Talk:Uzbeks
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The origin of ethnonim itself is in dispute. One view holds that group name derives from Uzbek Khan, though the nomadic Uzbeks were never subject to him. Etymological argument states that the name means “ independent” or the lord itself”, from Uz –self, Bek- a noble title of leadership.(Uzbekistan. Golden Road to Samarkand, p.31 - book of the Oxford University historians)
- The most popular point of view, represented in the Encyclopedia Britannica, for instance, is that the Uzbeks take their name from Uzbeg Khan, just like Nogai people take their name from Nogai Khan. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, which you cite as your source, actually says that Uzbekistan was part of the Golden Horde, of which Uzbeg Khan was the most famous ruler. Uzbeg's name is translated as "the lord of self" or "independent", as you correctly point out. If Uzbekistani scholars are so full of megalomania as to think that the name was applied to theeir nomadic ancestors not to the great khan, it should be expressly stated in the text that such an opinion is prevalent in Uzbekistan.
- In any case, removing the redirect is unacceptable: it doesn't state that Uzbeg and Uzbeg Khan have something in common; it simply informs people searching for "Uzbeg" that Uzbeg leads to the article on people and they have to click Uzbeg Khan to get the article on the ruler.
Image is given by the artist itself here in Uzbekistan. It was photographed and saved on the disc. AcademicResearch 15:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
- Can you explain what is wrong with Prokudin's fine picture? Why do you consider the people photographed by him in Samarkand as Kazakhs? Prokudin-Gorskii's photo is preferrable because it was taken before the Russian Revolution and consequently is copyfree. Your modern illustration is apparently subject to copyright; and Wikipedia discourages using copyrighted images. Please make sure that it is not a violation of the painter's copyright. --Ghirla | talk 15:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much AcademicResearch 15:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alina Kabaeva image
Just wondering about Alina Kabaeva being included in the picture of "Uzbeks" since isn't she actually of Tatar ancestry not Uzbek ancestry? I think part of the confusion is due to her being born in Uzbekistan. Abstrakt 02:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
you have deleted Alina Kabaeva's image why you don't include many famous Uzbeks image who lived from X century until now. Many fellows and great scientists lived in Uzbekistan.
---I think the ones who edit the content are anti-uzbek. Please be neutral, especially when you are writing about other people.
[edit] Totally mess article
After reading the article i came to opinion it was written by pan-Iranist or pan-aryan people who wrongly illustrated the picture. I am from Uzbekistan and ethnic Uzbek. Please note the term 'Uzbek' became in use only in 1924, before the people Uzbekistan were referred by the city he or she lives. Outside people, mainly nomads called them as 'Sart' meaning 'settled'. (however the real meaning could be 'merchant' since most people were engaged in trae). At the moment, Uzbeks combine all Turkic Karluk-speaking (even tajik-speaking) people of Uzbekistan.
The territory of modern Uzbekistan was conquerred for many times. Uzbek khan in 14 century or Uzbek Shaybanids cannot be taken as identification of Uzbek ethnic. Since the word "Uzbek" existed during Tamerlane (no link to Uzbek khan or Shaybanids) and 7-8 centuries when earlies Turkic tribes invaded. Since Shabanid dynasty ruled over Central Asia until XX century, it is possible people were lately identified as Uzbeks. But still Shaybanids have less impacts on modern Uzbek ethnic.
Ancestors of modern Uzbeks are both Turkic and Sogdian, Bactrian and Toharian who were assimilated. The proof is preserved traditions. Uzbek culture is mixture of Turkic and Iranian. But Uzbek people usually do not consider themselves as turkic or iranian. There are a few pan-turkist among Uzbeks and most of them believe that their ancess Modern Uzbeks have been formed during the Karakhanid dynasty.
Before posting article you should know Uzbekistan itself and Uzbeks, their culture, traditions. Regions of Uzbekistan differ not only in traditions but also dialects and even sometimes outlooks of people. Uzbeks are between Caucasoid and Turkic in ethnical terms and the former leads.Simply Uzbeks are Eurasians, mixed of different ethnics.
Uzbek language is Turkic close to Uyghur (because of Karakhanid) and the culture is close to Iran. But for centuries Uzbeks have developed own cultural identity.
Actually, Vladimir Dzhanibekov should not be included here. He was actually Russian but actually adopted his Uzbek wife's family name. Le Anh-Huy 05:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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