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I'm not sure wankers counts as "particularily offensive". The Simpsons Greatest Hits VHS tape has the uncut version of the episode on it and it only has a BBFC 12 on it. -- 193.60.173.86

Contents 1 GA 2 NAME OF THAT CLASSICAL MUSIC? 3 GA Review 4 Redd Foxx reference??

[edit] GA

As I have never made any sort of contribution to the article (apart from adding the commentary info), I could technically review this article. I won't for the time being, but I do have a few sggestions as if I had reviewed it.

• One of the members of U2 has no individual lines in the episode, I forget their name but it's the drummer.
• I think the main image could be better - perhaps a screenshot of Homer with a garbage truck?
• The lead needs some work. Too many short sentences.
• Perhaps the note about Linda could also go in the lead.
• "writers claim, during the commentary for "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons", that the same", I don't think there is any need to mention that it's in a commentary as its sourced.
• The synopsis needs work. There are some minor things mentioned in there that could be trimmed. For example: "Homer starts to promote his campaign. It goes sour at first, Homer bothers U2 by coming out on stage and interrupting the group's performance of "Pride (In the Name of Love)". The campaign continues to fail until Moe thinks of a slogan for his campaign: "Can't Someone Else Do It?" Homer spreads his "Can't Someone Else Do It?" message to the town, which works, leading to Homer's victory in the election. After being sworn in to the office, he shows high hopes, in a parody of "The Candy Man" from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (titled "The Garbageman Can")." I'm generally not a fan of revealing individual jokes during the synopsis unless they are major plot points and the U2 concert and song are basically episode filler, although I think they should be mentioned, just not at such length. It's a synopsis, not an episode review.

If I was the reviewer, I would probably put the article on hold. Anyway, if you like, I could not make any edits to the article and do an official GA review later. -- Scorpion 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed all of the things (minus the image which I'll get in a minute), and I've left the "in a parody of "The Candy Man" from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (titled "The Garbageman Can")." in, just to have some sort of cult ref in the article. Gran2 20:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Would you like some help with it, or would you like me to be the GA reviewer? -- Scorpion 20:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Well that depends if your going to pass or fail it doesn't it! :-) But help would be good. Thanks. Gran2 20:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll help out. If you need a reviewer, ask user:King Bee, he's been quite helpful in the past. -- Scorpion 20:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

New image in place. Gran2 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NAME OF THAT CLASSICAL MUSIC?

Does anyone know the name of the classical music that Lisa imagines playing in her head, after trying to ignore Homer? I first thought it was Goldberg Variations, but I think I’m wrong. Thanks in advance RaptorRobot 12:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It was Beethoven's "Für Elise", but please do not add it into the article, there is no non SNPP reference for ir so it will just be removed. Also stop adding "from Will Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", the link to "The Candy Man" article is enough, if people want to know where its from they can click on that. Remember its a plot synopsis, you don't need it in there. Gran2 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is well written.

   a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

• 1 (a) and (b) Prose and Structure :

1. "twenty second" episode? I think you mean "twenty-second" episode. It sounds like the episode is 20 seconds long, and that doesn't seem right.
2. The entire article needs to be copyedited. There are commas everywhere there shouldn't be, and missing where they ought to be.
3. Finally, Moe thinks of a slogan for his campaign: "Can't someone else do it?" --- This is misleading. Homer is the one that says the line, and Moe points out to him that it is a good slogan.
4. After being sworn in to the office, he shows his what he plans to do by singing "the Garbage man can", a parody of "The Candy Man"[3] entitled "The Garbageman Can". --- This sentence needs a lot of work. Try reading it; it's hard.
5. The episode marked the first appearance of Costington's department store who's slogan... --- This contains an unacceptable error of "who's" instead of "whose".
6. The writers claim that the same incident was the basis for the joke in "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons" where Moe walks onto the stage and, without breaking his stride, walks off. --- I like this information, but doesn't it seem a little non sequitur? I don't know if this belongs in this article or not. I'm just giving you my first reaction to seeing this sentence.
7. "The Garbageman" and an extended "long demo version" were later a part of the album Go Simpsonic with The Simpsons. --- This does not belong in the "reception" section, as far as I can tell.

• 2 (d) WP:OR

1. I fear that the plot summary section will be taken as original research by many, since there are no sources cited there. The rest of the article is well-sourced, try doing the same for the plot summary. Check out some other Simpsons' GAs to see how to take care of it.

Sorry, but I have to fail the article. Since the prose and structure is basically the heart of an article, failing pretty badly there will fail the entire article in my eyes. Consider a copyedit and a rewrite of the plot summary section, then renominate the article for GA status. I can tell that a lot of hard work has gone into this article, so just put in a little more. Good luck, I know you can do it. =) –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 17:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed most of errors you higlighted, but some of your suggestions I have not implimented. Your penultimate point I personally disagree with, I do see your point, but as you said is good information, and I think it probably should be kept. As for saying that the plot summary may be considered OR, I will give it a good copy edit, but I really don't think it is. See Cape Feare and Homer's Phobia.

Anyway thankyou very much for your review, I will continue to improve the article, all most of my attention will be on Homer's Phobia which, currently on PR, will soon be up for FAC. Your comments were most welcomed! Gran² 18:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad I could help. As far as Cape Feare is concerned, I would not have passed the article on the original research criterion because the plot summary has no sources. Different editors interpret the GA criteria differently. I'll look at the article again in a couple of days and then make a new decision on whether or not to pass it. Keep up the hard work, and thanks for the thank you! =) –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 19:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay I've given the synopsis a final re-write and used the official site page as a ref, and so I have now re-submitted the page. Gran² 20:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Very nice. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I was involved in other articles. Good work! –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 21:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Woo, thanks alot, you really are an extremely helpful editor. Keep up the great work. Gran² 21:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. If you have other articles that are up on WP:GAC or that you plan on putting up there that you want me to review or help you work on, let me know. It was a pleasure! –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 21:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redd Foxx reference??

The caption for the screenshot of Patterson walking off stage says it references the "Redd Foxx incident." What incident? I looking up Redd Foxx's page here on WP, and there's no mention of him ever doing something like that. Did he get angry giving a speech like Patterson or something? We need to verify this and I'm curious. PowderedToastMan 19:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Read the production section of this article, then you'll see that it is fully verified. Gran² 19:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Holy crap! Do I feel stupid, it was right beneath the picture in the Production section! My bad!PowderedToastMan 01:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

He don't worry we all make mistakes sometimes, Happy editing! Gran² 07:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)