User talk:Jasper33

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Contents 1 K. A. C. Creswell 2 Big thanks! 3 I think this was meant for you 4 DYK 5 Henry Burrell 6 Raymond Firth 7 Shark 8 "North Arabian" 9 DYK 10 Your article, Safaitic, was selected for DYK! 11 Abecedary 12 Ship-eating pandas 13 DYK 14 Agnes Newton Keith 15 Thanks 16 Thanks... 17 Al Harrat Again 18 DYK (13 Feb) 19 Francis Turville-Petre 20 DYK 21 Thanks 22 Cripes 23 Batu Lintang camp 24 Batu Lintang flag 25 Batu Lintang 26 re: Batu Lintang camp 27 note re Batu Lintang camp 28 FA bid 29 John Inman camp

[edit] K. A. C. Creswell

First up, well done, that's a great first article, and you are patently the type of editor the project sorely needs. I know exactly what you mean about the search box, it is a bit weak, and doesn't really function for variants of the article name...unless you apply WP:REDIRECT. You need to creat a new page for each name variant you have in mind (within reason of course), and plant the text - !" #REDIRECT K. A. C. Creswell ". It should work ok, then.
As a general comment, the opening paragraph could be expanded and give a very brief outline of the detail in the sections below. Also if you have used sources other than Hamilton, you should state them where used. But anyway, happy editing and take care. - Coil00 23:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Fine. After few glasses of water and a hefty fry to soak it all up, of course. - Coil00 01:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Your first article was one article shy of being the esteemed 1,500,000th article created! See the banner on todays front page - Coil00 19:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big thanks!

Hi Jasper, thanks for your words of encouragement. I'll keep writing about flamenco :-) GemmaMS 20:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think this was meant for you

[edit] DYK

On November 29, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Raymond Firth, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks again for your contributions. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

CheersJasper23 16:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Burrell

Yep, the stance and the get-up make you think there's something that takes some handling in that box. "Don't look in its eyes...arghh!" - that sort of thing. Brook Watson, eh? I'll cross that off my list then. [1]. Cheers, Yomangani^talk 16:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I was just nosing around your user page and figured there must be an image of the old boy somewhere. Brook Watson is a long way down my list - I couldn't find anything much more than what is in that link last time I looked. If your interests stretch that far, I wouldn't mind somebody else taking a look over Thylacine - I'm going to put it up for FA in couple of days. The Burrell article was a fall out from that one. Yomangani^talk 18:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've hopefully addressed most of your points. Convergent evolution is linked twice, as I thought that since the second one says: "This is an example of convergent evolution" it was rather inviting you to click the link. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any free images of the rock art, and although I managed to knock up the footprint picture that's as far as my artistic talents extend. Thanks again. Yomangani^talk 10:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a slightly more modern 1986 version of the etymology dictionary, but it is very terse and doesn't comment on the scarcity. In afew years time the 1950s version might be right again, you never know. Yomangani^talk 13:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't want to list all the alternative names that aren't in common usage as it would break up the flow, but I've added a note to the bottom which lists most of the alternatives. Yomangani^talk 14:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You see why I didn't want to list them in the body. It's at FAC now by the way. Thanks for your help with this. I've got another (shorter) one that I'll be putting in in a couple of weeks after I do some more referencing, maybe I'll hassle you again...no...wait...come back. Yomangani^talk 08:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, it's open to everybody - there's very little that is restricted to just admins (and don't let anybody try and tell you otherwise). The only real rule is that if you comment on something that you were a major contributor to before the FAC it's obligatory to mention it. Yomangani^talk 09:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raymond Firth

