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Contents 1 List of Past Collaborations 1.1 British-Spanish relations 1.2 English drama 1.3 Censorship in the United Kingdom 1.4 Education in the United Kingdom 1.5 Classical music of the United Kingdom 1.6 Hungerford Massacre 1.7 Ethnic groups of the United Kingdom 1.8 Demographics of the United Kingdom 1.9 History of the Orkney Islands 1.10 Communications in the United Kingdom 1.11 Cornish people 1.12 Winter of Discontent 1.13 Transport in the United Kingdom 1.14 Welsh people 1.15 Wiltshire 1.16 Human rights in the United Kingdom 1.17 Royal Mail 1.18 Licensing laws of the United Kingdom 1.19 Question Time (television) 1.20 London 2 Older collaborations

[edit] List of Past Collaborations

[edit] British-Spanish relations

An interesting and important historical topic. Neutrality^talk 16:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Neutrality^talk 16:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
2. Secretlondon 00:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
3. Nessuno834 17:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
4. 84.143.5.190 09:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
5. 80.177.110.149 18:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC).
6. Caponer 06:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Comments

• Should this article be at Anglo-Spanish relations, like Anglo-American relations is? Doesn't the "Anglo-" prefix imply only England? (ignoring Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and other parts of the United Kingdom?) Neutrality^talk 16:24, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
  • I think Anglo-American is only used because that's the more often used variation, I don't think this is true for this topic. -- Joolz 19:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I think Anglo- is generally used eg Anglo-Irish Agreement. Secretlondon 00:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
      • I'd suggest Anglo- too: BritMedia Google search for British-Spanish v Anglo.... But I suppose it depends on what you're thinking of including. I presume you're going to do a few hundred years of history in which case Scotland would require its own relationship with Spain to be separate, no? (Way out of my depth ;o). --bodnotbod 14:33, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
        • I also think Anglo- is correct. As bodnotbod writes, Scotland persued its own relations with Spain before the union with England. In my opinion, a main article Anglo-Spanish relations should be created and, when anyone is interested, Scotish-Spanish relations could be created for relations between these two countries prior to Scotland's union with England.
        • No, not "Anglo-": "Anglo-" obviously holds connotations that the relations are between Spain and England and thus can be misleading. But bearing in mind that everything is biased towards the English anyway, it'll probably end up being "Anglo-". the Great Gavini ^{reindeer post 11:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] English drama

Originally nominated for AID, but it's better focused here. Humanities topics like this are what we need to improve. A quick random glance at this article makes it look all right - relatively long, nice images, and so on. But a closer look shows that it's a jumble of unorganized information, mostly name-dropping/"play-dropping", and by and large very poorly written. zafiroblue05 | Talk 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Support

1. zafiroblue05 | Talk 23:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
2. Silence 10:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship in the United Kingdom

How can the article on Censorship only mention Mary Whitehouse once in passing? Not mention Alf Garnett and the show Til Death Us Do Part? It only passes on the former censorship duties of Lord Chamberlain's Office, and the end of the office's censorship. No real mention of the relaxation of censorship laws, and what led to it. Surely Kenneth Tynan should get a mention, the first guy to say "fuck" on TV, as well as shows like Porridge which used neologisms to get around censors. Sinn Fein should also be noted, they were censored and had TV stations had to used actors to dub over their comments. There's already some good information on there, it's not a stub, but I still think it can be expanded on a lot. - Hahnchen 01:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Hahnchen 01:02, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
2. Secretlondon 00:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
3. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 15:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC). No mention of Lady Chatterley trial, either.
4. Morwen - Talk 17:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC) also, more importantly, no mention of non-obscenity censorship like DA Notices and the Official Secrets Act, that sort of them.
5. --Mal 04:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC) I believe all of this information should be included. The Lady Chatterley event, Kenneth Tynan and the Sinn Féin voice ban should perhaps be in either a history section or a broadcast/media section.

[edit] Education in the United Kingdom

Just a list of other Wikipedia articles at the moment. Could be expanded vastly. -- Francs2000 21:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. -- Francs2000 21:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
2. Thelb'⁴ 19:27, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
3. Paul-L 18:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
4. doktorb 09:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
5. koveosd 00:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments

It is a list of other Wikipedia articles because there are two different education systems in the United Kingdom. Perhaps merging some parts of the articles together to provide a summary of education in each country in the UK would be better while keeping the list to provide a more in-depth view of each?

