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[edit] Sikhism

Why did you do this? Respond on my talk. Arrow740 00:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There were no spelling mistakes, and what I wrote is fundamental information about Sikhism. Arrow740 07:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Hi, how are you? It is nice to see that you have returned. There is a discussion here which you may be interested in about censoring swastikas here. Thanks GizzaChat © 03:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Hinduism-related Collaboration of the week

You have been invited to help improve the article Sita Ram Goel in this weeks's Hinduism collaboration. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. See also these related articles. [1]

You can also vote for next's week collaboration at the project page: Wikipedia:Hinduism-related Collaboration of the week. Unfortunately, the Collaboration site is little known, that's why the reminder. --Bondego 14:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SFD notification

This message is to notify you that a stub template and category that you created ({{Hindu-theo-stub}} and Cat:Hindu theology stubs) is up for deletion at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 19:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Jinnah and Iqbal

Your insistance on keeping your favourite version of the article is proving my theory about "Indian lobby occupying most of Pakistan related articles". This behaviour also proves the facts which I have been adding to Iqbal and you have been vandalizing against. Secondly Indian should be redirected to Indian subcontinent or removed from the both articles. Szhaider 02:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You have to tone down a lot. These so-called featured articles are heavily edited by Indians to favour their intentions and agendas which include you too. E.g. Jinnah's article claimed that he supported a secular Pakistan. When I removed this outrageously false claim, it was you who was quick to revert it. Now I have provided solid proofs against your claims and I am waiting for whoever would be shameless enough to revert it. Indian's redirection to disambiguation page is not valid as it does not specifically indicate that the subject of the article lived before the creation of Bhaarat. "Indian" should redirect to "Indian subcontinent". I think you do have to care a lot about it. Szhaider 22:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
His complaint has some legitimacy. You should have outsourced your block to another admin even though it was valid. Get some non "Hindu fascists" and non "Indian imperialists" to eview it, or post on ANI.Bakaman 01:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm true, but I still dont think it was a prudent move. I'm just saying it makes more sense to get someone else to do it. WE'll see how WP:ANI takes it. The reason I was telling you to be cautious is that Tango (talk • contribs) revert warred with myself and other Hindu users on Goa Inquisition and threatened to block us. Nick and I took it to ANI and Tango got smacked for abusing his powers, something which the "restorers of ancient history" may try on you. The quotes are euphemisms for words I would rather say.Bakaman 02:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply ...Re: Jinnah and Iqbal

Dear Ram Arrow i saw ur comments on Szhaider page,well i do not have to talk about it. However, it does not change the fact that both Jinnah and Iqbal are known as "Indians." There was never any British South Asia, British Indian or any such compromise - Jinnah and Iqbal are both on record describing themselves and the country as "India. u might be correct but officaly they were from British India rather then Just india and Jinnah died as pakistani Citizen.i reader of amar jaleel(he is one who is and was agnist partitaion,well things and we are now two different countries,what i am trying to say is that according to amar jaleel he him self and all other who were born at that time ,were birtish indian nt just india ).if u want i can send u some of his articles? Said Gud

Khalidkhoso 06:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi Arrow check it http://www.sacw.net/partition/AmarJaleelMarch06.html this articel was DAWN(Birtish India ,nw pakistani Biggest english pakistani news paper). even this is story but it tells many things from History.i know u must be having lots of prof aganist this but i just wanted to clear things ,u must be supporting some author of ur area as i do. Porposal so not why not divide every article into section india point of view and pakistani point of view (including all pakistani articles and indian articles?).Rama if we would nt hav differences then there would not have been 3 wars between our countries accept it as fact.(history is like coin having 2 sides positive(favouring) and negative(aganist))

Sadin Gud

Khalidkhoso 06:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Ram how ru ,how is life. I got ur message so though to reply back. i still arug that there was Birtish india (even Jinnah and iqbal accepted themself as indian),there are many more who will never,i should draw ur inttention to other regions(before birtish india there were many part of aghanistan,iran were seprated states those were not governed by Hind( now Indians) rulers(in history)? but right after brtish those were taken in there curstordy and they were ruled , from hind(now india) those were part of British india(Like Kalat state ,it never been part of Hind or sindh at all).if you are not accepting that there was no British india then in which country you will put (kalat state ,wel nt atleast in Hind(now india)?).if u will then u r rewriting history.beaucse Balouch satate have nothing common with Hind and it had nothing to do with it.if there was no Birtish India(then which country ruled on kalat state for 100 years or more?).

for more check it http://fpc.org.uk/(Why Balochistan Matters)

Khalidkhoso 13:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

I read your background and being from India can you please join the discussion on the following two topics:

Aga Khani Islamic Cults

My Indian and Pakistani friends told me that the term Aga Khani is proper and is applied to people who follow Aga Khan. However, one user does not think so, so I am looking for people from South Asia to enter this debate. Secondly, on the article on Islamic Cults, I would like your help and see what you think in putting the various sects in one article so users can than look up one article to find all the different sects or cults.

Thanks for your help

trueblood 03:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:disputes

I have posted a message to respond to [Nobleeagle]

I hope you read it carefully.

I am very concerned about Pakistani history being claimed by Indians.

I won't have time to discuss it anytime soon,but I will discuss it for sure,if you're willing to dicuss it with an open mind.

I hope you read the entire message.

Regards.Nadirali 17:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm being harrased

Hi Nirav,

User:Unre4L is really getting to my nerves! I've been patiently putting up with the nonsense Unre4L and Co have been peddling. I've even tried to reason with them, but its clearly of no use. For all the trouble i take, i've been getting bogus warning on my talkpage [2],[3]. Then i get reported to PAIN for just one-off incivilty! What'd i do to get these spam-warnings from people who only seem to be revert waring over talk-page tags!Amey Aryan DaBrood© 15:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm also being harrased

Dear Admin
If you notice, I have never engaged in edit wars. When I put up a tag or make a correction to a page, I dont touch that article again if the article is re-edited by another user (which happens everytime).
Also, I would like to point out that I never insult any user, unlike User:AMbroodEY, who openly makes insulting remarks to justify his edits, instead of actually posting sources.
His claim that he has tried to reason with me couldnt be more false. This user always ignores the sources and arguments I post. Basic facts are ignored and articles are edited back without any credible sources.
I must state though, that you seem to be on their side more. I did not make any accusation, but stated what I observed. In some of the conversations, User:AMbroodEY clearly attempts to harass me, and has no regard for the validity of the articles. I honestly dont know how to go about this, and nobody is willing to help me with him either.
I dont know what he means by bogus warnings. Both times, I issued him a warning for insulting me or Pakistanis, and both times he edited my post, or scored out the warning. Does this sound fair to you?
--Unre4LITY 17:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Pah... I'm not even talking to you. Your 'warning' to me was even torn to shreds by PAIN monitors. While i did apologise for that incivility, it was not a serious personal attack to merit a warning on talkpages. Warnings are meant for continued personal attacks! Get it?

As for your "sources" random Pakistani propoganda sheets from geocities donot meet WP:RS. As for "insult", in my books calling a spade a spade isnt an insult! Frankly i dont know why you are making such a big deal about this. One admin did call India a "s**** hole", and still kept his sysop priveleges. I didnt see anybody "warning" him... BTW It would be better if you provided diffs rather than gaming Wikipedia system with bogus reports.Amey Aryan DaBrood© 04:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nirav, I reviewed the block on User:Unre4L and the user's recent contributions. The block looks justified to me. However, after I blocked this user for 3RR previously, he cried foul and accused me of bias, so I'd suggest someone less involved review. Hope all is well, BTW -- Samir धर्म 06:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude i reread your comments. I must emphasize i havent indulged in POV-pushing or disruptive behaviour. I have patiently put up with crap from User:Nadirali and User:Unre4L since november. I have been here for over 2 years, i dont have a block log and have contributed to 2 GA's. Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington may vouch for my conduct. These users for their credit have done very lil' here than revert warring and revisionism. As for the warning, i dunno why is he making such a big deal out of that. I was stupid enough to make wisecracks at him on Talk:Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar and dont ever plan to do it again. I did apologise for the personal attack [4], he went ahead and complained to WP:PAIN anyways. I believe you are supposed to warn people only when WP:DR fails. I for my part am ready to resolve this with Unreal and Co. directly provded they stop their knee-jerk accusations of "Hindutvadi", "imperialist"... yada-yada...

BTW these guys have created a meatpuppetry forum http://www.pakhub.info and even wrote a WP article about it!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakhub . They are openly recruiting on WP [5], [6]. To equate my behaviour with Unre4L's is unfair!Amey Aryan DaBrood© 08:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outstanding protection of the Sikhism article against vandals

I and the whole Sikh nation give this to you my friend.