Amazing! Comparing your article with my original stub, I felt so ashamed that the least I could do was to add a Persondata template :-) Great work, Jasper33! --Magnus Manske 13:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you can display the persondata by editing your monobook.css file and entering

table.persondata {display:table;}

there. You'll have to hard-reload an en.wikipedia page for this to take effect. For more scripting coolness, visit Wikipedia:Scripts and Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts. --Magnus Manske 10:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've added it to your monobook.css - it's just a subpage of your user page. It can contain various settings to alter your wikipedia browsing individually (meaning, page display and layout). If you go to the bottom of the Raymond Firth article, you probably won't see a change. Reload the page with SHIFT-Reload (or SHIFT-F5 or whatever your browser wants to clear the page cache) and you'll see the persondata table (the one you could only see in the wiki code). If you don't like it, or it doesn't work, or you have other questions, talk to me :-) --Magnus Manske 19:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shark

I've left Brook Watson for you though. Get on with it! Yomangani^talk 17:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Very nice (and very quick). I wouldn't quote the whole of the legend from the painting though. Want me to track down some pics? Yomangani^talk 23:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "North Arabian"

In my understanding, "North Arabian" is equivalent to "Arabic", while "South Arabian" is South Semitic. I believe "Old North Arabian" is used to refer to pre-Islamic members of the Arabic group. I've created the South Central Semitic stub now, which is the unambiguous term, and which was missing. I am not positive on the correct terminology, but it should be discussed there. regards, dab (𒁳) 17:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Copied ftrom Jasper23's talk page:

[edit] DYK

On December 18, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brook Watson, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

On December 21, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Megaherb, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

- Thanks again Jasper. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

(Copied across from Jasper23's userpage by Jasper33 18:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

Err, sorry I never noticed two Jasper's. I guess that's up to you, there is a place called Wikipedia:Changing username - I think that there are two admins around Mike_1 and Mike_7, I think it's the 23 and 33 which is getting me knotted up. Thanks for your contributions again. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your article, Safaitic, was selected for DYK!

On December 23, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Safaitic, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 23:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abecedary

The redirect is working fine here. -- Longhair\^talk 01:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The wiki database / cache can sometimes be slow to update. See WP:CACHE#Server_cache. Adding ?action=purge to the end of your URL clears the cache when this occurs. I'd say your problem was related to this. -- Longhair\^talk 01:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ship-eating pandas

I've put them up at DYK (just so YDK). Cheers, Yomangani^talk 13:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

How do I do it? I type fast and make a lot of mistakes. I'd leave the panda story - sources are pretty thin on the ground for this sort of stuff, and a 1938 booking-in date doesn't sound that wild for a September 1937 departure (although it does say 12/1938). I'm not sure the panda site is 100% accurate anyway: Saint Louis Zoo claims to have got one in 1938 that had been in Hannover, Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, Leipzig, Nurenberg, Collogne and Paris, but there's no record of it having been in any of those places on the site. Harkness' page is a bit dry, isn't it? (I've added a pic though) Yomangani^talk 16:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 7 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Agnes Newton Keith, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 10:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Agnes Newton Keith

No problem at all - I admit that I tend to slap that tag onto every article I read that doesn't have references, just as a friendly reminder. But yes, again, good job, it's quite interesting and very well-written.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 20:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Jasper, I had just never seen the spelling "licence" (or at least I didn't remember having done so) and now I'm not sure if I should have changed it. Henry Keith was British, and Agnes died in Canada, so that seems to be two-out-of-three in favor of British spelling. I didn't recognize it as a British form, but Canadian English spelling usually matches British spelling, and not U.S. spelling. So, perhaps I made a mistake making the change. I'm embarrassed that I didn't recognize the form "licence." Being familiar with such variations is usually one of my strong points. May I add that your many excellent contributions to the Wikipedia impress me greatly. Thanks for the acknowledgement of my edit (although it was merely listed by IP address). OlYeller 23:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hello, I would like to thank you for your message, in fact and as a new contributor in Wikipedia, there is many things to be learn first about editing, and writing useful articles. I like here to concentrate on articles related to the Levant, it could be great if you help by English Laguage, because my english is not perfect. For the Volcanic fields I'm preparing a List of Voclanoes (names, heights) of Es Safa. Thanks again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KFZI310 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Thanks...

