Talk:Toyota Corolla

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[edit] NOTE REGARDING THE TIMELINE

Until Toyota releases a press release regarding the 2009 Corolla and whatever happens to the Matrix, DO NOT UPDATE THE TIMELINE BASED ON A RUMOR. User:buterfly0fdoom Sunday, 2007-02-25 T 22:35 UTC

[edit] Vandalism

On 24th January, someone from 60.51.89.246 removed all text under Japan (1974-1981) and included some garbage text. As I do not know how to restore a previous version partially, can I request you to restore that? A4980 23:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of 10th generation

The picture of 10th generation was deleted on 14th December. Can someone please restore that back? A4980 01:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engines

How come the first generation Corolla's 1.1 liter engine has 60 hp=56 kW power. It is supposed to be 1 kW=1.34 hp or so. I don't know which unit is correct (maybe both wrong, because 1.2 liter engine is said to be 55 hp) but it has to be fixed. Also what is the difference between OHV and SOHC engines. Does OHV mean a pushrod mechanism? In fourth generation American engines why does 1.8 liter engine generates less power than 1.6 . Is this a mistake or an engine characteristic? Thanks. Kerem Ozgur 00:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope nobody minds me changing the format of this section a little to better reflect the questions asked by Kerem. No words were changed, just indentation changed and subheadings added Stepho-wrs 03:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

60HP = 56kW?

Power output differences are likely due to emissions reasons and possibly testing method differences. 3sgte 10:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

How about 60 HP being equal to 56 kW?Kerem Ozgur 23:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

About the conversion, I cannot say. I personally won't correct it, as I don't have the original source data, and I don't know which it the correct value. 3sgte 22:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Factory brochures of the 1100cc KE10 show 60PS. Japan used the German PS (about 98.6% of the HP value) but this was typically measured liberally (ie fan, alternator, water pump disconnnected, measured at the flywheel). Brochures for the US spec 1200cc KE11 show 65HP (not net, possibly BHP and probably with the same liberal measuring system of disconnecting anything that causes drag). I have never seen any factory documentation for kW figures for the early engines (Japan always used PS, never kW). Possibly a French brochure might have kW but I don't have a French brochure. I would trust the HP figure and mistrust the kW figure. 60PS = 59.1HP = 43.5kW Stepho-wrs 03:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

OHV?

OHV refers to any overhead valve engine, no matter if it is an OHC or a pushrod design. Calling something a pushrod engine, a OHC engine or a DOHC engine is more specific, but OHV is true for all of them. The Toyota T Engine article claims it's a pushrod engine, so I'll update this article to reflect that. Lack Thereof 23:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

1.8 weaker than 1.6?

As for the 1.8 being a weaker engine than the 1.6, it's simply because the T series engines were an older design than the A series (1970 vs 1978 are their respective introduction years), I would suspect that most likely with a less efficient cylinder head design (the A's have aluminum heads), possibly lower compression or with a bad valve angle or too small of ports for the upped displacement. Toyota never had the kind of success with pushrod designs that GM and Ford did, so it's not out of the ordinary for their pushrod engines to have sub-par performance. Lack Thereof 23:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, just added the 2T-GEU to the fourth-generation engines list, as the TE71 GT/Trueno/Levin were the last platform for the 2T-G in the Corolla. --Carcenomy 13:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This page is too large

I've trimmed it up a bit, getting rid of redundant information and streamlining it. I've also gotten rid of extra subjective comments, and updated the information box.

Mr krisp 08:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned as much as I could, but I am a bit tired. The page is looking alot better than the mess it was before. It still needs more cleaning...and better pictures!

Mr krisp 09:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning it up, I've organized the parts of the article into the three main markets, the Japanese, American and European markets and moved relavent material to them

Mr krisp 09:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Whats wrong with it being large? It doesn't seem to be rambling or repetitive. I would rather have more information than less.

[edit] Corolla years

I agree with the person below me. I think they should probably be grouped by generation, then where the market is, then what years they were produced. Japan has many variants, but few are described.

Also, a website alljapanesecars.com has pictures of every Corolla, post-TE72.

