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Immaterial and Missing Power was partially developed by ZUN, was it not? --Breathstealer 12:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Perfect Cherry Blossom and others are not English titles. These are subtitles.--AS9900 12:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Point, but they're in common usage as such among English-speakers, and the meanings of the two usually correspond roughly. -Seventh Holy Scripture 01:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Why "Story of Eastern Wonderland"? As I recall, the game's title screen only bears the Japanese name, and during intermissions a subtitle, "Story of "HUMA" in Eastern Wonderland", is shown... --213.186.248.121 18:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Freeware? 2 Section for Tōhō characters 3 Move to Touhou Project? 3.1 Survey 4 Remilia Scarlet 5 Macrons

[edit] Freeware?

Are the games freeware or shareware?

Neither, you have to pay for them. _dk 11:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that what shareware is?

*think think think* yikes, you're right. _dk 12:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I thought that shareware implied that the freely distributable trial version can be 'unlocked' into the full version, without need for a physical purchase. Otherwise, isn't all software with a trial or demo version shareware, including that sold on store shelves? (Touhou games are sold at conventions and in specialized mail outlets not run by the creator, if the channel of distribution plays a part.) -Seventh Holy Scripture

Basically "Shareware" refers to a trial/demo version of a program. That's it. There are Shareware versions of the games... but calling the Touhou series a series of Shareware games is grossly inaccurate. As was stated, there are full version games which are Commercial products.

[edit] Section for Tōhō characters

How about a separate page listing the characters from the Tōhō universe? --59.167.111.183 12:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Deadkid dk has a draft of such a page in his user section, but it's mostly a TOC right now. I'm not sure what its status is or whether he wants others to work on it yet. -Seventh Holy Scripture 17:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please do. Its current state makes me giggle. _dk 00:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Might I add...anyone interested in making the list please come here. (7HS come back~~;___;) _dk 08:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move to Touhou Project?

[edit] Remilia Scarlet

An acquaintance of mine created this article. However, I'm considering VfDing it. I don't think a Wikipedia article on her (or any of the individual characters) is necessary when we're working on a summary page for all the characters, most of the detailed information is also provided on TouhouWiki, and the rest is largely conjencture.

Wikipedia:Deletion_policy/Minor_characters states that "Major characters from minor works should be merged into the main article for the book for easy accessibility (e.g. Dua from The Gods Themselves)." Since the Touhou fan community tends to turn even minor characters into important ones, and the resulting list of characters is prohibitively long, we can't follow this to the letter. However, it seems clearly against the intent of the policy to give any Touhou characters their own articles, unless you consider it to be a major work (while it might be in Japan, it definitely isn't elsewhere.)

Can I hear some other opinions on this? -Seventh Holy Scripture 09:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry, O_H, if you drop by and take it personally! But I think it's better us then the fancruft vultures.)

Yea, I was meaning to do that, but I don't have the heart to. Him being O_H and her being Remilia and all that. _dk 20:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried. [1] I don't think he reads here. _dk 16:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

With the amount of info she has and for the sake of information, I think she deserves a place, and so does the flagship characters of the series. And no fancruft guys (save for one, probably one of you) has tried it so far. IIRC you shouldn't be afraid of fancrufting if there's sufficient factual information about a character, especially playable characters, not minor bosses no one's heard of. IaMP exploded their popularity more than how you can imagine, so naturally people will want to find out about this and that upclose and personal. Oherman 14:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

There's no doubt that enough information exists for an adequate article. However, the Wikipedia project has severe problems with systemic bias towards pop culture, and as a result all but the most significant works are regarded poorly by the administrators. If fairly well-known and story-centric games like Phoenix Wright and Skies of Arcadia, which certainly have sufficient character development for individual character articles, haven't recieved any then I really doubt Touhou should- Wikipedia's idea of 'major works' in gaming probably runs more toward Final Fantasy/Metal Gear Solid-tier.

My personal issues with the article stem from the content. Statements like "The reason that she looks like a child is that she chose to retain such appearance" and "Remilia is among the many characters in the game who wears traditional bloomers underneath her skirt" don't have any basis in canon, as far as I remember. The remaining information is just refactored from Remilia's TouhouWiki page. Why can't we just direct people there again? -Seventh Holy Scripture 17:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

What if it wasn't me who made the pages (here in wikipedia)? What if other people started doing pages like that? If you really insist, you'll have to do redirects or other people will unknowingly do pages and the problem starts again. You WILL have to put everything + edit in there though. Also, I don't see how they wouldn't regard that potential article seriously if it is written well. In regards to trivia, observations that can be proven count as fact, so I think my observations are valid. If people complain, defend. Don't worry about things that aren't in your doorstep. Sure, you want to prevent stuff early on, but you shouldn't worry too much either.

As to redirecting people to touhouwiki, that could raise eyebrows into advertising if it isn't worded carefully, and not all people have the brightest of perception. Oherman 18:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If it wasn't you, I'll still nominate it for deletion...it's not a personal thing. I do plan to make redirects for every character though. Wikipedia has some rather exclusive rules in terms of fictional characters...and in my observations, fictional characters who aren't really part of a cultural phenomenon tend to belong to a list instead of having his/her own article, because they are "non-notable". And, for overly detailed information that don't belong in lists....I recall that Wikipedia sugguests that they should be put on another wiki. That is how the Wookieepedia was made for Star Wars. In our case, we already have the TouhouWiki...if people see that as advertisement, that's really their problem, not ours. _dk 00:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macrons

Unless the game is widely known in the English-speaking world as "Touhou", Wikipedia policy suggests that it should be moved to "Tōhō" (or "Tōhō Project") for the sake of consistency in spelling with other articles. LordAmeth 19:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Considering it's already been moved away from the macronized version once (the discussion is still on this page), and it is exclusively called "Touhou" by the English-speaking community, I think it's fine as it is. Moogy^(talk) 19:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Nobody uses "Tōhō" at all. Voretus^talk 20:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright. Just wanted to point it out. LordAmeth 22:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)