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The meaning of the title... well, I'm sorry, but that's not the meaning. A Link to the Past is the title of the AMERICAN version of it. Nintendo of America screwed up and translated it to that somehow. The real title is 'Triforce of the Gods'. Though, I'm not sure if it is Gods or Goddesses.

Well, the problem is that gender (and plurality for that matter) in Japanese is often subjective based on context. In Japanese it's a genderless term, therefore the accepted translation of Kamaigi no Triforce is Triforce of the Gods. However it was only OOT that first revealed their gender to be female, therefore the default (male!) word is the correct one. This game was made before OOT, so their gender was not known at the time, and renaming it at this stage to Triforce of the Godesses would be both technically incorrect and VERY confusing. (Garrett)

I should add, also, that throughout ALttP religious-ish content has been changed (Agahnim's a wizard instead of a priest, the Hylian text isn't Egyptian-style, etc.) so that is probably why they changed the name so significantly. Master Thief Garrett 00:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I think they knew that they were female. There is an illustration in the first few pages of the U.S. game manual that shows them as female. And I'm not sure, but I think the manual references "Goddesses" or somesuch word. But I could be wrong (I don't have access to one right now to check). Quill Est Patent 18:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

What's all this about a "Multiple Links Theory"? All the other Zelda articles seem pretty definite about the fact that there's more then one Link.

The Multiple Links theory, is, well, a *theory* made up by fanboys with too much time on their hands. The idea is that Link couldn't have been in all the times and worlds and whatnot he's appeared in. For example in The Wind Waker the intro shows you the story of The Hero of Time (i.e., OOT Link), and you play as a boy called Link. So there's at least two Links there alone, without even touching on The Minish Cap and other such entries. (Garrett)

Since the release of the Wind Waker, I don't think anyone can really doubt the existence of multiple Links. I'd say it's an undeniable fact by this point, and anyone who still tries to say otherwise probably won't be convinced by anything. (lord-of-shadow)

Yes, the Multiple Link argument isn't argument; it's merely fact. Aonuma confirmed multiple Links, and can you explain why Link seems to not know who the Hell Zelda is in LttP, LoZ, etc.?--A Link to the Past 01:31, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Well, he obviously isn't the brightest boy, I mean he never speaks or anything... heheheh... yes the Multiple Links Theory (see Vfd!) is proper, but the problem is in many cases saying *which* Link goes with *which* game(s). Master Thief Garrett^Talk 04:06, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

You're absolutly right. Within ALttP alone, there's the Link that you play as and the Haunted Grove Link. If you mean the GBA release, there's four swords--litterally, multiple Links. And the bonus dungeon ties into that, too...I'll omit a spoiler. Anyway, it's not so much a theory as it is fact: There is more than one Link! But which Link is which is a much broader and harder question. HereToHelp 16:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Going back to something way earlier, allow me to restart something from before, as it's easier for all sides than me starting a new section for it: I assume that whoever said NOA "mistranslated" the title meant "changed"; let me know if I'm wrong but I think we can all pretty much agree it wasn't a matter of translation. I don't know, I personally think "A Link to the Past" is a more interesting title. I don't find the titles that come from item names as creative as "Link's Awakening" (yes, even that), "A Link to the Past", and "Twilight Princess". But that's just my opinion. We're so conditioned to think that anything that's changed from the original version is inferior, and I think there's a lesson to be learned by gamers that some changes can be for the better. Agree? Disagree? Wonder why I'm wasting my time saying this stuff? -67.163.21.39 07:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Dark World page 2 Unverified content 2.1 Possible origin of Flute Boy's music (UPDATE 8/1/05) 3 Cleanup 4 Rewrite of intro text 4.1 Existing intro text 4.2 Initial criticism 4.3 Proposed rewrite 5 4 light world dungeons 6 The Mario Face 7 Zelda 16-bit Series 8 Why did the section contrasting Japanese and English translations Change? 9 Vandalism, maybe? 10 Sequence breaking 11 LttP Intro 12 Shield facing right 13 Took away the following 14 The Chris Houlihan Room 15 Boss Names 16 Prequel to Ocarina of Time? 17 Reworking sections 18 Right-hand graphical error 19 Inappropriate person 20 Item screen 21 I was expecting that Zelda 3 NES beta hoax to be mentioned here.. 22 WP:VG Assessment

[edit] Dark World page

There's currently a stub about the Dark World. Do you think it's noteworthy enough to expand as the Sacred Realm was? I mean, it only appeared in two games (well, three counting FSA) but was absolutely central to them. Then again, the Sacred Realm/Golden Land only featured in a few games as well. So, what do you think? Master Thief Garrett^Talk 08:52, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I vote for merge into Sacred Realm. They are basically the same place. Deco 01:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, but that means new details need to be added. Right now there's only the briefest mention of its ALttP role, and none at all of turning into the Dark World. ...hmmm... Master Thief Garrett^Talk 03:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead. There ARE the same place, and one is a stub, so it's easier to merge then to fix the stub.