[edit] Classical music of the United Kingdom

We have a well populated category - Category:Classical music in the United Kingdom, but a summary article would be nice. Not sure whether it should at this title or at Classical music in the United Kingdom. the wub "?/!" 10:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

1. Oldak Quill 15:45, 28 July 2005 (UTC) PS. I have taken the liberty of changing the name to one which is more inline.
2. --Mark Lewis 21:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC) I favour Classical music in the United Kingdom, firstly because of the category title, and also as it offers greater scope for the article. I'm amazed this doesn't already exist! NB Music of the United Kingdom and its template.
3. Francs2000 | Talk 16:47, 16 September 2005 (UTC) Edward Elgar, Vaughan Williams, Gustav Holst, Paul McCartney? - Could be an interesting write.
4. Of and in are different articles.. Secretlondon 00:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hungerford Massacre

At the moment this article is basically a lead section and nothing else. It ranks pretty highly in google and I'm sure we can do better. -- Joolz 15:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Joolz 15:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
2. Francs2000 | Talk 16:51, 16 September 2005 (UTC) Good call
3. An important subject with shameful coverage here. --Celestianpower ^hab 20:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
4. ant_ie 13:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC) This was an important part of English History
5. Wackymacs 16:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
6. Secretlondon 00:36, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic groups of the United Kingdom

I think that we should have a general Ethnic groups of the United Kingdom page, seeing as we have done several individual groups. --βjweþþ (talk) 18:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. βjweþþ (talk) 18:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
2. the wub "?/!" 09:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
3. shuri 15:30, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
4. Francs2000 | Talk 16:48, 16 September 2005 (UTC) Yes it would be controversial, but I think it would be worth it.

Comments

• This topic could be problematic, like List_of_ethnic_groups. There are over 60 ethnic groups defined by the UK census, which is by no means a comprehensive list. Many of the categories are problematic, and a lot are simply nationalities and countries. You'll also get people including 'Geordie', 'Scouse', 'Cockney', 'South Londoner', etc. I will probably support a more clearly defined topic, but at the moment I can't see how Ethnic_groups_of_the_United_Kingdom will differ from List_of_ethnic_groups. zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

• This is going to be groups in the UK List_of_ethnic_groups is all around the world. Also, it won't just be a list. --βjweþþ (talk) 16:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

• I agree I'm afraid. We have minorities of pretty much every group in the UK - we don't have a grip on ethnic group within the context of the UK anyway. Do you need to have a connection with Modern Celts to qualify? Secretlondon 11:56, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics of the United Kingdom

Very stubby, another dump from the CIA which could be improved. (see demographics of the United States for a good example) -- Joolz 21:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Joolz 21:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
2. the wub "?/!" 09:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC) - anyone good at maps?
3. zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
4. --Celestianpower ^{hab | myRFA} 21:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Orkney Islands

There isn't any info on the Orkney page either. It has a long history and I believe it could be expanded. Falphin 29 June 2005 17:58 (UTC)

Support

1. Falphin 29 June 2005 17:58 (UTC)
2. Darkfred 12:51, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
3. Secretlondon 11:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
4. Hahnchen 12:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Communications in the United Kingdom

This is linked to from United Kingdom and is just stuff from the CIA fact book. There is loads of stuff that could be written about this - for example we have lots of stubs on television masts like Emley Moor which don't obviously link in anywhere. This needs to cover stuff like BT's network, NTL/Crown Castle, military networks (there is loads on MOD comms you'd be surprised), internet topography etc. I think all major links on United Kingdom should be prioritised. Secretlondon 28 June 2005 09:43 (UTC)

Support

1. the wub "?/!" 30 June 2005 09:05 (UTC)
2. Joolz 23:21, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
3. bjwebb 18:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
4. David | Talk 11:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cornish people

We have English people and Scottish people, but not Cornish people; we really need to have article on all ethnic groups of the United Kingdom. Neutrality^talk 08:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Neutrality^talk 08:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
2. There are a lot of people groups that have no article. And they all deserve one. Falphin 01:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
3. Yes, after we've done the Welsh people, the Cornish should be next. An interesting group, in linguistic, cultural, and political terms. -- The Anome 11:29, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
4. yep. Secretlondon 06:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
5. Could be interesting -- Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 22:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
6. Since we've done Welsh people, it seems natural to do this one next. -- Joolz 17:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
7. the wub "?/!" 30 June 2005 09:06 (UTC)

[edit] Winter of Discontent

A pathetic stub on an important topic! So much more could be said about this. -- Joolz 28 June 2005 23:37 (UTC)

