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[edit] Archie Relationships
I respectfully request that everyone stop deleting Archie relationships from the section. Amy is a character featured in the Archie Comics, and so her relationship information in those comics should be displayed on this page, since she doesn't have a separate page for her comic self like Sonic and Knuckles do.Denjo 14:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amy has no toes?
Ok, who put "Like Sonic, Amy has no toes."? Now where is proof of this. Amy HAS never been without footwear. Neither has most of the other Sonic characters. If someone dosen't tell me where they got this info I might as well delete it. UnDeRsCoRe 00:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Dunno, but she does appear in sandals in the beach episode of Sonic X, and has no visible toes there.
yeah that's it!i watch that show-Bippy3
- I'm ashamed that I know this. --Darksasami 17:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
That was in Sonic X. It's not even considered official game canon. Please remove it or I will. And besides it's not even worth knowing. UnDeRsCoRe
Oh and a picture of her for Sonic Adventure she is wearing sandles. And she has toes. UnDeRsCoRe
- Amy doesn't have articulated toes. Check image A_d5.png on the following page: http://www.sonicresearch.org/art/art.php?currDir=./Amy . It's official art circa Sonic Adventure era. However, I can't help but agree that this isn't worth mentioning in an encyclopedic article. I dread the day when we start questioning the status of other body parts. Yeah, take an upskirt shot in Sonic The Fighters--She apparently doesn't have an articulated vagina, either. Please don't mention this. --Matt S. 03:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Sonic has no toes either? where did that come from?
UHHHHH........sonic X?-bippy3
[edit] Chasing Sonic
Has she really chased him for "well over a century?"
I changed the first sentence of "Recent appearances" and I think it makes more sense, but I still don't think that's quite the right way to put it. If anyone has a better idea, by all means. Not that you need my permission to edit anything, heehee. ekedolphin 03:57, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
There is a Sonic wiki, and Amy's article was pretty short. O_o
There is absolutley no point in stating that "She is considerd an orphan" simply cause her parents have not been seen. Cause neither has Sonics, Tails, Knuckles, Rouges, Vectors, Charmys, Espios, Bigs, Eggmans or ANYONE elses parents (except Creams). So saying that makes her an orphan would make just about all Sonic characters orphans.
Thanks, Xino for uploading the Promotional Artwork of AMY ROSE from Shadow the Hedgehog, because this article only needed the character's latest appearance in video games at the very beginning. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
[edit] Over a decade?
How can Amy have possibly chased Sonic for "well over a decade" if she is 12? Yes, I'm aware she made her first appearance some 12 years ago, but speaking canonically, Amy can't have been BORN that long ago, or at least not old enough to be in love with Sonic! If she had retained her former age of 8 and aged as Sonic apparently has (Yuji Naka says he was 5 in Sonic the Hedgehog and has aged), she would be old enough for the previous statement to be true. But since Sega reduced her age by quite a bit to the current 12 years old, it doesn't make sense to say she's chased Sonic for 12 years.
I'd suggest a rewording, something like:
For over a decade now, Amy's role within the Sonic franchise has been that of a young girl who longs to be married to Sonic. Though he cares for her, Sonic doesn't seem to love Amy- at least not as strongly as she loves him. Regardless, Amy refuses to stop chasing her dream, in the hope that someday she'll be able to change Sonic's mind and make him her husband.
That doesn't have to be the exact phrasing, but it makes more sense from a storyline point of view, since it's a tad more explicit on the fact that her character has EXISTED for more than 12 years, but she's actually not that old. Of course, this is just another factor that completely throws into doubt the question of "When the heck did Sonic CD take place, anyway?"
Thoughts? --L T Dangerous 16:27, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Amy is 2 years old in sonic CD. Sonic is now 7, so Amy was born in 1991.That would make Amy 15, & Sonic 17... err..18.....19? Apparantly Sega gave each character an "age" at the time of "Sonic Heroes",no matter their original age. Clear things up?