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I give this to you for exceptional antivandalism duties and fighting vandals on the Sikhism article, the whole Sikh Nation is in your debt Sikh historian 08:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your 1-week block of Users Szhaider, Nadirali, and Unre4L

Dear Rama's Arrow, As someone who has done battle on occasion with all three users, I nonetheless feel that your recent week-long blocks of them, especially the latter two, are a little heavy-handed and over the top. I feel that they should have been given more warning, and perhaps slapped with 24-hour, or 48-hour or even 3-day blocks first. I went back and re-read WP:NPA, especially the following, which I'm sure you well know:

“ In extreme cases, even isolated personal attacks may lead to a block for disruption. Legal threats, death threats, and issues of similar severity, in particular, may result in a block without warning. However, administrators are cautioned that other resolutions are preferable to blocking for less severe situations when it is unclear if the "conduct severely disrupts the project". ”

In light of the above caution, I actually went through Unre4L's "contributions" log between the time you gave him a warning on his talk page and the time you issued a 1-week block. Although, I am sure you have your reasons for blocking him/her, I personally couldn't find anything that disruptive, and feel that the 1-week block is extreme punishment for the crime at hand. I am not asking for your reasons, but simply that two neutral administrators (like say Dbachmann, Nichalp (if he is not too busy), Saravask, Ragib, or Aksi_great) review the blocks, especially those of users Nadirali and Unre4L. Thanks! Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

without looking into this in detail, Nadirali has disruption blocks in his blocklog, and an escalation of block length may be arguable; Szhaider and Unre4l just have 3RR blocks. Especially since this is a "partisan" issue of Indians vs. Pakistanis, I think you should be careful with meting out summary 1-week-blocks. I agree that Unre4l is not constructive at this point, and a slap on the wrist block may certainly be in order, but I would recommend you start with 24 or 48 hours. You can always escalate to longer blocks if the short ones betide no change in behaviour. regards, dab (𒁳) 14:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Nirav edits or uses his admin tools on the lines of "Indians vs. Pakistanis". I have not reviewed the blocked users' edits, so I cannot comment on the validity of the blocks. However, I have seen Unreal's edits on the adminstrators' noticeboard – [7]., which were not made in good faith. Kindly review your stand on the matter. — Nearly Headless Nick 15:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
um, I am not contesting the validity of the block. I am saying a full week is too long for a first-offence "disruption" block. A 24 hours block may impress on a GF but wikiquette-unsavvy user that we mean business. A full week will just reinforce their impression that they are the underdogs bullied by evil Pakophobes with admin buttons. Thus, I humbly suggest shortening the block, but I will not comment on the matter again unless pressed to do so. dab (𒁳) 12:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Doods,

Let Nadirali speak for himself! Today it's (Wikipedia) has been hijacked by fanatics(including some from India)who edit war in groups to maintain control of articles and controlled by little boys and girls who are given administrative powers and would be considered immiature in the real world. . Amey Aryan DaBrood© 16:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Rama's Arrow, I am not saying that any of the three blocked users is faultless. As I mentioned above, I've battled them, especially user Szhaider, who can appear both abrasive and paranoid; however, I wonder if some of their reactions are the result of their feeling that "Indian POV-warriors" are ganging up on them and that they are hugely outnumbered.
I've had occasion every now and then to see things a little from the blocked users' perspective. The last one was last night, when I was editing the Harappa page and noticed that some users had tried to add the "Sanskrit" script to the city's name in the lead paragraph. See the discussion on the talk page around this issue. I thought it was odd that the same editors who were keen to see Sanskrit, didn't bother to go to an Indian IVC site like Lothal and, likewise, insist that Sanskrit be added there. I also noticed that sometime in October, an IP had added (without attribution) a profusion of text that had nothing to do with Harappa, but had been copied from the US Library of Congress's article on the Vedic Aryans. Subsequently, well-meaning editors had Wikified the text and created three sections that again had little to do with Harappa. So, I made another posting on Harappa talk page about copyvios and then deleted the irrelevant sections. Of course, what I noticed might not be the norm, but the result of chance edits piling up on chance edits, but the confluence of circumstances did make me wonder if some mischief was not afoot. No one has challenged my deletions yet, but I also wonder if a similar deletion by our blocked editors would have gone similarly unchallenged.
I don't have any hard evidence, but my sense is that the "Indian POV-warriors" are a little more Wikipedia-Rules-savvy than their Pakistani counterparts; while the former might not use words in the same uncivil class as "Hindu imperialist" (used, for example, by user Szhaider), they do use more acceptable but similarly exasperating expressions like "Indophobe" (and in one case even provided the Wikipedia link to it!) This, in conjunction with the Indians' larger numbers, perhaps creates a kind of "besieged" mentality among the Pakistani editors, provoking the latter into striking out in uncivil ways.
Anyway, this particular block will soon pass, but I'd be happy if there is increased sensitivity among administrators (Indians and others) about this issue. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

He was calling my edits "disruptive" without even providing diffs for my 'disruptive' behaviour.... I feel compelled to defend myself.Amey Aryan DaBrood© 20:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Then perhaps you should impress upon him, making insubstantiated allegations against me is not the best way for arguing for a unblock.Amey Aryan DaBrood© 21:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I meant it when i apologised... Though Unre4L's aubsequent actions made me change my mind... i for my part under take never to insult Unre4LAmey Aryan DaBrood© 21:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

He seems to be asking for some sort of a ban for me! Some start...Amey Aryan DaBrood© 21:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Szhaider

I should intimate you that User:Szhaider reverted [8] edits you made to his user page [9] Rumpelstiltskin223 03:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, your concern couldn't be more wrong. I have followed just the "instruction" from an "admin" aka Rama's Arrow........... Szhaider 04:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't bother to revert such edits -- will only work against him. Keep cool! utcursch | talk 13:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for the unexpected note on my talk page. :D These userpage vandals can go some strange unwanted places. Bobo. 04:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block of 70.49.171.110

Hey, I see you took some flak for some blocks you made earlier, I'm not here for any of that, I trust you did whatever you felt was right. Anyways, what I was wondering about was if you could drop a quick block notice on User talk:70.49.171.110 regarding your block so when they show up in the future it's easier to tell they've got a past history. Thanks a lot for your help. --Matthew 07:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Uncivil Remarks and Warning

Dear Rama's Arrow. Thank you for your very kind note. If you don't mind, I'd like to clarify what you are warning me about and ask a few questions:

  • I do understand that both Iqbal and Jinnah are featured articles; however, in my opinion, both leads could be improved stylistically. I did the same with the India article (also FA) lead in November (in collaboration with Nichalp, who offered his criticism, every now and then). How do I make similar changes to the Iqbal and Jinnah, if, for example, I happen to think that the leads are poorly written, and in need of stylistic changes? Please advise.
  • I happen to intellectually disagree with you on your use of both "Indian" and "India." I am aware that there is a discussion page where these issues are being discussed. I have already posted a note there and will post more. But, my understanding is that no firm conclusion has been reached on that page about usage (by your own admission in an earlier posting on my talk page and by Deeptrivia's reaction.) Am I right in that conclusion?
  • You said that I made uncivil remarks. Where did I make uncivil remarks? Please give me some concrete examples. I'd like to know, so that I'm more aware of what constitutes incivility and don't err in the future. Thanks!
  • I am assuming you are warning me not to edit-war. Does it mean that if I revert your edits (without violating the 3RR rule and without being uncivil in my edit summaries), you will still punish me by blocking me? Please spell it out clearly for me. I am relatively new to Wikipedia and would rather not have too many "gray zones."

Look forward to your replies! Very best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

PS Also, what is an RfC? Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
-Nirav, I think you need to not get caught up in the recent hysteria. I also think that your comment on Fowlers page is unnecessarily aggressive in nature, even if you use polite words. I agree with most of the things and actions you have taken recently but their are -other- admins in wikipedia and you are starting to get too involved. I would strongly recommend that you should distance yourself from the on-going debate (at least in admin context) and let other admins do the job when warranted. Please consider this as a friendly advice. --Blacksun 10:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rama's Arrow: I'd like to respond briefly to your last post on my page:

  • With regards my uncivil edit summaries, here is my perspective. I edited the lead of the Iqbal page on the 16th. I made a total of 6 or 7 edits and provided edit summaries for each. Please see history of edits. Nowhere did I say anything about assuaging anyones emotions etc. I said the term "British India" was more accurate (not neutral). A day later, you reverted all my edits, with the edit summary, "rvv- "neutral" term is not the goal. A "factual" term is. We do not invent or reinterpret terms to assuage the emotions and POV of Indians or Pakistanis, or anybody else." The comments seemed to impute both reasons and motivations inconsequent to my edit summaries. I therefore wrote in my edit summary: "What you consider factual, I consider normative. Don't see why your version is more factual. Please discuss on the talk page first. rv to f&f version." Why is my edit summary any more uncivil than yours? I had said nothing about Indian or Pakistani POVs or assuaging or appeasing anyone or their feelings anywhere. I hadn't used the word "neutral" either, but rather "accurate." (Please examine the history again.)
  • You say I didn't reply to your explanation (posted January 14, 18:01 and 18:09) of your initial block of Szhaider, nadirali and Unrea4L. As a matter of fact I did reply. After reading your explanation, which seemed reasonable, and also seeing the sentence, "I am completely willing to continue this debate to help resolve this issue," I sent you a long reply on January 14, 20:52. However, I didn't get a reply from you (and still haven't). Recall that both my posting were about all three blocks Szhaider, nadirali, and Unre4L, not just the last mentioned, and its title said so. It was only the next day, when I didn't hear anything from you and still later, when I discovered that Szhaider's block had been extended, that I went to ANI. Finally once there, it was only when I saw what appeared to be quickly escalating talk of permanently banning him, that I made my first ANI post, which merely questioned the wisdom of their proposals. All this while, there was no intimation from you either on my talk page or on ANI, which came a number of days later. I think it would be hard to make the case that I didn't try. I am still happy to discuss all three blocks, if for no reason other than my feeling that the blockees haven't clearly understood the reasons.
  • As for your feeling about my "sarcasm and antagonism" on ANI, it would only be proper for you to discuss it there. Since my views were expressed in a public forum, they should be discussed in that same forum. You have my permission to post both your "Let's make it clear" posting and the follow-up posting (from my talk page) on ANI.

Finally, for the record, I don't have any personal antagonism towards you. I hadn't heard of you until last weekend and haven't made any character judgments in this brief time—it's not my style. I've interacted with both Indian and Pakistani editors, and don't have any tribal allegiance to either tribe. If my language appears terse from time to time, it is mostly because my life is busy and I can edit only in brief snatches of time. I am happy to work with you on both the Jinnah and Iqbal leads and to carry on the discussion on the disambiguation page.