Dark world now links to a Yu-gi-oh page. there is a 2006 movie, a board game, and a level in Super Mario all called Dark World, so why does darkworld send you to yu-gi-oh? can someone look into that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jtgerman (talk • contribs) 05:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Unverified content

I moved this here until it can be verified properly. Many tunes sound alike and this is, quite possibly, a complete coincidence. Deco 20:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

• Unfortunately the music is so obscure that you can't find samples of the soundtrack on Amazon etc. It would surprise me if Koji Kondo had lifted music from a movie (it would seem to be a little beneath his talent), but it's been done before—Golden Axe's "Oh God!" death cry comes from Rambo: First Blood. No, seriously. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 03:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible origin of Flute Boy's music (UPDATE 8/1/05)

I recently got a copy of this movie on VHS and reviewed the movie more carefully. I found the part I originally though was the "flute boy" music, and although a few of the bars match up, the music is different and this seems a complete coincidence after all. --R. J. Smith
According to a contributor at the Desert Colossus fan site "Tonight on Turner Classic Movies, there was an old 1954 movie called Men of the Fighting Lady. I heard, note-for-note, the Zelda 3 flute boy music playing in the background at one point! Contributed by R.J. Smith"

[edit] Cleanup

Truth be told, I think that my section on Bosses should be wiped away. That's perfect for Wikibooks, but not here. -- A Link to the Past July 2, 2005 10:34 (UTC)

Hm, yes, I guess you're right. It did get too FAQy... you should probably tag all those images for deletion now or something. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 3 July 2005 05:36 (UTC)

Well, one thing this article needs is a Characters section. The Characters section should have Link, Ganon, Zelda, Agahnim, Link's Uncle and Sahasrahla. -- A Link to the Past 23:55, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Agahnim, Link and Zelda have articles we could link. Other than Sahasrahla, there really aren't any major characters that appear only in this game — just lots of minor characters like Link's uncle, the girls, the bosses, the village people, the thief, and the Flute Boy. Describing all of these briefly could fill out a good section though. Deco 07:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite of intro text

[edit] Existing intro text

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, released in Japan on November 21, 1991, as ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース (Zeruda no Densetsu: Kamigami no Toraifōsu, literally The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods), and in North America and Europe in 1992, was the only game in the Zelda series released for the Super Famicom (in Japan) and the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (in North America and Europe). It is hailed by many (especially of its generation) as Nintendo's finest hour and the greatest video game of all time.

[edit] Initial criticism

I would suggest that:

• We don't italicise the first instance of it, in the "X is Y" leader text
• We state within the leader text that it is a video game
  • For the SNES
• We then talk about
  • Japanese translation
  • Release dates
  • Overall opinion

[edit] Proposed rewrite

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is a video game, designed by Nintendo and released for the Super Famicom and Super Nintendo Entertainment System game consoles. It was released in Japan on November 21, 1991 as ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース (Zeruda no Densetsu: Kamigami no Toraifōsu, literally The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods), and in North America and Europe in 1992. The game is hailed by many as Nintendo's finest creation.

Sounds much better to me, except I would add "It is the third game in the Legend of Zelda series.". Also fixed a plural. Deco 22:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 4 light world dungeons

It almost seems unfair to say that the light world only had four dungeons, as Hyrule Castle is practically two dungeons. The first to rescue Zelda from a litteral dungeon, and the second to go fight the wizard and get sent to the dark world. Should we say 5 dungeons then, or do people really consider them both to be the same one? Fieari 07:02, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. I say go ahead because they are not done together. When you do the first, you can't get into the second one, and when you do the second, the first is too easy and is pointless.

