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Contents 1 Raye Makhfi 2 WP Films talk 3 Query about Infoboxes 4 Category ordering 5 Film-editor-stub category 6 Film/novel cats 7 Talk:Muhammad/Mediation#Suggestion_.28untainted.29 8 Poll on every little issue 9 Orphaned fair use image (Image:MusicLovers.jpg) 10 CfD 11 Infoboxes 12 Sortkey 13 RE:USMC Film list 14 Kiarostami: FAC 15 WikiKnome diligence award for Hoverfish 16 Silent films 17 Alphabetizing Articles 18 WikiProject Films February Newsletter 19 Lists and alternatives 20 Text for the WPFilms award 21 missing films to check 22 list of country films and other 23 The organizing of film information 24 CFD notices 25 Russian Empire films 26 Cinema templates 27 trasparent film icon to commons 28 Whatchadoin 29 Images 30 Film template 31 Screenwriter/editor stubs 32 Film flag icons 33 Wikiproject Actors and Directors 34 American cinema template 35 archiving Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films 36 Linking all names in infoboxes 37 Silent films 38 infobox film 39 CinemaofAustralia template 40 Template deletion 41 Get Crazy 42 American cinema tag 43 Probing alternative: reply 44 Sortable 45 German films 46 William Monahan article at FAC 47 Ideas for collating film discussion... 48 Interesting 49 Film project talk 50 Removing release column 51 WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers 52 le Roi et l'oiseau 53 list of films 54 French films 55 List of Thai films 56 au film list disambiguation 57 List Department 58 Lists and such 59 Notebook 60 List of international film festivals 61 Meep 62 German films 63 My Page 64 Increasing traffic on the list of films 65 film list tests 66 hola 67 Film lists and inclusion 68 about the plots of films 69 March WP:FILMS Newsletter 70 Re references/footnotes 71 Other Wiki projects 72 Random Smiley Award 73 Country Film lists 74 Greek-Egyptian co-productions

[edit] Raye Makhfi

Hi! Thanks for expanding this horrible stub I created. Its a great film, and if you haven't already, you should see it :) - Francis Tyers · 08:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your helps on Raye makhfi. Take care. Sangak 19:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Films talk

No problem! Next time, just click on the dates in the history section to see when exactly something you didn't want was put, then fix it. --Crzycheetah 09:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Query about Infoboxes

Hi Hoverfish, Do you know where I would start if I wanted to suggest adding IMDB links to actor infoboxes? It seems like it would be a lot of help. I don't know how to do it myself. Cott12 Talk 13:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category ordering

Is there a guideline about how cats should be ordered? I thought it was alphabetical. Feel free to respond here, if you want. — WiseKwai 01:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate your work, too. — WiseKwai 09:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film-editor-stub category

User:Luigi Bob has recently been creating articles on some notable film editors and has brought it to my attention that a stub category doesn't exist for film editors. As film editors are a part of film and help to rid of red links in films please lend your support or opposition at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. There are hundreds not stub categoirzed as editors and there are many many missing from wikipedia and I beleive they are an important part of the film making process. Thanks Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. What do you mean? Template:Film-producer-stub Template:Cinematographer-stub already exist. I think US screenwriter does as well. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Film-director-stub definately exists!! . Template:US-screen-writer-stub exists too! but strangely not Template:Screen-writer-stub also? There are thousands of screenwriters across the world also although of course the US dominates. I figure the main components of film biographies are actor, director, producer, screenwriter, cinematographer and editor and maybe score-composer . I know it falls under the biography project but they are very important parts of film articles! I of course wanted to propose it first to respect other peoples views on this!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers mate. Wow I have to say I'm really noticing your work all over!!! It seems nearly every film and even talk page I visit I see your work on info boxes and tagging. Super wikiknome!! Congrats and keep up the good work!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film/novel cats

Hi there Fish! My opinion is that the article should not have a book category if it's only about the film. Only the Category:Films based on books sub-cat should be used if a book is the source (and one hopes the book has its own article in that case). If the article does describe both the book and film, it seems logical to either split it, or if it's not big enough, go ahead and use both film and book cats. HTH, Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Muhammad/Mediation#Suggestion_.28untainted.29

You voiced your opinion in the original straw poll which has caused some confusion. Please do the same in a new version, Talk:Muhammad/Mediation#Suggestion_.28untainted.29, which should be clear and allow us to better assess consensus. gren グレン 22:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poll on every little issue

Please sign if any of these things applies to your understanding of this issue. Please put you name under all of the options you think would be acceptable. You can sign all or none of these, I'm hoping this will give us a more-fine grained understanding of the issue. [1] futurebird 23:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:MusicLovers.jpg)

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[edit] CfD

Thanks for pointing it out to me, I would have never known. I don't think the category should be kept, it doesn't seem to link the lists well. Plus, that's what lists of films is for. For the lists, I'm half and half on which ones should be deleted and which ones should be kept. Should be deleted:

• List of films involving amputees - convert to cat
• List of films in which an attempt is made to guess a password
• List of films featuring automobile racing - should be converted into cats based on type of car race
• List of films featuring blind characters - what a mess!
• List of films involving food - too broad
• List of films featuring independent body parts
• List of films which end in protagonist's death
• List of films with TV shows and other films in them
• List of films with a twist ending

Should be kept:

• List of athletes in film
• List of biker films
• List of computer-related films - needs cleanup
• List of films with disabled protagonists - needs cleanup
• List of films that most frequently use the word "f**k" (I censor) - good references, interesting, wonder if it could ever reach FA?
• List of films featuring May-December romances
• List of films featuring mental illness
• List of films featuring Mini cars
• Skyscrapers in film
• The Statue of Liberty in popular culture - don't even see why this was put up for deletion
• List of films featuring trains

Split into more defined lists:

• List of films by gory death scene
• List of films by crash scene

Sorry for clogging up your page, but what do you think of the lists? I'm going off to vote in favor of the ones listed here, I'm sure the ones that will be deleted will have enough non-film users against them. --Nehrams2020 05:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Yes, I abhor the use of infoboxes - they are the equivalent of CliffsNotes [2] for those who are too lazy to read a book. However, you will note I did not remove the one you added to my article about Track the Man Down, as I accept them as an unfortunate evil, although I never will include them in an article I create.

However, if an infobox is going to contain links to other sites, then why include them in an "External links" section as well? What purpose is served by having these redundancies?

I don't understand your statement "the alphabetical sorting of categories happens automacally [sic] as the title reads. The only use for the sortkey in categories is when the title starts with an article (English or other)." Could you please clarify what you're trying to say?

Thanks for your feedback. SFTVLGUY2 15:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed explanation re: sorting! SFTVLGUY2 16:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sortkey

Thanks for explaining the Sortkey. I did not understand it. I didn't realize in La Cage that the foreign word La would be set after the comma like "The" or "A". I'll try to remember! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 23:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:USMC Film list

You have commented on the AFD discussion for List of films featuring United States Marines, the discussion can be viewed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films featuring United States Marines.

Following support for my suggestion, I have done a userspace rewrite of the article at User:Saberwyn/Films featuring the United States Marine Corps, with the rewritten article in the top half and the current article with annotations as to their inclusion or non-inclusion in the rewritten list.

I would like to request that you review the rewritten article, and if you think it is appropriate, amend your stance at the AFD discussion. -- saberwyn 12:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• That's cool. Feel welcome to mess with it. -- saberwyn 20:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kiarostami: FAC

Hi, I would like to invite all those who reviewed "Abbas Kiarostami" during last two months to comment on the article at this "final" stage. The article is now featured article candidate. In case you have any comment, please let me know on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Abbas Kiarostami page. Thanks.Sangak 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool - hey isn't the film news paper out some time? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to thankyou for you support. We have just about rid of all the red links from Abbas's article and the next task in between my Argentine film work will be to develop his major Iranian films such as Taste of Cherry to a good article status. The last red link I just rid of on Abbas's page was Richard Pena - who incidentally is himself interested in Argentine film!! Any idea what category he should go in? Such as Film fiestival organizers or something. Unfortunately I think the main bio picture of Pena will have to go as it has been tagged despite the rationale given . Ah well.

Idon't know if you have noticed but check out the contributions of User:LuigiBob -my collaborator on the cinema of Argentina . Quality or what?! His new film and actor entries are terrific. I don't know whether he is a film project member or not -you may want to welcome him perhaps? All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiKnome diligence award for Hoverfish

I feel you deserve it. Hey looks like I did a good job on Abbas Kiarostami!! It is now a featured article candidate! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes unfortunately many of those images of the silent actors have those unsightly borders on. I had almost forgotten I had ever done work on the silent films and actors. William Garwood, Louise Lester and Charlotte Burton I think still have similar borders but I don't know how do do it. I'll try to have a go from your suggestions. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I had a go but I am unable to do it on my PC. Isn't there a category for films based on a novel? I can't seem to locate it. I just added a missing film from the 1930s missing list: The Bad Sister which is novel based. There are also a number of other films started on the 1930s missing page- when I have time I aim to add those Roy Rogers films and complete the filmography of John Wayne- . Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I know I was sure I had seen a film novel cat. too - I know there is one for plays but every time I try to word it in the category in different ways it stays red linked. Thanks. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

ALso have you noticed some of the changes to the world cinema template? Does west asia sound right? I won't quabble with it but I thought the "Middle-east" fitted in with the standard article Middle eastern cinema? I am also aazed about the Cinema of Somalia !! -they were one of the last countries I was expecting an article on. I didn't even know they had ever produced a film! Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I just noticed that Her PegShip was wondering about the film/book category too -it does seem too many sub divisions. Wouldn't it be easier to have more of a main category Films based on a novel? Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree totally. I'm sure if it is proposed then it will be okay. It is better to keep categories as simple as possible judging from past discussions. Also people starting films are more likely to add the Category:Films based on a novel rather than all those mystery etc cats. Plus that category page is a very good idea for counciling ideas. P.S I am experimenting with a new signature at the moment!! Dr. Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I have just been googling for info on Argentine films. I have found a site in spanish for a handful of the 1930s films I am currently working on with the lists but it doesn't cover any of the other decades. - but I know somehwere there should be a site I can develop each stub into full articles-I prefer to write detailed articles but they need at least to be established on wikipedia even if stubbed. I have also found a site http://www.mchanan.dial.pipex.com/latin%20american%20cinema%201.pdf for Latin American cinema and aim to add the info from the link into that stub article later. But the template on that page has made the world cinema box go off line. How did you say to correct this again? Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for helping earlier. Sorry to bother you again but I think I may have found a solution to the red links and stubs on the Argentine films. I have been working on List of Argentine films:1939 today. I have stubbed most of the films and soon enough I will go back and hopefully find info to write them into articles. However do you think it respectable enough and better if for the films which I know are notable but don't yet have much info on them to redirect to the lists where I can fill as much info on the directors, actors and cast details as possible. A stub should look like Margarita, Armando y su padre minuimum I think but for the films which don't have info on the plot etc and full cast details I think I should redirect to the lists which often provide the equivalent info to lots of the stubs.

