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Taken from the article, placed there by an anonymous IP --
Shenmue III has not been confirmed and if it has please show me some evidence..
[edit] Shenmue in-depth
The recent news of Shenmue Online (www.shenmue-online.com) has sparked within me a more in-depth analysis of Shenmue as part of gaming pehnomena. Wikipedia's NPOV policy may aid in this understanding. I plan to completely overhaul this page with information from various websites, most notably http://www.planetxbox.com/shenmuedojo/.
However, my question to others is this: is it worth it to add this information to Wikipedia? Information on electronic gaming is so ubuquitous online, so what will one more page on a videogame serve?
I think a single page summarising a popular or important videogame (Shenmue obviousy qualifyng there) deserves a place in the history books just as much as that as a book or music album. --DamienG 23:57, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- The difference between Wikipedia and every other site filled with information on gaming is that our information is copyright free, in perpetuity. Also, as popular as gaming is, it's often very difficult to find good, hard information on games, especially if they're "old" (pre-1995), "foreign" (not American), or unpopular. Preserving the information here is a good choice when half the FAQ sites will charge you for their content, and the other half are written by Seanbaby clones. ~ FriedMilk 00:42, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)
I think that for many of us gamers who have played Shenmue it is more than just a game. It is definitely deserving of more coverage here, especially with the leak of info about Shenmue III from http://games.kikizo.com/news/200508/141_p1.asp. The story comes from a reliable and respected writer from Kikizo.com. You can also view what many Shenmue fans are saying about this at http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~shenmuedojo/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25945&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0. Ryohazuki1987 00:51, 2005 Aug 25 (UTC)
Personally, the article must be heavily expanded, by example: information about people involved in programming, music, about Project Berkley and other SEGA programmers like Toshihiro Nagoshi. There are some videogame programmers that must appear on Wikipedia and they aren't mentioned. - Anonymous guy
[edit] Shenmue Online
Why is Shenmue Online redirected to Shenmue? >x<ino 01:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Change to Plot Summary
I have again edited the summary and this time made far less changes leaving most of the original text intact. However, there were some points that were completely incorrect before and their change was necessary. Other points I elaborated on.
[edit] Dreamcast version?
I tried playing this game but my dreamcast kept freezing up. The problem only occured on this game. Does the game not work on some models?
- Maybe you have a bad copy? --Golbez 05:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Better
I think this article really needs more work! And needs to be really clearier! Because there needs to be more details for the gameplay, because the gameplay is really big. Notes need to be available, explaining about the game set in 1980 ect
- >x<ino 18:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Timex
Anyone actually have support for the idea that Timex helped make the game? I suspect the "Thank You" credit cited in the article is simply for allowing Sega to use the Timex trademark, not for any material assistance. 05:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I wrote that. And I am 100% sure Timex helped with the game. It didn't actually say "thank you", but I can remember SEGA dedicating a thanks to TIMEX, because they wrote the name down!
- >x<ino 18:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Xino, how about citing your source in-line with the page? Unless this point is verifiable, it's best to leave it simply as "his watch is a Timex". RandyWang 12:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Furthermore, how would a corporation like Timex "help with the game"? Timex produce watches; this is a computer game. Call me ignorant, but I don't see how what experience Timex could lend Sega to help them develop this game... which is precisely why we need to find a source for this statement. RandyWang 12:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
RandyWang, you have pissed me off to many f*king time! Believe me, I have had it. Have you played this damn game!? You don't even know a damn thing about a damn article, you go around trolling acting as if you all it all.
Unreal Championship 2: Liandri Conflict, you come in, saying I added my own opionion, corrected the prefix and sufix as well as the grammar. But the problem is, changing the information! The wrost of all, saying the website "Unreal Engine: Unreal Engine 2X for the game" is all fake. When you havn't even played the game yet, all can you know all this.
ApeXtreme, lord knows how you found the article involving me. You came, posting about the damn release date and such, not even know any damn thing about the system!
Now you are here. HAVE YOU PLAYED THIS GAME!?
The problem about you is that, you think you know about a certain thing, or you think you have experinece in it! But you havn't! Contribute on what you know! That is what Wiki is about! That is why anyone can edit an article. So people who know about that certain subject can correct us wiki editor!
