Talk:Newark, New Jersey
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[edit] Weequahic Tour
Hello, I am the primary author of this article, and on July 30th, 2006, I am going to be conducting a historical walking tour of the Weequahic section. We are going to be seeing the sights of Elizabeth and Chancellor Avenues. Consider coming. Weequahic Tour
[edit] Neighborhood Photos
Recently I and others have been expanding the list of Newark neighborhoods that have articles written about them. So far University Heights Downtown Newark the Ironbound, Forest Park, Weequahic, and Vailsburg have stubs. Of those articles, only the Ironbound has a single photo.
I feel that the Newark neighborhood articles could be greatly improved by a photograph or two for each. If you spend time in Newark and you have a digital camera, you could help the Brick City out a lot in this way. Personally, I think that the main Newark article is saturated with pictures already. In some places text is obscured.
I have been guilty of inconsistency in a big way, but perhaps for future Newark neighborhood articles, we could use the format, "Neighborhood Name, Newark" rather than "Neighborhood Name, Newark, New Jersey."
- I'm glad you were able to make use of the Newark neighborhoods template that I created some time ago. I would be happy to take some pictures of Newark's neighborhoods, as I spend a great deal of time there.
- As for the neighborhood articles, the reason I used the "Neighborhood Name, Newark, New Jersey" format was to disambiguate, since Newark is a fairly common city name. I think we should still use this format so that people automatically know that the neighborhood is in Newark, New Jersey and not Newark, Delaware, Newark, Ohio or Newark, California. What do you think? Darkcore 21:21, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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- I thought the Neighborhood Name, Newark format was better from the POV of doing searches. At some point, I had written an article just under Vailsburg, Newark, New Jersey. When I tried to do searches for just "Vailsburg, Newark" or "Vailsburg" nothing came up. (I have now put a double of the article up at Vailsburg, Newark)
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- I think neighborhood articles are very dry without photos. Perhaps you could take some photos of University Heights by New Street, right by Robert's Pizza? I think a scene like that shows Newark in its best light. IMO, the best pics are more than just a nice view, they tell you something about the neighborhood. The house I took for the Ironbound has a proud homeowner with Portuguese and American flags up on his fence. The mailbox shows that the house itself has been divided into apartments. I think pics showing ethnic succession can also be very telling. For instance, a German Lutheran church that has been transformed into a Spanish catholic church, or a synagogue into a baptist tabernacle.
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- Creating doubles of articles is a Wiki no-no. If you want to have the Vailsburg, Newark article show up when people search for Vailsburg, simply create a redirect at Vailsburg (as I have done). As for the Neighborhood Name, Newark vs. Neighborhood Name, Newark, New Jersey debate, we can create redirects at NN, Newark to NN, Newark, New Jersey articles (as has been done with the Vailsburg article), so that is not a problem from the point of view of searches. I do think that, whatever we decide, we should apply it to all neighborhood articles for the sake of consistency. Darkcore 23:41, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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- I'm going to defer to you on the nomenclature issue. I used Broadway, Newark, New Jersey for the new article on Broadway I wrote.
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- I made a photography trip to Newark today. I added pics for the Ironbound, Branch Brook Park, and Forest Hill, and took pics for all knew articles on Broadway and Mt. Pleasant Cemetery. I would have taken pictures of Roseville, but I felt like I was doing the city a disservice by taking pictures on a cloudy day. I left University Heights and Downtown for you (and whatever you wish to do). The Ironbound aerial view came from someone’s website.
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- Thank you for the compliments on my Newark work. My hope is that if more people knew what a interesting place Newark was, more people would visit the city, spend money there, and make the place better off. I also want to have a better wikipedia family than New York does (though I’m guilty of improving articles on that)
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- I do have a question, are all of the neighborhoods in the list you have really considered distinct entities in 2005? I mean, the Ironbound, Vailsburg, etc. are definite communities, but are places like Dayton? Also, isn't Society Hill considered a neighborhood?
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- BTW, could you fix the pics I took for the Ironbound? They are on their side.