...it's just what I've always wanted. I've put it in with the Sea-Monkeys who are teaching it to to play basketball. Yomangani^talk 14:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Harrat Again

Hello Again, You are always welcome to do any editing on my contributions, as long as you see that this could help. For the Jordanian part of Harrat Ash Shamah, I would like to give you its name, or at least the name of the northern section of the Jordanian Harrat which is "Harrat Ar Rujaylah". it lies directly south east of Jabal Druze, I hope that this could help. I'm also interested in this volcanic region because I live there, more precisly in Jabal Druze. and also I have Russian documents on this region, it always took me time to translate them!. KFZI310

[edit] DYK (13 Feb)

On 13 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Francis Turville-Petre, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smurrayinchester (talk • contribs) 18:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Francis Turville-Petre

Hi - could I ask why you removed the LGBT rights activist category from his page? Thanks Jasper33 16:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I scanned the article for evidence and only saw the point about attedance at a congress, which hardly justified the category. I missed the other point made. 82.18.125.110 20:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It would have been nice, having realised your mistake, if you could have bothered to revert it. Jasper33 21:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 3 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Violet Dickson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Majorly _{(o rly?)} 19:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for fixing my category surname, first name mistake. I vaguely recall a dropped hyphenated surname but that may be rubbish. Your version is definitely the one he was known by. Children were told,

"be good, or Frank Jardine will come and get ya".

Regards, - Fred 12:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. Australians often dropped their hyphenated names. I am never quite sure how to handle it in categorising. Let me know if you come across some precedents. I see you caught Satusoru's attention too. At least I'm not the only untidy one. Cheers. - Fred 13:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cripes

Wherever I go he precedes me- Fred that is - he's a friend - I was here to thank you for the Thomas Bather Moore cat correctin - I suspect my whole unofficial west coast tasmania project needs that... oops! cheers and thanks for the reminder... SatuSuro 12:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I send very very nonsensical messages on freds talk page to save my insanity as we have some strange editors that we have to encounter in some of our areas of common interest. Western Tasmanian explorers are under articled - and I do own at least two or three books that have ample info - its the time issue. As for librarian issues - I used to work in the largest academic one in oz- in sydney for a while - being paid to wander through the stack looking for missing books...what a life it was. Anyways fredulence (I call him other things too) is doing some good drafts - a local crustacean and woodchipping - its enough for me to want to track down my copy of the alice/carrol books- Im sure there are carrollian quotes relevant to both drafts! SatuSuro 12:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah we're expecting 35 degree heat tommorow - you can have it I'd rather be where my user page photo is - west coast taz- actually if you read freds latest talk - you can see where our relationship is - hes the guildenstern, I'm the rosencrantz. if youre into stoppard at all. SatuSuro 13:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Your discretion is appreciated - its just when I was living in Queenstown, Tasmania I actually was Birdboot in Real Inspector Hound (Queenstown Amateur Dramatic Society - long since defunct) - but the landscape is more King Lear, and Strahan, Tasmania actually has the lanky descendant of the main convict governor Davey - who has directed lear a numberof times... (all of this was very ruedly interrupted by a flurry of gmail messages to and fro) SatuSuro 13:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batu Lintang camp

Hi Jas, a nice draft with impressive detail, well done.

