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Why is the German version linked to "Hu JintaZemin"? -kwertii

A famous fact about the UN incident in Russia seems to be less famous in America - apparently, because nobody can translate what he said properly. He promised to show his opponents "Kuzka's mother". Who Kuzka is remains a mystery, at least to me and the author of that article I read (which also said that the people working on the infamous 57-megaton nuke that was blown up in Novaya Zemlya ("New Land") called it "Mama"; apparently, they thought this must be it). I've seen a cartoon where a kid named Kuzka, son to Baba Yaga, made the same threat. That's their guess.

— "To show somebody the Kuzka's mother" is a Russian idiom meaning "to give someone a hot time", or simply "to punish". — Monedula 23:41, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Kuzka is a diminutive of Kosma, I think, but the phrase is indeed a folk idiom. The "We will bury you" thing is a classic mistranslation, though - what was actually said was more "we'll be at your funeral", i.e. "we'll outlast you". JohnKozak

It was not mis-translation. It was literal translation. Mikkalai 19:23, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Any translation that gets the meaning so wrong is a mistranslation, whether it's "literal" or not. JohnKozak 19 May 2004

Any translation that tries to be smarter than the original is mistranslation as well. In Russian language, "we will bury you" is just as ambiguous as in English. So the real gist is not how it was translated, but what and how he did say. All of us know only pretty well that almost every politician had uttered a couple of blunders. While we probably can readily guess what he really wanted to say, still we laugh or frown. Mikkalai 17:14, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

I was tempted to add

Tenfold denomination of rouble, 1961,

into the list of his domestic economy actions, but I cannot assess the importance of this. Is it worth mentioning? Mikkalai 03:05, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yes. Kwertii 16:43, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I have replaced the second image of Nikita Khrushchev (the one with the quote), with one that:

Doesn't look similar to the first one
Is higher quality
Has a clearer copyright status.

Yes Kwertii, I do agree that more images is better in larger articles, but only when they are of reasonable quality! I hope that no-one objects to my decision. Marknew 19:45, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I second your replacement for another reason: the image you removed is aleready used in another USSR article. Mikkalai

The ISO transliteration looks rather silly. Probably we should not use it at all. — Monedula 23:41, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ukraine or Russia

An intro must be standard, but information must not be lost. Intro says he was born in Urkaine of Russian Empire. You simply deleted this. Please fugure out the correct verion of place of birth or revert. Mikkalai 16:39, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I don't know what you expect. The second paragraph gives his place of birth, and gives it as being in the Kursk province of Russia. I don't see how any information was lost. Everyking 16:57, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Don't you see the difference between Ukraine and Russia (or Russia and Russian Empire)? Be more careful, or you eventually end up with something like "in Kalinovka, near the village of Kursk"(!) (Encarta). Once again, please do your research before removing data or you'll be reverted. Mikkalai 19:17, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I see that difference quite clearly. I don't understand your point at all. I deleted only information that had been entered contrary to the standard style. I do not know if Kalinovka is in the Ukraine or in Russia, only that Kursk, where it is claimed to be, is in Russia. If Kalinovka is really in the Ukraine, make a case for that and change it in the second paragraph. Just don't put it alongside the birth and death dates as Cantus did. As for reverting me, I suggest that instead of wasting time making threats, you should simply act. Everyking 19:38, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm not threatening you in this particular case. I am telling you that you MUST NOT delete data without explanations. If you see a contradiction, you put it on the talk page. Otherwise someone else will come and revert you, seeing no reasonable explanation of deleting some data. As for Kursk being in Russia, it is in Russia today, but at these times it might as well be in Ukraine. (A little quiz: where were Smolensk and Vilnius these times?) That's my point: you acted a bit carelessly in this case. Of course, I will act, when I'll *learn* what actually was it. But I hope you too will be more careful in future. Mikkalai 21:15, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm not going to be "more careful" in the future. This is ridiculous. As I told you to do before, go ahead and revert my corrections and improvements if you want this article to look absurdly cluttered and contradictory. I won't revert back. But will you really do that? I have my doubts, because I suspect you also recognize that it looked ridiculous before my last edit. Everyking 21:37, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I am not going to revert. I agree it looked clumsily. I am only going to figure out correct geography and put it here. That's how it works in wikipedia anyway: someone cleans up, next one cleans up after the cleanup :-) Sorry for being too didactic. Mikkalai 22:06, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Shoe incident

Just a reference or two to back up the Harold Macmillan/Nikita Krushchev shoe incident:

http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=8715

http://www.borderam.com/Prom031023.htm

http://www.civpol.org/portal/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=336

http://www.born-today.com/Today/02-10.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2368397.stm

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=148670

There's even TV footage of it, but I can't reference that here. Jongarrettuk 22:35, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There was none.

