Father. You understand that Frederick is the prototype Gear, and one of the researchers involved in the Gear Project (along with That Man and Justice before she became a Gear), meaning he was a Gear before Justice was (Justice was originally human, which is why she retained her intelligence and free will.) It is entirely possible that Dizzy was concieved before Justice became a gear, and thus she would have inherited her Gear genes from Frederick and human genes from Justice. That's my theory at least. --Interrorgation2 07:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

But then you'd have to be contesting that somehow, Justice was pregnant for at the very least a couple of years (I forget how long it is between Justice becoming a gear and Dizzy being born, but it's a matter of years) and more likely, before Sol/Frederick left (Over a hundred years.) Somehow, I think the gestation period would be a bit shorter. --Digital Watches

Well, yeah, you have a point...It was just my theory is all. Then it would play into Justice's final words, with the 'three of us' she refers to being Justice, Frederick, and Dizzy. But, it's still more likely that was Justice, Frederick, and That Man that she refers to. Speaking of, could it even be considered that That Man could be her father? I'm doubting this because of his 'there was a daughter' or likeness of that comment, but it's still something possible. Of course we don't even know if he's human. --Interrorgation2

It's not JUST a "matter of years", DW. The Crusades lasted about a hundred years, while Justice was a Gear the whole time, and Dizzy is chronologically three. (Then there's the fact that, as such, Dizzy was apparently born while Justice was still sealed away for five years prior to the "less than a year" period between GG and GGX. My pet theory about that, as I've mentioned elsewhere, is that Dizzy hatched from an egg, but a century is still a mean gestation period, and anyway there's no evidence for it whatsoever.). --Yar Kramer 19:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

This is all senseless specualtion. The talkpage is intended for the discussion of the article and its content. Please take this to a forum. -Zero^Talk 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, the entire purpose, which you just stated, but in different words, of a talk page, is to house things that aren't to be made part of the article until the issue is resolved among the writers. If you didn't allow speculation on a talk page, then it would end up in the article, which, I'm sure, no one wants. Your concern is appreciated, but I believe the talk page is being used correctly. Digital Watches 05:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. -Zero^Talk 08:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling correction across four articles

Er ... *eyes this, Zato-1, Zappa (Guilty Gear), and Testament (Guilty Gear)* ... I suck at spelling "possess", don't I? ^^; --Yar Kramer 01:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trigun?

Um ... okay, I wonder if throwing in a reference to Trigun is really necessary here. I mean, yeah, Dizzy does kinda vaguely sort of resemble that, though I don't think it's very similar, but is that section entirely relevant to this article on the whole? On top of that, it seems to be a bit of an original research and unverifiable thing to me .... --Yar Kramer 20:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-Protection?

It seems like a lot of people are still posting speculation as to Dizzy's father, even though we've made it very clear that it shouldn't be done. I think that at this point, we should consider it vandalism if it happens again. It also seems like it's a bunch of IPs/anonymous users, who would be incapable of watching the page for changes. Perhaps it would be warranted to file for semi-protection of this article, as it may stop this seemingly endless revert war. The bracket thing there is nice, but I don't think it'll stop anyone who would've put something there in the first place. --Digital Watches 22:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)