This also helps to set up the films in the index of wikipedia and also regulates the small stubs. This way as I find info I can create the article equivalent and hopefully create better articles. I have found that I can categorize the redirect pages as Argentine films or whatever. So if you were looking through the Argentine film index such a film would be there and redirect temporarily to the brief info in the list. This would probaly be only needed for earlier films as later films have much information. Do you have any objection to this? -this way it serves a number of functions until better articles can be written? Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Well any of the smaller stubs have an info box now anyway. As I said any article set up now will always have an info box anyway however small so you needn't be concerned with that - so even if I started 20 small stubs they would definately have 20 info boxes!! I thought it might be better instead of creating smaller stubs to redirect to the lists which show the same info to start with - It seems easier to set out a basis first using the lists and then write the articles afterwards. -this also means that the lists will become fuller and complete more quickly. How about I continue and you'll see what I mean -if you see any problems let me know . Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

What I'll do I think is start as many of the films as I can which have a bit of info and/or an image like Buenas noches, Buenos Aires with the info boxes -setting up the pages and redirect others which have little info to the lists until they can be written out. Either way we are now hitting the 400 film mark for Argentine films -not bad since that category was so tiny at Christmas!! -70 or these are not stubs they have been written many of them into B-class articles. Buenas noches, Buenos Aires now links together many started actors such as Hugo del Carril, Tito Lusiardo, Roberto Escalada etc -so as long as everything is connecting increasingly it can only get better. Ps I added some images to the CInema of Hong Kong page . See ya!. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silent films

OK thanks I'll stick to 200px then. Adapting those images would be great help. Unfortunately I created tons of stubs on the silent films of the 1910s when cleaning out Wiliam Garwoods, Charlotte Burtons and Harry von Meter's filmogrpahies back in about September or October before I had ever joined films or knew about the info boxes!! However they fill in important gaps -silent films had very little coverage and the more you study that period the more interested you get!. I know I also created many directors and actors such as Albert MacQuarrie, George Field, J. Warren Kerrigan, Eugenie Forde, Lamar Johnstone etc -I don't know if you want to alter the pics for them? A good way to do it might be to go through the fimographies of those I mentioned in the third line and see the actors stemming from those films. I used the images of the actors liberally in the films as they are public domin and could'nt find any screenshots - they are very rare almost extinct films -there age mkes them even more interesting. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I wasn't aware I was well known before that!!! I think as I was adding the geo articles I realised how vast the missing films were at that time which prompted me to try to help out. As a witness over the last five or six months I have seen an amazing progress in film since early October -amazing from everyone involved- the coverage and improvement has been phenonomal (I can never spell that word) from all countries of the world and time periods It brings a smile to my face when I see some great work by many people in film often many thousands of miles who are building this into something so great even like in Korea and China. AMazing. Anyway I have got as far as Woman's Honor for Charlotte Burton -half through 1913. You may want to go through her filmography first-its a good way to do it. I'll leave you now -I've bothered you enough today! Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know of it well I couldn't remember the company - I remember reading about it in ALlen Dwan article or something that the company moved to southern Ireland and back!! Crazy! Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been categorizing the American silent films as both American films and American silent film. Do you think both are needed? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

OK thats fine. I am surprised that the Category:American silent films wasn't deleted when the others were -I figured it was because it shows the silent films from the sound films. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetizing Articles

Hi. I don't know of any WP rule regarding foreign articles, but in most style guides, foreign articles are not treated like articles for purposes of alphabetizing. But if the film project folks agree, that's fine with me! -- Ssilvers 15:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Films February Newsletter

The February 2007 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Cbrown1023 talk 23:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists and alternatives

You thanked me for some (unsuccessful) help at AfD: I think the problem with the lists at AfD was that the lists were some of them over-broad, but all of them hard to define. A great many films include something about (for example) childhood, if only as a flashback, and it is somewhat subjective which ones are featuring it. The term "featuring" was perhaps a little too ambiguous--it could mean either the main point of the film or a subsidiary theme. I think there would be less trouble with a wording like "primarily about" if that is what is meant. Probably there will continue to be problems if a definition includes ones with a subsidiary theme.

To illlustrate: List of films about mathematicians and the Category:Mathematical films, it seems to my inexpert eye--and without having seen all the films--that the Category is the more selective, while the List includes films where the main character is a mathematician, but this is not crucial to the story. (e.g. To Sir with Love). I just looked at one other category, Films featuring museums, and it seemed mostly right--though of course there's always an exception or two: The "museum" in The Fly is first of all not a museum, and second the object the name refers to is not important to the story.

Naturally, the results for ones kept at AfD do not necessarily reflect any particular logic. Best of luck with the categories. I don't always check CsD, so let me know if there are problems.DGG 05:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text for the WPFilms award

I've decided to give a certain member this award for his valuable contributions to film articles over the past few months, only to find out that he isn't a member of WikiProject Films. It seems that almost all of the other WikiProject Awards say that they can be given to any wikipedian who contributes to the area of the wikiproject, not only to members. Is there a particular reason that the WPFilms award is limited to members (ie. was there a discussion somewhere?), or can I change the text over here? Esn 07:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes!!! Mission accomplished- Kiarostami is now a featured article!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] missing films to check

Thanks for the note, as you might have noticed I've been pretty quiet with the missing films lists for a fair while now. My problem with lists and compiling all this information, even in a working area is that I find it hard to start deleting things, I'm an information hoarder. So once articles exist I can't bare to get rid of them so I move them to a check category. I guess I just have to let it go and remove the films. The main thing is to just check individually for disambiguation, that the film is listed on the director's filmography and other key people, as well as listings on the main film lists (eg. Australian films, list of horror films or what have you). Other than that, I guess there's not really much else that needs checking. Maybe there could be a list somewhere to store newly created film articles from the missing articles lists because people can check through those titles, knowing they are pretty new articles and could do with some work. Peter 01:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] list of country films and other

Thanks for the wikiproject films award, not that I have any idea what I'm supposed to do with it or what it means :) I did see the work on the Canadian film list a while back when it was first being penned up and I'm a little on the fence with it... It's great to have more information about key actors, director, release date etc, but I'm not sure about the messy table layout and column widths etc, I feel it needs some work but I'm not sure how yet I'll think about it. I am very busy at the moment so can't really make further contribution for a fair while but I hope to get back into it when I'm finally free. I feel the list of missing articles, particularly the Australian list I've been working on could act as a basis for the construction of the list of Australian films article, they could both reflect each other to make crossing over easier. Again I just don't know about the tables and the breakup for each year and decade into separate articles, it seems a little overdone, particularly with earlier decades as you mention. And is there some statement on each of the country pages mentioning what makes a Canadian film Canadian for example? eg. I know an Australian director who directed an Irish film, does it make it Australian because of the origin of the director or some of the films actors? Is it the location, the director, the key actors, the premiere country - I'm not sure and I think this should be pointed out to keep the list clear of doubling up so much. Peter 13:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The organizing of film information

Hi Hoverfish,

Thank you for writing.

I think that films in chronological order, and in alphabetical order, are both very useful types of lists for films, and both are worthy of equal representation.

The alphabetical listing is good for people who want to be able to access the film titles (as a kind of index), while the chronological listing is good to show which films were made in which year.

All the best. Figaro 23:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The chronological listing of the films actually still remains, on the pages for the films, and will remain so — the alphabetical listing is to try to make the films easier to find in the listing.

I have been putting the film titles into an alphabetical listing, keeping them within the chronological ordering of years as the films are now listed, in each of the articles. There were a couple of film titles (on separate articles) which were slightly out of order, which I transferred to their correct positions within the pages.

For the film titles beginning with the word "The", or beginning with the single-letter "A", the alphabetical ordering has been taken from the second word of the title (as is customary for such titles). All the best. Figaro 07:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have now also moved some of the film titles into 'alphabetical order' on the pre 1920 page — on those sections which still remain to be put into the chronological order.

Would you like me to set up an independant alphabetical-order pages for the films, which can be used in conjunction with the chronological-order pages for the films, so that both types of listing is available? The alphabetical page would have links through to the relevant chronological film pages. As I commented previously, film titles beginning with the single letter "A", and films beginning with "The", would be listed under the second word in the title (i.e. the film, "The Man from Snowy River", would be listed under "M" for Man, and the film, "The Dish", would be listed under "D" for Dish, etc. etc). Figaro 16:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for writing. I will leave the situation as it is at the moment (in chronological order). I will also see if I can add some more information sometime. All the best. Figaro 11:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for writing.

Whew! I did not realise that I had made so many edits — I guess they have been quietly adding up (or multiplying!) over the years :) Nor did I know that there was a page keeping track of them. A huge number of the edits, though, were where I have been fixing (correcting) links — as well as where I have been reverting vandalism to some of the articles.

I think that it might best if I left the organizing of the film listing and info to you (and also to Peter), because you are doing a very good job with regard to the film articles. All the best. Figaro 13:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that your idea for shorter segments for the Australian films is great — and that the length that you have chosen for the shorter segments is excellent. Figaro 13:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CFD notices

I'm not sure I'll be that much help. I usually only read CFD to close discussions. That said, I'll certainly leave a note (at the announcements bit of WP:FILMS?) if I see anything at all relevant. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Empire films

How many film articles would I have to translate in order for there to be "enough" films for a category? Translating isn't a problem, nor is finding enough films - I'd just like some rough idea... Esn 23:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I was speaking with User:ESN yesterday and he tells me that [[:Category:Russian empire films has been deleted. From what I understand shouldn't Russian films politically be divided up into 3 categories

• Pre 1917 Russian Empire film
• 1917-1990 Soviet films
• 1990-present in (Russia) Russian films?

