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[edit] Mikhail Gorbachev

I don't know who it was that added "Great Man" to Zangief's ending but I'm adding the Gorbachev apearence for the Trivia section.

SSF2 ending --DanHibiki 21:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zangief and homosexuality

The part about homosexuality has been removed until someone can offer up any real documentation or real examples as the Vega-Baka example makes no sense. Vega being an idiot correlated to homosexuality how? It could just be he believes Vega to be stupid. user: CunningLinguist

Sounds fair enough to me (check the history of this talk page to see what I've put there before, but decided to take it off due to its tone) but... why did you remove the Japanese link? As far as I can tell, it does point to the correct article in the Japanese Wikipedia, so I'm putting it back in. – Kaonashi 18:27, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Err, sorry about that, I didnt meant to remove the Japanese link, I just removed the homosexuality paragraph and didnt notice I was removing it as well. My fault. Feel free to add it and anything else you feel pertinent that I may have changed as well.--CunningLinguist 07:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's alright. We've had some problems with Zangief regarding this before, so It was me who modified that part to what you saw. I tried to NPOV it as much as I could, without taking it off entirely (since some people seemed decided to keep it there). But it's okay. I don't think that homosexuality stuff should be there at all. Not because of the subject itself, but because of the lack of proof. – Kaonashi 01:08, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please add some sort of documentation/backup to the homosexuality bit or else it will be removed soon. If so many people beleive this there should be SOME documentation online.-CunningLinguist 05:15, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It has been more than a month that User:DarkSoldier has failed to present substantial (online) proof about what he claims, regarding this subject. For that matter I have added a {{disputed}} tag to the article, so that other people may easily notice this and perhaps state their opinions as well. Something should be done about this. --Kaonashi 02:23, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Indeed, his profile does say "嫌いなもの: 飛び道具　妙齢の美しい女性" This translates to "Dislikes: Projectile Weapons, Young Beautiful Women" Amusingly, though not very to-the-point in this case, his likes are the Cosack Dance and Wrestling. Unless I'm missing something, though, there isn't any mention of homosexuality in the rest of the Japanese article. --User:TheStripèdOne 4:09, 17 June, 2005

According to Tiamat's Street Fighter Plot Guide, which is based on official Capcom publications, Zangief is indeed gay. All of the evidence he references is Japanese, so I cannot find and translate evidence on my own, but he provides several examples. Apparently, it is stated explicitly in The Official Street Fighter 2 Fanbook. His win quote against Ryu in Zero 3 is "I don't like projectiles, but I like you personally...." His profile says he dislikes "young beautiful women". The Capcom Fighting Evolution ending could be taken as a joke, seeing as compilations are not canonical, and is presenting the exact opposite of what his persona is. --User:El Cid 07:45, 1 May 2003

the guide’s conclusions are based on suspicion only. There is no Capcom published information that states Zangief is gay. Street Fighter Eternal in particular does not mention anything about Zangief's sexual preferences. So don't go accusing anyone on pure speculation.

Regardless whether or not he is gay, he doesn't like beautiful women, period. So the Capcom fighting ending is utterly wrong. The proof I had to support this is in the american version of Street Fighter Eternal. Though, I haven't read the book myself, I emailed Tiamat's and he said they included that info in the translated version. So we can throw out the ending in the latest game. Besides, the ending is also drawn by Udon, so most likely, they goofed up.

If you guys don't believe me, buy the sfe book and see for yourself.

Also, if any of you guys can read japanese, it would be best to find these source books that state he is gay and scan the page to show one of you guys to translate it and confirm it.

It's pretty clear to me that any claims that Zangief is gay are a stretch, at best. I think his membership in the LGBT Video Game Characters category is based on someone's political agenda to portray more video game characters as gay, rather than on any real evidence. 65.110.224.198 06:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Zangief is a closet gay, ok? It's not uncommon for gay stars to get into a fake straight relationship so the all the rumors and stress related to them will stop.

Zangief gay? lol. that's too funny. Well technically muzhelozhstvo (Men lying with men) was ruled as illegal in 1933 by Stalin in the Soviet Union. But these laws have likely been lifted long ago. Three cheers for the queer cossack.--207.225.65.89 06:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that it should be mentioned that he is gay at least in the japanese continuity, since the japanese book "All About Capcom" and the older "Official Street Fighter 2 fanbook" says he is and he says "I don't like projectiles, but I like you personally...." in the japanese version of Street Fighter Alpha 3. Caesarcub 18:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• No, it doesn't. From Tiamat's plot guide (which cites both books as a reference):

