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[edit] Akhanda Bharatam
Who coined this term?
Manjunatha (9 Feb 2006)
can someone add a map showing all baaratah varsh
[edit] Greater India
I don't see the rationale of the merger. Greater India is a cultural term, while Undivided India is a political term. However, since Greater India was already there, I also added Indies. Logically, both should be separate articles. deeptrivia (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Greater vs Undivided
Political undivided India is far smaller than so-called Greater India. Greater India itself is also far smaller than what is claimed in the article. For example, how can "all of" Tibet and Myanmar be claimed as "historical homelands" of Hindus, and therefore Greater India? This is irredentism taken to ridiculous heights, if it is as claimed. I've never heard of Akhand Bharat involving Myanmar or Tibet. If it does, it might as well also draw in all other areas that were simply influenced by Hindus (Javanese, Champa and Khmer kingdoms) and Buddhists (Korea, Japan, Thailand). --SohanDsouza 21:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Hinduism is not the basis of Greater India. It might be that of Akhand Bharat. Greater India is purely a cultural term, based purely on past cultural influence, and has no political connotations. Of course, now even those cultural influences are gone (e.g., in Central Asia.) This term is kind of similar to Indies, which is also called "East India". I've seen maps of "Akhand Bharat" that includes Myanmar. These were drawn in the 20s and 30s, when Myanmar was politically a part of India. deeptrivia (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Category
I removed a category recently added as this page is a historical reality and not comparable to other entries under that particular category, that is Category:Irredentism. --Bhadani 16:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, one should be familiar with the topic in its entirety and that would involve reading of history of the Indian subcontinent, and not forming opinions based on the information available in wikipedia only - people may have added here contents which may not be relevant to the historical and legal concept of Undivided India. This requires removing those contents and not categorizing the page as Irredentism. --Bhadani 16:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh, but I think the irredentism category is quite apt for this article. Regardless of the "historical reality", irredentism is the refusal of certain folks to accept present legal and political reality. "Undivided China" used to include the state of Mongolia and the Russian province of Primorye in "historical reality", but if any Chinese tried to seriously lay claim to these today, I would not hesitate to call it irredentism. --SohanDsouza 11:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, fine - category readded. In case, you were so sure, you could have done this yourself. Nice meeting you. --Bhadani 06:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss it first. :-/ --SohanDsouza 09:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sistan-Balochistan
I dont think this Iranian province had much to do with Indian civilization. The Balochistan region in general was an intermediate region between Ancient India and Ancient Persia and fluctuated between both(Achaemenian or Mauryan) or stayed separate. Eventually, it was Iranianized and remained an Iranian frontier between Persia and India until the Mughals and the British annexed it into their Indian empires. It may have had prominence in it's eastern area (part of Pakistan) but I dont think the modern-Iranian Sistan-Balochistan area was apart of Indian civiliation. The rest of Pakistan probably did and maybe eastern Afghanistan (around Kabul) but not Sistan Balochistan. -User: Afghan Historian
[edit] Akhand Bharat Campaign
Refrence: [[Campaign]http://www.hindujagruti.org/cia]
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an intelligence agency of the United States Government, responsible for obtaining and analyzing information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and reporting such information to the various branches of the Government. CNN is America's No. 1 cable news network and world-renowned news agency. And The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is the largest publicly-funded radio and television broadcasting corporation of the United Kingdom. They have deliberately cut off Kashmir from the rest of India and offered it to Pakistan and China.
CIA has published a 'The World Factbook' of the nations of the world. The distorted map of India as shown in this protest campaign is represented in this book. Most of the world's websites, universities etc refer to this book as a standard version of the world's known facts. They regard it as the official version of the map of India. Thus 90% of the maps of India available around the world reflect this biased version. Are we as Indians, born of this land going to take this silently?
The partition of India and Pakistan occurred in accordance with the 'Indian Independence Act' passed by the British Parliament on 1st July 1947. There has been no alteration to the international borders set up in 1947 till date.
This is NOT a mistake due to ignorance! CIA, a powerful intelligence agency of the US government and CNN has all the information about foreign governments in their hand. They have deliberately distorted the truth. To aid researchers, the Indian government has also placed an official map of India on the website. The United Nations (UN) has clearly mentioned in its asian map that the "Final Status of Jammu and Kashmir has not yet been agreed upon by parties." (i.e. India and Pakistan) Even then why have the "Fact-masters" ignored these official documents and supported Pakistan by upholding their version of map. This clearly indicates CIA, CNN and BBC's prejudiced leanings towards Pakistan and thus that of US. They are the new invaders of our motherland.
[edit] Maps
I readded a deleted map to delineate the information juxtaposed next to it. The regions highlighted in the map historically have Indic cultural influences. Thus, a visual is appropriate. Thanks. I hope this helps. AnupamTalk 07:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] mergers
alright, the discussion of the term "India" is spread over too many articles at the moment.
- India (disambiguation)
- India (word)
- Greater India
- Indosphere
- Indian subcontinent
- South Asia
- (see also wikt:India)
we need to centralize this discussion. This article isn't about "Undivided India" so much as about listing all these terms. it would be best to {{move}} this article to India (and the present India to Republic of India) and make it a summary discussion of all these terms. It's just too damn confused as it is now. dab (𒁳) 08:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