Amy couldn't be two years old in Sonic CD! That's way too young. But, according to my Prima's Official Strategy Guide for Sonic Heroes, Amy's 12, and Sonic's 15. According to my official BradyGames Sega strategy guide for Sonic Adventure, Amy's 12, and Sonic's 15. No change. --anon
I'm pretty sure when they say over a decade, SEGA means the amount of time in human years since Amy was 1st introduced. They're not talking about the time period during the games. BlackEDGE MkII 02:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... --Luigifan 02:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Amy is like an Orphan(tiny spoiler about Tikal)
I have to disagree with the person who wrote the first part. In the comic book (Sonic the Hedgehog), Sonic has a family. I know Espio, Charmy, and Vector don't, but Tails does. In the comic book, he mentions that they're missing or stuck in some zone or something. Amy Rose's parents are missing, not dead. And although Big and Eggman (he has a cousin in the comic book, though) don't have a family, when you say 'like an orphan', you don't account for Sonic. And Tikal the echidna has a family mentioned in the game. Her dad is Pachacamac, her mom died when she was a child, her grandmother raised her, and then died, so Tikal is left with her father, who Chaos kills later. Therefore, I think we should add that Amy's parents are missing. If you don't mind, I will write it. --anon
DUDES!!Tikal lives with her dad in the mystic ruins--bippy3
How would you ever hear of Baby Amy Rose or make her up on her own. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
It's a fair point. Amy is 12. If she had parents, shouldn't she be living with them? Then again, nothing was mentioned by Sega. Or anybody else vaguely official, for that matter. Harley Quinn hyenaholic 22:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birthday
I edited a sentence: "Ideally, her birthday is September 23rd, 1973, when she made her video game debut.". Now, I'm near innummerate, but I'm pretty sure that 1973 plus 12 does not equal 2005, nor do I think she debuted before Sonic =P --L T Dangerous 22:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, if it doesn't equal 2005, Tails would be older than her. If she was born in 1993, she would be just a baby that hasn't become a year old. In any Sonic stuff, Amy Rose would say "I was born in 1973,". If she came to real life in your imagination, she'd tell you or anyone else that she's 32 years old. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
- Really...I took a 1977 out of Tails' page earlier. It might be a good idea to check the rest of the Sonic character pages...if I weren't working right now, I'd do it myself. --Darksasami 23:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, you should see Amy's debut game's year and then subtract 12 from that. The characters don't age you know! --anon
- Actually, yes they do. I can't link you to it as it was years ago, but Yuji Naka once did an interview stating Sonic was 5 in Sonic the Hedgehog and was in his teens in the DreamCast games. And let's not forget, Amy's age was altered by the time Sonic Adventure came out. Either way, the sentence was still inaccurate even if you took 12 from the year of her video game debut because she still didn't debut in 1973. --L T Dangerous 15:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't mean the 1973-year. Just put the correct one! And Amy might have aged, but did people like Sonic ever age? --anon
- Sorry, I'm still gonna have to take Yuji Naka's line on this one, that Sonic was 5 in the original game and 15 in the Sonic Adventure games. Coming from any other source it may not mean so much, but since he's the head of Sonic Team, he's probably an authority on the matter. I can see where you're coming from, though, because the characters don't necessarily age one year for every year that passes- depending on the continuity, Sonic may be 18 now or he may still be 15, it depends how Sonic Team see the whole series as a story. Other characters have had their ages altered too, Amy, Rouge and Knuckles come to mind (not 100% certain on Knuckles, mind). I think it's probably for the best we don't give a year unless Sega do. I mean, who's to say the characters won't still be going strong in a hundred years? They won't necessarily be 100 years old in terms of the storyline. --L T Dangerous 13:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Does the game booklet count? Cause I think it says Knuckles is 16 years old. Anyway, you could say when Amy's debut was. And do you mind if I put an ability and love life section in it? --anon
- Go for it! Be careful with the love life section, though, there are a lot of people who don't like fancruft in those sections for these characters ;) --L T Dangerous 04:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay! --anon
Well, if she's 12, what grade would she be in? --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
7th grade, but I'm not really sure if the Sonic people go to school. I know that in the Archie comic book they did, though! --anon
Guys, just letting you know, Amy's first appearance WAS in 1993. And she'll be 13 on September 23rd. --AmyRose
[edit] Amy Quotes
I never heard Amy say, "I'll always be there for you in the best and worst times. You can be my sweetest honey for all of eternity." or "Sonic! There you are! Oh, how I've missed you!"