Very best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Rama's Arrow: Sorry that you are upset.

As for Iqbal and Jinnah I used "British India" for both. Please see here for Iqbal and here for Jinnah. Maybe someone changed one of them after my final edit.

With regards nationality, I am not using the expression "British India" (or other expressions for that matter) to describe nationality, but exploring these usages that get around the thorny issues of nationality. I know that many South Asianists in American academics, including the author of the Encarta article, are having to deal with these issues.

For example, when one says "X was the greatest chronicler of British India," one could mean "of the British in India." In contrast, "X was the greatest writer of British India," could mean (depending upon X) that he was the greatest writer to have come out of the British empire in India or associated with the British empire in India. Neither expression implies anything about nationality since X could have been a British citizen all along. All I am saying is that, similarly, I am trying to explore descriptions that get around the thorny issue of nationality, but nonetheless are informative and accurate (and aren't neologisms). Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expanded

Please have a look at Churulia and Ajay River - both have been expanded. Regards-- P.K.Niyogi 17:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent revert in B. R. Ambedkar

You recently inserted the following sentance on B. R. Ambedkar. "In addition, some Dalits who converted to Buddhism have rioted against Hindus and desecrated Hindu temples, often incited into doing so by anti-Hindu elements and replacing deities with pictures of Ambedkar. " Since you are an administartor, I believe it must have been done in good faith. But it looked like a POV and I found no references to this. So I put a {{fact}} template there and edited the sentance. I am sure you will soon provide a citation. El elan 11:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

This is in response to your reply here. [10]. I went through that edit again. You removed the following sentance,
"There were silent protest by Ambedkar followers (at Ramabai Ambedkarnagar , Mumbai) but Police had opened up firing and it killed several people. The officer in charge (Manohar Kadam) of this firing is still not punished. “
and replaced it by
"When the following year similar disturbances occurred, a statue of Ambedkar was destroyed. In addition, some Dalits who converted to Buddhism have rioted against Hindus and desecrated Hindu temples, often incited into doing so by anti-Hindu elements and replacing deities with pictures of Ambedkar. "
As we both agree, both lacked sources. But we do not have a policy of immediately removing un-sourced material. When I looked at the sentence you removed, it appeared to be without source but not a POV, nor something that could never have happened. In fact, if you had just googled it, you would have found many sources as I have found. So I have reinserted it after some minor edits. I believe "blaming police" is not un-encyclopedic. Regarding the sentence you inserted, we both agree it is a POV. So I have removed the POV part. I feel that sentence has no place in an encyclopedia; an obvious POV. So I feel that this revert was not beneficial to the project and might cast unnecessary doubts on your neutrality. (In case, you find that the citation provided now establishes it, please re-insert the “often incited into doing so by anti-Hindu elements” part) El elan 04:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review - Matt Norman

Hi there Could you please review your deletion of an article I put up that you deleted.

Article Matt Norman

Below is the opinion of another administrator? Thanks in advance. Filmnews2007 05:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Re. Please tell me why you have deleted my entry - third time?

Hello. I believe that the article in question is Matt Norman. I did not delete this, but after checking the deletion log I can inform that it has been deleted three times by three different administrators. The reason stated for deletion was the speedy deletion criterion A7. This criterion states that an article may be speedy deleted if it provides no assertion of notability of the subject. After viewing the last version of the article I believe that it did assert notability. I recommend you to take this article to the deletion review and try to have the deletion overturned. I hope this helps. Regards,--Húsönd 12:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Matt Norman. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Filmnews2007 06:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gandhian economics

Do you know something about Gandhian economics] ? deeptrivia (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I've created this article after some research and nominated it at T:DYK. Please have a look in case there are any errors. Rama's arrow (3:16) 17:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Add the article J. C. Kumarappa to that. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 18:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
--Yannismarou 20:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long
Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey
May there be many summer mornings when
With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time

Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey
And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something
To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable
This is my assistance with anything I can help.

[edit] Hey

Hey Nirav, I looked at ANI and saw your concerns. For some reason the site's not working for me. Just wondering if you could do a quick check to see whether there is any mention of me on their threads, thanks. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 05:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Taj Mahal RFC

I've filed an RFC relating to the Taj Mahal at Talk:Taj Mahal#Request for Comment: Inclusion of minority points of view. Your comments would be most welcome. Joopercoopers 18:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Energy: world resources and consumption

Could you please look at Energy: world resources and consumption and comment if it is ready to be a featured article? Thank you for your help.
Frank van Mierlo 12:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review the article. Frank van Mierlo 20:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fellow wrestling fan

Yo yo yo, pop a 40 and check your rollies! It's ImmortalKaine! I really don't watch WWE that much. TNA all the way! I am the self proclaimed Mr. TNA and the resident TNA Authorite in the WWE Fan Club on www.serebiiforums.com (same name, currently banned til 1st of feb for a stupid reason)

Eddie Guerrero died 1 day after my birthday. My b-day is Nov. 12th (1987) so it was a shock when I went on the WWE site the day after my b-day to see eddie had died.--The guy who stole your watch,ImmortalKaine 06:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sheikh Mujibur Rahman: External Links

Hi, Can you please update the url of http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/*.HTM to http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/*.htm . Thanks. zbd 10:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help Wikipedia: WikiProject Protected areas of India

I would be glad if u help us in Wikipedia: WikiProject Protected areas of India. None of us are much experienced, we need some experienced persons like u. Kindly review the Project and do some inclusion or correction if u feel, see its talk page for more and specially in craeting the templates. Amartyabag (Talk) 11:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ads

This anon is adding a link to a travel site to lots of India articles: [11]. Arrow740 08:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nadirali

Does these posts [12] canvassing for edit-warriors and this post to my talkpage [13] constitute harrassment? Rumpelstiltskin223 21:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I will do exactly as you say :) Rumpelstiltskin223 21:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ip attacker

Hi. regarding your block of this ip [14], he appears to have resurrected from another ip from the same domain and is attacking my user page [15].

This has been going on for a while:

[16][17][18] [19][20]

I was confused as to who he culd be. Then he made an interesting post to Sir Nick's talk page:

[21]

leading to the conclusion that these ips are all the sock of banned user Mustafa Bhai. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I have some more things on User_talk:Aksi_great#hi and User:Bakasuprman/87. Bakaman 03:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your block of User:MinaretDk

Hello. I noticed you blocked MinaretDk for 48 hours and did not leave a detailed rationale for your block, or even a notice of it, on that user's talk page. Please do so now. It is unreasonable to expect administrators considering his or her unblock requests to wade through all of their recent contributions to find the specific incidents/behaviour for which you executed the block. If you cannot provide such a rationale, then I would be inclined to unblock them. - Mark 04:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thank you. - Mark 04:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conundrum

Hi there,

I am almost at the end of my tether with bickering on the Talk:India page. A number of editors, some well-intentioned (like user:Indianstar and user:AJ-India) and others of uncertain intentions (like user:Sarvagnya) would like to add (or, have already added and which I then reverted) various portions of text to many sections of the India page, an FA. These proposed edits, all initially made by user:Indianstar are not minor (i.e. they are of the size of a small paragraph), and they have not been discussed before. I have tried to start discussion going on the Talk:India page, for example: see Example1, or Example2 (the title of this section has been changed retroactively by user:Sarvagnya from "History section" to "Fowler's High-handed Reverts"). The problem as I see it is that the edits are either controversial, or cover old ground, or too listy. I get the feeling that these editors are not really interested in discussing the issues because they keep accusing me of "making a mountain out of molehill" or semantic obfuscation. Their view is that their edits are common-sense and 1 or 2 KB or text is no problem, and that no time should be wasted on discussion, especially elaborate discussion like mine. Here is an example of some responses: Example3 and Example4. In the background, user:Sarvagnya seems to be egging on the other editors to go ahead and add the reverted material again before the discussion is complete. I am trying to hold on until Nichalp returns from his vacation on February 4, but in light of user:Sarvagnya's unmitigated hostility, I am concerned. She/He has used uncivil language consistently. Here are some examples of language directed at me:

  1. "Will someone do me a favour by drilling it into his skull ..."
  2. "hiding behind an admin to justify juvenile editing practices ..."
  3. "Just improve it. Dammit."

In spite of my civil reminder to desist (see here), she/he has continued with his uncivil language and earlier today she/he changed the title of the discussion section retroactively from "History Section" to "Fowler's High-handed Reverts". (The discussion section incidentally had been started by me.) I am trying to keep my cool, but it is frustrating to hear such language consistently, when most of me, judging from the level sophistication of her/his writing, is itching to say something. Any advice will be welcome. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Another mischevous act of misrepresentation of my stand by Fowler. Anyway first things first. Talking of decorum or the lack of it on my part that Fowler seems to be harping on, may I remind him that he has called me a vandal for no reason other than his own ignorance of the rules.

His condescending edit summaries, couple of which I have pointed out on the India talk page, smack of unbridled contempt for the efforts of other editors; not to mention his ignorance of several WP policies.

And indulging in revert after revert after revert without any explanation whatsoever is like dealing a slap on the other editors face with scant respect for his/her efforts. Forget simple reverts, for someone who acts so very 'holier-than-thou', did he even bother to let people know before he rolled the page back two months?!

Its one thing to play to a gallery of admins and another to not lose sight of objectivity. He royally betrays his misplaced priorities at every step. He seems not to or not willing to understand that issues like style, formatting, grammar, article size etc., are NOT excuses to blank content or roll pages back two months!!

For example, there was this content about G4 and India's bid for a permanent seat that Indianstar had added. A bid for the permanent seat is an extremely significant and notable fact about India as is its space programme and its nuclear programme. So says commonsense. But not Fowler. He simply goes ahead and blanks it out offering no explanation other than another of his ill informed edit summaries(rv content that was added without discussion!!).