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- Great pics! Yes, I'd be happy to take some pictures of University Heights and Downtown, which I'll try to do this week. As for the neighborhoods, there is no official "list" of Newark neighborhoods, so I took the names partly from my own knowledge of the city and from this map. The map goes into more specificity divided some neighborhoods into north and south; I didn't bother with that. I'm not sure about Society Hill. Some people see it as distinct, other people see it as being part of University Heights. Darkcore 05:37, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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- That Newark City map is valuable. I'll use its definitions for neighborhood boundaries. Isn't Mt. Pleasant the same as upper Broadway though?
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- Perhaps you could take a pic of some Society Hill townhomes to go with the University Heights article?
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- As soon as I have a day off and the sun is shining I'm going to make more photography trips to Newark. I feel guilty that I took my pictures on such a dreary day. I want to make Newark look nice.
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[edit] Name of Seventh Avenue
The official name of what was the Italian neighborhood of Newark is "Seventh Avenue," but "the First Ward" (I am setting up a redirect at First Ward Newark)and the "North Ward" seem to be more widely used. I am using "the First Ward" to refer to the neighborhood in the historic sense, and "Seventh Avenue" in the modern sense. To refer to the 1950s neighborhood as "Seventh Avenue" would be like calling "the Five Points" "Chinatown."
[edit] Hispanic?
The racial makeup of the city is 26.52% White, 53.46% African American, 0.37% Native American, 1.19% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 14.05% from other races, and 4.36% from two or more races. 29.47% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race. in which category the Portuguese and the Brazilians are into? Nice to see they live in the same street. Portuguese and Brazilians are not hispanic, they are Lusitanian. In fact, the term hispanic is offensive, cause it relates to a Spanish speaker. --Pedro 16:42, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I hope you realise all that terminology comes not from anyone here but from the U.S. Census Bureau. That's the data they have and you can't really change it around because there isn't other data. At best you might simply change a label but that is not very useful. D. G. 00:40, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You can write more about Newark's recovery if you wish. I did mention NJPAC and the Bears' Stadium, I suppose what is missing are mentions to townhomes being built outside downtown. User:Dinopup JSB
'Newark Airport' is now 'Liberty International Airport' but perhaps it shouldn't be changed till we see if the name becomes popular. Newark may once have been a chemical and pharmaceutical manufacturing center, but it isn't now. The only part of Seton Hall University in Newark is its Law School, and it doesn't even have it's own parking lot, so calling it a campus is a bit elevated. The Newark riots of the 1960s which devastated the city and the city's gradual (and incomplete) recovery need mentioning. Someone else
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- Newark Liberty International Aiport should be kept up, but perhaps it should say usually or often referred to as Newark Airport because I've never heard anyone not employed by the airport refer to it as Newark Liberty.
Newark Liberty International Airport, actually. D. G. 20:53, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I deleted this paragraph from the article. If you think it's not POV, then please put it back, but it seems rather non-neutral to me:
Because the city changed so rapidly between the late 1960's and the early 1980's, and even residents of Newark's suburbs avoid going to the city very often anymore, Newark has gained the reputation as being something of a national joke in terms of what not to make a city become. It is widely considered throughout the United States to be the most ghetto and undesirable city in the nation. The riots, racial tension, school strikes, and poverty are the least of what has contributed to this national image. The city is also known for having over 200 active gangs, being a popular spot for suburanites from New Jersey to purchase drugs (including most famously singer Whitney Houston), and for having more car thefts each year than New York City and Las Angeles combined, despite having a fraction of either of their land area or population. Thanks mostly to crime in Newark, Essex county--in spite of the fact that it is one of the wealthiest counties in the nation--has more violent crimes per capita and per area than any other county in the nation. Newark is also one of the most polluted cities and areas in the nation, due to its large number of factories. It has also historically been a mafioso hotbed, and is the birthplace of fictional mafia don, Tony Soprano. In general, people joke that the only reason to be in Newark is its beautiful airport and other than that the city has nothing to offer and, to be safe, it is best to avoid the city at all costs. To combat all this bad publicity and the negative international stereotypes and fears of Newark, efforts have been made by several New Jersey governors recently to bring tourism and money into the poverty-stricken city. Little has succeeded, and Newark is probably considered more of a joke by the average American now than ever before.