I do prefer simply categories but isn't this politically correct? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cinema templates

Just to let you know that I finally got around to setting up some of the main film producer cinema templates and already many users have begun using them to go at the foot of pages for coordination. See the Cinema of.. templates in Category:WikiProject Films templates. If you have any suggestion sabout how to improve them (I am considering adding the tiny edit toolbar in the corner as with the world template for one) please let me know. A number of users have said they are a great idea, incl. members of WikiProject Film. All of the templates have the same naming e.g just CinemaofHongKong , CinemaofChina, CinemaofDenmark with a {{ }} around it. THis way it'll be easier to add to the footer of pages e.g

Cinema of Italy
Actors • Directors • Films A-Z • Film chronology • Cinematographers • Editors • Producers • Score composers • Screenwriters •

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hoverfish. They are blanked for a reason -I couldn't find the icons in the commons I looked! I may have to wait for her Pegship to return -we need one for Germany in particular ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 09:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I will ensure that all the templates are standardized. Your kidding you didn't know who my user name is? The "volcano" and the cat and the diamonds? You must have thought me weird!!! See article Ernst Stavro Blofeld !! It is a send up of Mr Blofeld from Bond in Doctor Evil style! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 09:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The ridiculous idea of world domination in the Cold War ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 09:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It is based on You Only Live Twice (film) based in a volcano in Japan and an attempt to start World War III - the ultimate stereotype of this genre - my father doesn't care too much about the Bond films either -they are a bit silly but good fun. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 09:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK I think its time for a little challenge. I am going to absolutely devour The Maltese Falcon (1941 film) and make it into the great article it deserves. In between my Argentine cinema I am going to write this into a super article! There is all the info there I need to achive this ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I am engrossed in the world of The Maltese Falcon (1941 film) at present check out the progess !!!! I aim to make this pretty good but I need to do the whole copy editing thing afterwards. I am trying to rewrite it and aviod direct copywright ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree each film flag icon should be identical and consistent. When her Pegship returns I'll kindly present her with a "to-do" list of icon creating for the rrspective cinemas -this includes the Italy icon to a white rather than black background. -standardized. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] trasparent film icon to commons

excuse but I do not know the English language well therefore I entrust to a translator automatic rifle. My intensity was that one to make the background transparent but with paint not there are successful, I do not have an editor png but by now the upload it was made, I have hoped then that someone rendered it transparent.

You have my same problem with GIMP :)... I wanted to say thanks to you for the job... and for the translation. If it serves an aid (help), you know to you where to find to me ;)--Wim b ^Talk you also answer to me here

Hi Hovefish. If Wisekwai could create those missing film icons Germany. Iran, etc that would be great - I beleeive there is already a category in the commons for film icons. Also what would you like me to add to the film talk discussion? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 10:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The category is here:

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Film_icons

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 10:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whatchadoin

Hi Mr. Hoverfish. Thanks for contacting me, it's very much appreciated! I apologize for not getting back to you, I meant to but time slipped away. As to your question, please give me a until Monday for a complete responce re red links (yuk!). I'll also start the dialogue about caps in Spanish films ASAP. I realize you are a friend of my bud Blofeld and are also a good contact to have insofar films on Wiki is concerned. Have a great week-end. And expect to hear from me on Monday, at the latest. Best regards, Luigibob 00:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I think that's funny that you're using GIMP 2 (sounds like Pulp Fiction!), but I haven't done too many reuploading of images. I guess what you can do is go to the image and there's a link you can click that says "Upload a new version of this file". Then, once you reupload it in its place, you can ask Cbrown1023 to delete the original file if you don't think that it will ever be reverted to the original file again. If you think it might ever be switched back, then just leave the original file. Let me know if that makes sense. Which Nintendo are you playing? --Nehrams2020 21:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I was about to say, if you would have had a Wii, I would have been really jealous. I haven't done that many infoboxes in a while, I've mostly just been continuing to assess articles, GA reviews, and fulfilling more image requests. I found this new script that lets you assess articles from the article page, rather than the talk page, so it cuts down the assessing time in half (you can see it at User talk:Outriggr/metadatatest.js). --Nehrams2020 21:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I still haven't used commons yet, so I guess you would just have to update a new image under a new name. I also prefer only to deal with stubs-starts, but I guess with more practice I can be able to rate B classes. --Nehrams2020 21:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film template

I think with the new script that I added that I described above, it tells me what each article is rated on the actual article page itself, plus if its a GA candidate, importance, etc. An example could be seen at this image: Image:Outriggr-script-demo.PNG. This is helping me to determine if an article is really a start class or if a stub needs to be upgraded. My only problem with it is that I did not have this months ago when we were assessing all of the thousands of unassessed articles. Perhaps you should consider adding the script and see if you like it or not. --Nehrams2020 00:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have created most of the templates now but one country was particularly tricky-India. It may still need moderation -I tried to condense it as much as possible - The films from each industry direct to the categories where I have fixed them so the List of films appear at the top of the categories. I think its very useful for navigation but it definately at amaximum size -India is unique from all the other cinemas. I hope you approve -its a start anyway

Cinema of India Assamese • Bengal • Bollywood  • Karnataka  • Kollywood  • Malayalam  •Tollywood
Indian films A-Z • Assamese films • Bengali films • Hindi films • Kannada films • Tamil films • Malayalam films • Telugu films • Urdu films • Indian Actors • Awards  • Directors • Choreographers • Cinematographers • Composers • Editors • Producers • Screenwriters •

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screenwriter/editor stubs

After consensus I closed the case on the long awaited stub categories and set them up Category:Screenwriter stubs and Category:Film editor stubs now exists. Sceen-writer-stub and film-editor-stub is the mode. If you could spread the word I would be grateful. I'll categorize the American-screenwriter tubs in the main cat above now ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film flag icons

Well, even when I scale images down, I notice a difference. For instance, the crescent on the flag of Turkey took on a jagged appearance as a PNG file. But by the time it hits the page at 35px, I can't really tell the difference. So I'm moving ahead. — WiseKwai 14:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah I absolutely agree with you. See my discussion with User:Prolog (who is finnish and from film) - this is why I reduced the title font size to 3. I wasn't aware the other text needed changing -definately it should be as you just said. Wise Kwais done a good job adding a category to house them in. I also plan to remove some of the red links from some of the starter templates -this is agoo dstep to ridding of red links in the info boxes of articles -I just did the Icelandic ones ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I of course have one problem with Yugoslavia and Russia. We have Cinema of Yuglosavia yet all the cinema people are divided into Serbs, Croats, Slovenes etc. Maybe I should link them all if I can condense it. ALso what about Cinema of the Soviet Union? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I know that . What I mean is there is no category Yugoslavian actors Category:Yugoslavian directors etc. Only Yugoslavian films!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Actors and Directors

I don't know whether you agree or not butI have always beleived that actors and directors and cinema characters are tied to our Film Project. Nobody can dispute the fact that they are part of cinema and films and I beleive we have at least some responsibility to upkeep them if they are directly linked from our film articles. However rather than setting up a seperate project what about Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Actors and Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Directors. THis way they are a part (or at least tied) to our film project. Each page would highlight the articles that require most attention, missing articles etc for better project coordination. WikiProject Biography is so enormoous and I see hundreds of actor and director articles in very poor shape and neglect -Biogrpahy cannot work to effectively concentrate on hundreds of thousands of articles at once!!. The cinema characters would be a part of both projects. Ther is no obligation but it would certianly help to organize it all better, However if nobody wants it as part of films then of course they can be set up independently. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes perhaps- I know eventually there will be a legion of contributors its just i really want to tie it to the film project without giving us a forced obligation to take care of an extra 50,000 articles!!!!! We have enough work to do (myself included) on films solely!! but when i have time i'll definately make the offical proposal and scouting for members -I beleive wikiproject films began this way and look how far we have come!! Even if it begins with some kind of organization about high importance actor article in attnetion or something it is a start.

[edit] American cinema template

I know it is a biggy task but any ideas for improvement? I was going to consider leaving the US out because of the sheer size but if it was adapted accordingly it might look quite good - I would prefer though the actual flag image which is a darker red

Cinema of the United States Actors • A-Z of films • Directors
Academy Awards • Animators  • Box office • Cinematographers • Critics  • Editors • Festivals • Film series  • Golden Globes • Hollywood • Movie theatres  • Producers • Production companies • Score composers • Screenwriters  • Silent films • Studios • Stunt performers • AFI 100 Years •

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Also very nice to see Aussie Pete has finally standardized the Aussie lists looking great - I thought I might have to do it myself. I see he has added a column for links -good idea I should do that in future ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S I have been in contact with Indian cinema today and they are extremely pleased with the template (which I've now altered as you suggsted). I have also asked them to intergrate the missing Indian film list as an important part of their work schedule ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

For American films it should go in the general articles only -the most important, award winning films -good articles etc and perhaps "iconic" film actors and direcotrs which have full articles. However the skinny foreign templates are intended for all indlividual articles related to their individual cinemas. From all people I have encountred so far they are happy with the templates on all related pages -as long as the tmeplates are at the very foot of the page it is fine. Indian cinema has proposed to use it in all film and acotr/direcotr articles If I get serious complaints then that is my problem but I doubt it but if it is at the footer it looks fine - it is no different thatn the many director and actor templates that keep popping up. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Also of course it depends on the size of an article. If it is a two line stub the template will look way out of place - howver if it is a developed article then the template will not look even slightly cluttered. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

For instance see Allegro non troppo. I can't really see an outroar at the template at the footer -it just looks-well fine but more importantly useful for browsing through Italian cinema (except background needs to be white). If the template looks inappropriate or out of place then it can be removed. Has someone vandalised 1930 in film? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah you mean American cinema! I would suggest that the article has to be at a start stage at the very least for America if it is decided it is to go in other articles. That US template will create complaints if it is put in stub articles definately but if the article is more developed it will look fine. But that isn't the fault of the template -it is the article!! There needn't be offical ruling but it does need a warning , a "no include" to say please do not use in stub-class-articles perhaps? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

But for instance take two George Lucas films. In 1:42:08 -template would look ridiculous but Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope at the footer would look absolutely fine. I would hope people would go by common sense but maybe a message may be needed to stop it being used in basic stubs. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] archiving Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films

The page is getting a bit long, and I'm really leery of screwing it up (I'm not sure if a standard cut & past to archive 10 will be compatible with the index - or even how to put it in the index), can you advise me on the right way to archive that talk page so it will appear on the index! Thanks much. SkierRMH 00:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Linking all names in infoboxes

Good day! Finally, getting back to you for an answer.