Xino, how about citing your source in-line with the page? Unless this point is verifiableHOW DA HELL CAN I STATE A SOURCE FOR THAT!? The watch was Timex and Timex is a real company. Why in the hell do SEGA just wanna put someone's name in their game for free!? [1] OWNED!
it's best to leave it simply as "his watch is a Timex"Why do we wanna do that!? What is the point of that? That is what those first class editors do, putting down something that doesn't really matter. For an example. Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. In the Trivia Section. I stated that the font used for Tempus SAN. Some idiot kept on reverting, and saying where is the proof. HOW DA F*K CAN I GET DA PROOF? You want me to email Midway? That is exaclty what you are doing! Saying Timex didn't help in the game! If you go to there website, do you think they will have a info on Shenmue? And the edit I did was weak, saying the font used was Tempus SAN, but why do visitors wanna know that, it isn't importance. The same goes for that "his watch is a Timex".
Furthermore, how would a corporation like Timex "help with the game"? Timex produce watches; this is a computer gameThat is why I said, you dont know nothing! You havnt even played the game! Timex f*king helped with the design of Ryo's watch! Also if you have played the game, you will notice that the watch as a built in light, in case Ryo is in the dark.
Please, this is the last time, you are really really really trying my anger. And making me want to flame you hard. I am trying to put my stress and anger away! Because I know some of you wiki's are jerks and such. But it an't worth it to flame them. The people I should be flaming are forums posters and fanboys. Please! Just stay out of my way. Or if you want to say thing regarding me, please know what you are talking about and know about that subject!
- >x<ino 16:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, first of all, SETTLE DOWN. You are arguing a point that is probably the single most insignificant piece of information you could possibly dig up about this game. The fact that Ryo's watch is a Timex, and whether or not Timex "helped with the game," is of zero practical value. Readers of the page learn nothing significant about the game from this nugget of information. Secondly, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Timex helped Sega make Shenmue. The second reference link lists Timex as a tie-in, which means that Timex paid Sega money to put their logo into the game. The first reference link doesn't say anything about Timex. I guess what I am saying is that this is an incredibly stupid detail to argue about. It is certainly NOT worth getting all angry over--there are much more relevant things in the world to apply your anger to. --waka 18:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
No! It is best to mind your own business, this is between me and him! I am the guy starting to prove a point here and make something out! So...what is Timex did pay SEGA. The point is I was still right! Second I got the stupid source! And third I was right all along!
The first reference was for Shemue 2 game, and the second was for Shenmue 1. In the ending of Shenmue 1, the crediting, says a special thanks or something to Timex. That is why I added that info, and I know that Timex company was real! So you trying to tell me, because in the second link, Timex wasn't at the credit, which means Timex didn't sponor SEGA. If they didn't how come Timex was in this game!?:/
It is certainly NOT worth getting all angry overThis is between me and him, you won't understand.
And for that other idiot reverted that edit. Don't act like a smart @ss! I know what you are trying to do. All you damn wiki's think you are so smart, you try to outlaw someone with your stupid cheap excuss. How da hell is that unecyclopedia? Like I said, don't act like a smart @ss! The gamer will notice something different about the game. About that, the game as Timex as Ryo's watch. Ofcousre it as to be said. By the way, I still got more Trivia & Notes to put in!
This article even lacks information. If I was contributing to this article, I would have filled it up! No details about the QTE, Arcade, Town, Games ect...:/
- >x<ino 21:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am going to simply suggest you read up on the guidelines contained at WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Calm down, please. --Golbez 22:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
And at least we got that false "Timex helped with the game" line out of there, eh? --Golbez 22:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- No kidding. The text seems accurate and now, and it's sourced so I am happy. Xino, chill out already. --waka 01:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Based on Xino's conduct here, and in previous disputes, I've placed a request for comment on this argument. I'd appreciate it if User:Golbez and User:Waka would provide a statement for it, or better yet, endorse it so the request can proceed. RandyWang 12:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion of Shenmue on Wikipedia
As you may have noticed, I have been working on this article over the past week. I have added a great deal of information on various aspects of Shenmue that were not previously here. In doing so, I have also removed much of bad content that was previously included in the article (statements without strong basis in fact, for example) and have generally streamlined the article to make it more useful. One aspect I would very much like to expand in this article is that of the game's geography and culture. I have made a start to this, and I hope others will add to it.