And when other editors decide that they will brook no more nonsense and demand an explanation of him, he comes back and sheepishly says that Indianstar's version was too wordy and that he'd have no objection if the same was mentioned more concisely as they've done on Japan!! So in effect, he has blanked out(vandalised??) content which even he agrees with, simply because the fact wasnt worded well??! What does he think he's doing! Has he even heard of cpedit?

And it is not like I am taking exception to his reverts because I have some sinister agenda. I've observed his editing behaviour since the last two months. And I see a disturbing and disruptive pattern and that is precisely why I've said what I've said. Its not like I am against every revert he does. Some, like the one he did today(the Afghan historian one) are certainly justified. But such ones are very few and far between considering that he has dozens of reverts to his name (counting just just this one article) in the short time that he's been on WP.

Sample the facts that he's blanked out:

  • India's bid for a permanent seat
  • India's nuclear capability
  • India's successful space programme. and many many many more.

Explanations offered : NONE. None until fellow editors took him to task. Sarvagnya 21:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Just saw your message. Fowler's high handed reverts, blanking of content and unilateral rollbacks have been as uncivil and unprofessional as it gets. And can you please point out where I've edit warred with him. If anything, I've been patient and not undone even one of his reverts even though I take serious exception to it. Thanks. Sarvagnya 21:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
There has been an RfC of sorts on Talk:India for the last couple of days and both Indianstar and AJ India have disapproved of Fowler's editing habits. Both have indicated that Fowler merely keeps splitting hairs and making mountains out of molehills. Chanakyathegreat has also in the recent past disapproved of Fowler's blanking/reverts. I am sure there are others too. Many I guess are too tired to even comment there. An article can be optimised for prose, size etc., only after content has been added not before. Blanking out legitimate content simply because it is too wordy or has bad grammar is disruption if not vandalism. Sarvagnya 21:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I pray that you not lose sight of the real issue while focusing on my 'incivility'. Apart from the couple of "dammit"s, I've been very sane and civil throughout. And his edit summaries that sound like "hey you!.. i trashing your content coz you didnt discuss this ahead of time.." are extremely uncivil. Far worse than civility issues, his editing habits are extremely disruptive. Even Indianstar made the observation that thanks to Fowler, hardly any productive editing has taken place on the article in the past couple of months. Sarvagnya 21:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I surely cant be faulted for being incivil to a vandal(if that is what WP calls someone who blanks legitimate content like Fowler) or a disruptive user. If anything, I've been kind to fault by not slapping him with {test} tags for vandalism and such. Sarvagnya 21:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
And between all this, I did even invite comment at the village pump yesterday about one of the things thats dogging the India page, thanks to a great extent to Fowler. Just FYI Sarvagnya 21:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
What Nobleagle has to say on dab's page. Sarvagnya 21:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your reply, your action, and your suggestion; likewise, I would like to apologize for my own rudeness during our earlier interchange. The RfC sounds like a good idea. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

PS Hi, I've started a RfC Talk:India#Request_for_Comment:_Adding_new_material_to_the_India_page_history_section. Any comments and feedback will be welcome! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Habz

Remember Habz (talk • contribs)? Back under new IP and the same trolling 84.9.47.91 (talk • contribs). --Ragib 01:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Gandhian economics, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On January 31, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gandhian economics, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 22:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On February 2, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article J. C. Kumarappa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 
Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 04:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfB

Thank you for participating in my recent RfB. I'm concerned, however, that you think I put less thought into my nomination than Taxman did in his brief comments. I'm interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion, as I spent a couple weeks working on how to best describe my opinions in my answers to the basic questions. I also took time to carefully consider how to respond to each question that was asked. As such, I'm not sure how Taxman could have possibly put more thought into his brief comments than i put into my nomination. Yes, Ryulong's unexpected controversial promotion caused a lot of concern, but my thoughts on applying were only cemented by that as I thought I'd bring some fresh views to the job. Several people even commented similarly in the RfB.

I appreciate any insight you can give me into your reasoning. Thank you for your time. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA considerations for Language Movement

Hi Nirav, For quite some time, a quite young volunteer of our Bengali-wikipedia project has devoted his time to develop the article Language Movement. This year marks the 55th anniversary of the event (21 Feb, 1952). Since this is a huge month long observance in BD, and an event part of the national culture, I think we will soon try for an FA drive for the article.

Right now, Tarif is working on getting book references. He'll probably add a lot of them. I'm just giving you a hint that we may soon need experienced copyeditors/FA developers like you to take a look into it. Of course, you don't need to start on that right away ... I'll give you another message when I think we have enough referenced material and pictures.

Thanks in advance. --Ragib 22:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Tarif is actually a College student of HSC, so you'd have to excuse his English. He does have a lot of enthusiasm, having taken it as his goal to make it into an FA... you'd be surprised to know that he is editing this using his cell phone's slow and very very pricey Internet connection. I gave a speech in Dhaka on the 15th of this month, and met Tarif there ... and saw his great enthusiasm.
But you are right, the language can be polished a lot, and also, npovized. That's exactly why we need experienced people to join this. Feel free to copyedit the article now. Thanks. --Ragib 23:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


"Bangla" is what Bengali people call their language. The English language term for this language is Bengali. Voice of America uses the term "Bangla", but the majority of English language publications use "Bengali". In the past, I had supported "Bangla" word usage in WP, but now, I think the more common English language term "Bengali" can be used, at least for the time being. It's a compromise we have to make until the right word becomes part of English :). --Ragib 01:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Looks like I need to be good in english. Ha! Ha! Ha! Thanks a lot for the barnstar.Tarif from Bangladesh 18:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure, you can start it right now. If you want me to do any specific thing for the article please let me know. I was thinking about highlighting the political activities during the movement by creating a section in Language Movement article with giving link of a separate article named Role of political parties during Language Movement. Anymore ideas? Please let me know.Tarif from Bangladesh 19:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I am trying to find books but most of the websites do not allow me to get in. What should I do? Would I provide the links at the talk page? Anyway Ragib bhai has collected some. please have a look at talk:Language Movement.Tarif from Bangladesh 10:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why

Why did you block me? Their was no personal attack, nor was their any edit warring(i changed the article twice). You could have at least given me a warning/explanantion of what i was supposedely doing wrong.198.7.249.101 23:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Their was no disambiguation when i changed it to British India, no disambiguation when i changed it to Karachi, Sindh, nor is their a disambiguation while i am writing this. It still links to ROI. Note i didnt change Indian Muslim as the disambiguation was provided. As for Sanjay Khan, and the Hindu community i didint insult them, i just stated a fact that he would not be accepted as a pathan. If you dont believe me thats your problem. I suggest asking a pathan. Basically you didnt like the fact that i changed Jinnah's birthplace, so you made up a reason to block me. Dont block me in the future without a just reason.

[edit] Protection

While the article is protected I don't ask you to revert Minaret2k but I ask you to take a look at the version and please just reword it so that it no longer sounds like Hinduism is an evil religion that sanctions, as a religion, the mistreatment of Dalits and the practice of Devdasi. It says that it is a religious practice, that Hindu religion promotes 'sexual slavery', and is a huge breach of WP:Undue weight. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 03:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol, your already being accused of enough admin bias against non-Hindus. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 03:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Hi, I wouldn't say I am a real party in this edit war, but I'll take a look at the issues and address them on the talk page. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Please help!

Dear Rama's Arrow, there is a new user (User:Fuzzone) adding original research in the martial race article saying Sikhs are racist and think others are inferior and saying Guru Gobind Singh says this. Please can you tell this user original research or opinion is not allowed in Wikipedia. Tell him you will block him if he carries on with this intention of rubbish and dirtying the name of the Sikh religion. And also keep an eye on martial race article making sure no one adds it in again. Thanks my friend--Sikh historian 16:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Aagris

An editor has nominated Aagris, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aagris and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 09:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ok review it and edit it

Ok then review and edit the martial race article Sikh section for POV and other no allowable things he has put it back.--Sikh historian 13:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] main page ...

Check out Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/February_10,_2007. Congrats to you ... for yet another main page FA :) --Ragib 04:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, there is a lot of vandalism expected at the article, starting from this evening when it goes to main page. Keep a watch on the page ... --Ragib 19:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I have checked the paper (emailed you about it). It *does* say that the term for presidency was 5 years. Any other citations to back the "president for life" thing? Otherwise, I guess we should change it. --Ragib 23:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re. the youtube link in external links section on Sir. Iqbal, i think if Youtube does not object to any copyright issues on the video clip, we can use it on wikipedia as a link. Khokhar976 10:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great

Great job their at the language movement. As you know, I am not doing my part sincerely, I would try to turn those red links into blue along with searching references. Please let me know (even if i don't accomplish), if there is something for me to do.Tarif from Bangladesh 19:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello...

Hi Nirav,

Well i'm trying to take a wikibreak but cant resist bumping in here once in a week or so! Anyways I think both BhaiSaab/MinaretDK and HKelkar might be socking at Hindutva. I'm pretty sure that User:Neptunion [22], is a sock of MinretDk... Do file a ChckUser request with Bryant, I atm dont wanna get meself involved in his mess. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 21:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your note

Hi Rama, You left a warning on my page when clearly a group of editors are engaged in nothing more than reverting my edits, on strange grounds.Do I not have any freedom to contribute here.Neptunion 23:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] accusation of rudeness?

