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[edit] Some random discussion
--- This edit remvoed It is also suspected that Nokia has discontinued manufacturing the N-Gage, and industry analysts estimate worldwide sales of the N-Gage system have been less than 30,000. Given that the n-Gage arena, and otehr AN-Gage sites are reporting in excess of 100,000 unique visitors a month. Perhaps a link to these "analysts" might help" ---
Doubtful that the N-Gage will be a big enough failure to bankrupt Nokia (not based on any relevant sales data - simply because none has been published)
There is a negative air about the entire article.
I have tried to "unbias" this article Tda
- I don't know, IMO it seems to lean a little towards the N-Gage now. But it's close, so I won't tamper.--Headcase 22:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Couple of suggested factual corrections -
Unit sales of the devices are now confirmed by Nokia in several places ( do your own searching ) to be 2 million devices.
Also, the typical unit price for SIM-free has been around $150 for nearly a year now, not $250-300. check gamestation.com and many others.
Finally, on a more subjective note, the new generation of games being released now - Rifts, One etc. are awesome. But I doubt anyone is making money from these games because piracy is rife on the platform.
I think the neutrality dispute notice can be removed. The article still needs to be injected with more basic info about what you can do with an N-Gage. --Mrwojo 06:54, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
[edit] List of N-Gage games
Surely we don't need a link to a list of games plus virtually the whole list replicated in the body of the article.
What about including a notable games list (should be relatively short - ha ha). Or a brief summary of the strategy with the games - trying to build up connectivity in their games and the n-gage arena. --Tomheaton 09:59, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It reads like an obit, which would be more appropriate if the subject matter were affirmatively dead.
Yes we do need a list of ngage games i have just hit this place looking for it Please people post a list of ngage games here!!! :)
== WHAT NGAGE CAN DO == THINK POSITIVE
YOU DONT THINK RIGHT
Hi! I am Ngage user for a year now, and this is what I can tell:
- You are completely unrealistic. I have got my Ngage original and added 256mb
- It is a PC flashdisk, MP3 player with good stereo sound, mono portable sound player, FM
- Can USE all Symbian 60 and Java software + Ngage games, best of all cellphone gaming!
- It is excellent game deck with killer games like Asphalt, Call Of Duty or Tomb Raider
that any PC won`t be ashamed of, cute games like Bomberman and more RPG and straegies, sims are coming to make it more serious (Sims, that Chaos thing, Pathway To Glory) ALSO GAMES CAN BE PLAYED IN BLUETOOTH CHALLENGE AMONG NGAGE USERS (bomberman in 4 players - my personal favourite since Amiga days) plus in ARENA (net) which wery few or none of other handy consoles support (unique features)
- Just think that this toy has both USB and Bluetooth and GPS: CONNECTIVITY
- And think that this phone can play MP3,JPEG and xVID in your hand. To remind
you just that these are current most widespread and best compression alghoritms
- Symbian Series 60 is excellent platform: PDF viewers, DivX players, small Office suites,
answering machines ... possibilities are unlimited - you can control PC, play a Powerpoint to PC via bluetooth, do many things!
- It`s not true you need to switch MMC card :-) Get warez games and just copy it
to the card ... painfull for world of paid software, but true
- Just to show how 256MB is much:
mp3pro file of 3 minutes is 1.5mb, np3 in 160k 3 min is about 5mb xVID of 60 minutes is 40MB prepared for ngage Many many documents from PC and pictures can be stored in just 10MB Ngage game is about 8-20MB Symbian software or cool game like PANG is just 200-500K
- And it support 512MB - 2GB of cheapest normal MMC Cards
- SIDETALKING THING:
Yes you can SIDETALK, it makes me laugh too, but you can also use it like SPEAKERPHONE, put it few meters away and SPEAK because it has MIC and SPEAKER, like your Speakerrphone home phone.
I know 7650 can do this too, I am not sure how many phones has it ANd yes you have coolest stereoheadphones with handsfree. So you play games, listen mp3s, do what ya like, and when calls comes it just pauses, you do the talk, when it ends you continue. This makes it best handsfree phone I know.
- It can play Mp3 as ringtone, Symbian can multitask, you can have different profiles, it is one of the best phones in its price range, if you take away megapixel crapy camera, better than most Nokia phones (even fancy 6600), Motorolas and Sony Ericsson up to fancy Motorola A925/1000 series or Sony Ericsson P series which cost 300$+
- And you can get it for just 100$ used or 150$ new if you look good - Only phone with game keypad + MP3 key + FM key
And now ... what is the best smartphone in 150$ price range?