If you have any comments do not hesitate to write them here - I greatly appreciate all feedback. I must also thank Waka who has been cleaning up grammatical errors and general sentance structure. Translucid2k4 10:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Your work has really improved this article, thanks! --waka 17:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- I was going to correct the categories (Sega instead of SEGA) and fix the SegaAM2 link, but translucid was fast enough to notice those little mistakes :)
- Although agreeing with it being one of the greatest games of all times, ... GOSH he also removed the sentence that said it IS the greatest game of all time... Fast indeed Rhe br 22:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, Metacritic's page for Shenmue (Metascore: 89)
- And for some bizarre reason, the interwiki to the portuguese article keeps getting deleted... Rhe br 22:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Copies Sold
Does anyone know the amount of copies sold, and the amount of money it took to make the game? I think that would be a good addon to the article. --Elven6 15:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia page Shenmue, "As of 2005, Shenmue has sold a total of 1.18 Million units worldwide." "The exact costs of Shenmue are the subject of much speculation. However, it is generally considered that the figure appearing in the Guinness World Records - USD$20,000,000 - is the most accurate." Dwayne Kirkwood 21:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah yea I remember the Guinness thing, is their any reason for the low sales? --Elven6 17:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Because it was different. --Golbez 17:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
But the differents things are good things [and not like experimental ("different") things that we see on musics, movies..], and about people saying that this game doenst have too much action (its because its a ADVENTURE GAME, not action game like gta or others games), there are computers adventure games that doenst have any single part of fighting or another action part. People that say this are because they don't like adventure games and are expecting too much action on a adventure game. 201.58.99.210 14:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? I loved it. Adventure games, however, rarely sell all that well. --Golbez 18:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
i am not talking about you, i am talking about the players that think that shenmue is bad because it was different. Like saying that GTA 3 was bad becase was diferent (has many things do to).
[edit] Shenmue is not a breaktrough hit for Sega?
Then,what is this? (note that in te U.S.A. ,Shenmue 2 was not released for Sega Dreamcast...)
Sega Dreamcast games that have sold more than one million copies worldwide as of 2005.
Sonic Adventure (4.47 million) Crazy Taxi 2 (2.34 million) Blue Stinger (2.27 million) Sonic Adventure 2 (2.18 million) Ferrari F355 Challenge (2.25 million) Resident Evil 3 (2 million) Power Stone 2 (1.98 million) Marvel vs. Capcom (1.93 million) Crazy Taxi (1.81 million) Ready 2 Rumble Boxing (1.67 million) House of the Dead 2 (1.54 million) ] NFL 2K (1.20 million) Shenmue (1.18 million)) NBA 2K1 (1.16 million) Resident Evil: Code Veronica (1.14 million) Power Stone (1.10 million) NFL 2K1 (1.09 million) Quake III Arena (1 million)) Soul Calibur (1 million)
It was one of the best seld games on Dreamcast,and one of the best games in the console,so don´t mess the article,please! --Tiago Heitor 14:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Despite the sales, it didn't turn a profit because it cost too much to make. It did very well in terms of units, but I don't think Sega made significant revenue from it. --waka 05:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cola Drink?
I apologise for my anonymous edit earlier. I was just playing the game early this morning, and when I came down to look at the wiki article, I noticed that it states that one can see how many cans of "Cola drink" Ryo has purchased during the course of the game. I don't think this what with coffee and other soda drinks being available in the vending machines too. I thought the change was pretty insignificant, so I didn't bother signing in. I haven't actually got a passport disc with my copy of Shenmue, so I'd appreciate it if someone could check if it tells you how much cola you've bought, or if it tells you how much of all the cans of drink you can buy in the vending machines you've bought.
