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I believe this should become a part of List of Iranians. roozbeh 12:33, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

1. Considering that I have at least 60 other names to add to the list of Iranian scientists and technologists, I dont think combining lists is a good idea. The list of scientists will become too long to fit into another page.
2. We would have to do this sooner or later anyway, since there is a 32k limit on all wikipedia page lengths.
3. The Iranian list all by itself has room for much expansion; for example the sports list is very incomplete, and there are 200-300 classical poets and writers before 20th century that are not listed, but should be.
4. When we lump everyone into one list, it will be hard to categorize them properly on wikipedia.
5. Others are doing it too. Example: List_of_Scottish_scientists--Zereshk 20:57, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So far added 122 to the list that was already there. Will add another 100 or so distinguished Iranian scientists soon again. I hope we dont run out of space here. Otherwise we'll have to further separate the list.--Zereshk 00:25, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Philosophers aren't usually considered scientists, especially mystic philosophers. Art LaPella 06:01, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Today, perhaps. But not in those days. Even Avicenna was a philosopher and had many ideas and arguments in philosophical debates. In those days, the scientist and philosophers were essentially the same thing. Perhaps we should mention this at the top of the page for clarification. --Zereshk 22:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Then maybe a better translation of what you mean into modern language would be "wise men", not "scientists". I'm American, but it sounds normal to call Confucius or Plato a wise man, and it sounds weird to call them scientists. Descartes, or Pythagoras, was both a scientist and a philosopher, but that doesn't make philosophy a science, as that word is used by readers of English Wikipedia. Art LaPella 00:07, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

A concise short list of Iranian geology workers with scientific qualifications? Logo. Why not?

Nevertheless, someone who is both a scientist and a philosopher by today's definitions, can still be listed on a "list of scientists". Cant they? But personally, "Scholars" perhaps would be a better suiting word I presume. No?--Zereshk 03:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Descartes or Avicenna can be called a scientist, and philosophers can be called scholars. I only objected to calling philosophers scientists, unless they also did something scientific. Art LaPella 04:03, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I think "scholars" would be a more inclusive word.--Zereshk 01:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

And I wish I had thought of it. Since you also have a page called contemporary Iranian scientists and engineers, do you think this page should be renamed "List of non-contemporary Iranian scholars"? I've done Wikipedia name changes before if that's a problem.Art LaPella 02:45, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

"List of non-contemporary Iranian scholars"? eeee. Sounds kinda awkward. Can you think of anything better perhaps?--Zereshk 03:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes

I couldn't help but notice so many mistakes concerning the profession of Physics. A person who studies, teaches or researches the science of physics is referred to as a Physicist and NOT a Physician as this article refers to. Please consider changing Physcian to Physicist. A physician (Physio) is a person who practices Physiotheraphy not Physics.

Thanks.

It would be best if you pointed out which ones are you exacyly refering to.

One must be careful. Some of these guys were both physicians and physicists. Polymaths were common in the classical era.

But alot of them were in fact only physicians.--Zereshk 03:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disclaimer

Since in the Iranian list, there are scientists and scholars who's ethnicity (as most iranian editor claim) is not clear, e.g. Geber, Alhazen, Al-Farabi,etc, the following disclamier will be added as in List of Arab scientists and scholars.

...In some cases, their exact ancestry is unclear. They may have emigrated or immigrated, and thus may appear in other "Lists of...", but nevertheless their names and work are somehow linked to the words "Iranian".

Jidan 11:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough.--Zereshk 21:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Look Zereshk. You can add all arab scienstist in your list, I really don't mind. Infact, It will be an honour for every arab to be included in an Iranian list. Most of the Iranian editors dont share my opinion. They wont allow me to add scholars like Al-Khwarizmi or Al-Karkhi, which thier ethnicity is not certain. Jidan 22:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I cant convince everyone of everything. Im not their leader.--Zereshk 01:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course you are thier leader ;-). No Iranian editor has ever contributed more to wikipedia than you. Jidan 04:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

You shouldn't mistake those who wrote in arabic to spread their knowledge with arabs. In todays world also all scientists write in english to spread their knowledge even if they are not from a enlish spoken country.

[edit] List of Iranians...??

The disclaimer at the top says:

By "Iranian", all the peoples of historic Persia are meant, i.e. what is today Iran, Afghanistan, and all the countries of Central Asia ("common modern definition") that were historically part of the Persian empire .

This is a ridiculus statement. Iranians are simply all people that come from Iran. Many great names like Al-Farabi (from Turkestan or Afghinistan), Al-Biruni (from Uzbikastan), or Avicenna(from Uzbikastan) are not from Iran, so why are they (among others) listed in the list of Iranians ??? Jidan 00:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaking what the west called Persia with Iran. Iran (i.e Greater Iran)is all of those territories that you mentioned. Iran has relatively recently broken up (within the past 300 years) and what Iran is today is what is left of what Iran was. That does not mean these people were not Iranians. They certainly were not from Uzbekistan or Afghanistan, etc... because all of these nations are relatively new, especially in the case of Uzbekistan, which is a very new nation. Claiming these people as Afghani or Uzbek because they lived in an area which eventually became "Uzbekistan" or "Afghanistan" is like calling the Aztecs Mexican because they lived in what later became Mexico. These people hailed from Iranian areas, and many of them were Iranian linguistically, culturally, etc...Azerbaijani 04:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Iranian here means ethnic Iranians . Just like all Arabs are not from Arabia. Avicenna was from Balkh which is still Persian speaking. Biruni was Khwarazmian (Persian). About Farabi sources exist that he is Persian and some sources he is Turkish. Afghanistan(19th century) and Uzbekistan(20th century) were created much later. --alidoostzadeh 05:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)