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Contents 1 Old comments 2 Irony? 3 Seperate UK & U.S. 4 Number of UK issues 5 Devoted to Reviewing New Computer Games? 6 Opinion/I agree 7 Necessary to list 95% games? 8 Citations and references for PC Gamer UK 9 Coconut Monkey 10 Target audience 11 Expansion of the British Edition 12 Australian Edition

[edit] Old comments

This article has no use whatsoever, it needs to either be created, or simply deleted, while PC Gamer UK may well be deserving of an article, the said article is worthless. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.155.185.160 (talk • contribs) 17:04, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

I would certainly debate it being "useless"; it does, after all, provide some sort of history of the magazine, and some information about it. It just needs expanding, which I may do if I can find the time.

I'm not entirely sure about the review scores section though. As far as I'm aware, PC Gamer UK has never awarded more than 96% (Half-Life and a few other titles) to any game. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but for now I'm clarifying that in the article. (I'm assuming the 98% is correct for the US version.)

Fishdonuts 09:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Irony?

In the US edition, the lowest score awarded was 4% (Mad Dog McCree 2). Ironically, before Mad Dog McCree 2, the lowest score awarded was for its predecessor, Mad Dog McCree (awarded 8%).

Ironic? This is more coincidental, isn't it? Ironic would be if the original Mad Dog Mcree was the highest rated game in PC Gamer

Jcos 15:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Not a coincidence either... Irony would be if the score was so low becasue the reviewer was unable to concentrate, having recently contracted rabies. Rich Farmbrough, 11:10 5 September 2006 (GMT).

That's not irony at all, irony would be something defying what should have been expected, and is mildly humorous for doing so--topper 16:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate UK & U.S.

I think the UK edition should be the one which PC Gamer directs to, and PC Gamer U.S. should be a seperate article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fragsta (talk • contribs).

• Personally, I don't feel there is enough content for two articles. - CaptainAmerica 00:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• However, I added the template. - CaptainAmerica 00:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Fragsta. The two editions are actually quite different and deserve their own articles. As for lack of content, it's not as if this article is the most in depth description ever at this point. More info obviously needs to be added. -- Grandpafootsoldier 08:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur. We're really holding ourselves back by having the two very different magazines in one article. UnaLaguna 06:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with it. The article is far too small to warrant a split, if it were great deal larger and heading towards an unwieldy size then perhaps, but at the moment I'm against it. As it stands there is only one reference, very little about the content of each magazine, minimal history and it dosen't even have the Infobox Magazine Template on it. Wait until the article has increased in size and quality before suggesting a split - X201 08:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe they should be split. The only thing that links the two magazines is their name and publisher. They are completely different entities. --Phydaux 23:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Much like the two halves of Unilever, but it would be stupid to split them. Splitting PC Gamer now will make two weak articles, it would be much better to split them when there is an article big enough to warrant a split. - X201 14:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not the greatest of analogies, according to the article Unileaver was 2 companies that merged, but still have 2 headquarters, and are run by the same people. PC Gamer and PC Gamer (US) were never one magazine. Future publishing decided to release similar magazines in different countries. Does this mean that PC Jeux, Giochi Computer, PC Gamer (Malaysia), PC Gamer (Russia), PC Gamer (Sweden) should also be included in this article? Maybe yes until each section has a substantial content, maybe no because there isn't enough to link them together. Maybe only the English versions because this is an English version of wikipedia, then we still need to include PC Gamer Malaysia. --Phydaux 20:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

My analogy wasn't based on the whole company life story. I was trying to point out that they are two very different entities but with a common bond between them. Just like PCG(UK/US) are. - X201 14:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of UK issues

You can use this template "for 173 issues," if you like. Rich Farmbrough, 11:07 5 September 2006 (GMT).

PCGamer UK has 13 issues a year (each month and a "Christmas" issue). I don't believe your template currently counts 13 issues per year. --Phydaux 23:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Fraid not :( ... Rich Farmbrough, 16:59 23 November 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Devoted to Reviewing New Computer Games?

I don't know about the UK version, but this certainly doesn't seem to be true of the US version anymore. In the latest issue (#154) they devoted pages 22-42 to hyping up GuildWars Nightfall while the longest review in the magazine was only 1 page. It seems to me that they are more devoted to hyping and previewing games that reviewing them anymore. Wjousts 21:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion/I agree

That is your personal opinion, and I don't that anything should be said about their review/preview ratio then is already said. On the subject on seperate US, UK articles, I totally agree with seperating the two. Even though they both have the same name, they are very different magazines, each with a distinct culture.--DoomBW 19:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, but can you really get that substantial of an article if you separate the two without repeating 75% of the information? (The other 25% being the specific numbers, e.g. highest and lowest ratings)

[edit] Necessary to list 95% games?

There are a lot of games that the US version of PC Gamer has rated 95%. Simply listing Company of Heroes as a sole example is rather bias so I vote that it be stricken. TFX 17:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Opinion: It just a more recent example of 95% score

Don't think it's worthy of the mention. TFX 09:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Company of Heroes only scored 94% (PCG 166) see article "Company of Heroes" I think that Rome:Total War is the most recent example of a 95% score. see article "Rome:Total War"

[edit] Citations and references for PC Gamer UK

I removed the citation needed from the section. Although I doubt there are going to be any on-line sources for the information contained, I can cite the individual magazines that contain the information described. I don't know how best to include them into the article though.

For the claim:

• "Article originally shipped with a floppy disk" - PC Gamer, Vol 1, No 11, October 1994, Page 5
• "First CD Gamer included content from previous floppies" - PC Gamer, Vol 1, No 11, October 1994, Page 15

I hope to expand the British section soon too. --Phydaux 21:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coconut Monkey

This minor running gag/mascot doesn't need its own article. recommend merge here. or delete outright. Bwithh 22:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. Not notable enough for a whole article. CaptainAmerica 09:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Merged. Rich Farmbrough, 17:40 23 November 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Target audience

Does anyone know where I could find a quotation or piece of information showing the target audience for PC Gamer.

Ages 30-40

[edit] Expansion of the British Edition

I noticed that British section was a bit bare, and i wanted to expand a bit on the PCG Server, Cables, Uncensored, and Gamer Snap...and maybe a bit more on Extra Life too...--topper 16:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Edition

Is this still being published? I haven't seen a copy in the newsagent for some years now, and even when it was available, it was basically the US edition with most of the columns stripped out and Australian release dates in the ads. The reviews, editorials, and so on were, IIRC, taken straight from the US edition. Seeing as the two magazines cost about the same amount of money, I don't know anyone who purchased the Australian edition when the US one was available. --Commander Zulu 13:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)