RickK 05:28, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I don't see how this is anything but neutral. It states accurate facts. I've lived my entire life in suburban Newark. I'd love nothing better than to see Newark become a prosperous city, like how NYC is. But, I know that the things I've written about Newark are things that honestly do happen, unfortunately. The drug dealers from my high school all came from Newark. When people's drug supply runs out, they often trek into Newark to pick more up. It's true that Whitney Houston gets her drugs from Newark. It's true that it's home to mafia dons. It's true that people throughout the nation stereotype it and consider it a shithole. Whenever anyone needs a general example of some place not to want to live/travel to, they mention Newark. Not just people in my area, but people from all over the country, if not the world. It's also true that Newark is the car theft capital of the nation and has more gangs and violent crimes, per capita and per area, than any other city in the country (I learned all this while in Newark, at our county's courthouse, of all places; so don't try to tell me this information is not accurate). It's true that my county is one of the wealthiest counties in the nation, and my state is the wealthiest state in the nation, but it's also true that Newark is one of the poorest and most urban cities in the country. You should be given an idea about Essex County from this article--it's a very diverse place. We have extreme wealth and many celebrity mansions, and we also have extreme, extreme ghettos and poverty. Unless you live here, you can't understand. The fact that you've removed my entire paragraph shows that you're not well-informed about my city. --Anon (66.9.199.120)
It's true that these perceptions are accurate. I'll move the paragraph back into the article, although I do think it could use some work. Surveys, polls, comments made by relevant figure do much more than relying on common knowledge. It'd be very good if we could properly attribute these thoughts about Newark. --cprompt 05:06, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Actually, I changed my mind. We should try to get the content of that paragraph back in the article, but it needs numerous modifications.
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This is an detailed description of Newark. I grew up in one of the neighboring towns, Belleville. What I found odd about the description of Newark was that it totally ignored the Portuguese-American community in the Ironbound, what some old timers also call "Down Neck". If the author is going to discuss the positive attributes of the city, then Ferry Street can't be ignored, as it is the only section of town that is open after dark. I think too often, these discussions of diversity (AKA race) get too focused on Black versus white, and ignore ethnicities like the Portuguese. Notice how the demographics of this page don't even mention the Portuguese or Brazilians. -- anonymous
- They're included under Hispanic. Don't you know what a Hispanic is? Besides, you can't say that the demographics are biased, because these are official stats from the US Census Bureau and the same stats and ethnicities are layed out for every city in the United States. The Census does have more detailed stats than this, down almost to the smallest ethnicities, but typing that all down for every city would take up too much space and would be too much even for Rambot to do. bob rulz 22:59, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Any photographic requests?
I'm attending a university in Newark, so if anyone would like me to take a photos of anything in my area (around Rutgers, NJIT, etc.), leave me a note on my talk page and I'll see what I can do. --cprompt 22:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I think the article needs two more images. The first would be a picture of the skyline. This picture could be put at the top of the article. I briefly had a skyline photo from gonewark.com up, but then I realized it was copyrighted.
The other photo I think we need is something of an abandoned factory, even though it's depressing. This could illustrate deindustrialization better than anything verbal. I think there is an abandoned Westinghouse factory somewhere on the south side of 280 that we could use. Maybe a photo with the Westinghouse sign itself? User:Dinopup JSB
You should get on the top floor of the Rutgers or the NJIT or the UMDNJ parking decks and take some pics. if you go to NJIT tell Sargent Daily, George The Greek says hi :) -- Project2501a 11:10, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Is Newark the third oldest British city?
Newark may be the third oldest British city (maybe) but what about Saint Augustine and Santa Fe, etc. ? Rmhermen 23:19, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
- You're right that if you count St. Augustine and Santa Fe, Newark can't claim to be the third oldest city in the US. It all depends on your definition of "city" though. Santa Fe has fewer than 60,000 ppl. The Newark boosters who make the 3rd oldest claim are counting a city as 250,000 and up.