Please take a look at what kind of sources you are citing.

What was with McMillan in reality: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/29/newsid_3087000/3087171.stm

Mikkalai 22:39, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It seems the whole shoe-banging incident is in dispute. Perhaps something the controversy should be added. See http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/ktmpost/2003/jul/jul27/features1.htm Adamk 20:45, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

This article seems definitive. It's written by Krushchev's granddaughter. Mintguy (T) 22:50, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have read your reference to http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/29/newsid_3087000/3087171.stm What I put in the article is entirely consistent with that. The version you reverted to is entirely inconsistent with that. Search Macmillan Krushchev and shoe on google and you'll find lots of references. Where is all the research you refer to - maybe if I read it I'd agree with you. Also, I'm puzzled why you prefer the Nepal Times over the BBC? Jongarrettuk 22:49, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK, I've seen the bit on the side in the blue. Since the Macmillan incident is notable, I've added it consistent with the sources and left the shoe incident itself as it was. Jongarrettuk 23:00, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've removed "(Sources do not agree as to whether Khrushchev actually banged his shoe on the table, or merely waved it around.)" because Khrushchev actually banged his shoe on the table and I've seen the film were he banged his shoe on the table. Ericd 19:58, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Since Ericd did not produce any supporting documentation, I reversed his change Kplayer 23:38, 14 Oct 2006 (UTC)

Google Research concluded he did not bang his shoe. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=148670

[edit] Is Khrushchev of Russian or Ukrainian ethnicity?

The Times reported a teenager from UK whom discovered four errors in the latest edition of Encyclopedia Britannica, among them an article on Nikita Khrushchev claimed Khrushchev to be Russian, while he corrected EB by saying he was Ukrainian.

Khrushchev was born in Ukraine, and was a leading Party figure in Soviet Ukraine in the 1930s and 40s. This however, did not necessarily concludes that he was of Ukrainian ethnic origin.

He was not. Mikkalai 06:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In the case of Leonid Brezhnev, who was also born in Ukraine, was actually Russian in ethnicity.

Could anyone verify Nikita Khrushchev's ethnicity? Thanks in advance. Sandmann 12:10, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

He was born in the Russia in a peasant family, so I think it's safe to assume he is Russian. Maybe we can find a confirmation in his memoirs? 12:32, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There had been plenty of resettlement in the Soviet Union, and I believe the Kursk Guberniya is close to Ukraine anyway, so it's not safe to assume anything of the sort. —Michael Z. 2005-03-26 23:27 Z

He was not born in Soviet Union. But I agree that it is not up to guessing based on the place of birth. Mikkalai 06:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Woops; I was thinking of the wrong century altogether. —Michael Z. 2005-03-27 06:41 Z

[edit] Khrushchev memoirs

СНОВА НА УКРАИНЕ

1938 год. Вызывает меня Сталин и говорит: "Мы хотим послать Вас на Украину, чтобы Вы возглавили там партийную организацию. Косиор перейдет в Москву к Молотову первым заместителем Председателя Совета Народных Комиссаров и председателем Комиссии советского контроля". Тут Сталин выразил явное недовольство Косиором. Я уже знал со слов Кагановича, что Косиором были недовольны. Каганович по поручению Сталина ездил и "помогал" Косиору и Постышеву "навести порядок". А наведение порядка заключалось в арестах людей. Тогда же распространили слух, что Косиор не справляется со своим делом. Я стал отказываться, так как знал Украину и считал, что не справлюсь: слишком велика шапка, не по мне она. Я просил не посылать меня, потому что не подготовлен к тому, чтобы занять такой пост. Сталин начал меня подбадривать. Тогда я ответил: "Кроме того, существует и национальный вопрос. Я человек русский; хотя и понимаю украинский язык, но не так, как нужно руководителю. Говорить на украинском я совсем не могу,