• Length and number of citations my advice would be don't worry about reducing the number of cites at this stage; references don't add much to the size of articles, and it's always better to be on the safe side. There is really nothing wrong with going over the recommended length either, except in circumstances where stuff can easily be hived off into separate articles. I don't see how that could be done here. I s'pose we could have a Japanese internment camps in World War II article, but that is probably a long term project. And not much from your article could actually be removed and shifted to such an article anyway. The only places where I think the main text could be trimmed are Sections 5 and 6 (except 6.1, which needs the detail that you have there).
• Serious military history howlers None that I can see from a quick read.
• Images/copyright In such a big article, it would be OK to use three pics, if not more. With uploading, I will assume you are using a PC with Windows, which is all I've ever used. When you are at the Upload page, click on "browse". A window for one of your folders will appear. You may need to use the "go up one level" button (which has an icon of a folder with a green arrow) to find which ever folder you put the pic in (e.g. "My Pictures"). Once you can see the correct folder, click on the folder icon, then double click on the pic. The location of the pic on your PC should then appear in "Source filename". Fill in "Destination filename" if necessary, with whatever name you choose (preferably including the AWM catologue number, but that isn't compulsory). Then fill in "Summary" with the caption, including as many details as possible (you could just copy and paste from the AWM description). The copyright options under "Licensing" will probably not apply to an AWM pic. 99.9% of pre-1954 pics at the AWM are public domain, but check yours against the criteria/info at Template:PD-Australia, so I usually just type {{PD-Australia}} at the bottom of the Summary and leave "Licensing" blank. Then you just click "Upload File".
• Categories "Category:Internments" and "Category:World War II POW camps" should do it I think.

BTW, when you save the article, I suggest you also change the entry for "Batu Lintang, Kuching" at List of Japanese POW camps during World War II.

If you have any more questions, ask away.

Grant | Talk 06:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

My most recent changes:

• I have restructured a bit, including the merging of some sections and the removal of a few sentences which duplicated other material.
• Removed most of the repeated ranks/titles and first name/initials in front of surnames. "Suga", "Russell", "Eastick" etc are sufficent after the first mention.
• There is no problem in having more pics. I have reduced the size of the pics as they were squashing the text sideways somewhat. There aren't many pics bigger than 300px in most articles. I have also tweaked some using my picture editor, for colour/contrast/light/framing/untidy edges etc and have re-uploaded them.

There isn't a POV problem that I can see. The Good Article criteria are at WP:WIAGA. You can nominate an article for "GA" status at Wikipedia:Good article candidates. Be prepared to make all kinds of minute, fiddly changes. They do say it should be a stable article (i.e. it isn't being changed several times a day) so you may want to leave it for a few days at least while it "settles in" a bit. Grant | Talk 16:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you changed the order of the first two pars in "The end of the war for Batu Lintang". As the air raids started first, I'm inclined to put that par first or, alternatively, to merge the two paragraphs, with the material re-arranged in chronological order.

BTW, if you will indulge me is digression for a minute, I suppose you must have mixed feelings about Batu Lintang, since although it was a horrible place, it allowed your grandparents to meet. A Town Like Alice in real life. Out of interest, has anyone from your family ever been back? I also think the story of the camp would make a great TV series. I mean, I don't know about the UK, but this stuff strikes a chord with so many people here in Australia, because of the personal/family connections to so many POWs. For example, a great uncle whom I never met, was lucky enough to survive the Battle of Sunda Strait and three years in Changi. One of my university lecturers spent his infancy in a civilian internment camp in the Philippines. And so on. Grant | Talk 15:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so I got the wrong end of the stick about your g/ps meeting at BL. I did see Tenko, but was unaware of Keith until I read your articles. There was also a really good series made here, Changi, done in a semi-Dennis Potter style, with 1930s pop music. I don't think it was shown overseas, but is probably available on DVD.

On the point about locals assisting the Allies, I recall that Sgt Jack Wong Sue, a Chinese-Australian who was involved in commando ops in Borneo, recounted how the local Chinese were generally pro-Allied but not always keen to help the Allied cause, and occasionally had to be persuaded at gunpoint to assist. Grant | Talk 01:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batu Lintang flag

Hello, and congratulations on finding my Imageshack account. There goes my privacy...

Anyway, I forgot which book I scanned the photograph from - but most likely it is from The White Rajahs of Sarawak: A Borneo Dynasty by Bob Reece, p. 113. While I am tempted to say that the image is probably usable under the Fair Use clause, the photo credit page of the book says "By courtesy, Professor Bob Recce." They are probably one and the same person, but I believe you should e-mail the professor himself to enquire more - and in the process, maybe he will agree to release more pictures of the camp or Sarawak!

