User talk:HopeSeekr of xMule

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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Omnipresence 3 Custom signatures 4 Major Ban on Use of Contraceptives 5 Colourful signature 6 References 7 The "External links" section 8 Pages Needing Deletion 9 Jacobin 10 User:Steve espinola et al. 11 Archive Indexer 12 Listen chump 13 CFD archive indices 14 Rose-related sock puppets 15 Kolob 16 Willmcw dispute 17 You left a message for me 18 Esteve espinola 19 Hello 20 Concerted and vociferous personal attacks :-// 21 Removal 22 benefit of the doubt 23 Houston Astros 24 Welcome tag 25 Causality 26 Wikipedia:Cleanup/December 27 Still the conflict?! 28 Growing 29 The yin yang 30 Steve/Bob/Ayers, run run run 31 "welcome to wiki!"

Welcome!

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Omnipresence

Hello, HopeSeekr. I noticed that you made some good edits to Omnipresence, and would like to indicate that such contributions are very much appreciated. You seem to be holding out well on your own, but in case you have any doubts feel free to contact me. Cheers. –Sn0wflake 16:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

That welcome r0x0rz my b0x0rz :-)–hope–

Custom signatures

Hi, HopeSeekr. Before I answer your question, I would like to point out that it is considered disrespectful to point your signature to an external link, but I am sure it's a temporary measure until you create an User page, so let's move on. There is actually more than one way of customizing your sginature, but to get the format you want, what I would do would be: 1)Go to your Preferences 2)Activate the "Raw signatures" option 3)Insert the following piece of text as your nickname "]] [[User talk:YOURUSERNAME|Talk" (in case you copy from the Edit page, ignore the nowiki parameter, it's there to disallow the wiki software from parsing my example) 4) sign by usind four tildes, such as "~~~~", there is a handy button which does that on your edit bar, it's the second from the right. That's basically it. Cheers. --Sn0wflake 12:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Major Ban on Use of Contraceptives

Yes I agree with your comments, I've put a suggested text under your remarks in Talk:Birth control, if you concur then lets try adding it to main text, and see what flak it may generate :-) David Ruben 18:49, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Colourful signature

To add colours to your signature, go to Special:Preferences and edit the Nickname field. You can add colours in standard HTML, so that... <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">Red Word</FONT> ...produces... Red Word A chart of all the color codes is here. You can do this multiple times in a signature to get a colour blend like mine, but I wouldn't advise using more than 5 or so colours. Hope this helps, and if you need more, feel free to ask me on my talk page anytime! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:28, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

References

You have marked the article Velella as being in need of references. What exactly were you seeking? These are animals that have been around since long before we humans - what sort of reference do they need. Indeed their common name of 'by the wind sailor' is used in medeival manuscipts and is also in common use today. I know these animals, I have seen them, I have photographed them. I can refer to a taxonomy book to bear out my claim that they are what I say they are but who would dispute that anyway? The article Oak has no references and, for my part, seems to need none since in both Texas and the UK we know what an Oak is. In a similar vein, those of us who live by the sea know Vellela sp. I'm not sure where you are coming from here ? Velela 22:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Added a reference. Cheers! HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 00:37, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

The "External links" section

I'm glad to see someone expanding the Americans with disabilities article and I look forward to reading more tomorrow.

I hate to be nitpicky, but the sections "External links" and "See also" are standard to most pages on the Wikipedia and always have the first word capitalized and the second word in lower case. A template such as Template:CompactTOC5 expects to see those sections with that capitalization, so that the links will work. -- Reinyday 01:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Pages Needing Deletion

If only the deletion protocols were simpler :-/ It takes me 5 minutes per article :-/ Help me out here by doing the VfD for me :-)

• Kidding on the square
  • I started adding to this. Let's see if it grows. -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• List of colonial governors in 1778
• There are plenty of these. See Category:Lists of state leaders by year
• Gurvantes, Ömnögovi
  • It's a stub; let it grow.
• Communes of the Lot département
  • Has good information, not worth deleting.
• Particle (band)
  • This looks legit to me. -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• Psychopathic Rydas
  • Another band, which is fine by me. -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• Dosatron
  • I tagged this as a corp-stub and needing copyedit. -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• iMeta
  • Another corp stub. Tagged cleanup-importance.
• Tell-tale — I mean, WTF?!?! looks like *some*one* was high :o
  • I assume this is a legit math topic. I tagged it for de-jargonification, being a stub, and lacking context. -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