....well, okay. From what Saiki TOLD me (I'm researching), Zangief IS gay. Makes me look at his SF2 ending at quite a new light, now. "You dance very well, Mr. Ex-President." And one of his CvS2 win quotes is "My body is perfect! I should be in a magazine!" And there's also him prancing around in a succubus body without any emotional turmoil impact in Lilith's Marvel VS Capcom ending... Oo I'm not sure if that proves things there, but Saiki said that he's gay. Actually, the Japanese stereotype for a gay man is a big hairy scantily clad (usually in something like a thong) man, often with a mustache. Well, Zangief fits most of the bill, sans the 'stache (which I guess would be what Eagle's there for). On a side note, although the "dislikes young women" thing was added to his bio only recently (come SFZ3), Zangief's SUPPOSEDLY been officially gay ever since he was first designed. HOWEVER, other people who can read Japanese have been kind enough to try to get and dig through official sources so far, and so far have been unable to find the official statement that states Zangief is gay. So the newest stance the plot guide must take now is that there is some evidence, and one of the guide's most trusted people said he got it from official sources that Zangief was gay, BUT we have yet to be able to dig up the source now and that guy kinda... dissappeared off the face of the internet. More CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence is things like Zangief's special intro with Eagle (which MIGHT be a joke on how both men are gay, although it could also just be a simple display of how they both have whirling moves) and one of Zangief's win quotes to Ryu in Street Fighter Zero 3 (yea, the Japanese version has character to character win quotes that Capcom of USA didn't bother to translate, though I'm sure they would have cut this one out, anyways). "I don't like projectiles, but I like you personally...." I've been told that SFZ3 quotes like this one imply heavily that he's gay worded in ways where the implication is meant to be obvious (but of course could be lost in the translation when non-Japanese readers read it). The phrase is "Omae wa suki da!", which can be a phrase for someone confessing feelings for someone else. HOWEVER, as no official statement can be found despite our searching, right now all I can say is that it's POSSIBLE that Capcom meant to IMPLY a gayness POSSIBLY but not as obviously as they did with Eagle, until further information can be turned up otherwise. Perhaps it's just meant to be an ambiguously gay-type joke, even.

Nowhere does it say that AAC or the SF2 Fanbook specifically says he's gay. Please don't make up facts. Danny Lilithborne 22:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I understand he IS the japanese homosexual stereotype. Large, muscular, hairy, in a speedo. JaderVason 12:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It says so in the Japanese books that he is gay. Just like Eagle some of his quotes in the various games give some light to this (Japanese versions) Jamesbuc

No it doesn't. Either name specific sources or just drop it. Dr Sarcastor 23:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mecha Zangief

Metal Zangief sounds like a homage to Colossus from the X-men if you ask me, especially as it appears in Marvel vs Capcom. Invunerable metal plated Russian muscle men aren't that common! Is this worth mentioning? Coyote-37 11:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• It sounds like a minor coincidence to me. Danny Lilithborne 21:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
• I'd agree with coyote37. Sorry for putting it in before coming here, didn't think it would be disputed, but it seems very likely to be related. Both are Russian, both are big burly fighters, both have grey metal skin. That, combined with the fact that they are in the same game, makes it more than likely they are connected. If Zangief were like that in any other game then yes, it would probably be coincidence. But in a Marvel game? As coyote says, there are too many common factors there for it to be coincidence (the very fact that the two of us have seen that should count for something). I'm not going to try adding it again, but in light of more than one person suggesting it it should at least be re-considered. Prophaniti 17:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Prophaniti
• Two people seeing a similarity does not a reference make. Unlike other more definitive similarities such as Eagle and Freddie Mercury, Iron Body Zangief could easily be a coincidence, as he spoke of having an indestructible body long before the crossover series. Unless a Capcom developer explicitly says it's a reference, it's not going back. Danny Lilithborne 21:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• A boast of an indestructible body could well be just that: a boast. But the same colouration and character within a game like that is too much to be a coincidence. Ultimately the similarities at the least warrent a basic mention of the possibility, and possibilities are not inherently against wikipedia, it is full of them. The two of us seeing it (as well as other people I have spoken to who are not on wikipedia) does not inherently make it correct, true, but it gives those in favour of it in the article greater numbers than those against, at least for now. A majority such as that is itself reason enough.

Is there a sourced reference for this..? I've searched about and found none. If this is something to speculate about, then its best left to the reader. This isn't something we base the construction of articles upon. This should be removed unless a source is provided that attribues this claim as offficial fact. -Zero^Talk 09:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• I think there's some confusion here about what is being suggested exactly. It's true that to put in something saying they ARE connected would be too much. There is no evidence that they ARE connected. But what is being proposed is something saying they MAY be connected, and there is plenty of evidence for that much: the number of people who have seen it is evidence that they MAY be connected. True, there is no direct quote from a maker of the game, but a good 70% of wikipedia does not go to this level of confirmation, and that would be unnecessary.--Prophaniti 12:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

So is this data. By merit of noting this observation its irrelevant anyway. If readers make a visual connection then we leave it at that. As neutral editors of an encyclopedia that is overstepping over capcity as wikipedians. Control yourself. -Randall Brackett 13:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Woah seems some people cannot grasp the ideal of a manly man being rather flaming. Jesus.