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[edit] Sonic Timeline
As it may be seen at the begging of "Sonic III", it is a direct sequence of "Sonic II": just after returning from the Death Egg on the plane piloted by Tails, Sonic jumps out after Knuckles.
"Sonic & Knuckles", on the other hand, would be placed between "Sonic I" and "Sonic II". Do you agree with it? Tonyjeff 20:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- The whole point of Sonic & Knuckles is that it takes place the INSTANT after Sonic 3. The title screen even depicts the Death Egg falling from near-orbit, thanks to Sonic at the end of the Launch Base Zone, as shown even more clearly if you play "Sonic 3 & Knuckles". And if Sonic & Knuckles takes place before Sonic 2, why isn't Knuckles in the plot of Sonic 2? The Genesis/Mega Drive Sonic games all seem to take place in the order they were released, if you ask me. The only truly perplexing continuity issue in the entire franchise is Sonic CD, in my honest opinion, though even that would seem to take place between the first two games when you consider Sonic 3 most definitely happens right after Sonic 2.
- The start of Sonic 3 doesn't begin with Sonic jumping out after Knuckles. According to the instruction manual, Sonic and Tails just happened upon the Floating Island/Angel Island. Knuckles, brainwashed by Dr Robotnik, ambushed Sonic who still had the 7 Chaos Emeralds from the end of Sonic 2.
- I'm sure we'll all be willing to take your idea on board if you can back it up well enough. Is there anything else you feel suggests Sonic & Knuckles goes between the first two games? --L T Dangerous 15:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I really don´t know exactly, as I think it would be much more a gossip I heard off from some VG magazine by the time. All that I remember is that Knuckles wouldn´t appear during the "normal" "Sonic II" because he would be occupied with his own business; however, since you can play "Sonic" II WITH Knucles, it would suggest that he already exists by the time. But anyway, I feel that you are plenty right, as S&K wouldn´t fit that well between the first two games... Do you think it is possible to trace a Chronological line with all the games of Sonic for the 4 and 8 bits generations? Just another day I came through two games with Tails released for Sega Master System (Mark 3). You could state where each game fits and the basic reasons for that (as you have just done). There´s also "Knucles Chaotix" released for Sega32X which could reveal something relevant for the main canon. 201.6.186.233 10:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Sonic 3 is a direct seuqel to Sonic 2. After Sonic took down Mecha-Robotnik, the Death Egg ended up falling into the Floating Island, causing it to fall into the ocean below. If you take a close look at the opening to Sonic 3, Sonic and Tails never go up at all until after they get to the island. During Launch Base, the Death Egg rises from the island...and slams back into it again. Sonic 3 isn't a "right after" sequel like S&K was but it does link back to Sonic 2. I'll quote the exact part of the manual when I get home. 209.115.232.94 19:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
About Sonic CD this cannot take place before Sonic 2 and I only have one pice of evedence. The Robotic Sonic. I mean look we have in Sonic 2 a pretty basic and chunky robot wich is nothing like the blue blur. and now look at S3&K another Sonic robot is introduced. Another chunky robot though this one is fast he still is not a very good copy. Now look at Sonic CD we have another Sonic robot Metal Sonic this is the sonic robot we see most in the series and it is (in my oppionion) the most advanced by far it (he?) is fast it is small it is sexy. So if so then it would go like this. (I am not including the handheld consoles for now). Crap Sonic robot>>>>>cool sonic robot>>>crap Sonic robot.
So in conclusion I say that Sonic CD must come after Sonic 2/3/&K.
~unregisterd member Koyosan
[edit] Deadline Trouble
The text below was originally on the main page, but really needs a grammatical cleanup and some verification of the data. I've taken the liberty of removing the text and placing it here until that can be accomplished.
Sonic 3, and Sonic & Knuckles are the same exact game, but Sonic 3 had to be released before they could finish it at sonic team, proof in this is the fact that the Flying Battery zone's title card, music, and bosses, were left in the game, they will also load up if you force the level, also the game concept art of the robots from Flying Battery Zone appeared in the Sonic 3 manual. They split the game and released sonic 3 because of the deadline, but in addition to this, they were able to make a knuckles in sonic 2 patch for sonic 2.
