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I removed the bits we obviously can't have known (i.e. stuff about "symtoms reported by surivivors" and what happens if they're "well fed"). Yar Kramer 05:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Food chain
How do we know they're low on the food chain? Do we see anything eating them (like we see headcrabs getting eaten by bullsquids in 1 and Vortigaunts in 2)? --Yar Kramer 15:49, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
- I just played the game again and I cannot recall any point in which they are attacked by fellow aliens. bob rulz 00:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mouth
I just played the Hi-Def Pack... and on close inspection I can see a circuler mouth located directly underneth the eye. You have to kill one of them to get a good look at it though.
This is my first post, so I'm sorry if I messed something up.
[edit] Are now believed to be Hunter synths?
Does this really deserve to be mentioned here? This seems like totally wild speculation to the nth degree to me.
The only slightest similarities between Houndeyes and Hunters that I can see are that they both have three legs and eyes on the front of their bodies. However, that's it. The same could be said about Houndeyes and Striders, and I don't think anyone was comparing those two when HL2 was originally released. Considering that Hunters have almost precisely the same style of legs as Striders, and that Hunters and Striders move in very similar manners, and the fact that Hunters and Striders are seen together in the Episodes 2 preview video, and since Houndeyes were originally planned to be in HL2 looking much like their HL1-counterparts, I think we can safely assume that Hunters are an offshoot from Striders, not Houndeyes. I would like to remove this section from here, as such. MarphyBlack 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- They are certainly connected (their entity name is
npc_ministriderfor a start), but the similarities to Houndeyes, which include body shape this time around, are still notable. What's more, if you open the model in HLMV there is an animation for a sonic attack. --Tom Edwards 07:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)- I just checked at the ministrider model and the "shootsonic" animation looks like it's the ministrider simply jumping back slightly from the kickback of whatever weapon its firing (Since we know Hunters have a minigun similar to Striders, this could be a weaker version of the cannon weapon on a much smaller scale). However, this bears no resemblance to how Houndeyes perform their shockwave attack. When a Houndeye attacks, it shudders violently, lowering itself to the ground slightly and swaying right to left, charging up its attack before finally releasing the shockwave. Since the Hunter has a mounted gun on its body, I don't see the possibility of it having a similar attack. Also, the Hunter lacks any behavioral similarities to the Houndeye, as it acts very insect-like and moves like a gorilla. The Houndeye behaves like a dog, from the way it runs, scratches, shakes it head, sleeps, etc. Also, I really don't see any similarity in their body shape, as the Houndeye is shaped something like a triangle with its limbs blending into its body, whereas the Hunter is almost segmented, with all three legs jutting out of an insect/thorax-like sphere-shaped center. I don't mean to single you out personally, but I don't think the burden of proof should be on my shoulders. It just seems like there's a totally overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to the opposite of this theory (I mean, if the Combine could force Synth evolution on a species, why would they not do this with Headcrabs too? Bullet-proof, shelled headcrabs armed with mini-miniguns would seem far more useful than a headcrab that moves slightly faster than normal). The comparison makes just about as much sense as saying that antlions must have come from snarks because they both have four legs and both can jump really high and both bleed yellow and tend to explode upon death, or gunships must evolved from gargantuas because both are bullet proof and both are really big. There's just no logic behind this sort of thinking. I'm not against stating popular theories, but there's a difference between justified and well-reasoned ideas, and simply believing wrong information. I honestly see nothing to relate Houndeyes to Hunters, since if that were true, Houndeyes should have just as much in common with Striders since it can be assumed that Hunters are directly related with Striders in some manner. MarphyBlack 08:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- I can see where you are coming from with this now. I still feel that the similarities are, if not exact and explicit, noticably present, but as you've made me realise with the Antlion/Snark comparison this could be a decision by Valve, influenced by the Houndeye design, rather than the Combine. At this point my vote is for less prominence, but not removal.
- BTW, the answer to your headcrab question is manufacturing costs. ;-) --Tom Edwards 09:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- I would agree with less prominence. The sentence written as it is is fine, but I don't think it really requires its own "Evolution" header. Also, I don't think the Hunter picture is really relevant to this particular article, since the word is already Wiki-linked to the Hunter listing on another article where the reader can find a picture of it there (Where, incidentally, the Houndeye/Hunter theory is also stated). MarphyBlack 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- I just checked at the ministrider model and the "shootsonic" animation looks like it's the ministrider simply jumping back slightly from the kickback of whatever weapon its firing (Since we know Hunters have a minigun similar to Striders, this could be a weaker version of the cannon weapon on a much smaller scale). However, this bears no resemblance to how Houndeyes perform their shockwave attack. When a Houndeye attacks, it shudders violently, lowering itself to the ground slightly and swaying right to left, charging up its attack before finally releasing the shockwave. Since the Hunter has a mounted gun on its body, I don't see the possibility of it having a similar attack. Also, the Hunter lacks any behavioral similarities to the Houndeye, as it acts very insect-like and moves like a gorilla. The Houndeye behaves like a dog, from the way it runs, scratches, shakes it head, sleeps, etc. Also, I really don't see any similarity in their body shape, as the Houndeye is shaped something like a triangle with its limbs blending into its body, whereas the Hunter is almost segmented, with all three legs jutting out of an insect/thorax-like sphere-shaped center. I don't mean to single you out personally, but I don't think the burden of proof should be on my shoulders. It just seems like there's a totally overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to the opposite of this theory (I mean, if the Combine could force Synth evolution on a species, why would they not do this with Headcrabs too? Bullet-proof, shelled headcrabs armed with mini-miniguns would seem far more useful than a headcrab that moves slightly faster than normal). The comparison makes just about as much sense as saying that antlions must have come from snarks because they both have four legs and both can jump really high and both bleed yellow and tend to explode upon death, or gunships must evolved from gargantuas because both are bullet proof and both are really big. There's just no logic behind this sort of thinking. I'm not against stating popular theories, but there's a difference between justified and well-reasoned ideas, and simply believing wrong information. I honestly see nothing to relate Houndeyes to Hunters, since if that were true, Houndeyes should have just as much in common with Striders since it can be assumed that Hunters are directly related with Striders in some manner. MarphyBlack 08:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Houndeyes are not from Xen!
It is stated that Xen is "a borderworld...with no fauna" and that houndeyes, along with all the other animals and plants there, were forced from their native environment to the borderworld. I think it'll be fair to remove it. Am I wrong?
- You are entirely correct. Go ahead and delete whatever you need to. :-) --Tom Edwards 19:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