[edit] The Mario Face

There is indeed a Mario face in the game; it's in one of the village houses. You can pull on it to get some rupees (only once I think). MrLeo 22:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

In which village? Want to try it out, you know. If it is, it should be added here and in List of Mario References. -- ReyBrujo 22:56, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It's in Kakariko village, in the Light World. I don't remember exactly which house it's in though. MrLeo 00:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I remember it too. Here's a screenshot.[1] Deco 09:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zelda 16-bit Series

This is the only game in the Zelda 16-bit series. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zachkudrna18@yahoo.com (talk • contribs).

Not so. There is a BS Zelda sidestory akin to Majora's Mask. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

BS Zelda games were released ONLY in Japan. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

And English-speaking countries aren't the center of the universe. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why did the section contrasting Japanese and English translations Change?

There was a very interesting section full of nuances between the Japanese version and English version as recently as 6 September 2005 that has been compressed into a very boring shell. I read it last Autumn and found it to be very useful. I went back today (10 March 2006) and the section is just a blurb. Was the information inaccurate? If not, I think some of it should be reintroduced or at least a new article made with the content.

I agree, I looked back in the history section and found the previous versions to be much more informative. The first dramatic reduction in the section seemed to appear here. It seemed like a bit of overkill. The first version did seem a bit POV but the edit could have been handled better. Of course citations would have helped. I also think the Dragmire/Mandrag titles for Ganon should be listed in this article instead of only at Ganon since this is the game that originated those titles (and was the only one that mentioned them) and specifically in this section as it is directly related to a localization decision in the instruction manual(the editing out of Dragmire/Mandrag occurs after the above linked edit). 69.124.143.230 22:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism, maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Legend_of_Zelda%3A_A_Link_to_the_Past&diff=41476741&oldid=41438171

Certainly this was an edit for the worse, I will undo.

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Grrr... This game did not 'introduce' the Master Sword as it was a no small part of "The Legend of Zelda". Erm... Scratch that, I was thinking about something else.

[edit] Sequence breaking

There is a way to enter the Dark World before getting the last pendant. Should this be mentioned in the article? If not, please make an article in wikiguides.

This might belong in Wikibooks, but not Wikipedia. Pagrashtak 18:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you have to enter the Dark World to reach the last pendant temple. However, I suspect you are referring to the magic mirror glitch that allows the bunny to wander around a large part of the Dark World (and even do some neat tricks like getting the level 3 sword before the Master Sword!). There was once an extensive site dedicated to this glitch, and I think with the appropriate citation we could include a brief mention of it in a section dedicated to sequence breaking and other hidden tricks. However, I can't find it - I think it was taken down. Deco 07:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

There are lots of videos on you tube about those other bugs, most of them are done on the GBA version Four Swords (this is evident because link yells as he swings his sword), so I'm not sure if the bugs are on the SNES version too. Dark World bunny suit early dark world Mirror Glitch early Magic Hammer early Titan's Mitt level 3 sword early beat the game early obscure error another obscure error (there are more too). Though these videos shouldn't go into the main page, they are fun to watch. jtgerman 05 Feb 2007

[edit] LttP Intro

Long ago, in the beautiful kingdom of Hyrule surrounded by mountains and forests... legends told of an omnipotent and omniscient Golden Power that resided in a hidden land. Many people aggressively sought to enter the hidden Golden Land... But no one ever returned. One day evil power began to flow from the Golden Land... So the King commanded seven wise men to seal the gate to the Land of the Golden Power. This seal should have remained for all time... But, when these events were obscured by the mists of time and became legend... A mysterious wizard known as Agahnim came to Hyrule to release the seal. He eliminated the good King of Hyrule. Through evil magic, he began to make descendants of the seven wise men vanish, one after another. And the time of destiny for Princess Zelda is drawing near...

[edit] Shield facing right

I removed the trivia regarding which hand Link holds his shield in. Because this pertains to several 2D Zelda games, it's more appropriate for Link's article. Sure enough, it's already there, and with considerably more clarity - the spelling/grammar of this version was convoluted as hell. Deco 07:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Took away the following

Especially in Sweden where the game was elected as the 2nd Best Game Ever, right after Super Mario 64, in March of 2003.

That is unnessesery. It was only one game magazine (Super PLAY), not the swedish people. And the same magazine didn't have the game as high up just two years earlier. And most of the magazines crew has moved to another magazine.

[edit] The Chris Houlihan Room

I edited The Chris Houlihan Room recently. What I did was to change some things, and more importantly took in a walkthrough of how to enter the room. The problem is that I am awful of writing english, so it has a lot of spelling and grammatical errors. Read the discussion in the [The Chris Houlihan Room]. Sjalvastefan

Are you sure that you can access The Chris Houlihan Room? I've heard that you couldn't.