I'm but sorry but where have I been rude? I asked how his grandfather's seeds were. How is that incivil? I also asked how he was doing and also how his grandfather was going. He said he was bangladeshi.--D-Boy 09:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Having read the comment, it is actually a obscene derogatory one, a slang. That's not rudeness, that's downright objectionable obscenity. Whatever problems you might have had with the user, that doesn't justify making such comments, and such comments are blockable offences. --Ragib 09:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumpel talk page

No objections. I would have done it myself. Didn't realise it was protected. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Talk:Sindhi literature

I add Indian tag on Sindhi literature because there many Sindhi writer (from India )who inspired me from there writing so I though it would be not to add there current country name, Generally literature have not bounders ,I read Guru Rajnesh even he is Indian and hindu . Khalidkhoso 15:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Rama

Thanks dear. Khalidkhoso 15:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


I am thankful to wiki Indian who allowed me to add Sindhi (Arabic-Persian) on Sindhi oriented peoples (L .k Advani and Pankaj Advani) living in India .strange I was opposed by Pakistanis? Khalidkhoso 16:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA
Thank You,
Rama's Arrow/Archive2007-A for your Support!
Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.


...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Our Disputes

I understand we have had our disputes regarding various topics, and I would like to point out a few things I think you could improve on. Please consider Good Faith here, as I did take your suggestions very seriously. I will attempt to solve debates as Neutrally as possible. I wont give you the chance to question by behaviour, but please do note comments from the opposing side when looking at my comments.
I would also appreciate a warning (the same kind you hand out to other users when they use explicit language), even though I have never used explicit language, I understand you find some of my comments controversial. A warning will let me know what to change in my comments.
Since you seemed to have missed my talk page, I would like to bring to your attention, that you made a mistake when extending my ban. The ban you initially handed out to me started on the 23rd January. You specifically said "Your ban has been extended to a duration of 2 weeks", however I was banned till the 10th February. I dont know if you lost count, but I am just making you aware of your mistake.
You also made several accusations, of me being Anti Jewish, and also mentioned my "Pakhub agenda". Once again, I would like you to assume good faith. I have no agenda, All my arguments are backed with facts, and I certainly dont have anything against Jews. If you had taken a closer look at my comments, you would have known, My comment was in defence of Jewish people, when a troll made an attack on them. I am sure you misread the comment, and I forgive you for that, even though it was very hurtful, especially when you had banned me, and I couldnt defend myself against this accusation. And when I did, you seemed to have ignored my comment, and blocked me for "block evasion".
What I am trying to say is, I would appreciate if you assumed good faith more often, and let me know if I am doing something wrong. You should know I always take constructive criticism seriously, and act on it.
Thank you for your time
--Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 02:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hkelkar indef

I completely agree with your block. I would have done it myself but I wanted some other admin to block indef. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info :) I was wondering if it would ever make it to the main page. I will go through the articles to see if there are any changes to be made. - Aksi_great (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikistalking and harassment

Your message on my discussion page viz " Please do not leave messages such as the ones you did on the userpage and talkpage of user:Szhaider. It construes stalking and harassment, which will not be tolerated. You will be blocked without further warning. Rama's arrow 15:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)"

I wish to seek a clarrification ....can I post my message which you have removed from Szhaider s page in my own discussion page , and just preceeding your message , as a response to your warning message to me for wikistalking and harassment . I would like to put this message so that anyone visiting my discussion page may know the specific context of this warning .

You may on the other hand like to consider the motive behind user Szhaider keenness to remove this message , considering I have only recorded the diversity of his own posts .

The constructive reason for this message that I had posted on user:Szhaider page is that it certainly informs other users also about the mindset of this poster with regard to India related subjects .

Please confirm my above request , as I have no intention of transgressing wikipedia rules and I also wish to put your warning on my discussion page in proper perspective to those visiting my page . I am sure posting this message on my own discussion page should be considered OK as per wikipedia policy .

Cheers Intothefire 17:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Gosh that was fast ..... OK point taken .

)

Cheers Intothefire 18:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

First of all thank you for protecting my user and talk pages. Secondly, I wanted a little break from content and other disputes for some time. You can notice from my recent edits. Now you are pushing me into another lengthy discussion at ArbCom. Please note that my strong reservations against you are atill intact, however, I just want to stay a little cool for some time. Nevertheless, I will mention my reservations if I am obliged to participate in any discussion regarding our mutual disputes. Szhaider 18:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thoughts on the RFA

First let me state that I have believe that you are a good and neutral admin who has not let religion/country influence him. That being said, one of your current stances does seem a bit odd, no denying the disruption/disturbance caused by the group you have mentioned in the above RFA, but in behaviour they have done nothing different from what another group has been doing. That the nation and religion and theories that help add to the nation/religion, and an attempt to "correct" history and influence of "others" is what you have accused Pakhub of, well these have been stated intents of editors of Indian origin too, and you know the editors. One of them might have got into an arbcom and banned, but not because of his "attempt to clean up wikipedia" ( read push his on POV for that) that you are accusing this group of. The cabal and tag team exists this side of the border too and though you are not supporting them / helping them ( as another admin does), your ignoring their transgressions while accusing another group of the same ( ie POV pushing) is not balanced. Haphar 08:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just some thing I dont know myself

Since I don't know all the formality for using Wikipedia to do intricate stuff and I am too busy/lazy to read the fine prints, just wanted to tell you that User:155.69.104.27 contributions are susceptible, and may be some blocked user evading block (or some unblocked user just forgot to login). If you can do something of this data, please go ahead.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 12:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel(Talk) 21:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rfa thanks

Thanks for the support on my RFA. It passed successfully with just under WP:100 supports and 1 oppose. I look forward to serving the community as an admin. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 18:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Bengal Portal

Portal:West Bengal has been vastly improved by riana_dzasta and S.D. ¿п?, with automated selection of articles. It is now a Featured portal candidate. Please have a look. Regards -- P.K.Niyogi 04:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject History of Bangladesh

WikiProject History of Bangladesh has started. It needs members and participants. Aditya Kabir 11:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom case

That's very high-minded of you, but then you're a high-minded guy.
Good luck.
JFD 18:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] India-Pakistan evidence

Info The arbitration committee has asked that evidence presentations be kept to around 1000 words and 100 diffs. Your presentation is over 3200 words, with over 150 numbered diffs, and a large number of un-numbered ones. While thoroughness is good, your statement is likely to be read more carefully if it is brief. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel(Talk) 08:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
It's better, but it's still about 2500 words and 170 diffs. Try to cut it down to 1000 words and about 100 diffs. Thanks, David Mestel(Talk) 20:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi! Don't get to talk with you these days... How are you doing? Busy admin? A good news, Delhi became a featured article. Nathu La is also in FAC. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Great to see you back in FAC!! --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

It's been a week since my recent request for adminship passed, and since I haven't managed to delete the Main Page - yet - I figure it's safe to send these out. Thanks a lot for participating in my RfA; I hope to do a good job. If you see me doing something wrong, need help, or just want to have a chat, please don't hesitate to drop by :) – riana_dzasta 07:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your blocks

Rama's Arrow, in all friendliness, it does seem to me you are getting a little trigger happy with blocking users over India-related topics. I do suggest you go easy on blocking anyone involved in the great India-Pakistani tag team war, since you are yourself not exactly neutral in this. You can always post users you think deserve a block to WP:AN/I and see if an uninvolved admin agrees enough to block them for you.

Regarding Haphar (talk • contribs), it would be questionable to slap a 48h block on him for "rude edit summaries" without any warning even if you were entirely uninvolved. This could be justified in the case of extremely offensive or obscene edit summary, but reviewing Haphar's recent edits, I fail to see any summary that could be construed as even mildly disturbing. In the case of mild incivilities, I strongly suggest that you warn users, giving them a chance to review their behaviour. As it is, Haphar is prepared to sit out his 48h without much grumbling, but I kindly suggest you either shorten the block to a couple of hours, or transform it into a warning, or at least post a couple of diffs so that people can see what you considered incivility worthy of a 48h block without warning. regards, dab (𒁳) 10:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

no offense intended. I've replied on my talkpage. dab (𒁳) 15:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if you've been notified, but there's a discussion about this over on WP:AN/I. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Nice hearing from you again. I'll get to your FAC this weekend sometime. If you don't hear from me by mid sunday, let me know. I'm up for RFA now too.Rlevse 10:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Montreal

Hey bud, how ya been? I will definately take a look at the article and comment. Thanks AreJay 19:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screwball FAC

The lead does not summarize the article, it gives a brief description of the night in question and then explains what a a screwjob is. The lead should summarize the article. A 45K article should have more refs. Hope this helps.Rlevse 03:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand your predicament on the refs.Rlevse 10:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lothal article

Hey. Since you are most familiar with the Lothal article, I decided to contact you regarding something I was unsure about.
"Lothal (Gujarātī: લોથલ, IPA: [ˈloːtʰəl], English: Mound of the dead) " The article states that Lothal means "mound of the dead" in English. As far as I know, this was the translation for "Mohenjo Daro" and not Lothal. Could you please let me know your views on this. Thank you. --Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 03:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need your help in a dispute on Sai Baba Page

Dear Sir

http://www.shirdi-sai-baba.com was there on Sai Baba section for long. But some administrator removed the link. This website is a dedicated website on Sai Baba and there for almost 5 years with unique contents and very good search ranking. As per the administrator, this website does not have any "Special" so he removed the link. Could you please help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hindujyoti (talk • contribs) 16:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Montreal

I'll look again at this FAC in a moment. Could you look at the Wood BadgeFAC? It hasn't gotten much attention.Rlevse 01:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Added FU to image in question. Tks.Rlevse 02:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rlevse Rfa

Thanks for the rfa support. Glad we can work together. Rlevse 03:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This getting ridiculous

Pakistani civilization which appears to be a carbon copy of Indian mathematics, albiet with word India replaced by Pakistan. I dont have much time on my hands. Could you ask ArbComm to pass a temporary injuction against the triad to stop them from POV-forking. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 08:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hall of Fame

I would just go with the good ol' {{historical}} myself.Circeus 12:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

I saw that you updated your status. What happened with Doc Tropics? Looks like he's inactive. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 17:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll make a note in the status page that you shouldn't get a new student until the ArbCom case is over. Cheers and good luck, Fang Aili talk 17:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer! Right now I'm trying to determine the status of various people. I'm checking the status pages and trying to see if coaching is actually happening. (see my recent contribs for what this entails). If there is no active coaching, then I update the status page so the coach can get a new student. Also, I check the requests page. People who have been inactive for 2 months should be removed, as well as users who have become admins in the mean time. Feel free to help out however. :) --Fang Aili talk 17:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I am going to write a "how to maintain this project" page, to make maintenance easier for everyone. Stay tuned.. --Fang Aili talk 18:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Check it out: Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Maintenance. --Fang Aili talk 17:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self hypnosis

This guy never ceases to amaze me. [23] Using "Ancient Pakistan" for areas now part of Pakistan and South Asia for areas now part of RoI, anything that floats his boats. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flame Dream

Thanks for taking care of the copyvio problem. Would you like to close out the AfD? Thanks again, -MrFizyx 03:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, its been taken care of. -MrFizyx 04:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of an article, the content of which you were completely ignorant to.