Be smart, don`t just look for games, look for features
So NGAGE is:
- Standard S60 phone with many features (Java, Symbian 60)
- Only S60 smartphone with speakerphone, stereo sound, handsfree stereo phones,
FM tuner, built in MP3 and FM software and keys
- 4 mb in phone, 32MB MMC, expandable to 2GB by cheap MMC cards
- High connectivity phone: USB 1.0, Bluetooth, GPS
- Triband phone: can be used in most of civilized world,
except fancy parts that don`t respect standards
- A nice mono player of sound wherewher you are
- Nice gaming console, better than all other phones, comparable
to Gameboy Color
- Unlimited PDA like device thanks to Symbian community
- Excellent multidevice including Flashdisk, not to mention
phone, mp3 player, xVID player, game deck, a PDA like device ...
- And yes, what is a problem just to let your phone charge during
the night?
About Ngage games: Ngage features (Symbian 6.1, 4096 colours, stereo sound) and CPU are same like in other S60 phones after 7650. So there are no many reasons why Ngage games won`t work when copied to them, except software blockades. So, small cracks that make them run on Nokia 6600 are already there. I will ask my friend to test it.
So if you ask me Ngage2 would have:
- 2 MMC card slots, and would come with 256MB MMC
- Bluetooth stereo headphones
- Symbian 9 + UIQ (see list of thigies Symbian 9 supports at Symbian site and how UIQ interfrace looks like at UIQ.com)
- 64k touchscreen and pen
- Ngage QD design with MP3/FM keys
- 2 x batteries of best quality to endure longlivity
- Included and registred Opera, PDF viewer and small office
- No keyboard at all - a virtual QWERTY keyboard via lightpen,
hence reduced size and more multimedia keys
- Better support from gaming community, YES!
- USB2, Bluetooth and EDGE for connectivity
- ATI 3D Chip for phones (DirectX 8 I think)
- Bluetooth hendshfree stereo as on Motorola A1000
- At least 128MB MMC and 32MB in phone
And I would market it for $200 :-) But as a phone and PDA too ... So change your article, it simply NOT realistic and based on snobbish reviews from fancy Japanese and Americans that couldn`t use it or seen it as bad gaming console
user:Rastavox
This article seems a little too positive now. I don't see the reason to shy away from what the system is most famour for - being an almost universal failure. Sure, convey the promise of future developments, but there is little in the current system that any realist could point a positive finger towards. Lets face it, N-Gage was trounced by Nintendo and Sony because it didn't stack up.
Well judge it as you wish, but I use it so I know. There are very few phones that can do it too, and they cost much more. 2 million sold decks is a good result - you are way too hursh because you look it only as a console. Still people admire Ngage features, wherever I find them I find it hard to believe that its just a 100$+ unit. Any fancy phone with camera costs more.
And you still haven`t listed anything but criticism on page. Which phone has such a good games, bluetooth and internet play? None. Such a good features as mp3 player (stereo sound, connection to any sound system via cable, only MMC card is a limit)
So look it as a phone - as it is. And don`t separate QD and Ngage. QD is just more game pleasable modification. And I still see Ngage community growing , games realised and decks sold - so your DEAD and BANCROPCY thinhs are stupid. Please reconsider page edit or I`ll do it in my positive way. And maybe I`ll get newer phone] but won`t drop my multimedia toy once I equip it with 2GB MMC.
You are obviously not an Ngage user but a critic.
user:Rastavox
...Wow. A little formatting would've really you, Rastavox, I think. Remember, just as with the Helio: They are shying away from the original intention of the device: to be a *phone*. I don't care that my Kyocera SoHo lacks JPEG support, can't play MP3s, and doesn't include a fancy web browser, because it's my cell phone. When I need to make a call, it does a damn good job of it. Ahanix1989 21:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ngage dead
I dont understand one thing. This is PHONE, people PHONE, produced in October 2003. Most phones sold out and dont have any support one year after. Now Its 2006 and I have High Seize and Civilization on my Ngage. No phone in its range has its features. First competative hand console costs at leasts twice and does not offer all phone and utility features of Symbian 6. It is one of few phones with its line of software (games) which yes, technicly can work on any Symbian 6+ phone with MMC slot (such as popular 6600) but no one made the work. With just 256mb so many productivity Symbian applications, games can be run, and it is a USB flashdisk disk, JPEG viewer, Btooeth communication and mp3 player too. It is cheapest Symbian phone at all, at far from worse (if you take away camera, most of 3600,3700,6600+ smartphones are the same with minor updates, and up to 100% higher price than Ngage).