Generally, I'm against linking "all" names in the infoboxes. First of all, a whole slew of them can be considered "not notable" names and this is especially true of producers, possibly editors, and many actors. Now I realize the Wiki project is unending, but will we ever find information on the so many editor and producers, cinematographers, and even actors with a full article. Where will this information be found. But that's is getting ahead of the game.

I don't like the red links because it gives the appearance that something is missing from reading the article. And I don't like the aesthetics of the red links. I do not mind at all red links in stubs, but do in Start and B articles. Now, this is partly of how I work. 95% of my time on Wiki is devoted to films: I take a film to B if I can find the information, this is true of all the films I take a serious interest in, and then list them on my Userpage. I also check if any names should be linked. And if the major stars and director do not have an article I leave a red link and then afterward start an article on them. I have started many stubs on actors, editors, cinematographers and such. Every now and then, someone tags the stub as "non notable" (see earlier) and then the hassle begins.

As to wiki policy: I can't believe there is a hard and fast rule to red link every name. Some examples:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography: See #8, to wit, "Post an article request at Wikipedia:Requested articles for each broken (red) interwiki link in your article OR remove the double brackets around the broken interwiki link (these are your only two choices)." I like the remove the double backets past if warrented.

Template:Infobox Film: throughout the article this is mentioned, "In addition, link each director [etc] to his/her appropriate article if possible." If possible: I take to mean it's acceptable that if there is no internal wiki article it can be left without linking.

Now for the argument that the red link will let wikipedians know that an article needs to be build. I do not think a red link is a "motivator."

For, all these reasons, I do not use that red link at will. Wikipedians, including many editors, who have come across my pages, seem to leave the links as they are. I hope that continues.

So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Again, I appreciate you contacting me, very thoughful of you and my apologies for the long delay. Luigibob 18:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silent films

Just wondering but do you feel the need to put Category:American silent films up for deletion? Its just I've seen you can skier remove this category from the articles. If you want to thats fine by me its just I thought it initally was quite important in American films ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 19:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you think is best? It may be best I think to split Silent films maybe? I know it definately worth having the divide as the contrast between silent and sound is one of the biggest landmarks in cinema history. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 19:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I do think then that category Silent films should remain intact -after for expamle Action films and Drama films remain action films despite the number. I do beleive its best to have both Silent films and American silent films this way in the American film category you can browse through soley silent films from America. I would rather not have too much repetition in the categories but I feel this is a one-off. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Its a niggly one that. If like 90% of the Silent films were American I would'nt bother but you say only about 50% are American? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I know. Mmmmm. The thing is if lesser experienced editors are looking through films they are more likely to Categorize it Silent films. Silent films are causing problems!!! On many of them there is also tragically little info to expand them beyond stubs. I would think it best to reach a consensus -get the views of a number of people on the issue ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

OK well if you are continuing with my batch of silent stubs best leave both cats intact for now -I also don't want to get too involved with categories! WiseKwai did a great job with those icons by the way. They are looking much smarter now ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] infobox film

The instructions are the same as they were in the old Syntax Guide:

• Release date (Variable: released)

When was the film released? Or when will the film be released?

Use: if possible, the exact release date. ("May 18, 2008") Use the first public non-festival release in any country. This means any limited releases or openings before opening wide should go by the limited release date. If multi-country entries are necessary, you can put the flag icon before the release date for each country (see the 2nd Wiki).

Wiki: [[May 18]], [[2008]]

Wiki: {{Flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[May 18]], [[2008]]

--PhantomS 20:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CinemaofAustralia template

I was thinking that the CinemaofAustralia (and all other countries for that matter) should be on all lists of films for each country rather than just one. What's your thoughts on this? Peter 09:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

On those Aussie lists it might be good if eventually each year has an introductory paragraph of the top films award releases etc -this would make it more encyclopedic and also fill in that gap !! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It is because the tables are fixed. I agree e.g on Pre 1920 Australian films that all the years are aligned as it covers a range of years but as those later years are now on seperate pages there is no need to fix the table - if it was left natural it is one table so it should naturally fit the contours of the page next to the template and remain tidy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

E.g like List of Argentine films:2000. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

OK - actually the Australian lists were almost tagged before as Pete was creating them but I hope I convinced the sniffer that eventually they will be complete and look good. We do get a lot of questions !! -I just wish people would let us get on with it. I figured date order might be helpful on the lists - but alphabetical is fine until the dates are added and the film reordered. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Si si amigo. Yes Pete was right to complain about the Canadian lists. They are still all in decades and look much neater aligned but not if branched off by year as it is only a singular table. Saludos! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template deletion

Ahh!!! A two users who know nothing about films have proposed all of my work for deletion. I am willing to limit the use of the American template in the cinema article only (after all many of the key American film and actors have templates related to their work anyway) but in world film they are very useful and I have had much support. I attempted to try to discuss it and come to some agreementand compromise but he went ahead anyway and put them all up after I told him about the support. I really feel like leaving wikipedia if my time and effort is wasted like this. At a last resort I would be willing to use the templates only at the bottom of the cinema articles to save them being deleted -but this will totally undermine their purpose of article connection. Please leave your view at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_March_13 THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I really wish there was some way we could stop rash users putting things up for deletion without a discussion first. The same situation occured with the Russian film category which was wiped out by people who know little about it ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I can see now how annoying I must have been when I used to act without a discussion!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahhhh!!!! I would hope by saying Please leave your view at ... is asking respectable members to leave their own opinion and make them aware of it - everybody here is an intelligent person and clearly able to state their view regardless of myself. I see too many deletion discussions made between only two or three people who wrongfully speak for millions of users. I have stated my intentions and have given a criteria and many core members of the project beleive they serve a purpose. I wish I could be allowed to get on with my work without such a fuss -it doesn't do anybody any good!!. All the best friend ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I know - this is where flaws do appear in who makes the decisions. I lost my patience with the would-be deleter after this decision and comment "Might as well throw the rest of the Cinema of X templates in here as well (no, I haven't checked them all to see if they are used the same way as CinemaoftheUS and I really hope that I got them all" -this is clearly not the way an admin should be acting. Thanks again for your again wise words ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

THanks. I should definately refer to it as our work and people are entitled to their opinion - I would have thought it more appropraite for those two to discuss initally what they opposed with me and then discuss it at film project to reach an agreemnt rather than jumping in and going all out deletion mode. However when somebody attacks our work without little discussion, acting in this manner it is not always plain and easy to see it from such a wise perspective!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Get Crazy

Hi, and thank you for the pointers on improving the Get Crazy entry. I added some sections (Production, Reception, Soundtrack) and put some research into them, along with a bit of reorganization of other facts that fit those sections. Kevin Forsyth 15:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it a musical? Interesting question. (My first thought is to say it's not like a typical musical, where characters burst into song to express their feelings or dramatize a plot point — but whether or not that's a fair way of categorizing a musical is a whole different question.) It's more like The Blues Brothers, where musical performances are an integral part of the film. I see BB is tagged with "Category:Musical comedy films" — perhaps that's a good place for Get Crazy. On the other hand, the "Musical films" category is more broad-ranging and includes plenty of movies that are similar in use of music, such as Nashville... so I'd go with two categories, "Comedy films" and "Musical films". Kevin Forsyth 18:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] American cinema tag

Hi, glad to hear you enjoy working on the WP Films project. Regarding this template, yes I think the MFD was too early, I would have preferred some more discussion first, but it also was annoying to suddenly find this template on every film on my watchlist. I haven't decided, maybe never will :), on the other country tags, but there does need to be some guidelines on which articles to put the American one. For me, I would prefer this tag only on very few articles. Not specific film or actors articles, but more like History of American film (don't know the exact name so fast) and some few articles like that. Regarding your comment on the deletetion page, no asking users for input on the deletion is not so bad, but comments like this should not be made. A message on WP:Film would have been much better. See also Wikipedia:Canvassing. I also am not a huge fun of templates, someone said recently somewhere about stereotypes on different Wikipedia's, that the German one is for quality, the Dutch one love to fight and the English one love templates. :) Garion96 (talk) 02:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I have just been sidetracked with setting up a new Wikipedia:WikiProject Tibet which I propesed and got the green light on!

Yes, Too right about facing trouble with our film work. I agree about the lists - I was confering with Wise Kwai earlier that my main goal first with film now is to complete those lists for every country some of which are still worryingly empty and may face the AFD brigade if they are not sorted asap -Taiwan was almost up but a seasoned user helped in saving it I think. I would appreciate support from other members too in completing them even if it means just putting existing articles on wikipedia in the timelines I see it as an important task on the whole film agenda as I beleive they provde a firm foundation for the history of films. If this could be brought to the attention of the main Project Council I would be more than grateful. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

And don't worry I exagerrated my reaction to the TFD -it was more of a reaction to such interference with our work, trouble as time wasting rather than my own efforts ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S What happened to List of Swiss films? Did someone just come along and remove it? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I would hardly describe the word "nasty" as a missile. It was a response to seeing the comment "We may as well throw the whole lot up for deletion. I haven't bothered to check any of them I really hope we got them all" I would hardly see that as a justifiable comment or action either, particularly for an admin either. Anyway lets forget about it now. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Probing alternative: reply

HI there. I'm sorry but I don't see much difference. Is it the change to the "capsules" for each year that you were wondering about?Shawn in Montreal 16:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sortable

I like the sortable tables. The option gives readers the choice of how they want to view the information. I feel they are intuitive and easy enough to fix should they get messed up. I haven't really thought of any drawbacks. Maybe you can expand on that for me? If there's a downside, I need to know. — WiseKwai 16:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm clueless, but I looked at the Thai film list and I didn't see any sortable function at all. I still prefer the way we have it in the Canada film list, where each year is a separate capsule, because it improves readibility, at least for moi. Shawn in Montreal 17:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I see. Yes it works. I just didn't recognize those little buttons as such. If it's either/or, I still prefer the improved readability of separate year capsules over the improved functionality of the sort by bottons. If there's a way of combining both, so much the better.