Dear Sir,

I would like to bring your attention to an article that you deleted on the 2nd of March 2007. This article carried the title of 'Nicholas William Abrahams' and told the story of his interesting and influential life.

I would like to ask you if you in fact read the article before you deleted it, or if you deleted it blindly. Perhaps taking advantage of the fact that it was a preliminary article, to be added to when the full facts became apparent.

A quick read of your profile makes it quite clear that you are not English, have never been English and have no connection or specialist knowledge of local English history. There are very few, if any, articles on the Internet about the history of Kent, so I don't believe you could have formed any knowledge, let alone any 'specialist' knowledge from the Internet. The only other source of information about the founding of the ancient castle town of Tonbridge would be the ancient town of Tonbridge itself. Most specifically town records and the castle visitor’s centre. You have not visited either of these since the article was published to Wikipedia, as I take an active role in both; therefore knowing who has and who hasn't been requesting specific information from the vast resources we hold.

You also state on your profile "[your special subjects are] arrchaeology, Indian history, Hindu mythology, the Indian independence movement and Hinduism, but I plan to diversify my contributions far and wide." By far and wide do you mean to one specific town in the heart of the garden of England?

"I was emotionally motivated to write about the Political integration of India and its architect Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, and I dare say that these articles are the most documented accounts you'll ever find on the Internet." Is a statement made by you on your profile. Being emotionally motivated to write about something is fantastic I take my hat off to you for that. How would you like it if I deleted those articles, which meant a great deal to you, without even consulting you? Because that is what you have done to me. I don't know how things are done in the United States, but if this were in England and one did not have the ability to hind behind the invisibility cloak that is the world wide web, these actions would be viewed as disgraceful.

I would like these articles reinstated, with a full apology.

If this is not done within a reasonable time scale, then I shall be taking full advantage of every option open to me regarding this matter.

The Lord Mayor —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smellysocks (talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

I do apologise for any personal attack I made upon you. I was under the impression that Wikipedia is for people who have a personal detailed knowledge of a subject to write about it and for those that do not hold the same level of knowledge on the subject to acquire knowledge through reading what the knowledgeable person has submitted, not delete it without any given reason.

I assume the article will be reinstated now and take your silence on the matter in hand as admittance that you were wrong to delete the page.

Smellysocks 21:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I have a question b/c you're an admin

I have a question about a situation which I don't understand that happened on Wikipedia. User:Lucky 6.9 banned long-time User:Zaphnathpaaneah for a minor infraction of etiquette against User:Lucky 6.9. This sounds very heavy-handed, so I have decided not to discuss it the administrator who banned Zaph. I fear s/he would ban might ban me as an abuse of power to scare away any criticism of his/her actions. The strange thing is that the signatures where Lucky 6.9 talked to Zaph are there on Zaph's talk page, but the user contributions that would show this discussion are not in Lucky 6.9's user contributions. Lucky 6.9 has administrator banning powers, but has no talk page and has no user page. I don't understand the situation, so maybe you could provide more insight.----DarkTea 03:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Montreal screwjob

I thought I'd inform you that your Montreal screwjob article is the first professional wrestling related article to be promoted beyond good article status. A few of us have tried with other articles (first one editor tried with Konnan and then later I tried again with CM Punk) but have all been rejected for one reason or another. Congratulations on succeeding in where many of us, including myself, have failed. –– Lid(Talk) 08:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

In regards to the article I feel the image of Shawn holding Bret in the shooter which Hebner rings the bell should be re-instered into the article. Although the FAC attacked the fair use of the image it meets every criteria set out by WP:FUC, especially as getting such an image again is impossible. There are other instances that support this. On a personal level as you seem to be much superior to I in regards to prose could you take a look at my attempt at a featured article, CM Punk, and give me some feedback? I can pretty much get citations for any part of the article but it was rejected for a few reasons (See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/CM Punk, in which previous to your attempt it was the closest to actually passing featured article status). At the time I recommended it the article had over 80 citations, but unfortunately they were pretty weak but I can replace them all if need be. –– Lid(Talk) 14:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
One thing that has changed to the article is that someone sometime ago removed all the refs to the individual match going ons. There is a problem on a base level with featured articles in that there is no "fictional" character featured article that can be used to base this off. Part of the debate over the FAC was whether I needed to cite every matches source or no need for them at all or simply show the match occurred. In the FAC you'll see I at one point mention possibly listing the DVD that the event took place in as the primary source and even that went unresolved. It's very hard to source the character, even one which is not truly a character in the truest sense. –– Lid(Talk) 14:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Near as I can tell the only published sources where you will see him mentioned are the Observer, PWI and the official WWE magazine. The best place for information I found were his, and others, shoot interviews however finding shoots where wrestlers tell you a lot about another individual is hard enough. There are a plethora of online sources, but of course this leads to WP:RS debates. Amusingly enough my FAC started a debate over whether Jimbo Wales claim that "if an article on it can exist it can become a featured article" with my article being singled out as being argued to not be included as an exception to the rule. –– Lid(Talk) 15:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Montreal Screwjob is FA! AreJay 17:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deletion of Rhythm and Self-Consciousness

If I understand correctly, you are the editor who deleted Rhythm and Self-Consciousness. The person who proposed the deletion said it was advertising for a book. I proposed eliminating references to the book. The critic agreed. Yet, the site was deleted. Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wmcg (talk • contribs) 19:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] A last request

I was wanting your help with a last request of mine. As I have already told a lot of people, I am leaving Wiki, and I wish for the Abcomm to leave my IP unblocked / disengage the auto block, and ban my account only. I can assure everyone that I am leaving Wiki for good, and if you suspect I am back editing, you can propose anything you wish. You should know me, I am not a vandal and I dont deserve to be treated like one.
Seeing the nature of this Arbcom case, I would appreciate if you could leave a word for me. I have already requested this here [24] and here [25], but I am not sure if they Arbitrators trust me. Please consider my contributions and past efforts to settle disputes. Thanks in advance --Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 23:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I always respected the arbitrators. But the moment I realised that nobody saw anything wrong with Bakamans comments, (comments where he compared Prophet Muhammed with Paedophilia, Hijab with Slavery, and openly said Pakistanis "enjoyed" murdering) I lost respect for them. I never thought comments like these could go unpunished.
I simply asked you a favour and you rejected. Completely understandable. You should know I tried to settle things with you on several occasions, but you failed to show good faith every time. You would pick on the smallest things and magnify them. You have attempted to ban me on several occasions and failed, but this time you were successful. Hope you are happy. --Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 01:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

The above entitled arbitration case is now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Szhaider, Unre4L, Siddiqui and Nadirali are each banned from editing Wikipedia for one year. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel(Talk) 21:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

After David closed the case out formally, since he is not an adminstrator I blocked the four accounts in question. One of the editors about to be blocked indicated that he was served by a shared IP serving a large region and requested that the autoblock not be applied. Because I know nothing about South Asian IP assignments, I honored that request, but if you find evidence of sockpuppetry from the banned users, please feel free to reblock in any fashion you find appropriate. I am always sorry to see any editor have to be blocked or banned but I hope this will resolve the situation you brought to arbitration. Newyorkbrad 23:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Happy Holi !!--Dwaipayan (talk)

Ditto. Hopefully this heralds a new period of peacefulness. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reality (Stephen Colbert)

Did you even read the article? Did you see that I took time and effort to make it factual, NPV and linked from Reality (disambiguation). I would really appreciate an explanation to this deletion. It was not grandiose, self-serving, or angled in any way. It was factual and relevant to a real issue the effects Wikipedia.

Please explain your actions to delete the article within 5 minutes of its posting and not even having the courtesy to email me regarding it.

I think you are being overly aggressive simply for the fact that it related to Stephen Colbert - which was *not* the focus of the article.

I ask again - Did you read it? --Mespinola 02:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This account isn't me. I am over here Improbcat 03:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review - Insurgency (mod)

Insurgency (mod) official homepage is: http://www.insurgencymod.net and it is not http://mods.moddb.com/3622/insurgency as you stated in your copyright infringement notice.

The Project Leader of Insurgency Mod ([RO]Jeremy), also created the Insurgency Mod PROFILE on moddb.com, as it is a repository of all kinds of gaming mods for all the various game engines.

So, all the info on moddb.com comes from the Official Site of the Insurgency Mod, either from [RO]Jeremy, or from one of the many developers.

The Project Leader of Insurgency (Jeremy) asked for volunteers to help create a Wiki profile for Insurgency Mod. I along with a few others have volunteered, as I am on the Beta Tester Team (Rellik Remag) involved with testing Insurgency Mod.