Nice work on the camp's article, by the way. You put me, a local, to shame. ;) – Matthew A. Lockhart ^(talk) 08:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batu Lintang

On 22 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Batu Lintang camp, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 17:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Batu Lintang camp

You're welcome! :) --Camptown 20:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a good question... Read this: Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, and compare the article to current nominations here: FAC - some comments are actually quite constructive... Act of Independence of Lithuania and The Four Stages of Cruelty are two recent DYK nominations, written by a teams of editors who aimed for FA, and made it within a fortnight. Personally, I don't think your article would have too much problem drawing support... --Camptown 21:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely, that's probably a wise strategy. However, don't get discouraged by the fact that other articles were started by teams of people! POV is always a risk when dealing with sensitive isses, and it's probably hard to find 100% neutrality in sources in the study of internment camps. I don't think that the radio part is too exstensive. Possibly, there would be some objections to the overall style, reads like an essay, etc. But I've seen worse... ;) --Camptown 22:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Blimey - having just looked at it properly for the first time, that is a good article! Act of Independence of Lithuania was a team effort, but The Four Stages of Cruelty was mostly written by Yomangani on his own. If you are unsure, you could try getting some comments first at Wikipedia:Peer review, but I agree that it would do well on WP:FAC anyway. Well done. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on military history, but this seems to be a worthy candidate for FA, and doesn't have any obvious weaknesses. It might be easiest to list it for FA, you'll then probably get plenty of suggestions, which you will need to be prepared to address. I'm not sure if peer review is a process that saves any time or effort. Sometimes FA listings get quick approvals.--Grahamec 01:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] note re Batu Lintang camp

Thanks for your eagle-eyed edit, Debivort Jasper33 20:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC) PS Cool user page! Jasper33 20:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. It's a really nice article you've started, particularly for such a new one. Are you trying to get it up to FA status? Debivort 05:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA bid

Well why not? I suggested "Good Article" because I think it's basically there already. FA is somewhat more difficult but well within reach methinks. I will help in any way that I can.

You're right, there is no article on the Services Reconnaissance Department and there should be. The history of military intelligence units in the South West Pacific during WW2 has suffered from their secrecy at the time, the lack of publically available documentation, and the ad hoc and fluid nature of their organisation and interrelationships. I will set about creating a stub. Thanks for pointing out the Tom Harrisson article; I hadn't heard of him before. Maybe I'll also start a "Allied commandos in the South West Pacific during World War II" category, as there a quite afew related articles scattered here and there. Grant | Talk 05:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! IMO the article is ready for a peer review. Just go for it. --Dwaipayan (talk) 10:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as helping out on articles goes, Non, je ne regrette rien (a song which, I just discovered, was adopted by Indonesian nationalists as well as the French Foreign Legion).

I noticed that article by Oot Keat Gin. For some time I've been mulling over where to put a decent account of covert pre-invasion ops in Borneo; probably at Z Special Unit (where it is a section stub). Z seems to have been the main combat unit involved, but there may have been others. The whole matter is complicated by the thicket of alternative names for the organisations concerned, inter-service and inter-national rivalries and the standard obfuscations and smokescreens of military intelligence. But we'll get there in the end. Grant | Talk 06:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Inman camp

or at least he was (just wanted a make a change from the Batu Lintang headings). The lead could do with a bit of expansion but other than that it is first rate. Yomangani^talk 13:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

You may choose any prize from the bottom two shelves (although adding all the Cuba links this morning may have made it slightly too easy). Tossing the pieman unfortunately isn't as exciting as it sounds, but it might make for an interesting disambiguation page. If you need a hand with anything on Orang Utan Camp just drop me a note; the connection here is so slow I can't do anything taxing anyway. (Oh, and they should have run Sylvia Syms over when they had the chance) Yomangani^talk 23:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)