Talk:List of State Routes in New York

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This is a bizarre list. From Routes 1 through 33, just about every single route is listed, no matter how obscure. For higher route numbers, the coverage is very spotty, and even misses some important routes. We should either limit this list to relatively long and/or important routes (probably preferable), or give a complete listing, not just the lower numbers. -- Ithacagorges 03:04 6 July 2005 (UTC)

This is a list under development, please feel free to help build it. --Censorwolf 14:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe that every route in NYS is now listed, which would make the incomplete list template on the main page unnecessary. --TwinsMetsFan 18:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Blank New York State Highway shield 2 Lists and Categories 3 Comments moved from article 4 table-izing 5 Decommissioned 6 Initial routes 7 Possible earlier reference routes 8 Towns or Post Offices 9 US 220 10 Reorganizing this list 11 Reference Markers 12 NY 9C

[edit] Blank New York State Highway shield

I made this blank New York State Highway shield by taking Image:NY-17.png and erasing the numbers using Paint Shop Pro. You need the Roadgeek fonts (specifically Series D) for the numbers. This template can also be found on my user page. --Kuroki Mio 2006 22:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

An SVG would be nice, though. Exactly where should numbers be positioned? This one is just for 1 and 2 digits, right? Does anyone know where I can find the exact dimensions for the purpose of making an SVG? I suppose they are in the NYSDOT MUTCD, but the FAQ says you need to pay $40 for it. --Chris 00:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll make an SVG later. Anyways, this shield is for the 1 and 2 digit NY highways. I made some of the shields using Paint Shop Pro, centering the numbers on the shield. --Kuroki Mio 2006 00:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists and Categories

I think I may have seen this discussion elsewhere and maybe it's been settled already, if so please educate me. We have a number of pages for "New York State Highway N" where N is the number, and each belongs in the category "New York state highways". So far so good. Now why do we have a page called "List of State Routes in New York"? Does this include routes that are not state highways? If not, shouldn't it be "List of New York state highways"? --Censorwolf 20:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Since this includes all numbered routes within NY, this list should probably be renamed to "List of numbered routes in New York" or better yet just "List of routes in New York" since "numbered" is superfluous. Including US routes and Interstates makes the name incorrect, so either what is included on the list has change or the name has to change. --Censorwolf 17:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

nevermind --Censorwolf 17:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments moved from article

Please note that the new naming standard is "New York State Route N" where N is the route number. You can help by moving the articles named "...Highway..." to "...Route..." and change all the links in articles that point to the "Highway" page to instead point to the "Route" page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Censorwolf (talk • contribs).

Redirects should be made for the non-primary names. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 21:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] table-izing

I mean to table-ize the interstates, us and decom'd routes also, but stopped at the 900's for now. It looks nicer, but it does make it more difficult to modify. --Censorwolf 17:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC

All of the tables will be converted to the new format ASAP. However, the directions on my earlier tables need to be fixed (as some display directions as north/south and east/west, when it should read south/north and west/east). --TwinsMetsFan 16:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

All of the tables have been converted. --TwinsMetsFan 16:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Decommissioned

Any reason to keep decommissioned routes in this list? Are we going to make articles for these? I can see if an article appears on a decomd route to add it to the list, but otherwise we should remove them no? For example:

New York State Route 1B - Decommissioned 1956
New York State Route 1X - Decommissioned 1946

Comments anyone? --Censorwolf 14:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I am removing the above mentioned routes from the list. They can be added in if an article gets created. --Censorwolf 16:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Please don't remove routes like this - it's more work all around. These articles will be made eventually. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 15:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with SPUI. That's why I've been adding every decom'd route to the list as I've been revamping the tables. When completed, the only routes that shouldn't be listed are ones that have never been assigned (such as route 478).--TwinsMetsFan 16:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