None of these really seemed to need deletion. If an article is about something non-notable (or it's not clear why it deserves an encyclopedia article) and you don't want to bother listing it on VFD, you can tag it {{cleanup-importance}}. Articles which contain even a small amount of useful information, I usually tag as stubs and let them grow. (Thanks for helping to deal with these, though.) -- Beland 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Jacobin

TNX - Jmabel | Talk 17:10, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

User:Steve espinola et al.

It's rather funny, I think, that this user is going around boasting of his contributions. Apparently he thinks that "Clean up" means adding some glib headers, or maybe just clearing away the clean-up tags. Regarding links to show an editor's specific contribution, yes, you have to give the full URL. Nortmally it would be a link to show the difference between the edit and the last version. For example, [1]. Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia. Cheers, -Willmcw 01:33, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Archive Indexer

Hmm...it would be nice to have single alphabetical index, instead of a per-month alphabetical index, but it seems that would run too long. The very-old /unresolved and /resolved listings are also very hard to navigate, and also incomplete, though I'm not sure what is going to be done about that. ::sigh:: -- Beland 04:46, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Listen chump

Moved to User_talk:Sojambi_Pinola where it might very well be deleted.

CFD archive indices

Hi - I noticed you seem to have also written an automated CFD archive indexer. I've recently written one as well, using bash/awk. I don't really care which one we end up using, but it seems there should be only one. Mine is at User:Rick_Block/CFDindexer. It might be interesting to run both and diff the output. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:48, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

I replied to your reply on my talk page (I hate fragmented discussions). Please reply there, or if you'd rather we can move the whole thread here. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:59, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Rose-related sock puppets

Upon reflection and consultation with other administrators, I have blocked most of the sock puppet accounts that have been involved in editing Biff Rose. I've posted a note about the incident on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Biff Rose-related sock puppets. You may wish to add a short comment as well. Perhaps with the editor back to one account (at least temporarily) we can unprotect the page and return to editing. Thanks for your patience and your contributions. -Willmcw 22:19, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Kolob

I was just curious why you introduced an NPOV tag in the Kolob article. I've worked on the article extensively in the past, and I'm interested to see what parts you think are controversial. COGDEN 04:24, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious, too! There were a number of controversial edits and opinions some months back, but most were discussed and feathers smoothed by Mid-May of this year. Should we archive the old talk to inicate resolution to the issues or do you really see an ongoing NPOV problem? WBardwin 06:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

My bad! I had a computer crash and apparently the talk comment wasn't added. I'll do that ASAP. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 12:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Willmcw dispute

Greetings and thankyou for your note. Unfortunately the conflict I am having with WIllmcw extends much further than the Rose article. He has been engaged in various forms of personal harassment, personal attack, disruption, and stalking against me dating back to February and it simply crossed over into the dispute in which you were involved - one of many similar cases with him to do so. I've requested mediation against him over this and another user who is assisting his disruptive behavior. Rangerdude 18:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

You left a message for me

That made no sense. I guess that's just a mistake. Jonah Ayers 18:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Esteve espinola

Regarding this user and his most obvious sockpuppet, I applied the block solely based on the personal attack he posted on your Talk page. If the action that needs to be taken against him is as substantial as you imply, then this this might be a case for the WP:RFAr. Nevertheless, if the user behaves out of line once more, contact me and I will enforce a much more significant block. --Sn0wflake 05:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

As I've mentioned elsewhere, this guy's sockpuppets have been "blocked", but he is not "banned" as an editor. Until now I've considered him a quaint troll. However personal attacks on other editors are unacceptable, especially on following other unhelpful edits. The time to pursue mediation between the community and user:Jonah Ayers is probably overdue. An RfC on the Biff Rose article was previously filed. -Willmcw 10:37, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