In Amy's theme song, Sweet Passion, it does say, "I'll always be there for you. Sweet, sweet, you're so sweet. In the best and worst times. You can be, my sweetest honey for eternity." But Amy isn't actually saying/singing that.
Also, why does all the quotes all about Sonic? We all know she's totally mad about Sonic, but everything she says isn't all about Sonic this and Sonic that. The quotes needs more variety! --anon
Then again, are these really necessary? I believe "Sonikkunobaka" is the only well-known quote. I find the rest redundant. --Judacris 06:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, you could just keep the ones that aren't redunant, or we could write some new ones that aren't redundant. --anon
Where did all those quotes come from? Not a single one is true.
Which one are you talking about? --anon
[edit] Amy and Rouge
When has Amy had a dislike for Rouge? I never saw Amy fight Rouge everytime she saw her. --anon
Well, AMY ROSE had a strong dislike for Rouge since Sonic Adventure 2. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
When? I don't even remember Amy talking to her in SA2! --anon
They argued a lot in Sonic Battle. --some guy
What did they say? --anon
Oaky, but was Amy just mad that time? And besides, they probably arent't going to fight every time they see each other. And if they fight in Sonic Battle, it's probably just because Sega wanted it that way. I mean, the whole game is all about fighting! --anon
Um, Amy never said that. She and Rouge were actually just fighting over Emerl the whole time really. And they definitely don't fight every time they see each other - just look at Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog. --Evilradiodude
And I'm pretty sure that Amy and Rouge don't have a strong dislike for each other, right? I mean, once Emerl is gone, I'm pretty sure they won't be angry at each other anymore. --anon
Yeah. They insulted each other and fought, but I'm pretty sure it was just over Emerl. And besides, they managed to hold a civil conversation in Shadow. So I don't think they really care about each other unless one has something the other wants. --Evilradiodude
Actually, I'm pretty sure they could possibly be friends if they had the chance to talk more to each other. And I'll be getting rid of the sentence about Amy disliking Rouge if there are no complaints. --anon
No complaints from me. I also think the "culinary skills" line should be gotten rid of, that was only in Sonic X. And there's another whole section for that. --Evilradiodude
In Sonic Battle, one line of Amy's to Rouge is "What dirty little deed are you up to now?" That's before Emerl is even mentioned between them, and it's a rather personal comment. They do technically fight over Emerl, but I feel that there is also a deep-seated conflict implied between them. -- Some girl called Harley.
- If you knew Amy, you'd know that she was only saying that in jest. Visualise her saying that with a smirk on her face, and you'll have that
cheekypart of her personality pinned. DavidHOzAu 03:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
But she wasn't saying it with a smirk on her face. She had one of her nasty glares most of the time she was talking with Rouge. I really can't see the delicate Amy and the rambunctious Rouge getting along, especially considering their personalities. --Some Girl Called Harley.
- In that case, you might be confusing annoyance with anger, i.e. she wasn't exactly spitting chips over it. (BTW, you might want to get a user profile.) --DavidHOzAu 03:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
It's gotten worse: someone has moved Amy-doesn't-like-Rouge down to Sonic Battle. (Trying to hide it?) I thought the Personality section had already explained that Shadow proved that this was no deep-seated personal conflict. --DavidHOzAu 12:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, my latest edit fixes this. The text is still there, but commented out with rationale. As soon as someone adds the detailed reference to Rouge and Amy's conversation in Shadow, we can restore it. (I don't own a copy of Shadow, and probably never will.) --DavidHOzAu 12:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
You know, this whole "Amy dislikes Rouge" thing reminds me of "Amy dislikes Blaze/sees her as threat"...this is hardly true. She most definitely views Blaze as a friend; one only needs to watch the last story scenes to see this. The only time she ever felt threatened was when Sonic said he was looking for "some girl". He didn't state who she was, so Amy immediately jumped to conclusions. After finding out it was Blaze, she calmed down and told Sonic where she was. I think that proves that she doesn't feel threatened by Blaze in the slightest. I thought I'd mention this considering the love life section states that Amy sees Blaze as a threat.