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- What about Tucson, Arizona? At at population of nearly 500,000 it certainly qualifies as a city, or at least larger than Newark. According to its article, it has been continuously inhabited for an amazing 9,000 years! Europeans didn't arrive until 1692 and it's only been part of the U.S. for the past 150 years or so. --Polynova 03:51, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Newark isn't as bad as Camden
I've been to Newark on several occasions and I can honestly say that Camden in South Jersey, across from Philadelphia, is far worse than Newark could ever be. The crime rate in Camden has earned the little city a place on the top 10 most dangerous cities every year since at least 1993. And of those years Camden has placed 2nd on the list but usually stays around 4th or 5th Most dangerous. Newark on the other hand might be placed in the top 10, but usually floats in the range of 11th-15th. This list is of all cities with populations of 75,000 or higher. I'm 28, and this topic of the worst or dangerous cities has always fascinated me. Newark has an attractive downtown and cultural distrist. Camden is also the poorest city (over 75,000) in the country. Camden, like Newark is going through a redevelopment stage now. State troopers patrol Camden, and the state is controlling the government and schools here. Never heard that about Newark. Any comments send to jerseykakarot@aol.com as I love discussing this topic.
[edit] Citations
Why the citations? This isn't an essay, it's an encyclopedia article. Darkcore 22:30, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I added the citations because I found a wikipedian (User:Taxman/Featured articles with references problems) who keeps track of what's good and what needs improvement in the Featured Articles category. This person criticized the Newark article for having no citations at all (even though it had a few) - I want the Newark article to be authoritative, so I added the citations. If you are wondering, mnost of the information for the article came from Newark by John Cunningham.
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- On second thought, perhaps the citations look bad. When I have time I'll arrange them so they're at the end of the article.
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- I see that you have been working on the article a lot lately. Do you live in Newark?
I have a few comments about the recent addition of citations. First, the article is citing books/articles that are not listed in the references section (e.g., Crabgrass Frontier), so this needs to be addressed. Second, the bracketing style of referencing makes the article look choppy and is somewhat confusing, since it is inconsistent (sometimes the bracket notes the name of the book or the author of the book or both, and it also uses "Ibid" which is never used with the bracketing style). I think it would be better to use an endnote style, which would not detract from the flow of the text and would allow for references to still be included. Darkcore 22:02, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Maps
The map, Location of Newark in New Jersey, Media:Njmapnewark.jpg doesn't have enough detail. It just shows the shape of the state and the county boundaries. Thus, it won't help readers who aren't familiar with the geography of the area.
I would prefer to see two maps, one showing the location of New Jersey in relation to the other eastern states, the other on a larger scale showing where Newark lies in relation to the area's main waterways, New York City, and adjacent parts of NJ and NY.
Kudos to you for creating a featured article! --BlairRMartin 17:59, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)
[edit] Balentine + Jasmine's
If you are around Newark, you oughta go down to Jasmine's, one of Newark's OLDEST bars, it's on raymond + central, next to NJIT, ask for a bottle of Balentine, newark's own fine beer :)
and with that thought i'm off to research about balentine so i can insert it in the article
Project2501a 00:27, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- let there be beer: http://www.maproom.com/beers/balentin.htm Project2501a 00:45, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Pick up your microphones.... pick up your microphones.... pick up your microphones.... How many mics do we rip on the daily How many mics do we rip on the daily Say, me say many money say me say many many many How many mics do we rip on the daily Many money say me say many many many I get mad frustrated when I rhyme Thinkin of all them kids that try to do this for all the wrong reasons ...
Appetite to write in wikipedia like Fredick Douglas with a slave hand... wikified rhymes. son, what! i compose beats like the E street band. Guess what i'm listening to... Project2501a 09:21, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Kea Tawana's Ark
Have you heard anything about this guys?
http://newark.rutgers.edu/~natalieb/newark.htm (scroll down to "Kea Tawana")
and http://www.publicartreview.org/article.php?id=1265 but they don't have the article on-line...
has anybody heard anything about that.
- I admit I hadn't heard of Kea's ark. It's an interesting story, though I don't know where it would fit in. It probably isn't the most important thing that happened in Newark in the 1980s.Dinopup 01:56, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of Newark-born artists, shouldn't there be an article titled as such? or a whole section in the main article, devoted to intelectuallity in Newark? Shouldn't there be a cultural section that mentions Amiri Baraka, for example? Ok, i'll add some.