Try running SmartMovie (xVID player), AgileMessanger (ICQ/MSN),UltraMp3 (nicer mp3 player), ControlFreak (control PC),ProRite viewer (viewer), RepliGo Office (Office viewer), Opera (web browser) and you will expand it beyond limits of its class at expense cheaper than a new phone plus with just few MBs of MMC card lost.
When you want games, tell me how many PHONES around can run such nice TOMB RAIDER, WORMS WORLD PARTY, CIVILIZATION, CALL OF DUTY, ASPHALT 2 (NFS clone), ONE ... etc. etc.?
And just for 100$ + software. Obviously, you dont use it and you dont know much of it. For a 104Mhz CPU, I wonder how it does it all :-)
And you call it failure.
And you call it dead but it still being sold worldwide, not only in India.
--Rastavox 01:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- When judged as a PHONE, it's done well. When judged as a games console, which is what Nokia were trying to do, it was a hideous failure. Even Nokia themselves admitted they were unhappy with the sales of the N-Gage. Emcee N 15:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- It's actually pretty unfortunate that Nokia botched the N-Gage the way they did. Were it marketed correctly (i.e. not as a gaming system, and instead as a step between a regular phone and a PDA) I have no doubt it would have been a resounding success. I mean hell... Look at the Blackberry. The capabilities of an N-Gage compared to the Blackberry are actually fairly similar.
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- The problem, of course, is that Nokia tried to push it in GameStop, EB Games and other stores. Most gamers would have enjoyed secondary functions in their gaming systems (for example, a Nintendo DS that also had a phone would be pretty awesome) but when you get to the core of it they're going to be buying it for the games first and the other functions second. And when the games it's offering for it's huge price tag resemble some shoddy GBA games, well...
[edit] Split
I think this article should be split into N-Gage, for the first console, and N-Gage QD for the second version of it. - TALK ®€Ð¦-¦0† TALK 21:43, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
- Both failed for basically the same reasons, both have similar capabilities, and they were released only a year apart. I don't see any reason to split this. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 06:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- Me too. They're both very similar, and it's more convenient to have them on the same page. Coffee 12:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think it should be split. Gerard Foley 10:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- the the n-gage and the n-gage qd are the exact same phone with a few different yet minute features. there is no reason to split them. - jamms.
There is no point in splitting them.66.25.148.124 02:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
I'm wondering where the statement : ". Poor sales were also amplified by game media being standard MMC memory cards without any hardware mechanisms to prevent piracy." Comes from. I didn't see a source listed for this, and I have yet to hear the N-Gage's problems blamed on this.
[edit] White Screen
Where could I put the N-Gage "White Screen of Death" in this article? Sahmeditor 18:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Depressingly Biased
I own an N-Gage. Been using it since 2005. Turns out to be one of the most useful gadgets I've ever owned. Certainly one I can't live without.
Like someone above has said: don't think games; think applications. To me it makes an excellent PDA, a thumb drive that requires no driver, one handy--though a bit slow-loading--mp3 player, and, of course, the coolest side-talking phone in the neighborhood. Did i mention it has great sound that rivals most mp3 players too? Well I admit the loudspeaker sounds a bit ugly but when coupled with some good earbuds it just reveals every little details in a recording. Owns.
The MMC IS indeed hot-swappable. It is only locked in place to prevent you from removing when it's being read, but other than that it can be safely replaced. You will need to break the plastic lock to verify my statement, of course.
Requesting that this article be fixed to NPOV immediately. Thank you.
-- 203.144.160.246 14:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I do not own an N-Gage, but I know enough about it to know that it is biased. I have fixed it up a little, added a LOT of [citation needed] tags and despite all the 'this is why it sucks' comments, I managed to fix it up. I used to make fun of the N-gage too, but the fact is, there are worse game systems and there are worse phones. I tried my best. If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to discuss them here. --Thaddius 14:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Don't forget though, that people are regarding it as a failed game console first and a phone second because that is how it was originally marketed. Even the revisions sympathetic to the N-Gage admit that this is the case. Nokia all along intended to be a "revolution" in the portable games market with the added tag of "oh, and it's also a phone", and most people who have a view to editing this article will have been exposed to that marketing first. For all the de-biasing you intend to do here, and for all the other features of the phone, the simple fact is it failed in its original intended purpose. Emcee N 02:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Its intent was to make a phone that played games... or a game system that acts as a phone according to you. I think it did that quite well. It was a phone... and it played games. Rather than have this article describe 'what it isn't' I thought I'd make it a bit more about 'what it is'. That only seems fair when one considers how un-NPOV it would be to only describe its failing points, which I made an effort to correct. --Thaddius 16:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's intent was also to sell units, and create a brand. That failed miserably. Nokia hasn't given up on the brand, and shouldn't. The whole N-Series should be as good as the N-Gage at gameplaying, without the awwwwwwwwwful form factor. 12:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed. The N-series concept is what they should have done all along, rather than attempt to insist that it was a games console first and a phone second, which they did. Emcee N 05:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- So now we need citations to why the N-Gage is awful? Did you try to market it, or something? Get over it.