To me it seems that Arbitration is a logical step to take, and I will support the move in case you (both) decide to open a case. At the moment, what I can do is help Willmcw enforce his sysop rights. So if, for example, somebody unblocks Espinola after you enforce a block, drop me a note and I will re-block him and defend your position. However, I can't just dive into this dispute without having a basis, so decide what course of action is going to be taken and I'll likely support it. Regards, --Sn0wflake 03:08, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess I'll put together an RfC, probably next week. It may ultimately go to arbitration, but those folks are swamped, and the standard procedure is to follow the dispute resolution steps. Cheers, -Willmcw 07:05, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Good because in my case I've got it all here, and from what the adminsitrators I've found who aren't your pals have said, you and hopeseekr and snowflake have all done exactly what you accuse me of. I'm tired of sitting back. You try and ban me. It's clear that will and hope are not fixing anyhting, you've decided I'm responsible for someone else's mischief. Ack. I hate the whole thing. Go get whoever, and leave my edits be. You people are terrible and spend too much energy persecuting the wrong people.Jonah Ayers

Hell? Conspirathon? No conspiracy here, doncha worry, Hopeseekr.... :) -Sojambi Pinola 20:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello

...from a fellow Houstonian! · Katefan0^(scribble) 22:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the perceived help in clearing up vandalism; but i infact made the changes while not logged in. lol! It's socket puppets i ahve issues with (see User:Steve espinola) thanks any way. :-) — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 22:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Concerted and vociferous personal attacks :-//

Hi! xMule and aMule have been at odds since the aMule project was started on the day in 2003 when my internet access was blocked by the MPAA due to my development of xMule. I have largely moved on with my life and the war has largely ebbed since January of this year. Today I noticed on Talk:xMule a very vitriolic attack of my character among other disturbing things.

First, a person emailed me about 2 weeks ago asking for xMule screenshots and wondering why xMule appeared dead. Now, this letter (posted by Kry of aMule (it's leader)) has been posted on wikipedia as a personal attack on my character. How Kry got the email is beyond me, why he felt it appropriate to post on wiki as an attack is typical if yet egregious (it's worse than the main page says it is).

I don't know what I did to deserve being called "a demented freak" in the eyes of that guy but I find it very unpleasant and stopped reading from that point on, so it's likely it just degrades from there. I seek to have him and Kry banned for personal attacks on me (Kry personally attacked me on wiki before just when I was an anoynmous user).

I really want that talk page comment stricken from wikipedia too because of the libel it employs. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 21:10, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure all of this out, so please be patient with me. I'm having trouble figuring out what letter is being referenced where. Can you give me a quote from it or a "diff" of the edit that added it? Also, If you are a real-life person involved in this matter, and if people criticize your involvement, then that does not violate our Wikipedia:no personal attacks policy. The policy refers to editors, not RL people. So, if a person's RL name is John Smith and his username is Jsmith, I'd be free to cricitize (in a properly NPOV manner) John Smith, but must not attack Jsmith. Does that distinction make sense? I'll try to help but I need more help myself understanding the issues. Thanks, -Willmcw 21:22, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

In other words, it is legal for me to libel any one in wikipedia so long as I do not solely libel the username they use specifically in wikipedia in a context that is also specific to wikipedia. In other words, if I were so inclined, I could call out the aMule authors' various improprieties on the aMule talk page and be 100% OK as long as I did not specifically attack Kry's or Xaignar's wiki posts? Nah...scope does not matter in libel lawsuits, only the amount any particular libelous statement can be attached to the victim's identity, which in this case is 100% the case here. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 21:59, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