According to some people they get along fairly well in Sonic X's new season, and as my edit stated Rouge sort of saves her later on. Sonic Battle was a fighting game anyway, they were just giving them reasons to beat eachother up.
[edit] Sonic Rush
In Sonic Rush, it appears that AMY ROSE has been excluded from being a playable player. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
So has everyone else except Sonic and the new character, Blaze.
Many people looked all the way through the Sonic Rush instruction booklet and it shows that AMY ROSE is NOT PLAYABLE and they say "OH NO!! *sob*". --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
Not really. Most people knew Sonic and Blaze were the only playables.
[edit] Newgrounds Video?
What is the name of the video on Newgrounds that this article talks about near the bottom templates?--WitchesBrew82 02:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Formal Tone
What part of this article is not formal-sounding? --anon
To me the personality section looks like it isn't using a formal writing structure. Compare its present state to Sonic's personality. I'll take a shot at cleaning it up. --DavidHOzAu 03:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
There it is fixed. I'll remove that not formal-sounding caption now. If someone wants to put it back, please tells us why you're putting it there next time by posting in the talk page thanks. We can't fix it if you don't tell us what's wrong.--DavidHOzAu 04:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Personality
[edit] Amy is Annoying?
Her personality section said, "Some of her team members think she is annoying and useless, but she is actually has value." This is obviously not factual. It cannot be Cream because Amy was partnered with Cream to form "Team Jubilee" --NOT TRUE U FAKER(LIKE SHADS)--BIPPY3 in Sonic Advance 3, and in Sonic Battle they live in the same house! In Heroes I never heard Big or Cream say that Amy is annoying and useless, besides the fact that they could not have formed a team without a speed type. I'm going to change it to "Some Sonic fans", and if someone objects to this alteration, it would be better just to get rid of this sentence entirely. --DavidHOzAu 04:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adolescent
"Amy is an adolescent". This might be true to some extent, however from a NPOV this might come across that she still thinks like a kid. This is in contrast to the several times when she has acted more mature than Sonic, notably Episode 20 where she tells him off for acting so immature. Amy being adolescent really only applies to the main Archie Comic series where her character hasn't been developed much beyond that, and I've changed the article to reflect that. --DavidHOzAu 04:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Good Article
Once the edit wars begin to subside, we should consider getting this to be a good article. Besides article stability, we need to use references and cite some sources. (Lack of these are what got Sonic's article delisted from the good article list.)
Sometimes it's kind of hard to get references and sources. So far, I think the article that has the most references and sources is the Tikal article. --71.104.187.145 20:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Six references is hard to beat. ^_^ If it helps, I just added the reference to her profile page at Sonic Central. There has to be more out there though. --DavidHOzAu 22:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to look for some. --71.118.77.204 01:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, if this article is to be a good article, the trivia section should be worked into the article cause trivia isn't encyclopedic. After we work out all the problems, we should get a peer review. --71.118.77.204 01:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, there's speculation in the article. --71.118.77.204 01:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, the trivia can easily be worked into body of the artice. Some ideas I have worked out so far:
- Move Yugi quote over to Love Life.
- Move Princess Sally and Sonic CD into Game Appearances (second sentence about Sonic CD).
- Move Sonia the hedgehog to somewhere into Amy's Appearances section(s), but I can't find the appropriate spot at the moment.