Project2501a 09:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Lauryn Hill - Hey, Adam lives in theory, but y'all live in Jersey
[edit] City Box
The article is getting way too cluttered. I removed this box because the information was repeated elsewhere.
I feel that the subtraction of Newark's history has severely hurt the quality of the article. Even though this is still an FA, now this article is scarcely better than most other wikipedia city articles. The article was ratified as an FA with the full history section intact, so I see no need to take it out.Dinopup 2 July 2005 19:53 (UTC)
- I agree that the article is too cluttered but I disagree strongly that the city box should be removed and history section put back in. I made some modifications to clean up the layout, but it is very much time for the history section to be moved to its own article. It does not hurt the article to have the detailed history a click away. --Tysto 2005 July 8 22:47 (UTC)
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- I accept that the city box is going to be part of the article (even though it contributes to clutter). Please keep the history section intact. The article was ratified as a FA with the complete history section, so there is really no consensus that there is a problem with length. What stands out about this Newark article is its history section anyway. Without the history section, this article is no better than scores of other city articles (which, as you know, are mostly lists). I think having the history section in makes the article look less cluttered, since there is more text.
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- I object to sub-articles because I fear that they are unread. One subarticle I wrote, History of the United States Senate, has barely been edited in over a year. No edits = no readers. I worked extremely hard on the history of Newark, so I would like that section to stay where people will see it. Dinopup 9 July 2005 03:19 (UTC)
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- FA status can't be allowed to "freeze" an article. Sub-articles are the standard on Wikipedia for keeping pages at a comfortably readable length. History of New York City has had plenty of recent edits--even in its sub-sub-pages. My guess is that History of the United States Senate is not being edited because to most readers it looks "done." --Tysto 2005 July 9 16:31 (UTC)
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- Because sub-articles are commonly used does not mean that they have to be used. Without the history section, this article on Newark is nothing special. It's the history section that makes this an FA. I consider this to be perfectly readable, even at 60 k. There is still a table of contents, so a reader who only wants to read about culture or neighborhoods can do so. (The culture and neighborhoods sections aren't very good though, and I wrote them).
- I agree that sub-articles are not a requirement. It is my opinion (and the opinion of the person whose edits you reverted) that it is preferable in this case because the main article is too long for casual readers. You object to sub-articles. We object to overlong articles, which the Wikipedia standards define as something beyond 30k. --Tysto 18:04, 2005 July 18 (UTC)
- Because sub-articles are commonly used does not mean that they have to be used. Without the history section, this article on Newark is nothing special. It's the history section that makes this an FA. I consider this to be perfectly readable, even at 60 k. There is still a table of contents, so a reader who only wants to read about culture or neighborhoods can do so. (The culture and neighborhoods sections aren't very good though, and I wrote them).
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- New York City and Newark are incomparable. It's natural that a major metropolis like NYC should have sub-articles. Newark is a little satellite city. There's no reason to force it into a template intended for places like New York which have so much more to be said of them. As for History of the United States Senate, no one, other than me, has even linked to it. Since the Senate article has no post-1945 content, it's impossible that someone could consider it finished. Dinopup 9 July 2005 17:34 (UTC)
- I'm not comparing New York and Newark directly. New York has sub-sub-articles. I'm only suggesting that it is time for Newark to have sub-articles. My suggestion for the History of the Senate is to put a tag on it inviting expansion. --Tysto 18:04, 2005 July 18 (UTC)
- I wrote most of the content for this article and have been its caretaker for a long while. I do not want the history section moved. A casual reader can still skim the full-length history section, or read in detail about the parts of Newark history that he/she wants to find out about. Without its history section, this Newark article loses any claim to FA status.Dinopup 04:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not comparing New York and Newark directly. New York has sub-sub-articles. I'm only suggesting that it is time for Newark to have sub-articles. My suggestion for the History of the Senate is to put a tag on it inviting expansion. --Tysto 18:04, 2005 July 18 (UTC)
- New York City and Newark are incomparable. It's natural that a major metropolis like NYC should have sub-articles. Newark is a little satellite city. There's no reason to force it into a template intended for places like New York which have so much more to be said of them. As for History of the United States Senate, no one, other than me, has even linked to it. Since the Senate article has no post-1945 content, it's impossible that someone could consider it finished. Dinopup 9 July 2005 17:34 (UTC)
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The solution appears to be to continue improving and expanding this excellent article (both current and historical data) until the nonhistory part stands on its own enough that no one feels moving it makes the article as a whole look bare. Just keep improving and eventually budding off more pieces will be acceptable to everyone. 4.250.138.52 07:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry. Still disagree. A compromise would be to summarize each section of the history and move the full text to a sub-article. I'm happy to do this, but I want consensus so it doens't trigger more conservationist reversions. --Tysto 18:04, 2005 July 18 (UTC)
[edit] Negativity?
