Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hamburg warehouse disctrict at night

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[edit] Hamburg warehouse district at night

Hamburg warehouse district at night

Reason: I'm nominating it mainly because I like the composition, the wild colors and the... well, the 'feel' of it. I don't know exactly why I like it that much. Maybe that's normal with pictures that are simply 'right'. It is featured in the article about the German City of Hamburg which I happen to compose a presentation about for school (my father was born and raised there) but maybe that's a little too much information. :-)
Articles this image appears in: Hamburg
Creator: Oliver Nimz
Nominator: T deece

Support — T deece 00:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Weak Support Technically pretty good but not exactly astonishing or highly interesting. Arjun 02:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
~~Neutral~~ Changed to Weak Oppose per Dschwen. Agree with Arjun, this is a very high quality picture but doesn't strike me as the most characteristic image for the Speicherstadt, which is one of the most photographed areas of Hamburg. I'd like to see more images of the photographer though, so far he only posted 2 on Commons (the other one is this). ~ trialsanderrors 06:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Weak oppose. The picture is significantly oversharpened. Apparently it depicts the old police station at the Speicherstadt. I could imagine views which are more representative for the Speicherstadt itself and the city (the article it appears in). --Dschwen 16:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Support Awe, come on, this stinking little version doesn't do the photograph justice. My jaw dropped open after I clicked on it for the full-size picture. It's got awesome lighting and near-3D depth. I think it meets the criteria, for “being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article.” Greg L 06:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Comment is that an HDR photo? HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 01:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Weak oppose It's a terribly nice photo, but I don't feel that I'm getting a lot of information about Hamburg from it. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 21:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Oppose -- it's not an EN featured picture... maybe Commons, but here it has to really be good for an article--which this isn't. It doesn't show me much about Hamburg. gren グレン 08:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

oversharpend edges

Support Oversharpened? Well ... it's sharp alright. But OVERsharpened? I think its sharpness is appropriate. Well, it looks a litte like HDR. Put it in the HDR article and nominate it again! :-) No, I strongly support this pic. I've seen worse featured pictures on Wiki, this one I LIKE! TheVoiceOfTheLord 12:11, 23 January 2007
- Check the detailed magnifications. The contrasty edges have artificial bright halos to increase the accutance and percieved sharpness. A perfect picture should be sharp without such prominent artifacts. --Dschwen(A) 14:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sure those aren't halos produced by the HDR-processing? I'm no expert at that but I know HDR-processing often does this. --TheVoiceOfTheLord(User:TheVoiceOfTheLord) 18:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  - Yes, pretty sure (HDR halos are larger). And it isn't even established that this is HDR. --Dschwen(A) 17:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nitpicking. I've seen other "experts" whine about "depth of field" and "noise" issues in pictures that had no such problems — at least in the sizes they're used in articles on Wikipedia. All the whining about trivial flaws (if that's an accurate term when the "flaw" doesn't really exist) misses the point: The test isn't whether a picture is flawless (some self-anointed experts can find flaws in Ansel Adams’ pictures), it's whether or not the picture is striking and engages the reader. Some critics on this page need to stop acting like "Charlie the Tuna" (oh so anxious to demonstrate how they have good taste and advanced knowledge of photography), and simply vote based on whether or not the picture is “eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article.” I'm not saying this picture IS eye-catching; I simply voted for it because my opinion is that it is. If one opposes the picture, they ought to do so based on criteria more important than "I enlarged the picture sixteen trillion percent and detected some noise". OK, my rant is over. I'm feeling much better now, thank you. I’m no longer a danger to myself or to others.*sigh…* Greg L 21:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Come on, people! If you have to artificially enlarge an image to see its "over sharpening" or "DOF problems" or "minor focus issues" then it doesn't have any as far as I'm concerned. An image like this would entice me to view the accompanying article just as much as one of Diliff's panoramas. FP isn't a photography contest. You can take your time examining every bit of an image under a magnifying glass looking for tiny flaws if you want, but what makes you think anyone else will? I'd be willing to wager that those who look at a POTD FP do so for maybe 2-3 seconds, then either enlarge it or visit its associated article. A small fraction of those will bother viewing the original full image. Flat nobody will download and open the image in Photoshop, zoom in and start looking for "minor focus problems." A lot of you seem to have forgotten that this is a discussion of featured image candidates, not perfect image candidates. This particular image may not be the best place to bring this up, but Greg L did so I figured I'd give my two cents. Bah! Support. Noclip
  - Wrong assertions and accusations. I enlarged to demonstrate, I noticed the oversharpening without zoom. If you disagree fine, but don't write such a load of BS, thanks. --Dschwen(A) 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    - My only assertion is that the image is worthy of featured picture status. I can see that you disagree. Noclip 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
      - Yes, and I detailed my readons in my first comment all the way up. My main beef is the ridiculing of the vote, and the allegation that I zoom in to nitpick and had to artificially enlarge an image to see its "over sharpening" (note the quotes) and what not. Grrrr! As you can read above the oversharpening is not the only reason for my weak oppose. And yet you and Greg L just comment on those trivial flaws and sarcastically titulate people complaining about them experts-in-double-quotes. WTF?! I've been around FPC for quite a while and it frankly annoys me to read rants like that here and not in a more general form on the talk page. Why? Because an issue like oversharpening has been critically remareked every time it occured in a nomination for years. If you have a problem with the standards, just say it, but don't blame me for it. --Dschwen(A) 22:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
        
        “We've trained fire hoses on civil rights marchers for years down here! That's why I participate in the sport.” ;-) Greg L 00:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
        
        I don't see how your pastimes tie into this discussion. --Dschwen(A) 08:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Regretful Oppose This would be perfect for FP on Commons, but not here. Not much encyclopedic value. Although I must say, the buildings on both sides would be perfect for some parkour... S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 03:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)