[edit] Difference in Middle Eastern/Japanese Corollas

Why is it that only the American Corolla version is mentioned in this article, while the Japanese versions of the corollas are left out? The japanese corolla's are probably the most selling corollas out there. Just my two thoughts. --64.86.18.3 13:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Probably because the contributors to this page are mostly from the US. Feel free to add information about all other Corollas. It will be appreciated. --Boivie 08:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Market differences

It seems a bit silly to have changed all the launch years of the Corolla. Restored today. It also seems foolhardy to write such sweeping statements for the Corolla that are applicable to the US market only, e.g. 'Only a sedan was available' when there were six other bodystyles on sale in other countries. Stombs 12:11, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

I based those sections on the information available. I am pleased to have the errors corrected! --SFoskett 14:00, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

SFoskett, didn't know it was you otherwise I wouldn't have been as firm! I thought it was a newbie going in. Anyway, always great to see your edits and thanks for taking my message in such a pleasant way. Of course, I expect to be corrected when I goof on US stuff. Stombs 23:36, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 series

I have moved the Sprinter Trueno "see also" comment to the bottom. Since it refers to only one generation of Corolla, it didn't seem right to have it apply to the whole page. I'm also a bit concerned it doesn't follow Wiki's make–model convention, with a series number in between.

To recognize the author of that article, I have linked and referred to it inside the discussion of fourth-generation Corollas. Stombs 22:03, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 5th Generation Pictures

Does anyone have any nice pictures of the normal 4-door AE82 Corolla (preferably the Japanese model, though the European one is barely different)? The two Sprinter Truenos there barely resemble any of the normal Corollas of the time, and I think they should be kept to the dedicated AE86 page once an appropriate picture is found.

I've added a picture of the AE86 Levin model instead because of the EU models featuring this chassis. The look of this model is, as you already stated, "more" like the other models.

[edit] Designations

Could any info/light on the SE/DX/XL(i) labels be added?

The best idea I think is to go through the available brochures, which I have done for the most part, although for some, I just pulled it out of my head.

Mr krisp 09:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Query as to best locaion for information

Hi, I recently had to search high and low for the maximum legal carrying capacity for my 2001 Toyota Corolla, and ended up having to call the dealership for the information. This information is required in my state's application for a certificate of title, which I was filling out. Since I've gone to the trouble of getting this info, I thought it would be benificial to put it on Wikipedia. Is there an appropraite place for this information? I'm new, so if this is in the wrong place I apologize (and perhaps someone could point me in the right direction?) Tsunomon 00:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC) Tsunomon

[edit] I, valve

Am I missing something? The engines are I4s; aren't they all 8v? Or does this mean 4v/16v, as oppo std 2v/8v? I'm N nuf a Toy guy to know, but that's what I'd guess. Can somebody clarify? Trekphiler 00:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

16V was introduced in the E80 4A-FE/GE series as "standard"...but they still had 8V carbed versions. they didnt swtich over to 16V for all until the E90.

Mr krisp 09:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, all the 1.3 litre E90s sold in Europe were only 12 valve engines - these may have been carried over from the previous generation. --Zilog Jones 10:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I4 stands for In-line 4 cylinder. You are right though with your thinking dude, an engine could be described as a 4 valve per cylinder. Craigjs

[edit] For sale

I don't see a date, so let me ask: when did Corolla surpass the Type 1 as #1-selling nameplate ever? (Or, we could argue, since the Type 1 changed so little & the Corolla so much, it still hasn't & probably never will, if we want a VW-Toy edit war...) Trekphiler 00:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Volkswagen Type 1 is the #1-selling car model ever, and Corolla the #1-selling nameplate ever. Didn't Type 1, by the way, have different nameplates? Like Volkswagen 1300, 1302 etc. --Boivie 09:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

No. What the "Beetle" never had was an actual standard model name. Models such as the 1300, 1302 and 1303 would exist at the same time and describe different engines and trim levels. --Pc13 19:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chassis code generations