I just figure the more complicated it is, the more likely some editor will happen by and mess it all up, intentionally or not. Maybe that's just being pessimistic, I don't know. I'm fine with either option, really. Shawn in Montreal 18:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The thing is if there are very few films for each of the years e.g in earlier Canadian films e.g like 1 or 2 in each year wouldn't it just be easier to have then in one table like 1980s List of Iranian films ? . It would look tidier. Remember I only initally split the decade tables up in the belief that there were a high number of films. I suggest merging them into one table for the time being. I have to pop off now but I'll return later ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea adding some French films - one of the biggest industries. However you seem to have got me wrong about the lists. "It might be a hard time persuading Blofeld to accept these lists to stay by alphabetical order. I know Aussiepete wouldn't have a problem and actually would like it better so. But Blofeld has ulterior plans to convert all the lists to chronological order". I know I said about the date order and everything but on starting the Argentine lists I immmediately thought how much tidier it would look in alphabetical order and easier to find. Also many films don't seem to have info on the release dates. So if done alphabetically the film which do have the releases the dates can be given. Even if it is alpahbetical users can still see by looking at the dates the order of release. In fact when the rest of the Argentine lists are completed I was considering putting them in alpha order anyway. Is this clear? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I didn't mean to imply anything like that!! Sorry if I gave that impression. (Somtimes I wish we could speak to one another physically across the net rather than messaging!) What I was trying to say is that I am more open to suggestion - I know I have said about the date order which I do see as useful -but it is just funny that I was thinking the same thing as you and the others about the alphabet order which I do beleive looks tidier and more accesible. Its just if you think I may have a problem with something or you or any of the others have an idea about improvemnt I am always totally and completely open to you addressing it to me. All the best. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

If it can be sortable ok but why is that Thai list now out of order in places -if anything at present isn't it more confusing and untidy surely? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

If the sortable tables can list them alphabetically and in date order this is clearly a great idea but at present that list is confusing!! and out of order ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Right. My main focus for the next day or two is to add all of the titles on wikipedia into the film lists from the categories to secure them from any possible deletion. I am going to go through the list template in order. I'll start with Brazil which only has one film!!!. Once the lists are all secure enough I can continue to add the full contents and titles. I think this is a priority to save any trouble. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 13:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

We should also get a standard naming for the list templates like the Cinemaof ones. My idea would be to name the templates like the Template:ListofAustralianfilms or simply Australianfilms rather than Australiafilmlist. What do you think? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

My contributions? Hey check my last 100+ edits on the List of films!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You are totally right about the vulnerability of some of the lists - Cuba and Denmark were completely empty of films -how they avoided the fate of the Swiss films I don't know. Such is the giganticy of wikipedia now that if you type e.g Danish films or list of danish films into google it is the number one entry even above national film databases which often have the complete works!!. And what will people find? Its not a good look. It wil take a substantial amount of time to work on these lists fully but I really do think it should be one of the WikiProject Film priorities. We can't map out the entirety of film overnight but we can certainly make sure those lists look at a respectable enough start to avoid the hammer in a day or two ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason I asked about the template earlier was I was about to create another template to make one of the lists look better which I was working on at the top and show that it is in the middle of expansion and how detailed it will eventually be. I know you said about standardization of templates and pages before so I thought it was worth deciding quickly particularly as these lists will soon be developed. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Remember that the cinema link was there (I'm talking about the link in the side template not that incorrect link before the first sentence! Absolutely it shouldn't be there) to show that they are intended to be part of the Cinema of... pages. In most of the Cinema of pages the section Films states main article List of..films showing that they are intended to be an expansion. I thought it was quite relevant to indicate they are part of the cinema pages and also I didn't plan on using the horizontal footer template on every page as Pete has done. Am I wrong about this? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

No there shouldn't have been the double links there - i've corrected it. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have corrected the Canadian too -I'm glad you made me aware of it. Looks mcuch better now -including the Aussie films which now fit properly too. About disambiguation. Well the thing is the decades are linked in the base plate for general articles so they need to direct to somehting. Would you prefer e.g List of Australian films:1980s direct to List of Australian films:1980? I would also prefer not to have a disamb too - I would suggest also putting the pre 1920s page back to List of Australian films. The template serves the purpose for all article sso the disambiguation doesn't really matter. Agree? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually the decade disambiguation looks fine and is appropriate but not the main List of Australian films. I feel it is a waste of a page. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 17:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have corrected the List of Australian films page is this ok? I have also removed the double link added a note and categorized it as Austrlian not Canadian. Why was the page categorized as Canadian films? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the giant dab I'll delink the connection to the decades in the vertical template -which not needed. Howver the general Aussie template will need to connect to something ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't even think even the giant dab is necessary because if you enter List of Australian films the note is there in the beginning and all of the contents are there in the box rather than listing them all on a disamb. What I mean is for exmaple visit the Body Melt page. See the navigation on the bottom and click 1980s. Where would you like it to go? Do you mean block off the links to the lists in this bottom box as well? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think its OK now. Most of the decades in the general bottom plate direct straight to the lists anyway its only the 1980s-2000s which need a disamb as they are on sepereate pages. I agree with you about the titling but was that huge long dab page really necessary when you can immeditaely enter at the begining of the list at 1896 with all the contents housed neatly in the box? I'm taking a breather now I hope you are happy with things. See ya ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've missed this thread of discussion but might state my thoughts. I did actually like the direction of the "disambiguation" pages, but agree that they were a waste of a page being so blank. I just don't like that you go to for example List of Australian films and it lists 50 films from 1900-1920 and people might miss the other decades - as if that's the list. Otherwise I wonder if each "list of X films" articles could have a more expanded blurb, what it would say I don't know. I'm also not sure about red linking films like I've done. I've linked all Australian films (about 3,000+ in total) and thing this is inappropriate as an easy 40-50% are short films or not notable enough to have an article - but I still think they warrant being in the list. I think only notable films should be linked and other films can remain unlinked. The problem with this is that if some of those unlinked articles are created substantially, they might not get linked on the list page. Peter 00:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German films

HI you may be pleased to know I have sorted out List of German films. User:Dude Sleeper has added tons of German films organized by the different regimes this is correct although an actor and release column will need to be added. I have created a new box to link them all -however List of West German films is empty and so is the List of films from unified Germany from 1989 onwards. THe 1990s and 2000s have been left on the main List of German films page until they can be filled a bit -then I will move them to the page List of German films 1990-. They look quite respectable now I think. ALso east German films are in year order but need to be placed into the table. Ok? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I know I agree with you. Less fiddling around with dates and actors which bloat the tables. Howver don't be discouraged. What it is all completed I know it will look great it just it needs SOOOOOOO much work. SOme of the lists are shocking!!!!!!!! and in complete disorder or non existent! List of Hong Kong films should be crammed full but I found it empty. List of Swedish films also needs some work. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

To complete this fully and admirably and get is up to a repsectable level is going to take a long time. A number of lists are also still in A-Z -but at least they have films in them!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I also added the films at the base of the Cinema of Malaysia as it is connected within the lists. Somebody added a List of Icelandic films too which is very helpful and I mamged to asked a Canadian user of Serbian descent to fill in the Yuglosavian table a bit and some anonymous user did a lot on List of Japanese films. However such work is sponteneous and the majority is untouched ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] William Monahan article at FAC

Hello Hoverfish. We've crossed paths before, something about merging WikiProjects and some points about screenwriter/film editor stubs. I'm wondering if you would be interested in commenting/reviewing my article on William Monahan currently being run through its paces at WP:FAC?-BillDeanCarter 00:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ideas for collating film discussion...

Hey mate, I've just been browsing some of the discussions of key people involved lately with updating the film articles and lists and I find it really difficult to keep track so many varied threads of discussion and thoughts/decisions going around, particularly when they relate to articles or areas I'm currently working on. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on making the discussion easier between people so information isn't missed and people don't go ahead and flood their templates or information (eg. as I have with the Australian lists), or have a collaboration area where small articles can be developed before being posted (or mass posted in some cases). I'm also embarrassed by the current state of film list pages and see every reason why they should be tagged or monitored very closely – although I see their great potential when (if) they get completed. Going by another comment you mentioned, I do think lists and pages should be bulked out enough before launching the lists. I thought if there was some collaboration page where members can stake their claim on an article they're working on or have a control area for people to work and discuss. The main thing was missing on important decisions or discussion points on multiple discussion areas (even though the discussion isn't necessarily group discussion!). Peter 00:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree too. I have also restored the List of Australian films but structured in more accesibly. Hey no need to feel embarrassed those lists have great potential as do the others they just need WORK!!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 10:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting

I may have to watch that film then. I don't remember reading anything about the Blues Brothers using any early films for motivation, so that would be interesting to watch. I'm pretty sure that my local Blockbuster won't have it though. That's a good idea to have a new film lists subproject, so hopefully we can start some guidelines that people will follow before they begin creating lists for the hell of it. --Nehrams2020 08:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, not sure if you know or not, but you are within the top 1200 editing users on Wikipedia at 1158 according to Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Just wanted to let you know if you're interested. I think my edits are slowing down because of the reviews, but that's alright, I know there's no way that I'll ever reach number one. At least I hope that I never edit that much. If you're into violent movies, and if they show it in Austria, I'd recommend seeing 300. It was quite an interesting movie. Have a good day, and good night. --Nehrams2020 08:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Also I don't think that the number of edits is a true reflection of contribution, I am 108 on the list but the majority of my edits have been two second minor changes. There are many users who have put enormous writing work into wikipedia but edit it all in one go and there edit count is barely in the thousands. I bet there are tons of users with a far less edit count than me that have written more work in wikiepdia1 I'd rather not have my name up there on display this is why I removed my edit count ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's not a good representation of the edits, but it still is interesting to see how addicted you are to Wikipedia. I've heard the film did really well in Greece, but I have read a lot about the different innuendos and ethnic issues the film raises (or what people think they see in the film), so it's interesting to see if this will continue to escalate or not. --Nehrams2020 16:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film project talk