--Technogeek 05:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- It's true. Sonic 3 & Knuckles was originally devised as one game, but time restraints eventually caused Sega to split it in two halves. As mentioned above, music from Sonic & Knuckles stuck in Sonic 3, as well as a few levels. If you enter the level select, you can even see some of Sonic & Knuckles' levels. Apparently the original order was a bit different as well. I agree it has to be rewritten though. --Steerpike 10:24, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] 3 Player
I was told by someone that you could get three player when you locked in Sonic and Knuckles with Sonic 3. However it was only shown if you had the 4 player addon thing. I was wondering if someone can varify weather this is true. If it is I belive the page should be updated as needed. - Jedaz 12:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
- False rumor. Jedi6 22:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Intro paragraph trimmed
This is pretty minor, but since I removed content I feel I should explain. This doesn't make much sense to me:
- In fact, the minboss music is most likely a remix of Sonic 1's Marble Zone music.
A sentence that begins with "In fact" should not then immediately say "most likely," as that indicates that it is not a fact, but merely an opinion. I removed (well, commented out) that sentence, but if someone can verify that the music is a remix, please rewrite and put it back.
Rassilon 15:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sounds fake to me
The members of [the Simon Wai's Sonic 2 Beta Page forums] have interviewed many of the creators of the games and such a statement has never come up. While there are many that we still have yet to contact, the fact that none of them have mentioned this fact coupled with the fact that several communities based on the games have yet to notice this remixing, I think it's safe to say that the remix idea is too much of a stretch. If anyone can provide incontrovertible proof to the contrary, of course, I'll eat my words.
SoNick Belmont 02:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] clean-up
In accordance with the article on Sonic 3 I've drastically cut down both the level and trivia sections. The level section is just meant to be a short description of each zone and nothing more (although in all fairness, I have to admit that it was probably me who once wrote those lengthy zone descriptions :) ). I did retain the differences between Sonic and Knuckles. The trivia section was getting way too long and got littered with useless info. I took the liberty of cutting out the more arcane trivia "bits". --Steerpike 13:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added a section the Death Egg in regards to Knuckles's route. If you want to alter the text so it's shorter feel free to do so since it dose extend the Zone's description abit.
"BETA Route: Within Death Egg there is an alternate route with obsitcles designed for Knuckles to pass through. It is accessible via Debug mode and going down and then right. The route joins with the default route prior to the boss fight, where there is a fall that instantly kills whoever falls down. Along here is the one way door that Knuckles would use to enter Sonics route."Dark-Chaos 19:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see this info as being relevant actually. --Steerpike 20:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Super Emeralds
In the article, it says that if the Super Emeralds are attempted but not collected, that the game reverts to the bad ending. This is not true.
[edit] Questionable
In the Level Select screen accessible by a code at the title screen, Hidden Palace does not appear, instead indicated in the menu as Lava Reef 4. Likewise, the Lava Reef Act 2 boss is actually coded under Lava Reef 3. This is the only time a Zone has been given a fourth Act, the previous maximum being three (all Sonic 1 Zones, Metropolis Zone of Sonic 2). This record is broken by Knuckles' Chaotix, where each Zone has five Acts.
I really don't like this much, because I feel it makes much more sense to look at this only in the sense that there really wasn't room for them to put a specific space for Hidden Palace or Death Egg Act 2 part 2.
[edit] Bonus stages
It seems the original numbers were correct (20-34 rings = slot machine, 35-49 = magnet tower, 50-65 = gumball), but I have got bonus stages above 65 rings as well, although I got the magnet tower that time (only tested this once). INVERTED 12:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know the correct order above 65. It's likely the same pattern that repeates over and over again. 65-79 is roughly the slot machines, 80-90 the magnets and around 100 the gumballs. Regardless, this information doesn't really belong in the article. I doubt the casual reader finds any value in this at all. --Steerpike 12:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lock-on Pictures
I removed the two lock on pictures from the main article and moved them here. I think we should only keep the second (S&K with S3 on it), but the image would be better if it was transposed. --Steerpike 12:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bit of trivia
In the Knuckles storyline, the Robotnik bosses are all the Egg Robos, except for the Flying Battery Zone boss, which is clearly still Robotnik. If this is worth adding to the article, could somebody else do it? I am having difficulty wording it... it keeps coming out sounding really stupid. (Maybe it just is!) -- DocSigma 17:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- I think it is. This bit of trivia was actually in the article until recently but I cut it out. I just fail to see the relevance of this information to the game Sonic & Knuckles. Only nerds could possibly be interested in this, and in that respect, there are a ton of other sites on the net to provide those obscure details. --Steerpike 19:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Not really. I think it's important to include such information to keep the article completely comprehensive, as Knuckles' timeline runs after Sonic's. --Tr33zon 10:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