I think the current use of things like "xE-2x" for the generations is very messy-looking, and propose instead using the same format as on the Japanese page, i.e. "E10 series", "E20 series", etc. I don't think the hyphen before the number is as commonly used. --Zilog Jones 11:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, maybe it looks better that way. I suppose the xE-7x is used, because the different models were codenamed KE70, CE70, TE71, TE72, where the first letter refers to the name of the engine used. So it's only the E and the 7 that is common for all cars of that generation. I could live with naming the generation the "E70 series". I wonder what the generations are called among Toyota entusiasts around the world... --Boivie 13:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I know why the current system was used, it's just it doesn't look very nice and some people may not realise that the x's are supposed to be wildcards. Upon some not particularly in-depth Googling, I found a lot of results with E80, E90, etc., but unfortunately with some numbers I got a lot of results of pages refering to Corollas and subsequently BMWs that use these chassis codes (e.g E30 is a generation of 3-series). This naming convention also appears to be used with other Toyotas on the Japanese Wikipedia, i.e. they use "T10 series", "T20 series", etc. for Coronas and A10, A20, etc. for Carinas, however with the Starlet they use "KP4# series" and so on - but the last number is the only one that changes within a Starlet generation as they only use different sizes of the same engines. --Zilog Jones 14:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you that the x doesn't look good, and I also believe I more often have seen the codes without the hyphen. If we need a wildcard maybe * is better than x, but "E30 series" is aslo fine with me. I believe I somewhere (Germany?) have seen the generation-names without the last number as well: E3, E7, E8 etc. See de:Toyota Starlet --Boivie 16:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Toyota's own manuals refer to model ranges as E2# (KE20, TE20, TE21, etc) or E3#/4# (KE30, TE30, KE35, TE47, etc). Most web sites follow this convention. Some refer to them as E2 but this get confusing on things like the Corona ST200 (there was a much earlier model called the ST20). Some people use an asterix to refer to multiple engine (eg *E20 for KE20 and TE20) but it's simpler in most cases to simply drop the engine letter. Stepho-wrs 05:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urgh...

Seriously, those boxes have to go... They are hard to read and serve no other purpose than being annoying to the eyes. /Grillo 17:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Made a few corrections Asteroid2C 10:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made a few corrections.

E80 series: Removed reference to Holden Nova as it is not relevant to the E80, only the E90 and E100 series. (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/vehicles.php?make=HOLD&family=PSNOVA&year=19898)

Corrected the 1C diesel engine entry as diesel engines do not use carburetors - the 1C uses mechanical injection. (Toyota 1C, 2C, 2C-T engine repair manual August 1985. Part number RM025E)

Corrected Australian E86 entry as it is RWD and available as a 2 door coupe or 3 door hatch like the European version. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86_Sprinter_Trueno)

E110 Series: Corrected the Japan 2.2l diesel engine entry. It is a 3C-E, and uses EFI. (http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota/corolla/1998_4/ )

As for adding information on the Japanese domestic models, I might be able to help. However information on these is quite scarce making it difficult to verify. Auto Vladovostok (http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/corolla/) has a very large catalogue of information on the Japanese domestic models, unfortunately it doesn't have much further back than the E90 series. I am also reasonably familiar with the Japanese diesel models as they are fairly common here in Australia (I own a CE100 myself). If the regulars here don't mind i can try to add what i can on these models.

Asteroid2C

[edit] the info box is too large

It is no longer an "info box". its a breakdown of all the Corollas with pictures of different markets, and isn't really representitive. It needs to be changed back.

That's because somebody put all the generational infoboxes directly under each other. They should have been placed at the beginning of each section. I have to be going now and don't have time to rearrange that, but if somebody could, it would be great. Bravada, talk - 10:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bad pictures

certain pictures on this page are horrible, we need images of the cars in good condition.the current pictures give people a bad impression of the cars, and are not good examples of what the cars look like.

Agreed totally. The sidepanel image of AE80 was just too horrible. I changed it to the better looking 1987model, which is more representitive of the line of quality that model offered. Great car 84.202.126.172 19:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new pictures

I agree, I noticed that when I saw the article for the first time. The second and fourth generation car pictures, for example, were suited for a junkyard... changed them to the new ones, think it looks better now. Added the first generation car picture. Asked the owner for permission. Should the second generation picture be changed to a "regular" model instead of the rallye version? It's pretty recognizable though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Realinho (talk • contribs).