On a similar note, I had an idea one night to place all of the decommissioned state routes in either a separate table or on a separate page (List of Decommissioned State Routes in New York, for example) and create a route box and a List of State Routes box for the bottom of each decom'd page exclusively for decommissioned routes (as the decom'd entry in the existing route box does not work). Any thoughts? --TwinsMetsFan 16:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I have recently added decommissioned routes 339 and 154 to list of pages. 339 is renamed as a county route, and 154 still has some reference markers on 355, so it's possible to tell part of that route. I still have to drive out and get the actual distance of 154. --Fwgoebel 15:22, 18 Nov 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Initial routes

At least some were assigned to auto trails:

• NY Route 1 (and New England Route 1): Boston Post Road
• NY Route 3: west side of the Hudson?? (how far north?)
• NY Route 5 (and New England Route 5): Yellowstone Trail
• NY Route 6: east side of the Hudson to Albany, Loudonville - Latham - Cohoes - Mechanicsville - Saratoga Springs - how far? What was US 9 between Albany and Cohoes? What was US 9E between Rensselaer and Waterford?
• NY Route 9: (Binghamton?? -) Schenectady - Troy - Vermont - New England Route 9
• NY Route 10: west side of the Hudson to Albany, then how? at least in 1928, Schenectady - Saratoga Springs - Corinth - Lake George - Chestertown - etc
• NY Route 17: Liberty Highway (Southern Tier Route)
• NY Route 18: Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway
• NY Route 25: Jericho Turnpike

Unfortunately I lack a pre-1926 map of New York. --SPUI (T - C) 03:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

New_York_State_Route_392 might be pretty old, I'm not sure. Blah42 09:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible earlier reference routes

From [1]

• New York State Route 2X: New York State Route 900G
• New York State Route 546: New York State Route 914T
• New York State Route 656: New York State Route 911E
• New York State Route 815?: New York State Route 950D
• New York State Route 819: New York State Route 911P
• New York State Route 821: New York State Route 987H (Bear Mountain State Parkway)
• New York State Route 822: New York State Route 911T
• New York State Route 823: New York State Route 911U
• New York State Route 856: New York State Route 960B
• New York State Route 862: New York State Route 920P
• New York State Route 903: New York State Route 910L
• New York State Route 904: New York State Route 900B
• New York State Route 919: New York State Route 921B
• New York State Route 922: New York State Route 921E
• New York State Route 927: New York State Route 920T
• New York State Route 928: New York State Route 921G
• New York State Route 949: New York State Route 911F
• New York State Route 950?: New York State Route 911G
• New York State Route 951: New York State Route 911H
• New York State Route 958: New York State Route 980D
• New York State Route 960?: New York State Route 960M/New York State Route 960U
• New York State Route 962: New York State Route 980J
• New York State Route 970?: New York State Route 970E
• New York State Route 979: New York State Route 981M

I saw 821 in purple (I think meaning proposed) on a USGS topographical map. --Chris 22:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Typically, Chris, the color purple on USGS topographical maps signifies that the road was added between two fully mapped editions. --Ebac on keyboard 17:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ebac is correct in this regard. On the bottom of USGS topos with purple roads and buildings is a date, usually near the date that the map was originally made, that states when the purple marks were added (in other words, when the revision occurred). --TMF ^{T - C} 06:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Towns or Post Offices

Should the termini be listed by the town they are in or the post office. Where I come from, the two are often different, and it seems like this list is not consistent as to which it uses. IMO, it could work either way, but it should be uniform. --Chris 19:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Err nevermind. I've been gone a while. It looks like it should be the municipality. --Chris 22:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US 220

US 220 is not listed in the NYSDOT route logs. I can't seem to find a Reference Route or County Route number either. It does appear that the short segment in NY is signed as US 220, but is it a state highway or state maintained at all? --Polaron | Talk 14:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It's probably not listed because it's locally maintained - see the NYSDOT map on [2]. --SPUI (T - C) 23:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Added a note on the List of US Routes in NY to clarify. --Polaron | Talk 23:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Point of information: US 220 shield appears on the section of NY 17/Future I-86 that's within Pennsylvania, so it's on a NYSDOT-maintained Big Green Sign. It is, however, maintained locally. It's terminus is (was?) Main Street in Waverly, NY which was at the time, NY 17 (and fully in New York). Definitely worth mentioning on these pages. Fwgoebel 15:25, 18 Nov 2006

[edit] Reorganizing this list

There has to be a better way to organize this list while preserving all of the information presented. For example, all of the decommissioned routes could be split off into their own section of the page.

