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[edit] Kara-Khitan KhanateKara-Khitan Khanate needs copyediting, verification and general help from someone familiar with Asian history and/or Chinese characters. Added to User:Njál/Desk Kerowyn 02:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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I think this article should be moved to the Kara-Khitai empire, or similar variants. Their administration was primarily imperial, mixed with some Central Asian practices. Khanate doesn't really describe the empire that well--Confuzion 23:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- I would find Western Liao preferable -- and I don't believe doing so would be Sinocentric. The reason is that there is no real evidence that the state ever referred to itself as Kara-Khitan. --Nlu (talk) 02:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- The term Kara-Khitai is likely a post-historical invention, at least in reference to the specific state. The state never referred to itself as Kara-Khitai or Kara-Khitan, as recorded in any official documents from contemporary sources. The term Kara-Khitai came into popular use after the Mongol conquest, and was probably later adopted by Muslims to differentiate it from Khitai/Khitay, since the meaning of Khitai/Khitay had shifted over time to mean northern China. There is only one reference to the term "Kara Khitai" in any historical documents. The document, discovered by archaeologists, is attributed to the Liao Dynasty and is written in the Khitan small script. It's unclear if Kara Khitai was used to refer to the state or to the people.
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- Calling the state a Khanate is incorrect for many reasons, so moving it to anything else would be an improvement. Since the Khitan of Western Liao did not adopt Islam, the modern Central Asian states have tended to ignore their history; most research on their history have been conducted by the Chinese, thus the inevitable Western backlash against Sino-centrism when it comes to such topics. I agree that Western Liao is the clearest term for naming this state, since they were initially known as the Western Liao (from the Chinese), the Dashi (from the Jurchens) or Khitay/Khitai (from the Persians/Arabs). For whatever reasons, Chinese historians had traditionally considered the state to be a proper Chinese state, probably due to its adoption of Confucianism in government, among other things.--Confuzion 04:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