- Indeed. The N-series concept is what they should have done all along, rather than attempt to insist that it was a games console first and a phone second, which they did. Emcee N 05:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's intent was also to sell units, and create a brand. That failed miserably. Nokia hasn't given up on the brand, and shouldn't. The whole N-Series should be as good as the N-Gage at gameplaying, without the awwwwwwwwwful form factor. 12:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- Its intent was to make a phone that played games... or a game system that acts as a phone according to you. I think it did that quite well. It was a phone... and it played games. Rather than have this article describe 'what it isn't' I thought I'd make it a bit more about 'what it is'. That only seems fair when one considers how un-NPOV it would be to only describe its failing points, which I made an effort to correct. --Thaddius 16:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Don't forget though, that people are regarding it as a failed game console first and a phone second because that is how it was originally marketed. Even the revisions sympathetic to the N-Gage admit that this is the case. Nokia all along intended to be a "revolution" in the portable games market with the added tag of "oh, and it's also a phone", and most people who have a view to editing this article will have been exposed to that marketing first. For all the de-biasing you intend to do here, and for all the other features of the phone, the simple fact is it failed in its original intended purpose. Emcee N 02:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] N-series
Will the other N-Series games be able to play N-Gage games? Specificaly the N73?
Also, we need a more general article for the general category the N-gage falls in, phones designed for gaming. Mathiastck 18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone should mention the phrase: "You bought an N-Gage didn't you?" --71.248.212.28 14:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] N-Gage is dead
Nokia messed up big time with their flop of a handheld. They seriously though by calling it the GBA's killer, they would garner sucess. Boy was Nokia wrong.
So what? It doesn't mean that this article should be full of criticisms.
- Look, that's what the N-Gage was. That's its role in history. Get. Over. It.
[edit] Excessive [citation needed] tags.
Seriously, there are so many it makes the article look like crap... every sentence there is a [citation needed] tag, even when it's not needed half the time... can we either find sources or cut down on the number of tags, it makes the whole page extremely sloppy and just ugly to read. Additionally there seems to be a lot of POV wording in the article too. --Zikar 03:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Find sources for all of those points and they will magically dissapear. --Thaddius 13:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're missing the point, there doesn't need to be as many, not EVERY little thing needs to have a [citation needed] tag on it. --Zikar 18:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Better idea - stop being a fanboy for the N-Gage! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.144.114.243 (talk • contribs).
- Try to be civil. And sign your posts please (four tildes, ~). As for the fact tags, they're there to provolk some fact checking. Once MOST of the tags are filled in, the rest wil, again, magically dissapear. --Thaddius 17:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Lollerskates. How's that New Coke?
- Try to be civil. And sign your posts please (four tildes, ~). As for the fact tags, they're there to provolk some fact checking. Once MOST of the tags are filled in, the rest wil, again, magically dissapear. --Thaddius 17:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Better idea - stop being a fanboy for the N-Gage! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.144.114.243 (talk • contribs).
- You're missing the point, there doesn't need to be as many, not EVERY little thing needs to have a [citation needed] tag on it. --Zikar 18:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. The tag at the top is enough Glen 17:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dissapointing sales
I've reverted an edit that removed the statement that sales were dissapointing. This is verified by the references, and indeed even Nokia themselves have expressed dissapointment with how the N-Gage fared. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Effects of Piracy on N-gage sales
I fail to see how the line stating that the N-gage had poor sales like most game consoles, as a result of piracy. Even if Piracy did arguably affect game sales, it would have had little negative effect on the number of N-gage consoles sold, and more than likely led to increased sales. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BeckyBeck (talk • contribs) 09:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
- Most ocmpanies make money off of the software sales, not the hardware sales. Manufacturers often barely break even with hardware sales. The Dreamcast, like the Ngage, was easily pirateable and that didn't help its sales either. It's hard to exactly place it as a motivating factor without a source, but it's certainly feasible. --Thaddius 15:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image
Someone keeps inserting an image into the article. Stop doing it. Doctored photos of Shirley Temple are encyclopedic. --Thaddius 15:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Side Talkin!
W00t W00t —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.176.33.52 (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