In his memoirs, quoted above, Khrushchev writes that he said to Stalin that he is Russian. It is surprisingly scarse information about his parents. What were their names? Mikkalai 07:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early days

Nikita Khrushchev's birth-place Kalinovka is situated in Kursk province, Russia - near the ukrainian border (some 10 miles), but not in Ukraine at all ! (see: www.fr.map24.com)

Best regards, Werner

N.S.C.'s birth-place is situated in Kursk province - in fact russian soil then and now ! Never belonged to Ukraine at any time ! WernerE, 17.2.05

Thank you. It is interseting how this blunder survived for so long time. Mikkalai 16:25, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*ahem* Everyking 16:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

He moved to Donetsk in 1908. If you can read Russian, see http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/hrushev.html (note that his birth date and social status are controversial). --DmitryKo 12:32, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The error was about the location of his birthplace, not about his lifeplace. Mikkalai 20:38, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Khrushchev or Khrushchyov

The family should be properly transliterated with yo, as per Russian ё. It's a post-WWII confusion that's explained in Reforms of Russian orthography. DmitryKo 12:32, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I believe Khrushchyov should be mentioned in the intro as primary, with commonly accepted Khrushchev in parentheses, just like Joseph Stalin is correctly named according to Russian Iosif on the first line. The rest of the article is fine to use either Khrushchev or Khrushchyov .DmitryKo 12:15, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone knows why his name is often written in Roman alphabet with a K, since the letter used in Cyrilic has in fact, the sound of CH (as the german ch)? --Pinnecco 18:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khrushchev in his Military Uniform

I found an updated photo of him in his uniform. Can that be used? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:57, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Corn

This page links to the disambiguation page Corn, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. — Pekinensis 20:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. — Pekinensis 16:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

I changed this from "He has one of the highest ... reputations...both in Russia and overseas" to "In the west, he has one of the highest ... reputations", deleting "both in Russia and overseas".

Apart from the Russian dissidents mentioned, Khrushchev is pretty much loathed in Russia, either as an ignorant clown, or as a scoundrel to the millions who regard him as the setting in chain the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the rise of Mafia-style capitalism. Camillus McElhinney 08:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed the sentence altogether. Reputations of Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev are simply incomparable; still, Khrushev is probably #4 here. Of remaining Soviet leaders only Brezhnev left. The remaining ones did not rule enough to speak about their reputation at all. Conclusion: the phrase was total bullshit. mikka (t) 09:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree - the sentence is best left out completely. Camillus McElhinney 17:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] catagories Political repression and Human rights abuse

172, note that these categories are to make it easier to find articles where these topics are discussed and not to label individuals or nations as guilty of them. Of course, these topics are more likely to be discussed in the articles of the actual violators. Why make it harder for those interested in these topics to find this article?--Silverback 12:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Silverback, note that other individuals are not listed in these categories. As for users being able to find this article, the likelihood that users will be able to find certain articles that are relevant to them over time will improve as editors work to de-stub thousands of articles currently languishing as stubs and work to link hyperlinks where they are not linked and should be linked. Inserting a category in a provocative location to prove a point, however, is not the way. 172 05:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I have put in a template for the infobox, a the previous one was nearly all missing. It needs a photo and infomation. Mindstar 03:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

hey whats up guys.. honestly ,... i wish more people wouold use wikipedia so i can have a discussion on khrushchev..

[edit] Misquote? "We will bury you!"

The famous "We will bury you!" line is translated in its own article from "Мы вас похороним!" For some reason, the section of Krushchev's personality in this article had the line translated from the very different idiom "мы вам покажем кузькину мать" (roughly: we will show you Kuzka's mother), which is apparantly a Russian saying for "we will punish you" that was used surrounding their Tsar Bomba. So I made the change and returned the translation to the other Russian phrase. -- Bobak 00:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House Arrest?

The article states, twice, that Khruschev spent last seven years of his life under "house arrest." Where on earth does this come from? AFAIK, he spent his last years as a state pensioner: living at his dacha, receiving his pension, writing memoirs. Admittedly, he was closely watched by the KGB and I remember reading about his complaints that KGB has "wired" all his house, including the restroom. But this does not amount to house arrest - officially, his movements were not restricted.