No, it's never proper to libel anyone on Wikipedia. Attacks on editors are covered by WP:NPA, and attacks on RL persons are covered by WP:NPOV. Can you point me to the attacks that you are referring to? Thanks, -Willmcw 22:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Uh... I wasn't the one posting the letter, HopeSeekr. It's VERY CLEAR that I wasn't actually, just by checking the history of xMule main page. As a matter of fact, I did remove it from main page, as AlistairMcMillan did before me, and added it to xMule:Talk to discuss why it was removed. So, had you done some basic research instead of sneaking on your user talk page begging for banning me, you would find out I just helped you. Focus your paranoia on the guy that crossed mails with you and posted it there, not with me. Kry 08:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Kry, can you please make sure that any inappropriate material is removed from xMule:Talk? It doesn't matter where it came from originally, emails are not the type of source that we can use to talk about either subjects or editors. Thanks, -Willmcw 08:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, why not. I think everything is clear now. You could have done yourself tho, no need to wait for me. Remember: I did *not* put the mail on wikipedia. I *moved* it and kept it's content to explain why it was removed from main page, as the original poster reverted Alistair's revert. Kry 22:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I still can't figure out what this is all about, or even where the email starts and stops. Thanks for your help. It shows good faith. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:47, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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"empathetically" or "emphatically"? [2] :) Keep rockin'. All my best, -Sojambi Pinola 18:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Removal

Look, I have no problem removing that. I've done it, only because you seem to want to fix this. Tell your buddies to stop vandalizing my talk page. Piniola keeps reverting my archive back to the page. I archive because it tells me I'm using too much space.Jonah Ayers

benefit of the doubt

you moved something that was archived. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Fix it, and you stay off the vandal list, and we're cool. Otherwise, that puts you back on.Jonah Ayers 01:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You really expect me to sift through THOUSANDS of my commits to find a single place where I simply archived one of your edits? :O dude...more info is needed. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 02:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You know, you know exactly what oyu wrote ande when you wrote it, but I find it fn to see you move around here. You are very humorous to prod and poke. Oh man it's been fun. I couldn't care less about these edits, but when you get involved its just too easy to keep it up.Jonah Ayers 04:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

No I put you back on, you moved something of mine that was in my archive on MY talk page, out of the archive and back onto the page. Celarly in violation of procedure. You've been listed again. Hope that makes you happy.Jonah Ayers

I'm totally confused... this is the first time I've logged on to wikipedia in several weeks :O — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 16:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Houston Astros

How 'bout it? Last night was exciting. · Katefan0^(scribble) 19:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome tag

Hi HopeSeekr, I moved your welcome tag for User:Ashraf shaddad to the talk page. No big deal, but that way it'll show up as a new message. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 19:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks very much! In my haste I forgot to hit the "discussion" page :D — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 18:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Causality

Causality is over-rated. That said, is your question in connection to anything? -Will Beback 22:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cleanup/December

I finally cleared out the 2004 entries. Thanks for your note reminding me about that. Alas, December 2005 is already ready for purging, among many other months. -- Beland 01:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Still the conflict?!

Hi, HopeSeekr. You write:

HAHA!

After more than a year, Biff Rose is still the site of heavy vandalism!! Is Steve_espinola — aka Bob — still the main character?

— HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 21:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Please. My poor heart! (Melodramatic buckling of knees.) Since that username is actually my birthname, and designed to confuse, we prefer to call him by his "primary" personality, Jonah_Ayers. --Sojambi Pinola 23:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Growing

Remember that Wikipedia wants to evolve in a certain direction...in particular, Wikipedia wants to converge, to tend to a paper encyclopedia. The more partisan debates, as they call such things, the more Wikipedia looks like the usual geek-fight on the Internet, and the less likely the detached are to trust the contents. --VKokielov 04:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The yin yang

Don't give me too much credit. I usually revert undescribed deletions by anons, but in this case I did so with reluctance since the material is unsourced and poorly connected. If you're aware of any special problems with Child abuse (too yangy?) then I'd be happy to help you fix it up. Otherwise I'm just trying to keep it from getting worse. Cheers, -Will Beback 05:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

For more information, send me an email [3]. -Will Beback 08:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Steve/Bob/Ayers, run run run

Jonah Ayers, when you see this message you should probably issue a letter of forgiveness and email it to the various parties you have harassed or libeled. Or you can respond here. Thanks. — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 16:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

"welcome to wiki!"

Hi!. I noticed your personal welcome on a user's talk page. Over at the various help desks we often have to explain to people that this site is not called Wiki; that Wiki is a type of software. I thought you might want to know, and maybe change the title to Welcome to Wikipedia! or something similar.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)