Then again, is it necessary to have the termini for all of the routes? I can see the purpose of listing the termini for routes that have no article written about them yet, but for routes that have an article written for it (which is at least 60-70% of the routes at time of writing), this seems a bit redundant. With that said, here's some ideas:

• Break the page into four main sections:
  • Current State Routes
    • Routes 1-99
    • Routes 100-199, etc.
  • Decommissioned State Routes
  • Interstate Highways in New York
  • U.S./Federal Highways in New York
• Remove the termini information for all routes that have an article that sufficiently contains this information (through a routebox, intro paragraph, etc.).
• Add a few sections about the state road system itself, such as its history, links to the 1930 renumbering, areas with similarly numbered routes (the 100 and 110-series on Long Island as an example), etc.

Why is this reorganization necessary in my opinion? I've viewed the state road lists for other states and they are, for the most part, clean, straightforward, and to the point while being concise in the process. In comparison, this list is a bit cumbersome, to edit, to use, and to load (for users on slower connections). All thoughts and comments are welcome. --TMF ^{T - C} 19:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the termini are important. It allows a person browsing the routes to know at a glance what parts of the state the highways cover. I also think information about the state road system itself needs to be in a separate article (this is just supposed to be a list). Powers ^T 14:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Eventually, what'd I'd like to see is something like a mix of North Carolina Highway System and Michigan highway system, minus the state route shields. Who knows, after looking at the Michigan article, maybe all this list needs is some reorganization or cleanup. I think if we did something like the MI page, we'd be able to have information on the system as well as maintain all of the information present.

I also like the Ohio approach, by splitting the list up into subpages with, in NY's case, List of numbered highways in New York acting as a portal page. Perhaps a blend of all three would be best. Thoughts? --TMF ^{T - C} 15:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I much prefer using a table as we do now to either of those examples, but that's just me. Powers ^T 23:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Returning to this issue, I noticed that this page is now 165 KB long - far exceeding the recommended article size. That said, this page needs to be split, somehow. Perhaps the Interstates and U.S. routes should be given their own article, as is done in other states. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 17:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup complete. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 02:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference Markers

I'm wondering if there's an interest in doing some work on those little green signs, Reference Markers, sometimes called Tenth Mile Markers, along New York State DOT-maintained roads in New York.

I suppose it could start simple, describing what each of the digits mean, on main roads in regions 1-10 (outside New York City). NYC does operate a bit differently. Beyond that, there are other rules for ramps and access roads, west- or south-bound couplets, etc. Any thoughts? Fwgoebel 20:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A separate article for reference markers already exists at List of New York State Reference Routes, but if you'd like to expand on that article, that'd be great. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 20:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if that's necessarily the best place for an article about the little green signs themselves...what's there is an (incomplete?) list of Reference Routes, and how they differ from Touring Routes. An article about the Reference Markers themselves would probably be buried in a list like that...I'm wondering if it's better a little higher up on the hierarchy, since the markers themselves are on every highway and non-Thruway Interstate. I suppose that, once completed, it would be an ideal "See also" to put at the bottom of every state highway article. But enough about that for now...I just got done driving the length of old NY 154 so I can finish that article, plus put up NY 295, 203, and 150. Fwgoebel 01:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NY 9C

Did NY 9C ever exist? I can't seem to find any information on it. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 05:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There is some information in the copy of the 1930 Automobile Green Book that I have. It appears that in 1930, US 9W was still designated north of Albany up to Waterford. However, from Albany to Waterford, it ran along modern day NY 32. NY 9C was the designation for the present US 9 from Albany to Malta (Albany - Latham - Halfmoon - Malta). At this time, US 9 ran along modern US 4 from Rensselaer to Mechanicville (US 4 was only designated up to Glens Falls), then NY 67 to Malta. North of Malta it coincides with modern US 9. --Polaron | Talk 06:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that information. Good find. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 07:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)