- If someone wants to do this, feel free, I don't have the time at the moment. --DavidHOzAu 09:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
A link was removed. Get the details here. I am assuming good faith, but I'm not sure the link should be removed. For the record, I agree that the last point of the removal rationale is probably a good reason for not saying what Amy weighs. However, I just visited the link, and most of the information (in its 'History' section) comes from the Archie series. If this is the reason, a proper location for the citation is instead in the Archie or Family section, and I'll see if I can restore the reference to the appropriate location. --DavidHOzAu 22:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- In regards to the above, about Amy's weight, her official character profile says her weight is a secret. (ヒミツ = secret) --DavidHOzAu 01:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
- I apologize--I'm the culprit. None of the information there matched up with the most recently stated official information, and, actually, I just removed the reference again before noticing your comment here. However, if that information is still considered official for the Archie continuity, it should probably be restored. I just can't help but feel that it could be confusing to the average reader to be linked to a reference site that openly contradicts the information we have here, especially regarding height and weight. Does every reference need to be a website, or can we instead simply reference the particular comic itself in which the info appears? --Matt S. 03:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Acronym Abuse
I have gotten rid of the SoJ reference. Joe Blow off the street needs to be able to read this without getting confused. If the reader is not a Sonic fan or has not read the debates where people differentiate between the two, you won't know what SoA and SoJ translate to. If someone wants to restore the term, make an article to explain the difference between SoJ and SoA and what they mean. We have enough forking going on already without adding to it. --DavidHOzAu 04:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Amy Rose Blossom?
What's this from? My field of knowledge admittedly doesn't extend beyond the Sonic Team rendition, so this could very well be from the comics or something, but still, I'd just like to know specifically what the source of this is. I've never heard of "Blossom" being part of her name.
Same here. A google search reveals that it has only been used in a slash fic. Has anyone else heard of it before? --DavidHOzAu 00:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, forgot to put a signature on that. Anyway, yeah, this seems a bit weak. Google isn't really an authoritative source or anything, but I'd say that when all it comes up is a single piece of adult fanfiction regarding the name of a popular video game character, we can assume there's something wrong. I'm going to go ahead and remove the Blossom snippet, but if any of you folks out there can find evidence regarding its validity, you're welcome to put it back. Matt S. 19:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] There's nothing that says Amy weighs around 54 pounds.
Unless a valid citation can be given, it'd be appreciated if this tidbit was left out. It definitely sounds like original research. There's nothing on the citation given that mentions her weight as anything but a secret. --Matt S. 04:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- After all, most women don't like to reveal their weight or age. Amy's no exception... well, as far as weight goes, of course. Her age is no secret, even though some people think it is. --Luigifan 03:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- It was Concept Mobius (a now defunct site) that speculated her weight to be 54 pounds. UnDeRsCoRe 04:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sonic Adventure 2
Was Amy ever intended to be playable in Sonic Adventure 2? I have this weird feeling she was. --FlareNUKE 15:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm personally not sure, and I don't know if anyone is. However, it is true that Sonic Adventure 2 was severely rushed due to Sonic Team's pressing need to have the game on store shelves by the series' 10th anniversary, so there's no telling just how many modes of gameplay had to be axed. --Matt S. 15:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
Deleting too much reference in this article is vandalism. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
- It could be. However, always assume good faith, and don't bite newcomers. -- ReyBrujo 18:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone just added an inapporpriate pic and I'm takin' it out. DeathGodDragon EDGE 06:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Age
Wait a minute, I thought Amy was 12 in Sonic Heroes. Her age is very confusing because it keeps changing. PrestonH October 7th 3:30 (UTC)
It dosen't change. She was 8 in Sonic CD up until Sonic Adventure, where she was 12. She has always remained 12 since then. UnDeRsCoRe 20:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Archie Comics explains this by stating that she wished upon a Power Ring. In the other continuities, it's either a retcon or the progression of time; it's not really stated, so it's up to your interpretation. --Luigifan 03:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
It's definitely a retcon in the games. BlackEDGE MkII 05:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
When she was 8 years old before Sonic Adventure, who was she the same age as? Knuckles was originally 15 years old and was changed to age 16 since Sonic Adventure. --PJ Pete
- Wait, Amy Rose was the same age as Tails and Knuckles was the same age as Sonic before Sonic Adventure. Amy and Knuckles were the only characters in the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise that had a change in age. Amy Rose's age was changed from 8 to 12, and Knuckles' age was changed from 15 to 16. --PJ Pete
[edit] Love Life
Can anyone add the stuff about the relationship between Elise, Sonic, and Amy in 06? DeathGodDragon EDGE 03:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah... Not another love triangle... --Luigifan 12:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I LIKE THE LOVE TRI--BIPPY3
[edit] Amy's Breast Size
I've already discussed this elsewhere, so I'm not really saying anything here. See Talk:Rouge the Bat for the discussion. Go to the section, "Other Sonic girls and their breast sizes". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigifan (talk • contribs) 12:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] I Will Follow Him
This is the title to a song by Little Peggy March, and the song hails from the 60's. It goes something like this:
I love him I love him I love him And where he goes, I'll follow I'll follow I'll follow...