I added a bit to the "today" paragraph to indicate (as had once been said before but deleted) that Newark is still under the stigma of being a national joke (surely I don't need to provide citations for this.) This comment was summarily removed and replaced by a bunch of links to glowingly positive websites that detail newark's "comeback." I compromised and kept those links but still tacked on a sentance that indicates most people still think of newark as a really, really bad place (a judgment I do NOT share.) I think it's dishonest to pretend that Newark is not still the butt of a huge national joke but I am willing to be less harsh in stating that fact. -unsigned
President Bush and 100 other things are joked about more. EVERY worthwhile thing on earth is the butt of jokes. That doesn't make it encyclopedic. Are you going to add jokes to Poland? or Negro? or New Jersey? WAS 4.250 05:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Newark School of Fine and Industrial Arts
Our Bill Sienkiewicz article says he attended the Newark School of Fine and Industrial Arts, but that's not mentioned here (and I can't find very much about it in google). Is it known under another name? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bringing the article back to FA status
I've been trying, over the past few days, to address some of the concerns regarding this article in hopes of bringing it back to FA status. I haven't made any alterations to the history section (yet) but I've added new sections (which still need to be expanded) to balance out the article a little more. Comments/suggestions are welcome. Darkcore 11:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm glad that you've been working on the article. I wrote this article a few years back, but now I've largely ceased working on it in favor of NewarkologyDinopup 03:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Poverty Statistics
There seem to be no citations for the poverty statistics on the page.Jersey Devil 13:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sports
I changed the sports section to a table, so it looked nicer and figured since there wasn't much to write so far, it was better that way. If there's things you want to change with the table or if you'd rather have text let me know. Or if you just want to make the table prettier or something, go for it cause I'm not too good with that. - 71.1.169.102
[edit] Filming In Newark
There have been a few television shows and films that have filmed in Newark. Most notable in recent years are The Sopranos and War of the Worlds. In the Sopranos, many elements of the opening scene include parts of Newark scenery. When Janice, Tony's sister, is leaving from a train station and he is saying goodbye, they are in front of Newark Penn Station. St. Stephen's Church, a prominent building in The Ironbound, was destroyed in the beginning of War of the Worlds (as was many shops on Ferry St.) This is all I can recall at the moment, but I do know from anecdotal evidence that there has been a long history of films and television shows related to Newark. Wouldn't this warrant adding a section about it? It was mentioned in the section about The Ironbound, but it is an important part of Newark's history and culture nonetheless. --Ihmhi 10:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Brick City
"named by Ron Muhammad who has been a street vendor for 35 years and has a clothing line of the same name" Could you post a source for this.
- Yes, unless a source is provided for that comment it doesn't belong in the article.--Jersey Devil 05:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sharpe James is not the Mayor Any Longer!
isn't Corey Booker the mayor now? THIS ARTICLE IS OUTDATED!!!
- Booker becomes mayor as of July 1, 2006. James is mayor until then. Alansohn 03:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Newark, NJ
I don't understand why Newark, NJ isn't moved to the Newark page. Although Newark in England is pretty well known and obviously much older, it is nearly ten times smaller. The next largest Newark in population (Ohio) is almost 1/6 the size in population (227,267 less). Newark, NJ is also pretty well known nationally because of its location and its history and internationally largely due to its airport. And since people probably don't search "Newark" for the airport, I thought this suggestion merrited some thought. I don't know if there are specific criteria, but if nothing else perhaps it should be listed higher up on the disambiguation since it is the largest city in New Jersey and the largest city called Newark.
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