Why don't we set the Talk page:Film lists or something? THis way we can discuss it as a project but not clutter up the main film talk page. I would suggest a section in the main talk page directing to this page where we can disucss the matter and avoid too many detailed personal discussion? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah!!! Great minds think alike I see you have already proposed this. THis would be a great idea to incorporate the project and would also releive our talk pages of continous detail. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposal is on the main Film talk page. Do you think the film lists would look tidier if the first column was the Title in alphabetical order and the second column was the date of release. I certainly do as often the dates are missing and it makes it look really untidy in the first column. THis needs to be decided before the lists are worked on and expanded so save time later. We need to set up that discussion and planning page asap ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing release column

I have begun removing the release column from List of Argentine films:1936 looks much better like this with the titles first table looks much less bloated and accesible. I suggest we devise a way to put release into the notes column so it looks tidy. e.g after notes on the film just put e.g Release:March 10 . ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea. WHy not just remove the release columns and dates which bloat the table and add a new section underneath for releases ? This way the films are in alphabetical order and also the films which do have the release dates can be ordered below. The ne section could also give details about the studio etc. Sound good? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Impressive! We should be able to find notable French films to go into the 1910s and 1920s to fill it up. I have checked all the lists now and none are empty. I also expanded Assamese cinema as it was connected in the world templates but was only four lines long and added the list of films and added the first Assamese film onto wikiepdia Joymati. I am going to concentrate on the China and Kong Kong lists now. When your task is done we should set up the talk page as proposed. I'll leave you to it!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 19:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers

Just to let you know the proposal is up and running main is Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals but also proposed on film talk page and biography. I needed a break from those lists which I'll return to shortly!! Whenever you are free your comments and views would be appreciated as always ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I started Blanquita Amaro only a few weeks ago and she died three days ago. It feels strange to have started the article so close to her death!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 21:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Without a doubt you have done a terrific job on the French films so far. Well done. I'm impressed. However I don't know if that layout is a little too distracting. When I look at it I am more focusing on the colour and the barriers between each year, especially for the earlier years. Maybe change the colour to a blue tone or rmeove the colour perhaps? Still good though. Yes it does seem a little strange about that Amaro article and quite a coincidence! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it is jus the colour try using this : #ccccff" ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Try the colour #ccccff" it the one used for most of templates. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

THat looks much better. How about also breaking th divides between each year like the list of Canadian films. A small seperation between each year will lake it stand out evne better perhaps? What'd ya think? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 22:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] le Roi et l'oiseau

I'm not so sure about 2 infoboxes - it is one film; The Shepherdess and the Chimneysweep was simply an incomplete version that was released. It is missing footage that is present in the latter film. I think it should be treated like any other film which has had alternate edits released or was censored at some point in its history (eg. Metropolis (film), Andrei Rublev (film). As far as the credits go, I think there are just some more animators who worked on the final version, but most of the credits are the same. Esn 21:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] list of films

Is it just me, or is the List of Australian films article screwed up? Lets see... the main page is a disambiguation page which simply lists 1920-2000 by decade or year, then on the right there's a condensed panel with the same list, then for good measure and to reinforce the fact that there are these pages you can also access from the template on the bottom. So when you go to discuss this point the talk page redirects to List of Australian films: Pre 1920. Just an observation. - The same is so with Argentine films... I do think it makes sense to have the disambiguation page as the opening blurb of the pages says something along the lines of "A list of films produced in X by year in the X in the List of X films" which should link to the disambiguation, not Pre: X. I'm also finding the notability are either blank or it should simply be "notes" which note release dates (?), awards, notability. I think there needs some accountability and references for the lists to confirm where the information comes from, otherwise anyone could come and trapse right through the list with bogus titles, dates and information with no way of verifying the information. Peter 02:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I have addressed Pete's concerns regarding this issue. He is going great I think. Anyway I have altered the beginning of the List of French films now looks much more presentable. I feel that great long European template is not at all relevant and cluttered it unnecessarily. The bottom templates are there which connect to the cinema page and then the European anway. I have started adding the first films for List of Austrian films from German wikipedia but I need to add the columns for genre and notes which will display the film studio etc. If you could find the List of German films on Deutsch wiki and connect it with this would be a good step - hoepfully they have a full list like Austria!!. Really countries such as Germany and France and Italy should have highly devleoped lists but we'll work on it!! Regards from baldy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 11:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French films

I'll be adding some early French films too by Georges I have entered the first handful in the list. Have a read of L'Auberge du Bon Repos I started. Sounds comical but I need to copy edit it and try to find a film image. Surely one exists somewhere? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 12:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Just what is your problem? You don't own the lists. I don't appreciate you doing that. Now time has been wasted unnecessarily. All of those films were notable but don't have an article yet. The inuse tag was not there so how dare you say I have no right to try to improve the list ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 13:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

And no I didn't intend starting useless stubs. All of those films were by a major director and should have decent articles not stubs. Why coulnd't you have just unwikified it so they are blacked out rather than removing it all. Hoverfish you can really be quite unreasonable at times. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 13:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I have rid of some of the red links of the actors and directors to try to help the links in your table -not useless stubs but fairly adequate starter pages. I also came across some Jean Renoir films which are missing but are notable and should have full articles. I'll respect your editing method so I hope I can help the 1920s section when you have done the A-Z by giving you these films.

• 1924 : Backbiters (Catherine ou Une vie sans Joie, also acted)
• 1925 : Whirlpool of Fate (La Fille de l'eau)
• 1926 : Nana
• 1927 : Charleston Parade (Sur un air de charleston)
• 1927 : Une vie sans joie (second version of Backbiters)
• 1927 : Marquitta
• 1928 : The Sad Sack (Tire-au-flanc)
• 1928 : The Tournament (Le Tournoi dans la cité)
• 1928 : The Little Match Girl (La Petite Marchande d'allumettes)

I am also in the process of adding the Austrian films and was when you made that pointer. I won't be a nuisance to you again for several days. I can see you are busy and it is appreciated. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 15:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Thai films

I agree that the percentage thing is a better, more flexible solution, and wanted to that on List of Thai films, but I couldn't figure out or remember how it works. Can you point me to an example of a list that uses the percentages? Once have the coding locked in, I'll be good to go. — WiseKwai 09:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh totally I agree with you. But wikipedia is far from complete and people know this but definately you would expect to see a complete list of Geerman, Italian, Spanish and French films if not fuller lists for the others. Well all we can do is work on them and improve them to make them this way. Unfortunately, although I'll still be working on the lists when I can but from today I will be putting far less time into wikipedia and I have new committments. Well done starting the list navigation page very useful indeed.

All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 16:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your work on the list of Thai films. It gives me an excellent good start. I am thinking of adopting the French design, and I would probably group the titles alphabetically under the years. Believe it or not, there are a few English-language Thai films, and there are probably a couple of films from other countries here and there that have Thai language, but yeah, the language cat is pretty much a mirror. I maintain the language cat anyway, though, because some people find it useful. — WiseKwai 18:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what to suggest for the Australian films. What's there now isn't pretty, but it gets the job done for now. "List of lists"? I know, that wasn't helpful. But I can see where you're headed. The French list is huge and will need to be split. Establishing a convention for a header page to navigate to the different years is definitely going to be a challenge. — WiseKwai 17:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Great job on the French film I bow my bald evil spectred head down to you!!!! It also looks MUCH better now you have reduced the font size of the year strips it looks great. There are still many missing but a top start! The next of most importance I think is the List of German films 1945-1989 list of west and east. Category:German films categorizes both countries wtongly I think . This will need doing next I think. I'll make a start when I have time. All the best and I'll check out the new navigation talk page now. Hey good to see they are putting my new Assamese films on the front page! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

My cat likes it although he says it is not quite fresh enough! Now they have just nominated Indramalati and Zhuangzi Tests His Wife too! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 20:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] au film list disambiguation

Hope I've not caused more trouble than unnecessary making you go and change the disambiguation page! From what I can see, I think it looks quite neat and simply put. I'm not much of a writer so wouldn't be able to contribute too much, I can list things and collate statistics but am not very good at writing, sorry. What's there seems to be OK to me. Peter 22:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point about Australian stubs and film category - no I haven't got to those yet, these are films listed mostly on IMDB, I was then going to check additional sources such as the all movie guide. Some of the titles in my list are pretty minor titles and possibly not worthy of an article so they can be worked out once individual details are added, then red links (possibly) removed. Along with stubs and categories that need to be added and cross checked, each title may be slightly spelt incorrectly or listed as an article under an alternate name, and some that are based on other films or books might be useful also. My main concern was to loose the original list of films, but they have been added to the overall list. I'll look into doign this also, otherwise others can pick up the pieces. Maybe we should add a todo list to the disambig page for things that still need doing, ie.