Please try to get some free pictures to upload to Commons. In the "fair use" criteria it says: "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of promotional material to illustrate the work or product in question in the absence of free images that could serve such a purpose on the English-language Wikipedia.". So I suppose the recently added pictures of the 2nd and the 4th generations will be deleted, since free images are avaliable. --Boivie 11:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] images that need changing the most

the images that need changing the most are: Third generation (most 70's cars dont look good in black & white, having seen the car in color, i must say the b&w photo is terrible),Fourth generation (do i really need to explain this? :-) ),Fifth generation (bad angle, my mum drives a toyota corolla made around this time and it is a very nice looking car).this is not the only page with this problem, many pages on wikipedia have this exact same problem, and nobody seems to be doing anything.it might be fans of the newer models trying to make thier cars look nicer.--Yet-another-user 07:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

i see that this page is finaly being improved, and i would like to thank the people who are improving this page.--Yet-another-user 13:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Rather than complain, you could just be bold and do something yourself - here are some ideas:

Regards, Bravada, talk - 14:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

everytime i try to do something it turns out to be a disaster, so im a bit afraid of doing it myself. .also i dont know how to change a page.im only 15 so i dont know these things.also im confused about what images i can use. also there are no good pictures in commons.my mum owns a toyota corolla from 1986 so i will try to send up a picture of it.the Third generation picture is the worst, and i dont know how to change it. --Yet-another-user 10:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for a belated answer. I don't really believe what I'm reading, some of the most active and bold WP editors are younger than you (are you really serious?). Just do whatever you feel like, in case that's not the right thing somebody will correct that and hopefully explain why it was wrong and how should you deal with such things - that's how you learn the ropes here. Do also check your usertalk page for a welcome message - you'll find some useful links there!

As concerns photos that you can use, you can basically use any self-made photos of cars in original condition (not modded or damaged), preferably clean, and without people or personal details (license plate numbers, house numbers and such) in the photo (the license plate numbers obviously have to be simply removed from some photos, I recommend GIMP in case you don't use any photoediting software at the moment). A front 3/4s shot is recommended - like the red one in the 4th generation infobox (it's not free and should actually be removed, but that's another thing). You can also ask other people for permission to release their photos of their Corollas into public domain by uploading them to Wikipedia - a really great number of people are helpful with that! Bravada, talk - 23:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, great improvement with the pictures, especially the first two - thank God those cars don't rust to bits in Australia like they do here! --Zilog Jones 10:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

sadly i did not put those pictures on this page.and the page hardly seems changed --Yet-another-user 23:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

im having huge trouble getting my corolla images scanned, so it may be some time before i can scan them.the Third generation picture is the worst, a color image would be better(most cars look good in b&w, but some (including the 1970's toyota corolla) dont).the Fifth generation picture is also very bad, however my mum owns a 1986 toyota corolla that i hope to scan pictures of.i hate it when people assume that all teenages are great internet users.some (like me), have trouble using the internet. it may be some time before im able to scan my corolla images(probably months).--Yet-another-user 10:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: i have just sent several images to wikipedia commons, and i hope they are good.it took me a while, and i needed help from my sister, but i have submitted them.i dont know how to change images, so i hope someone else can do it.just one question, why do you have to re-register again when you submit content to wikipedia commons? im sure theres a good reason.Yet-another-user 07:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Also called" confusion

The early '80s Daihatsu Charmants I've seen look significantly different to the Corollas - I didn't even know they were related till I read this. So they should probably be in the "related" section of the boxes. Ditto with the Geo Prizm, though I don't know exactly how different it was (the early 90s ones looked more like Sprinters if anything). I think the "Also called" section should only really be used if they only differ in name or maybe slight trim differences (grille, bumpers, etc.), e.g. modern Opels vs. Vauxhalls and Holdens. --Zilog Jones 10:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not know about the Holden or Daihatsu models, but the Chevy Nova/Geo Prizm/Chevy Prizm in the US is a Toyota Corolla with Sprinter trim, Chevy/Geo badges, and a Delco stereo.Lack Thereof 00:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A proposal on splitting the article

This article gives me a headache when I try to read it, it's much too long. I say we split this up into three articles, one for the USDM Corolla, one for the EDM Corolla and another for the JDM Corolla. What do you guys think? --ApolloBoy 03:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The Corolla is a car that's been on sale for the last forty years and has been one of the most popular cars sold during much of that time. It's going to be long no matter what, and splitting it up threatens redundancy. IFCAR 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather have subarticles for particular generations carved out of the article rather than divided by markets - a good example is the Mercedes-Benz E-Class - the main article gives a good overview of the model line, history and development, and the "generation" articles provide the reader with all technical details and peculiarities. Although Corollas sold in different markets differ more than Mercs, the Corollas of a given generation sold in different markets have much more in common than Corollas of different generations sold in a given market. Articles created along the latter division lines would have to essentially repeat the same development story. Bravada, talk - 00:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Bravada, the article could be split in generation. One question: the E10, E20 etc. generation names... are officially (I mean internally) used by Toyota? If so, they could be used like this: Toyota Corolla (E10), Toyota Corolla (E20), Toyota Corolla (E30)... -- NaBUru38 02:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I would think that the Honda Civic might be a better template to aim for. The model revisions are tables, but most of the article is made of readable paragraphs. The car has been an amazing seller, but the scrolling distance from the top to the current models is perhaps a bit long. --Chrispounds 12:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's not the best example, as Honda Civic is just an underdeveloped (and quite bad on all accounts) article at the moment, this is why it appears so short. Bravada, talk - 19:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's long enough to be separated yet, and ApolloBoy's proposal would lead to a lot of duplicated material - the Corolla stayed quite similar in all markets up until the E110 when they started using region-specific body panels though the European and Japanese ones are pretty much the same again with the E120, and even then the car was still mechanically similar.