Thanks. --User:Ribshank07:01, 27 August 2006 (GMT)
- Don't worry about it. I honestly never noticed the "cola drink" wordage.. all I saw was that the word "cola" had been changed to "soda", which, as far as I knew, was a term not often used outside the US. I realise that there are other drinks available from the machines, such as fruit-flavoured drinks, coffee, lemonade e.t.c, but at the time I didn't think about it. I apologise for acting so harshly (I didn't have anything against you, and didn't consider it as vandalism or anything like that), it's just it's 8am over here now and I haven't slept yet, so my thoughts aren't particularly poignant ;). I've now changed the section slightly so that it links to the soft drink article. If you feel there is an issue with this, feel free to reply on here :) --Dreaded Walrus 06:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External links
The external links section needs a clean up. There are too many links that doesn't seem to fit the article well. --Snkcube 07:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- I very much agree with you there. I'll have a go at trimming a few of them right now. Feel free to delete some I leave if they are still not relevant/re-add some that I delete incase they are. --Dreaded Walrus 08:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- How does that look? --Dreaded Walrus 08:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shenmue: The Movie
Does Shenmue: The Movie really need its own article? It's now only few sentences long and I don't think it could be expanded in any substancial way. I propose that it should be merged with this main article. --Mika1h 23:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- It could be expanded in a way that any movie could be. It received release in Japanese movie theatres and as such should be treated as a movie with its own page. I, at present, reject any calls for merging. If it is proven that the article cannot be expanded meaningfully then I will change my mind, but until then, no. Nach0king 23:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Errors?
I noticed two possible errors in the Shenmue article.
- is regarding the use of actual weather data from Yokosuka. I remember reading that the data was used in the game, but I don't remember there ever being an option to switch between the actual data and a random weather pattern as the article suggests.
- I had the Japanese version of the game and I'm pretty sure that it came with the Passport disc.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.1.168.63 (talk • contribs).
- Hi there! Firstly, may I recommend that in future, you try to remember to sign all things you do on a talk page, by adding four tildes to the end of your post (like this: ~~~~). This will make Wikipedia automatically sign your post with your identity, as well as the time and date you posted, thus making it easier for people to follow the conversations.
- Now, on to the actual questions you pose. Unfortunately, I can't say anything with regards to your second point, but as for the second point, here is what happens in the game:
- By default, and when you first play through the game, it automatically uses false weather data. Weather data that is not real. Upon completion of the game, on the options menu, the ability to select the actual historic weather data is available, so that your second playthrough (and any thereafter) may use the real data.
- I hope that helps at least a little bit, and welcome to Wikipedia! :)--Dreaded Walrus 19:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Phantom river stone
I just happened across this article, seems it could be much better included in the main Shenmue article, or just plain deleted. Rawling 22:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree entirely. Merge it, or just don't include it at all. I have completed Shenmue many many times over the years, and I can't say "phantom river stone" sticks in my head much. Google brings up 168 results, 4 of which are from Wikipedia, many more are certainly from mirrors (pun not intended, and only noticed before saving). It's not exactly Lan Di or anything. --Dreaded Walrus 00:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Merge this into the main article. Nach0king 10:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shenmue connected to Virtua Fighter?
In the main article, there are references to the cancelled Saturn version of Shenmue originally being connected with the Virtua Fighter series, and that Ryo was initially intended to be the character Akira, from that game.
Though Ryo does bear a passing resemblence to Akira, they are both fairly generic character designs. More importantly, I don't recall any statements about a connection between the two games ever being made, and there are no citations to back this one.
Personally, I'm convinced it's just a load of fanboy rambling, but can anyone else clarify otherwise, and possibly back it up with a citation? If not, it would be wise to edit it out.
Words of Ivory 19:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/065/065927p1.html "Yu Suzuki explains the genesis of Shien Mu, AKA Project Berkley, AKA Virtua Fighter RPG". --Mika1h 20:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is some more interesting links:
- http://shenmue.planets.gamespy.com/shenmue_saturn.shtml
- http://shenmue.planets.gamespy.com/timeline.shtml --Mika1h 20:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stuff for a keen person to do
- Reference the article similar to how Final Fantasy X-2 has been referenced.
- Make the storyline more full, and make another article which covers the storyline in more detail, whilst remaining encyclopedic.
- More flowing grammar, etc