If so, could you explain how? 70.69.206.62 19:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Proper

I am so glad this is here. I called Nintendo in 1992 after finding this room and was told that I was the first person to find it as far as they knew. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I found it in the location mentioned in the article: the hole under the bush northeast of the castle. I was told it was also accessible from the shovel field in the dark world. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

how do you get to this room? all i have manage to hear was "a sequence of dashes in kakariko"

here is a video of how to the to the [Chris Houlihan Room] (on the NTFC versions PAL versions is different) and an [article about how to do it]. You can use the website as a citation. --jtgerman 05 Feb 2007

[edit] Boss Names

If I recall correctly, and having since lost my LttP manual I may not - didn't all of the boss characters in this game have names? Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but a friend and I have been having a debate about whether the sludge boss filled with eyeballs' name was Lord Vitreus/Vitreous or not, so I thought the info might be here. Does anybody know what I'm talking about or am I just going crazy? 69.124.143.230 21:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I was looking around and found Enemies in The Legend of Zelda series, but it is still very incomplete and doesn't even mention many LttP bosses. In past versions of this article, all the bosses were listed by name. At the very least could this section have a Bosses heading with a see Enemies in The Legend of Zelda series article. or whatnot? 69.124.143.230 22:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

if your trying to get the boss names just beat aLttP on the GBA version. you might have to beat the four swords part i'm not sure... also try the hero's cave and defeat the dark links...

[edit] Prequel to Ocarina of Time?

The evidence for Ocarina of Time being the prequel to Link of the Past is there, but what about Link's age in Link to the Past and what's the deal with him still being young, or was he older? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.188.22.238 (talk • contribs).

You might want to take a look at the Multiple Links Theory for an answer to that. Basically the idea is the ALttP Link is another of the reincarnations further(?) down the line. -- Shadowlynk 04:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reworking sections

I just cleaned up some strategy guide-like stuff, but I think we need to do some more edits to the content. What does everyone think about (looking to Ocarina as a model): 1.) Deleting the boss characters, 2.)Losing the Oracle paragraph in the gameplay section, 3.)Adding a "setting" section under "Plot and setting", 4.)Deleting the quotes section, 5.)Merging the "Reception" section into Plot. Sraan 05:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the removing the boss section. There's just no point in it being there at all. The last paragraph in the Gameplay section (as you also mentioned) should also be removed. It poses no relevance to the article. The only other change I would propose is removing the "Comic" section and merging it with "Reception." It doesn't need an entire section to itself. Grendel 20:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I reworked the sections, hopefully for the better. I actually left the comic section as is - it didn't seem to fit anywhere else. Maybe we can change that in the future. Sraan 16:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I created a new section called "Media" and merged "Music" and "Comic" into it as sub-sections. Does this work? Grendel 22:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good for now. I made a few more edits and I think the page is starting to shape up. Sraan 00:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Right-hand graphical error

You know the "glitch" that makes it so Link appears right-handed when he's facing east? It was requested that be added from the Link (character) talk page. -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 02:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate person

Since some don't know what first or second person mean, I point that the Development section has several inappropriate persons (regardless of whether first or second, they are inappropriate anyways). In example, how many times you died on your file. The Versions section has also allows you to download the game. Hope now it is clear and someone will fix the problems instead of just ignoring them. -- ReyBrujo 14:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Have now implemented template more appropriately. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I've gone through and copy-edited the 2nd-person and a few other small grammar issues. Please remove the template with your approval. --Cheesemeister3k 07:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Item screen

Could anyone explain the 8-bit item screen to me? It kind of stood out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cfive (talk • contribs) 00:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] I was expecting that Zelda 3 NES beta hoax to be mentioned here..

Or somewhere on wikipedia. It was a bit of a phonomenom for a bit. Anyone agree it should be mentioned somewhere here?--Iamstillhiro1112 22:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. An article about it was deleted previously as not be verfiable and I am not aware of any new sources that would have changed that. It was userfied though so you can go to User:Badlydrawnjeff/The Legend of Zelda: The Triforce Saga to see it. Also a link to the AFD is on the talk page section. --70.48.173.151 22:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:VG Assessment

Please submit this for peer review. No rating changed: the article needs in-depth review, and the assessment procedure is not intended for that.

--User:Krator (t c) 22:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)