Do I need to explain myself any further? If you've heard the song in question, then you'll agree with me that it fits Amy to a tee. :p I can hear it as her theme song in fangames already!!! :p --Luigifan 03:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup list
I moved the cleanup tag to cleanup-list/ and or cleanup section, its more specific to what this article needs in general. Regards —— Eagle101 Need help? 01:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Is Amy pigeon-toed?
Amy's feet usually point inward whenever she appears in Sonic Adventure 2. Is she pigeon-toed in the other games or just this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.121.128.131 (talk) 19:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Amy/Sonic, unrequited love of a thorned rose?
If you ask me I don't think sonic is even good enough for amy! I mean you remember sonic riders where she got hit by sonics tornado attack, and sonic heroes where he fought her to get away from her? I say it's injustice that she chases a guy as ... as reckless as him. If you ask me, most of the games give mention of sonic not fond of Amy in the least. It's annoying even if it's cute but it's to the point Sonic can't STAND her at all is why he tries to get away from her. She got lucky to be even 5 feet near him at sonic riders without him just rushing off leaving her in the end.
I MEAN ALL HE DID WAS SAVE HER LIFE! THAT'S NOTHING TO HAVE LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT WITH! In fact, I even started to dislike sonic for even having a girl as Amy who's unrequited love is being shown as broad as the obvious fact of George Bush's ill leaderships of being president of the USA, and that's just putting it the nice way! I say, SEGA should try to find someone else to keep Amy distracted. That way, Sonic can feel safer and she can have a guy to finally wait on her hand and foot lovingly to her attentive care. I, for one, if made a character, would be willing to give my life for her! At least I would treat her right. - Mialover730 09:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- The instruction manuals consitently state that "In his heart, [Sonic] really doesn't dislike her that much." Sonic's just too fond of his freedom to have much of a love life. --Luigifan 12:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well I hope things can ever get better for dear Amy. Maybe she'll find a nicer boy for her to have fondness over. Besides, she is just 12 years old after all. Might be a few years before she can get over sonic. Mialover730 22:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- THIS IS ABOUT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER IT,S JUST A WAY FOR SEGA TO MAKE SAPPY GIRLS/GUYS THAT ARE OBSESSED WITH LOVE TO PLAY THE GAMES! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.227.18.167 (talk) 08:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Amy discriminated, UNFAIR!
Have you seen the things said at the Cream the Rabbit Discussion? If not then I can put it all here if anyone wants the Amy rose portion of it. For those who have I say it's a total butchering of what life and personality Amy can have the potential to possess! THIS IS INJUSTICE I SAY, INJUSTICE! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mialover730 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
- Are you referring to "Sonic Team: Does it give a **** about the West?" Seriously, I just copy-pasted it from GameFAQs. I did give credit to the guy who originally posted it, though. If you like, I could bring it here, too. And, I believe that it used to be on Blaze's talk page... --Luigifan 12:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes please. This should be able to show everyone what's been happening. Mialover730 00:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, here you go:
- Yes please. This should be able to show everyone what's been happening. Mialover730 00:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
"This is from a site I found: Disclaimer: This is a factor as to why sonic's popularity has dwindled from what used to be in the west. It in no way suggests that Sonic has faded entirely.
sonics failing partly because of sonic Team’s ethnocentricity. They adhere to cultural tastes of eastern culture (particularly the Japanese), while alienating, and demeaning values in western culture.