With regards to whether E10, E20, etc. are officially used, it seems it varies between documentation (see Chassis code generations). From my experience (e.g. [1]), I often see stuff like "KE30", "AE90", etc. used to refer to generations, though as several generations use many different engine series (the letters before the "E") this wouldn't be a good idea. However, the Japanese WP page for this does it in the same way as here, the Finnish page lists each variation (though with errors), and the Russian page also does the same as here. The Toyota Corona page and possibly other Toyota pages have also listed chassis codes in similar fashion. --Zilog Jones 01:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I recommend that the article be split into 2 articles - RWD (ie models up to ealry 80's) and FWD (ie models from mid 80's to current).

People interested in early models seem less interested in later models and vice versa. The only issue with this is how to deal with the AE80/82 (FWD) and the AE85/86 (RWD). --Stepho-wrs 06:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update: Time for the 10th Generation

This is it, guys. Something to lengthen the article length even further. The 10th generation of Corolla has been unveiled, but owing to temporary time constraints, I am unable to update the page with the information until Wednesday. Till then, would anyone be keen to do the research and add it in? Oh yes, and don't forget to list the future models under 10th generation. Ariedartin JECJY ^Talk 04:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Model year vs production year

I understand that in USA, cars for a certain model year usually released in the previous year. However, in the Corolla article, in the box of each generation the row says "production" not US model year. For example, for eight generation, production started in 1995 (mentioned in title line), but you are using 1996 for the production in the box. So please either change 'production' in the box to US model year or please use 1995 as production start year.

There are three such differences in the article now. This is for 7th, 8th and 10th generations. These are to be corrected as 7th production from 1991 (instead of 1992, which is a US model year), 8th production from 1995 and 10th production from 2006. Comments welcome. A4980 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Detail??

Is this article too technically detailed?? I think some of it could be transwiki'd to Wikicars, per GFDL requirements. What do people think? I might start removing parts of the article if there is consensus for it. --SunStar Net^talk 00:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You can remove (re locate into sub page) only too technical details. However, removing too much may degrade its quality; afterall, this is one of the best car pages in Wiki. A4980 22:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you want to propose what you want remove before removing it. If there is no comment then just do it. Daniel.Cardenas 19:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I had a look at wikicars.org . It is unsuitable for shifting this page to it because it is owned by a different organisation (not wikipedia) and it is explicitly US only (which sucks for Australians like me, sucks for most other countries and leaves out interesting Japanese only models). Seems like splitting the page up is still the best idea. Stepho-wrs 05:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] translation needed

What does corolla mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.192.164.149 (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

"Corolla" means the crown (petals) of a flower. It matches with Crown, Corona (crown of the sun) and Camry (KaMuRi is Japanese for Crown). Stepho-wrs 04:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article cleanup

I'm going to try and remove the technical details from this page and make it simpler to read, so it is more encyclopedic. If you support this proposal please reply here! Thanks! --sunstar net^talk 10:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I always hate removing information but I agree that this page is too big and complicated. Many enthusiasts refer to their Corollas by the model code (eg KE35 rather then as a '76 hardtop), so I'd really hate to remove the model number lists. Perhaps we could make this into an overview page, with each generation having a couple of paragraphs of introductory/background text (eg major changes and it's place in the larger world) and a link to a detail page (one detailed page per generation; containing model codes, engine details, country details, etc). Stepho-wrs 04:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I also find the model codes and some of the technical details very interesting, so please don't remove it. --Boivie (former owner of several KE70s, a KE30, a TE72 and a KE20) 07:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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