• Add or correct title links and info from Australian film stubs
• Add or correct title links and info from Category:Australian films
• Add all available major information for all films in list (title, release, notes, director, main cast, pictures/posters, links)

Peter 23:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for taking over for a bit, I'll just tread carefully to make sure we don't double up or undo each others work. The current titles are directly from the links in the films without article lists which have all been correctly linked as far as I am aware. From here, the less notable films can have their links removed, if they are notable or have enough substantial information available then they can stay. Because it's taken a while to get to adding and completing the data in the lists, this is been put on the back burner which as you say gives the articles reason to flag. As a start, I think less notable films are ones that are of short length with no awards or little known director/cast and little information available. This is pretty much all I'm going by which isn't necessarily the strongest criteria. I think awards automatically give credibility and profile. Peter 02:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hope these comments don't get lost in the thick of it, not sure where to post them! I was looking at the 2000s aussie lists just a while ago thinking the same thing. I would have combined 2000-2003 and 2004-upcoming/current/2007 which could also have other/miscellaneous (unknown years)/upcoming. I think there should also be a format for the notes section, as a few I've added look a little messy, and would look terrible if the whole list was filled out (eg. Mar 27, 92mins, 9 wins, 3 nominations, based on a book - Official site, IMDb, AMG) Peter 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List Department

I'm leaving to go home for Spring Break, so will have limited edits for the next few days. I'll try to get more involved with it when I get settled or when I return back to San Diego. Good job on setting it up thus far. --Nehrams2020 03:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists and such

Well, thank you for contacting me on this issue, but I'm afraid that I'm not quite in a Wikipedia state of mind at the moment, as in, I haven't contributed for months. I'm really pleased to see WP Films up and running though. As for getting a uniform look for lists, and splitting them, and all that, it's quite a dillemma, since it's too long all together, but then when split up, it's really quite small, and the only way I can see really small lists being justified is by adding a lot more content. The look for the BAFTA page was not my idea - my original plans were much, much more simple. I think it's quite a useful format, but there's always room for improvement, so if you don't need to adhere to what could be an outdated method, don't. Sorry if this isn't helpful, or isn't what you're looking for. :S ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 06:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• I have created a model page for an idea of how the new project wil look. THe task bar I think will need to incorporate both biography and film targets to focus in this field. The templates for the content of the project are for use on the main project page only but they are not completed yet. What do you think so far of the idea ?

User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld/Film Biography page model ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 14:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of the page now? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 19:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notebook

I really like the direction with the concise listing you've got in your notebook for 40s-60s of the Australian lists. I like that they are all in one table and that they are all on one page. This would cut down the pages and make it more managable and it looks a lot more together. Peter 23:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Just another note about the film lists you're working on, I think it should be "Cast" not actors. Actors is generally for males, what about actresses? I think cast covers this. Any thoughts feel free to mention. Peter 09:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

No, the Australian film lists are essentially a complete listing of all films listed in the IMDB, excluding some articles that already existed which I am assuming were added to the List of Australian films list before being removed from the films without article. If all categories, stubs and additional film lists from all movie guide, box office, etc I don't assume there will be too many more films added, at least not hundreds! This list was taken from IMDB around the time I compiled the list of films without article (maybe 2-3 months old?). I think it's safe to say that once all details are added to the list from various sources, I'd be confident that it's around 95% complete besides lesser known films. On a second note, I'm now not sure about the bolded film titles, it seems too busy...

I think it's looking alright, pretty good. I also think the notes would be good for run time, ie a very short film is barely classified a film and hence not to be listed. Maybe criteria could be drawn up for what constitutes a film - is it feature films or film in general? Shorts should still be listed but there are so many... Peter 03:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the suggested length is a good starting point, we can easily split them later if need be but I don't think that will be necessary. The less the pages the better I think, it keeps it all together and feels more complete that way. I do know IMDB isn't the most reliable place for info and completeness, but has a lot of titles which acts as a starting point. I know of a few other sources along with the ones you mentioned (the official funding and state/national film corporations are also good Australian film resources) Maybe these lists of notable lists and sites should be listed on the page. Peter 08:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the aussie film lists are looking good now, but just from a practical editing point, I noticed it seems like a large slab to sift through for adding a single title etc. I wonder if there's a way of still makign each year a section or editable somehow?

THey are looking better Pete but please keep that directory of external links to a minimum we don't want to drive people away before they even get a chance to look at the lists. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The red links all seem to still be there on the list of missing articles. And on the actual lists, I assumed you removed the red links. Peter 22:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed the table breaks (my watchlist is getting a little bloated so I missed that change) but yes it is a concern if the tables end up this disastrous. I wonder if it can somehow have restricted editing or more of a template based approach to save messing up in the future and to allow easy editing. I know when I first started out, tables were a little confusing. Peter 00:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of international film festivals

Hi FayssalF! Congratulations for compiling the international film festival list. I am interested in film awards of all kinds (industrial, critics and festivals), so your list will help me a lot connect things where needed. It also helps mark the notability of many film articles and set priorities for films without an article. One tip that may help (you and WP Films): we had lots of film lists nominated for deletion lately. One argument that was often repeated is that we shouldn't duplicate categories with lists. The way to protect a list from this argument, is to give additional information after each entry. In this case it could be the year each one started and the name of the highest award handed. Let me know if you agree. Hoverfish Talk 16:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hoverfish. Thnaks. I just want to inform you that another article List of film festivals exists as well. I agree w/ you about the risj of deletion. I'll try to add the years if that could help. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 16:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Please be careful about how many external links are added to the lists. List of Australian films now has way too many links and the spamming team will just wipe all that out. The page is meant to be a quick direction page not a directory of Austrlian film sites which will encourage users to leave the site. The WP Spammers would be outraged if they saw that page!! I personally don't have an objection to two or three other sites but 30 odd links is too much!! The lists look better now though. Good work. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe so but I'd hate to bring to wrong kind of attention to the lists by many users who I know are against so many links. Also I have seen the list naviagtion talk page -what is Otto Normalverbraucher doing to the end of the Austrian list -he has suddenly sprung back to life now I added those earlier films. The producer section should definately be in notes in the end column which should be renamed )just for Austria which has all the studio details Notes/studio. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

If Otto could fill in the Austrian list in the format suggested that would be another load off my shoulders and WP films. THe sooner these are done the sooner we can feel more confident about our work not just on the American films but world films. I see the lists as a framework to build the missing articles upon and summarize entire periods of cinema history which as you well know this why I was so amazed when initally the lists were up for afd - I am gald, very glad you recognized their potential and thanks for your initiative.I must admit I do tend to forget the scale of this project from time to time -these articles are potentially in the view of millions of people every day so gradually these should be turned into something great rather than empty lists. I have filled in Argentina 1937-1944 today and I think I'll stick with that for now and try to get it looking the best. We should at least have one or two fully developed lists even if many of the others are still very poor.

It would be terrific if you could work on the German films now. If you could go through the Category:German films and sort it like the French films it would be another added achivement for films. The majority are of East and West Germany but these lists are empty. I'll leave you to it now as I too will be very busy over the next few days when I have time to work on the lists. Good luck amigo! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 18:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you have seen the Central Asian and Southern Caucasus Film Festivals Confederation. There are two additional links there as well. They are not "international" in the global sense, but they have several country-members. I guess the same is true for European Film Awards and the Panafrican Film and Television Festival of Ouagadougou, which I added to the list, but now I think this was a mistake. Should we maybe make a list of "Regional film festivals", or does "International" refer to such multi-national cases too? Hoverfish Talk 22:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it is better to have them all at List of international film festivals for now as they are not too many. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 09:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to turn Hoverfish's page into a forum, but I feel I need to add something here. Something I noticed about the List of international film festivals is that is only lists film festivals with the word "international" in the title. So the Bangkok International Film Festival is on the list, but the World Film Festival of Bangkok is not. And neither is the Cannes Film Festival. Maybe the original intent was to make it a disambiguation page? I would suggest the "international" list and the List of film festivals be merged somehow - whatever format is deemed the most useful. All film festivals, by their nature, are usually international, in that they usually show films from all over the world. — WiseKwai 16:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, my talk page is a multi-forum type, so no problem there. But sometimes, I selct and copy discussions (including the other sides of the threads) to the relevant articles' talk pages. So all this may be copied to the list's talk soon. Yes, we should add all internationals, even if the title doesn't include the word per se. But my question is about some regional festivals, like the Pan African or the European. Are they also considered internation, though they include only some countries? Hoverfish Talk 16:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, sure, if the region fests have films from different countries, they are still international. What do you think about merging the content of List of film festivals and List of international film festivals? — WiseKwai 17:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meep

Hi! Thanks for the quick brief lecture. I feel somewhat more "learn-ed". I'll try to follow these rules you've given me, i was only re-arranging cats before as alphabetical seemed to make more sense. Also, I edit most all films, i've just been on a horror-kick lately to fix those up. But now is time for sleep, thanks again for the quick advice! :) Andrzejbanas 07:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German films

Hoverfish Hoverfish dear Hoverfish. Of course!!!! I have just corrected all the ones I have come across now - it seems like the majority are West German films. East German films will need a lot of work article wise I think. I have just added Herzog films up to 1989 but I have't altered them yet. You should see the category German films is looking way better already!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 12:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course I notcied about the category order (timeline order) as well!!! Good. I have reached end of E in the A-Z but if you could help fill in the blanks I only hoped to get it looking a bit better. You can continue where I left off now if you like. I have some other lists to attend to ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 12:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes Category:German films start with F thanks. The list of East German films also need reformatting later ready to films in the films too. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 13:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

THere is one small problem of course. West germany and East Germany came into existence in 1949. I am almost certain that only a handful of films were produced between 1945 and 1949 if none at all. Between these years germany of course was rebuilding itself. I suggest we change it to 1949- or note that film production only began to take off again in 1949 ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 13:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

THat a good idea but I don't really see any POV. First hoever can you urgently quickly format the list of East german films with the blue horixontal year divides as User:Bronx has found it and is beginning to fll it I think. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 13:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Not yet they don't but when the list is complete like the 1950s don't you think it'll look alittle full? I do thin the template looks better without splitting and keeping just west and east but German produced a hug enumber of films between 1950 and 1990. I'll remove the red links for now then until we see how it'll look eventuually ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 14:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly ! see my edit to the template "keep as east and west until we see the full extent of list". Sorry I thought I told you I agree until they are fully complete! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 14:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Splitting them of course would be risky anyway if they are very incomplete. Bes to wait until they fully complete and then split. Sorry I was just planning the template ahead to show how the lists will develop. Not to worry about that for now anyway. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 14:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have got used to wikifying links automatically. Probably most are worthy of an article but there will be some which should only feature in the list and not have an article so many shouldn't possibly be linked. I too don't like to many red links but I really don't think we should shut every red link on every page down. Red links attract editors to try to fill in gaps and show what is missing even if its looks untidier and shows the weak areas of the project ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 15:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