I can't link directly to the thread, as it is in the restricted section of the forums, reserved for the Development Team & Beta Testers.

There is however, a public thread that got the ball rolling on the Insurgency Mod @ Wiki: http://forums.insmod.net/index.php?showtopic=2238&hl=Wiki

All the material text, logos, pictures, and screen-shots all came from the Official Site and was released to the Public to share with the fans, at one time or another.

The original official INS web site had pages and pages of info. But, the site is currently being re-done and is only down to a single front page and the forums. The NEW official web site will be re-launched soon.

For those of us who have created and participated in the Insurgency Wiki page, we are Wiki noobs.. so if there is anything we can do to clarify that we are indeed in compliance to the copyright rules set fourth by Wiki's rules. Please let us know what we can do further, to prove our case.


In reference to:
This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: This item is unquestionably a copyright infringement of http://mods.moddb.com/3622/insurgency, and no assertion of permission has been made. (CSD G12) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rellik Remag (talk • contribs) 05:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Jason Call Deletion

Why did you delete Jason Call's wikipedia page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jawkneeboy (talk • contribs) 05:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Wow!

You Rock! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You Rock! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

As a long time fan of professional wrestling, I have long despaired at the sate of professional wrestling articles here on Wikipedia. They are often, universally, awful. Many are high traffic articles edited almost exclusively by slews of hit and run anon editors who do not have the best interests of the Project in mind. The quality of these edits is usually poor. Most of our professional wrestling articles are poor. But you have restored my faith, at least a little bit, that progress is possible. My sincere congratulations on the featuring of The Montreal Screwjob! I truly feel that professional wrestling is a serious preforming art with a rich and significant history, with dozens of historically significant internationally recognized individuals, and is just as deserving as any subject to have a featured article. Your effort is an amazing start. Keep up the great work. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shahbag

Will you you take a look at the article Shahbag? Ragib thinks it may deserve a FA drive. So, where do we begin? Aditya Kabir 17:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fyi

RFC--D-Boy 23:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CSD A7 of MTI Technology Corporation

Hi Rama,

I noticed that you recently deleted an article that I started, MTI Technology Corporation, under CSD A7. While I did fail to include a source to meet the notability requirements of WP:CORP, I feel that these sources do exist and that it should not be difficult to add one to the article if it is restored. Would you consider undeleting it for me? For an example of some of the publicity that this company has received, check out these Google search results.

Thanks in advance. – Lantoka (talk) 09:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CSD G11 of Puritan's Pride

Hi Rama, I see that you deleted my entry for Puritan's Pride after I edited it to remove marketing style text. Can you point out specifically what content was violating the guideline? The last version of the page that I put up just stated when the company was created.

To clarify, the reason this page is being put up is because we noticed that someone made an entry for Met-Rx, one of our brands, which has a dead link to NBTY. We plan to add a page for NBTY, and for completeness sake it would make sense to add the other brands (puritan's pride and vitamin world).

My first entry for puritan was against the guidelines but I was informed of the rules by some helpful members and I thought the second entry did not violate the guidelines since it had no promotional text.

Can you let me know which item you feel violated the guidelines? that would be very helpful since I'll be making pages for other brands as well, all relating back to the original Met-Rx article ([[26]]

Thanks PPride 19:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response Rama, I'm going to read through the info you sent and go about things a bit differently next time. It appears that the article wiki needs more at this point is the one on NBTY, since that is the one with the dead link, so I'll start with that. Once that's added it will make a puritan's pride and vitamin world page more useful, since they're owned by NBTY and will therefore be mentioned on the NBTY page. All of which will relate back to the Met-Rx article which has the dead link to the NBTY page, so I think this will be helpful for everyone once it's done correctly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PPride (talk • contribs) 21:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Cup (NSCL)

Thanks for deleting this. That's the third time it's been speedy deleted. I understand "db-repost" isn't appropriate if something's not been to AfD. Is it inappropriate for it to be salted? --Dweller 23:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Great. Could you salt it please? --Dweller 23:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Hecker Deletion

Why did you delete this article? I was trying to find out about him and saw it was blank and had recently been deleted. You didn't give a reason in the deletion log. PolymerMan 10:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I am curious as well. You're not by chance a Wii fan? Nazlfrag 11:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he DID state the reason for the deletion. He's actually claiming it was appropriate for a Speedy Deletion due to Unremarkable Status with the six-letter *CSD A7* tag on the deletion log. Especially due to the timing of this 'carte blanche' decision in relation to publication of the Hecker's inflammatory remarks at the Game Developers Conference, I'm using Google Cache to re-build the previously cached page version. WolfWings 13:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unclosed AfD

You deleted this one.

Ulcerate (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Mind closing the AfD? Thanks. (|-- UlTiMuS 17:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Podcast - interview?

Hey there Nirav, I'm a panelist on Wikipedia Weekly the weekly wikipedia podcast[27]. You may have heard of us. Anyway, we're starting a new segment where we will try and interview interesting users/projects to feature some of the different aspects of WP. I was hoping we would be able to talk to you. Maybe a 5 minute piece on who you are, the indian project on WP (especially in the light of the recent meeting in Chennai) and the role of history in WP (in the light of the recent arb-com dispute). We record using Skype (so you would need that programme, a microphone and a a broadband connection to participate) and can prerecord the interview at pretty much any time that is convenient for you. Tell me what you think, Witty lama 20:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I took up your advice and invited Ragib to join too. In fact, I suggested to him that you do the interview together - two heads are better than one! What do you think? Would you be able to coordinate a time which was mutually convenient? Witty lama 07:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, great! I am free pretty much all weekend, so whatever time is convenient for you two on Friday, Saturday or Sunday (except saturday night UTC). Assuming it is ok with you two - I propose Saturday morning at 11am UTC. Please confirm. Witty lama 01:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Regarding setting it up on skype, all you need is a skype account, broadband internet and a microphone. I should be able to record from my end no problems. What time is 3pm EST in UTC?? My Skype account name is "wittylama", just add me as a contact. Witty lama 01:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Could we go with 10am EST, which by your calculations would be 4pm in Sweden (+1 UTC)? What's your respective Skype account names? Witty lama 02:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Great, In the mean time I'll go to bed. it being 4am and all.... Talk to you soon. Witty lama 02:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok 1500 UTC should be good. What are your skype names? Witty lama 22:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Kazi Nazrul Islam

Dear Rama Arrow,

Peace and greetings.

Thank you so much for your prompt feedback and clarification. I am not that experienced with Wikipedia. Maybe you can help me understand a few general things and then address a specific matters about the Nazrul article.

1. "I had no intention to un-do your edits."

Is a featured article a specially protected one and/or under special control or supervision of any specific individual. Also, who can "revert" an edit?

2. "The only problem with a few of your edits is that when you add fresh information, you must provide citations with reliable sources."

Can you help me understand how to add/edit citations? When I try to edit Notes by clicking on Edit (on the right side of Notes), I don't find where the existing notes are.

3. "Also, a few of your sentences (for example, your sentence about Nazrul's criticism of Islam) had several weasel words. These policies apply for all articles, so please be careful."

Each of words that I have used very carefully reflect accuracy about Nazrul, which is documented at Nazrul site. I can provide specific citations based on Nazrul's own works. I need help with how to edit part.

Thanks for your clarification and welcoming me as a partner in this effort.

Keep up the good work.

Dr. Farooq —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farooqmo (talk • contribs) 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Please restore Paige typesetting machine

You deleted Paige typesetting machine as a copyvio. In this case, I believe the article was not a copyvio. I think the copyright on the article expired a long time ago, so that the article (like the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica) is now in the public domain, and the typesetting machine itself is a notable piece of printing history. I didn't contribute to the article, but I would encourage you to restore it. --Eastmain 04:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Olu (name)

You speedy deleted this article today on the basis of Syberwolff's tagging of the article as patent nonsense. You deleted the article, but I recreated it as it was before with a little wikification (I was removing the tag and left the window open and saved the edit after you deleted it) because the CSD reason was incorrect. Syberwolff has recently been tagging a lot of articles for deletion (most of them incorrectly), and the article was not patent nonsense, rather having a legitimate explanation of the name and its use in Nigeria among the Yoruba. The article, if it is to be deleted, should go through the proper articles for deletion channel and should not be a speedy delete. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 08:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning your Admin Coaching assignments

Your name is still listed at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Volunteers. The department is heavily backlogged with student's requests for coaches, and we need your help!

Note that the instructions may have changed since the last time you checked, and the department now follows a self-help process...

If you don't currently have a student, or if you believe you can handle another one, please select a student from the request list at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Requests and contact them. See the instructions on Wikipedia:Admin coaching. Good luck.

If you are no longer available to coach, , please remove yourself from the volunteers list.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 03:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Rajshahi University

Check out the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rajshahi University if possible. Thanks--ppm 05:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!!!

Hey Rama! How are you? Busy with real life? Any plans for Language Movement? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks. And a coincidence really! Hehe. Bye the way, both you and me seem to be less active these days! Sorry I could not give any comment on Montreal screwjob. Was happy to see it getting featured. You remember Arundhati bakshi? She is back in WP. Also saw areJay active in the Montyreal FAC. However, Deepu had to quit for some personal reasons. So did Nobleeagle. Yes, when I remember talking with you one year back, it feels nice! With Nichalp, Dineshkannambadi and others around, hope we'll see more and more featured articles. Let's see if your prediction of crossing 100 India related FAs by 2007 comes true. Happy editing! Thanks you. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Have replied your mail. --Dwaipayan (talk) 16:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You warned this wikipedian

You warned Gene Nygaard, about rudeness, and boorish behaviour.

He has told me he has "important concerns" about what he regards as my misuse of categories.