Maybe one should change this to "virtual house arrest" or "close supervision of KGB", but I would dare to say that, to the best of my knowledge, there was in fact (technically) no house arrest. Thanks. ouital77 21:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gulag

Some of the material in this section seems questionable. It is also at variance with the account given in the article Gulag#History and also in History of the Soviet Union (1953-1985)#De-Stalinization and the Khrushchev era.

It certainly seem inaccurate to state that: "The Gulag that was started under Stalin continued to grow . . ." whatever about the characterisation of the human rights abuses involved in Soviet penal policy up to 1991. There were indisputably mass releases of Gulag prisoners, politicals included, under Khrushchev's rule. Todowd 12:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cuban Missile Crisis

It would appear in this article that the blame for the Cuban Missile Crisis is being placed squarely on Khruschev's shoulder's. However, this man was also responsible (even though it triggered his own demise) for bringing about a peaceful resolution to the conflict that satisfied both the USA and USSR (Cuba, not so much - but that isn't as big of a deal). Additionally, the decision to place missiles in Cuba to begin with was a reaction to two things: 1) The advanced American ICBM program, which outnumbered the Soviets hundreds to about three (I'll have to try and find the hard numbers, can't remember off the top of my head) and 2) Because of the American Jupiter missiles already placed in Britain, Italy, and most importantly Turkey. This article simply portrays Khruschev as a guy that went nuclear crazy for a few days during the 60s which is hardly the case at all --Trump 13:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This is true, everyone is encouraged to get references and rewrite some segments. Khrushchev was in fact not nuclear crazy for that time. His resolution was peaceful, and in fact the US actions could have been perceived as more hostile than alot of the soviet ones. Solidusspriggan

Jupiter missiles were never based in the U.K. See Jupiter missile. The U.K. based IRBMs were Thor IRBMs. A small point but one that can be used to challenge the accuracy of apart your article. See PGM-17 Thor and an external reference is RAF Nuclear Deterrent Forces, their origins, roles and deployment 1946-1969. The official history. Copyright U.K MoD. Author: Humphrey Wynn. Pub 1994. Pages 340-362 ISBN 0-11-772833-0. Brian.Burnell 16:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

whether they were Thror or Jupiter the fact remains that they were IRBMs. My comment was written without the facts in front of me, so I was going off of memory from my paper on the matter --Trump 21:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in Great Patriotic War section

Since I have no clue what was originally there, I did not correct it.

Its the first and second sentences, look for the word joints and party animal. 216.153.166.70 15:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)chefantwon

Thanks for the heads-up; I've fixed it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time magazine cover

An image of the Time magazine cover recognizing Khrushchev as its 1958 "Man of the Year" has been posted to Wikipedia. This article is well-illustrated, and I am not a regualr editor, so I am not qualified to decide if it would add to this excellent article, but perhaps some of the regular contributors could decide whether to include it or not. Regards, Ryanjo 14:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] quote about "boot"

"He once branded Mao, who was at odds with Khruschev ever since the denunciation of Stalin at the 1956 Congress, an "old boot". In Mandarin, the word "boot" is regularly used to describe a prostitute or immoral woman."

With regards to this extract from the article: "boot" is in English. I would imagine Kruschev didn't speak with or about Mao in English. The quote should say either "the Russian word for boot is regularly..." if that is true, or not be in the article at all. Rotten Venetic 07:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian image?

"Since he spent much time working in Ukraine, Khrushchev gave off the impression of being Ukrainian. He supported this image by wearing Ukrainian national shirts."

fistly i want to see a reference for this, secoundly if its going to be mentioned, shouldnt there be a reason written with the statement?Fabio^Talk 10:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bias

I don't know enough to correct this, but the legacy section is extremely western-bias. It refers to his liberation tactics as "positives" and his crushing of the revolt in Hungary as a "negative." These words are completely POV words and should be removed. The entire section is filled with a western-slant vocabulary. Again, I don't know enough about Khrushchev to be able to rewrite the section, but someone who does should fix this. Bsd987 17:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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