Blaze and Cream are key examples. Sonic Team portrays exclusively eastern ideals to be "right". Cream is called a girl "no one can hate", someone who is immune to hatred. Cream reflects eastern ideals for youthful, innocent girls (like many anime female protagonists). Western ideals like being tenacious, sassy, smart, and athletic (like the Disney princesses) are seldom if not entirely void in Cream's character. She is not marked for being bright as noted by Blaze after she ignorantly insults Knuckles in his presence. She does not fight which deemphasizes athleticism. She also has a hard time keeping resolve that is shown in Heroes, when she wants to give up her search for finding her kidnapped friend, Chacola. This is the perfect girl that in Sonic Team's opinion, cannot be hated, which is further implied by a lack of testimonial criticism for her nature by other charachters.
Blaze is opposite of Cream. She has traits that westerners hold ideal in women. While Cream's eastern traits go uncriticized, Sonic disrespects Blaze’s very western resolve to get the Sol emeralds alone, calling her “overzealous" while he respects Knuckles' constant resolves to restore the Master Emerald by himself. Both Blaze and Knuckles mirror the other's duties as guardians to their respective emeralds. Both are qualified to be lone gaurdians. Blaze can attain the Sol emeralds alone, and KNUCKLES restore Master emerald alone. But Sonic, whom viewers hold bias for, (as we experience the game through mainly his points of view), believes Blaze is wrong for being tenacious while Knuckles is not Knuckles is not questioned for his endeavors.
And it's not just Blaze; taking charge is not rewarding to any female characters, in the games. Tails can be praised for saving Station Square on his own, while Blaze is criticized for being independent. Tikal fails to convince her father, and Amy’s tenacity to woo Sonic falls on deaf ears because Rouge, as well as Cream and Tails imply to her, is that being physical to gain respect is quote: "too persistent". Yes Amy aggressively takes charge with Sonic, so do his male rivals (KNUCKLES and gay shadow) their own agendas like Amy. Sonic has unspoken respect for them, not her.
He trusts them in decisions he makes: Shadow helping him defeat the Biolizard, and trusting Knuckles to take care of Amy and Tails in his place before his last battle with Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2. He will not run from them. When Amy is as aggressive as Sonic's male rivals are, Sonic runs away from her as he does in Sonic Heroes and Battle. The double standard between males and females suggests that western aggressive ideals are wrong, particularly in women. While eastern ideals for more passive women is "right" because characters like Cream go uncriticized.
Sonic Team is aware of the other continuities of Sonic outside of their games. But while Sonic Team has largely recognized the Japanese continuities, they almost totally ignore Sonic continuities in the west.
In the early 1990's there was a Japanese continuity of Sonic outside of the games, a manga in Shogakukan's Shogaku Yonensei. In this very manga, the original versions of game characters Amy Rose and Charmy were born. Sonic Team recognized this Japanese continuity of Sonic, and even decided to place these two comic book characters into the games Sonic CD, and Knuckles Chaotix. Compare this recognition to characters in the west. Not a single character in western continuities outside the games set foot in a game directly made from Sonic Team.
Many argue that Sonic Team rejects western characters for their games because they are involved in continuities/ storylines that are too different from their games. But Sonic Team changed Amy and Charmy from their original selves as much as necessary, so that they could fit into game premises should parts of their original basis be incompatible with the games. So it certainly was not a matter of compatibility or incompatibility between the manga and the game's storyline. It was not an issue that they were more popular than western characters. Because Sonic Team could be almost entirely changed from the way supposed fans of the manga might have originally recognized them, which they were. Sonic Team has never taken these extremes for characters of western continuities.