I guess its best when adding the missing films into the table titles from imdb to not wikify them until they are checked for notability. After al a red link does impose the idea that the film or actor must have an article when some certainly do not. I'll make a note of this when adding the CHinese films and Swedish films later. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 15:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

If the tables are empty with only titles then I agree it will attract the afd but if the lists are fully complete and notablity and details on the direcotrs actors etc are asserted no one can really complain about the missing titles -they just show what is missing. If there are articles on the actors and direcotrs which ar elinked in the table but no article on the film people will just see it is a missing article and hopefully encourage them to fill it in . It is cause for debate I agree as I too don't like to see too many red links either I have moved the discussion to the list tlak page anyhow. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "SPECTRE"} 15:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Page

Thanks so much for your response! It was really weird! My password changed, and then I couldn't see all of my edits. When I tried to type anything on the vandalism help page, I was blocked every time by editor conflict. When I posted the help sign on my page the link I needed led to a "bad page", and that later disappeared leaving only the link to the general help page. I couldn't enable password receipt on my preferences. In the end, after quite a few failed attempts I managed to get emails out to a few peeps I know to be sensible! Including you :). I only wanted to finish an article I started, and ended up doing no work! I presume there was some kind of glitch in the sytem.... Thanks for your response and action... Very Best Regards High Heels on Wet Pavement 19:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Increasing traffic on the list of films

You know what? SInce those country footer templates have been placed at the foot of a few articles already the traffic on the lists has increased dramtically in even the last week. The List of Chinese films, List of Spanish films and List of Japanese films was almost empty a few weeks ago now they are starting to take shape already by users who have improved them. I have also seen other lists quickly developing also. Hopefully they can all be improved quickly like this to take the weight of just the four or five of us! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 20:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes!! Quite a move for SPECTRE! Its funny you should mention the UFO article. You see the women with the purple hair. Dolores Mantez I started her article back when I was doing Randall and Hopkirk!! God I love 60s and 1970 British tv!! I have to go again now as the demand for thos PC in my house is rather high!!! See you hopefully later . ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 20:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] film list tests

I'm just playing around briefly here and trying a few varied formats for the film list. I've got an idea to have the notes moved to an area outside of the table so it can be as long as it likes without interrupting the flow and neatness of the table. It also might make mass links to external sites appear more acceptable as actual references. I've started playing around here: Film test and would be interested to hear your initial comments. I think the flaw of it is when there's a page with say 300 films, the notes is huge and cumbersome, and it kind of seems strange to separate the data when it can easily go together. Nothing set in stone and I don't want to put too much effort into it at the moment unless it's something worth considering. (Note the format of the first entry on the table for comparison) Peter 06:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Point taken :) It was only a rough idea really with nothing thought out entirely. Just something to play with. I thought also the IMDb links are pretty much redundant if you give the IMDb year/country link - the film would simply be in that list. I'm not sure if the other sources have this kind of list also? I think production studio is worth having. I guess I've been thinking along the lines of having all the detail provided in the infoboxes, but I guess you need to draw the line somewhere. The simplae basics are probably better for space. Peter 09:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

References for studios... (I find wiki discussions threads get lost all over the place, hope I'm not messing anything up here!). In relation to the studio being in the notes, I guess it depends what information is available for films but I think it almost warrants it's own column. I think it would be a little odd to have references for the studios abbreviations... otherwise maybe a template system might work? (eg. <ref>20th Century Distribution</ref> would become {{studio|20}} but that seems crazy too! Peter 13:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I was only cleaning up the loose list for the List of East German films putting them into the tables - I didn't compile the list!! of course they shouldn't have unotable tv films or french films my job was just trying to get it off to a start . ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 14:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes and that pic. was Gabrielle Drake I lost my concentration there bu Dolores did play the character!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 14:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hola

I've got a question. I copied "il sorpasso" (film) on wikipedia from ITALIAN wikipedia, but it was deleted beacuse, of course, it wasn't in English.

Where the "can anyone translate foreign wiki pages into English" help wanted is ???

In Italian and Spanish wikipedias, there's a place for those proposals.

I'd like to go on improving both the Spanish and the Italian cinema pages, but my Italian (I can read and understand it) is not so good enough to be able to translate it into English.

I put also Italian submisions films for Oscars in Italian. I think it's yet there.

[edit] Film lists and inclusion

Hey. I agree with you and Doctor Sunshine on this. Redlink entries can be useful, and there are certainly many important films still without an article, but they are still unverified and can lead to clutter. Including the films that currently have an article seems like a reasonable solution. I have seen this inclusion criterion imported to many lists about bands and generally it seems to have improved them. Also, while looking through some lists, I noticed that some contain bold text on film titles and some do not. I would prefer to see the bold text removed both from the lists and the templates. It's unnecessarily heavy, a bit hard to read and non-standard, so I think simply italicized title would look better. I suggested this to Blofeld once though, and he didn't really agree. Prolog 14:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hoverfish I am cool about it but i wish you hadn't have made out to sushine and prolog that i am into unloading every four minute film or short or tv film striaght from imdb onto wikipedia. I was only putting a East german list that someone else had compiled into the table ready for sorting later -i didn't even look at the films just trying to give it a start. As for adding other films I only add missing films to the lists if they are worthy of an article. I thought you knew this. Four minute short films or complete indpeendent one off films etc with no info are clearly not good enough for the tables. While I would like to includemost feature films I don't want films in the table really that are not worthy of an article. Saludos! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 15:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I would also very much like to say I have no problem whatsoever with removing bold text completely. I don't know why people got this idea. I am as cool with it as everyone . I only beleived the bold text was useful for the titles in the tables as it makes the films standout from the other components. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 15:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey no hard feelings my friend. No need to feel bad. I also strongly agree that if the missing titles are unwikified that it looks horrible in bold anyway so should definately be unbolded too. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 15:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

THat good. I'll let you format it I'll continue with the Argie films. I do like the see the majority of films in the tables -they are a list of films rather than a list of the award wining films-but whilst there is some debate over what is notable when you see a title on imdb and check it you can often see the films which are unworthy because of a distinct lack of cast info and details and if you check some of the direcotrs. actors wh have only ever appeared in one films you can root out the baddies!!!! Keep up the good wikiing and management. I know you are only trying to make them as respectable as possible. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 15:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Also thanks for indirectly letting me know about the Executioner 1963 -this is not actually the correct name. In English although the translation is right the actual titles range from Not on Your Life to somehting else. It should be just El Verdugo with the negish given, -I have had a number of complaints from Gene Nygaard and Cop633 amongst others who have said that we must stick with official titles. If it was going to be in English it would have to be Not on Your Life not The Executioner evne though this is the correct translation. Anyway I've expanded it a little it is quite shameful though the some of the really notable films still missing from wikipedia. THis should have been started ages ago. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 17:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Caution Hoverfish the List of Spanish films has been edited by the new guy since you added the tag!!!! Copy your work before you save! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 17:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] about the plots of films

You write the plot on your own words, or, is there any web site with freedom to copy and paste plots? IMDB may be???

with the longer EL VERDUGO article, I can to use that article to do as you've did. But to explain a film in English for me, with my English !!! gosh, it's hard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rohmerin (talk • contribs) 17:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Will do. I know that the bulgarian still has a-d I think . I think i'll put those into the tables now. You sort out the finnish films then ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 19:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] March WP:FILMS Newsletter

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[edit] Re references/footnotes

Hey I trust you are well. I was going to contact you about this issue, since I was supposed to ask for a second opinion, but you know how long I take sometimes. Yes, I see your point. But I ask, is there anything wrong with including the IMDb as a footnote? I say, not. It's better to include a reference than the opposite. I was told to be BOLD, well I guess that was my attempt, especially since so many film articles have no references whatsoever, it's amazing. My latest project, as you may know, is to bring up to good shape the films mentioned in the documentary Visions of Light. And, what you so well articulated in your message is policy why don't you Wiki admins please place that logic in the film template? Yes, it makes sense, but now I've edited such references in hundereds of film articles and film bios (funny how so many, many editors never reversed, and some gave me a better way to edit the reference). Finally, my final argument is: "if it fits don't delete." On another matter, I may be having second thoughts about the capitalization issue after perusing my Britannica Encyclopedia, why the NY Times and other newspapers does it different is beyond me. It's all so crazy. My best to you cool cat... Luigibob 07:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other Wiki projects

The Doctor Who wiki I worked on was a Wikia project, basicly a separate wiki set up to cover things that might not meet the notability tests of Wikipedia. The Star Wars wiki has 46,266 articles on their English language version alone. Hopefully as they develop they should act as a good way of preserving detailed encycopedia articles on TV show characters, etc which can't really be included on Wikipedia. A full list of these can be found here --Amxitsa 11:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I guess its inevitable that views are going to clash over high importance articles such as Casino Royale. Being the SPECTRED man I am i would like to help get the get casino royale to FA status in between filling the lists. Luckily my work sections on the special effects, plot and awards seems to be respected if all other efforts at trying to improve it by an image of the key villain was reverted. That page is guarded like Fort Knox!!! I hope sincerely hope Luigi Bob doesn't leave either. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 15:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smiley Award

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[edit] Country Film lists

Actually, I've been thinking, I personally am more interestest in early European films. As you can see my previous focuses (foci) have been in pre-1945 Germany, Poland, etc. If its all the same to you I think my next projects should concentrate on some of the smalled European countries during this period, say, Yugoslavia?--Dudeman5685 00:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greek-Egyptian co-productions

Hi Hoverfish. I don't think he's a prominent figure, just a director — who is not Egyptian. Then again, I'm not much of an Egyptian cinema buff. True I write about its films but I don't have that much information. My opinion is that if you can find the sources to verify his notability, why not, you can create it. I'm probably not going to be able to do that since real life is busying me this week and because right now in Wikipedia, I have a bunch of more important things to do. FYI, some huge, truly prominent and way more important Arab and Egyptian superstars don't have articles here. It's a shame there isn't that much activity from Arab users here. Regards, Anas ^talk? 23:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)