1. Joolz 28 June 2005 23:37 (UTC)
2. Talrias (t | e | c) 28 June 2005 23:58 (UTC)
3. Yes this is lousy :) Secretlondon 29 June 2005 12:32 (UTC)
4. Joe D (t) 29 June 2005 19:30 (UTC)
5. Vamp:Willow 1 July 2005 11:18 (UTC)
6. Warofdreams 1 July 2005 14:04 (UTC)
7. G-Man 3 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)
8. David | Talk 5 July 2005 10:21 (UTC)
9. geodynamo 5 July 2005 14:54 (UTC)

Comments:

I thought this should probably be at Winter of Discontent as it is a proper name for the time period (like Middle Ages for example). I didn't want to move it as I wasn't sure - thoughts? Talrias (t | e | c) 29 June 2005 12:39 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested moves has some guidelines for requesting community extra input on this. Joe D (t) 29 June 2005 19:30 (UTC)

I agree, I think "Winter of Discontent" is the better title. I don't think anyone's objecting to moving it so I'll do it in a few hours, if nobody beats me to it -- Joolz 30 June 2005 10:45 (UTC)

Just did it; redirects redirected ... --Vamp:Willow 1 July 2005 11:18 (UTC)

hehe, I knew if I stretched those few hours out enough someone would, thanks :) -- Joolz 1 July 2005 11:49 (UTC)

[edit] Transport in the United Kingdom

Sadly lacking in the background, history, current issues of the subject. Also, a major link on the page for the United Kingdom. (Nominated by Mark Lewis) -- Joolz 15:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Support Joolz 16:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support -=# Amos E Wolfe #=- 23:41, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
• Support Smileyrepublic 12:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support Francs2000 | Talk [[]] 22:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support Secretlondon 00:33, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support the wub "?/!" 19:42, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• SupportBrainyBabe 20:27, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support — Trilobite (Talk) 17:27, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh people

We have English people and Scottish people, but not Welsh people; we really need to have article on all ethnic groups of the United Kingdom. Neutrality^talk 08:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Support

1. Neutrality^talk 08:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
2. The Anome 11:52, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
3. Falphin 01:07, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It looks like this will be the COTW for this week, I've written the tiniest amount to start us off. -- Joolz 12:30, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiltshire

Can do better. Little more than a stub with an infobox and a list. Joe D (t) 10:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Human rights in the United Kingdom

There is a lot still to be said here, especially with recent legislation on ID cards, terrorism and the UK's past history during wars, etc.. Talrias (t | e | c) 14:46, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Mail

Seems a skimpy list of events for a major part of British culture. Project could be expanded to take in Post Office Ltd etc. 82.43.137.103 02:06, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) User:davidbod

Support. Talrias (t | e | c) 23:19, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Licensing laws of the United Kingdom

(originally nominated as Licensing law in England and Wales)

So that those German spies can blend in the bit better. Actually, it's sort-of an interesting subject, certainly something confusing to tourists (and, TBH, I'm not very sure of it myself), and it's just recently changed and is sort-of in the news (see Licensing Act 2003. "In E&W" as (a) people get upset when you (correctly) refer to the area in legal terms as just "England", and (b) I understand that both S and NI have seperate rules). James F. (talk) 11:51, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps the whole of the UK could be covered, just in different sections? -- Joolz 15:28, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree, perhaps Licensing law in the United Kingdom. I think there would be a fair amount of duplication between the three articles if we had one for Scotland and N.I. as well. Sections would be best IMHO. Speaking of that, there isn't a general licensing law article (just Alcoholic beverage#Legal considerations). Talrias | talk 15:50, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I'm for this article (or Licensing law in the United Kingdom) to become the UKCOTW. Whilst I was typing this it occured to me that it should perhaps be Licensing laws of the United Kingdom (rather than law in) -- Joolz 22:11, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree, so as this got the most votes it's been made UK COTW, with the title you suggested. Talrias | talk 17:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question Time (television)

This is one of the foremost political discussion shows on UK television and the article is just a couple of paragraphs long. I've added some information but there's still lots more which could be said IMHO. Talrias | talk 20:34, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

1. OwenBlacker 09:14, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] London

Look, I know this horribly violates the "stub" rule, but it is so close to being a featured-standard article. All it would need is a little TLC to get it there (and someone has nominated Paris on WP:FAC today: it is in a similar state to London, and we wouldn't want to be beaten by the French again in one week, would we...) ALoan (Talk) 16:49, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

1. Support, as long as History of London is included, that needs much work. G-Man 21:35, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
2. A.K.A.47 (Talk) (The world's greatest city - pity about the article) 20:39, 10 March Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Older collaborations

Older collaborations can be found at Wikipedia:UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW/History.