I told him that I am new to creating categories, and asked him to make an effort to explain to me where I have gone wrong. He declines to explain his hinnts about his important concerns. I think I have been civil with him. I don't think he has been civil with me.

I am willing to acknowledge that he may be correct, in the points he has hinnted about. But, IMO, he hasn't made a good faith attempt to explain himself, and he hasn't convinced me.

I think he should refrain from acting as if the matter we are discussing has been resolved, in his favour.

You can see our recent exchanges under User talk:Gene Nygaard#Arabic names. (i told him I was drawing it to your attention.)

I don't think Mr Nygaard really realizes how destructive his behaviour is. I see it as a violation of wp:not#wikipedia is not a battlefield.

If you think Mr Nygaard is correct, and that his concerns hold merit, could you give me some guidance as to who or wear I could look for guidance as to which errors I am committing in my use of categories?

If you think I am correct and that he is behaving rudely, and his rudeness shows he is not in compliance with earlier commitments he has made, what do you think I should do next?

FWIW, do you think I am correct to think I continued to comply with wp:civ?

Thanks! -- Geo Swan 05:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. -- Geo Swan 21:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Talk:Daft Punk/Archive 1

Hello, I would like to ask why the page Talk:Daft Punk/Archive 1 was deleted. I see the reason why listed as "CSD G7" which quotes:

# Author requests deletion. Any page for which deletion is requested by the original author in good faith, provided the page's only substantial content was added by its author. If the author blanks the page, this can be taken as a deletion request.

The deletion doesn't make any sense since it was an archive of the original talk page - Talk:Daft Punk. Douglasr007 19:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jordan

Could you do me a huge favor and re-read the article, I've made a laborious effort to address the concerns, also please do me an even more huger favor and go into the process with an open mind. Even though I didn't think it was biased before I've made a concerted effort to change it to more acceptbale version. Thanks in advance. Quadzilla99 18:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've done some tweaking, all to the legacy section, and I've responded to you in FAC. Have a look. Quadzilla99 06:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Also edited the Jerry West sentence in the player profile section, removed West's statement that he considered him the best defensive player in the league, just stated that West was impressed with his defense or something thereabouts. Quadzilla99 09:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I responded to you in the FAC and made some changes. The changes are in the Wizards section and the after retiring as a player section. Take your time in responding no rush. Quadzilla99 18:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The Michael Jordan FAC has been re-listed (which was probably a good idea). Thought you'd like to know, here's a quick link. Quadzilla99 17:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An old friend seems to be back

Hello Rama's Arrow

I think that Hkelkar is back again, under the Triedsolve identity. Indeed, I questionned the validity and neutrality of one of Hkelkar articles in a discussion page; suddenly, a new user called Triedsolve popped up, proceeding to the usual war-editing and unjustified reversions user Hkelkar used to be known. Incman is also suspecting the sockpuppetry, here. Is it possible to check ?

Thanks

TwoHorned 09:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have indef-blocked the user. It is obvious that he is somebody's sock, most likely Hkelkar's. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi! The chat in Wikipedia weekly is great. It was nice to hear you three people discuss the status of Wikipedia in South Asia. Bye the way, this guy is repeatedly adding Khaksar Movement (Khaksar Tehrik) in IIM. I reverted quite a few times. Now I see you are doing the same! Next time, s/he needs to be explained why it is being reverted. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Shahbag

Thanks. I was about to ask you again. Did you take a look at Fowler and Nichalp's ideas? Do you have any more suggestions that I can work on? Do I put it up for a GA nomination and/or a peer review at this point? Aditya Kabir 22:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page

Copyvio image removed from user subpage. Thanks. Aditya Kabir 22:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] San Diego?

Umm... returned home a long time back :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfAr

Hi, A staement by User:Citecop involved my interactions with you as an early user. My reply was that I'll ask you if the initial behaviour still has any relevance.

I know my interactions very early on may have been counter productive. I would also like to bring to your attention that the the barnstars awarded to me were not given by Hindutva editors or even Hindus. Your opinion is held in high regards by all involved and if you take the time to post then I'll appreciate it a great deal. Many regards, Freedom skies| talk 10:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shahbag once more

The Shahbag article has gone through major changes. Would you care to take a look at it again? Aditya Kabir 15:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indef. of User:BhaiSaab

Hello Rama's Arrow, forgive me for saying so but I did not see a consensus that this user should be indefinitely blocked. Am I wrong about this? (→Netscott) 16:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Education in Bangladesh, please, help

I have started working on the article Education in Bangladesh. It was in an extremely bad shape. The last few edits were turning it into a motley hotchpotch of text, link and image for private university/English medium agenda-pushers. Even without that the article had little content. I have began by putting in an enormous amount of fresh text, and even more massive amount of resource links (Banglapedia, government sites and downloadable pdf links). Now the real work should begin. Would you lend a hand in this? I can't do it alone. Do you have anyone else in mind who might help? That person doesn't need to be Bangladeshi. Aditya Kabir 18:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page

Thanks. Aditya Kabir 19:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free Images

Hello Rama's Arrow! I hope you are doing well. Recently, an editor asked me to help him copyedit an article on Sai Kumar (which I have done). He also requested me to find an image of the actor. I tried searching Flickr though I could not find an image. Could you, with your expertise, direct me to website(s) where I can use an image that conforms to Wikipedia liscensing standards? Your help would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. With regards, AnupamTalk 02:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help sir! I will first notify WT:INB and if I receive no responses, I will upload a picture complying with Wikipedia:Fair use. Thanks again for your assistance. I really appreciate it. With regards, AnupamTalk 04:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Shahbag, references and redlinks

No, the references are not meant as further readings. At least one (alas, removed by you) 1912 book is cited even inline. What is needed? In-line citation from all of those sources? That's possible, but will take a little time (I don't have all of those books around, certainly not the documents from the Nawab Bari). Date of publication are all given, publishers name can be added (let me check), but ISBN numbers can be a problem. Bangladeshi publications started to have ISBN numbers only recently (can't exactly tell the year). please, advise.

Now for the redlinks, was it necessary to create so many redlinks. Not all the schools in an area may warrant a separate article, but all put together may represent a formidable presence. The Christian New Year is the common new year around the world (i.e. January 1). It is significant in thsi context because Bangladesh also celebrates two other new years - the Bengali New Year, and the Hijri New Year. Boli Khela is the Bengali name for wrestling and Basanta Utsav is explained in fair details already on the article (though, I guess, I am going to take this opportunity of creating articles on those). Let me take another day to create stubs for the rest. Please, advise.

Now, for two more tthngs. First, what's it with image arrangement? The article, I think, was looking better before this new arrangement. Besides, it has messed up the formatting of the palace list (at least on my Mozilla Firefox, can't tell about Explorer). And, finally - does the separate section on festivals really has to go? Festivals, I believe, do warrant a separate section in the article. Once again, please, advise. And, oh, didn't you spell it Shahbaug on my talk page? Cheers. Aditya Kabir 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Coaching

Hi Rama's Arrow, I hope you don't mind my asking directly, but I'm looking for admin coaching. It was recommended that we directly contact coaches. I have been with wikipedia since july 9th 2006 and have 2 (soon to be 3) featured pictures. I'm aiming for my RfA around june/july time. Probably on july 9th when it's been exactly one year, as that gives me a good 2-3 months to get up to standard. I'm looking for guidance on where I can be more active and where I can plug any potential holes in my RfA. I shall endevaour not to be much of a burden should you agree, specific area's of interest are image deletion, articles for deletion and copyright issues. All the best: WikipedianProlific(Talk) 21:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Email will be fine Rama. As you suggest I shall contact you via email from this point on. Your welcome to do the same. Thanks very much for your help. I'm sure it will prove very valuable in the coming weeks WikipedianProlific(Talk) 22:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCast

Hi, your recent contributions to Wikipedia Weekly are noted.

Your views on "WikiCast - the free content broadcast" would be much appreciated. Additionally if you have any ideas about the type of programmes would be of interest to a Wikipedia/Wikimedia audience please feel free to contact me or the WikiCast project.

ShakespeareFan00 14:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atulnischal

Hi Nirav, Would you please look into malformed archive pages as in User talk:Atulsnischal archive 7? I have advised him to move it to User talk:Atulsnischal/archive 7, but since I opposed his article in an AFD (and followup) , and also cleaned up some spam links from articles he edited, he seems to consider any of my advices as hostile to him. Also, I found User:RaveenS's talk page archives to have the same malformed style (instead of using sub pages, Atul actually copied from Raveen). It would be great if you can let them see it's contrary to Wikipedia:Subpages ... Thanks. --Ragib 06:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks both of you for your timeRaveenS 13:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sock?

Possible sock of Street Scholar (talk • contribs) is 62.136.205.49 (talk • contribs) Bakaman 23:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should use check user to help determine if that is a real sock puppet of street scholar--Fang 23 01:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just un-autoblocked an IP used by a banned editor

Hi Nirav, I just un-autoblocked 128.122.253.196, which was autoblocked by you because it was used by BhaiSaab. Hope this is not going to pose a significant problem :) It's an NYU shared IP, so it's holding back quite a few others, I imagine. Cheers, – Riana ঋ 22:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

That is very odd.. I've tangled with an editor using this IP.... hmmmm. (→Netscott) 22:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Probably one of those IPs that everybody's had a chat with, at some stage or another :) – Riana ঋ 22:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] regarding street scholar

Thank you very much for blocking Street Scholar for offensive comments but however I have observed that many of street scholar's edits are vandalism trolling pov pushing and or sexist/misogynic remarks and racial attacks i belive that any futher vandalism pov pusing personal attacks trolling sexism and racism should result in a longer block.--Fang 23 01:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] conervapedia

street scholar also vandalised conservapedia recently.[28] --Fang 23 01:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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