Amy's role as Sonic's girlfriend in the manga was negated to that of a fangirl in the games. Their original mutual, affectionate relationship is not incorporated in the games, which changes their dynamic. Charmy's role in the manga as Sonic's advisor is nullified. Charmy is a member of a detective team now. Again, this indicates an unfair bias Sonic Team has against continuities outside of Japan.
Sonic Team does not take responsibility to incorporate in their games what westerners typically affiliate with the name Sonic which take westerners out of their comfort zone. In the newer Sonic games, they constantly incorporate only what the Japanese affiliate with Sonic, confusing and alienating people from western countries, who identified with, "Coconuts" instead of "Kiki", "Robotnik" instead of "Eggman" to simply list a few examples.
Robotnik was the name given to Sonic's mustached arch nemesis in the west. Eggman was his name in Japan. Nowadays, Sonic Team has merged the names together. In the west Eggman is supposedly a nickname for Dr.Robotnik according to Sonic Team. That way, the names can both used simultaneously without cultural confusion, right? Wrong.
Sonic Team does not live up to their claims to "merge" the cultures. Culture alienation still exists in the western version of the games since the name Robotnik is rarely recognized in Sonic Team games, possibly only once. "Dr. Robotnik" is not actually called "Dr. Robotnik" in the English version of the games and even refers to himself as Dr. Eggman. Other characters including protagonists address him as such, even during serious situations when using a nickname, which is used to infer teasing/friendly familiarity is not appropriate (such as when Robotnik places a gun to Amy's head and she cries "Dr. Eggman!" in Sonic Adventure 2). The non-usage of traditional western elements in the more recent games infers what the west has established about Sonic is wrong, while what has been established to be Japanese is right. Despite both are correct terms SEGA has approved of since Sonic began on the genesis. Both names were originally products of localization, which exists in order to make different cultures connect with a product. Neither is more "right", as both names hold the same purpose for the character.
What's more, even Sonic Team's management of the games also implies bias to Japan. The famous incident that has recently occurred for instance: when the original game voices actors were fired, and replaced with the Sonic X ones. The reason for this decision was because Yuji Naka wanted to have smoother continuity, in which the game's voice actors were synonymous to the shows, like it is in Japan. There are two things that are problematic with his rationale:
In Japan, although the voice actors in the games were the same as in the show, it did not affect the overall popularity/unpopularity of the show, and these concepts were certainly not enough to save the show from cancellation. Despite this, Yuji Naka wants it managed like Japan.
Secondly, the sudden transition of voice actors was unsettling to western fans, after growing accustomed to the game actors, which existed longer than the show. This has caused resentment towards Sonic Team, especially since many of these fans would equally argue that the voice talent in the show is too melodramatic and mediocre. Naka did what he did for the sheer sake of making the west follow the east as has been policy for so long. Not because this move would be well accepted by the western fanbase..
Sonic Team has turned their backs on western culture, and has even gone through the trouble of disrespecting, and ignoring it. Westerners are subtly told not to be, or like western concepts in the Sonic games they buy. This despite the fact Sonic Team has the audacity to bring their games to the west which suggests they expect us to buy the games, when the anti western content make their games incompatible for the west. During the genesis era, Sonic was successful because there was no dialogue, or other identifiable themes in game itself that could be biased to a culture, and manuals could be made to localize the game.
People need to wise up. We are supposed to pay Sonic Team to play games that we are supposed to enjoy through personal connection, not the other way around. It is not fair that Sonic Team provides a take it or leave it attitude in which, you either tolerate their Japanese ideals, and accept the “wrongfulness” of western culture, or not buy their games at all. Japan is not an evil culture despite flaws, which can be present in all cultures, but as such can also be said for western ones. People who appreciate Japan's culture should be freely able to do so, but people who appreciate western culture should be as well, without someone inferring that they are "wrong" for doing so.
Sonic should belong to the world as SEGA originally intended, and not simply Japan."
Enlightening, yet disturbing, isn't it? --Luigifan 12:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amy Camacura?
I had been around a bit or two on the internet and found 'amy camacura'. What was it like? Mialover730 10:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- What the heck?!? --Luigifan 11:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I mean here http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~ZYUMON/photo2.htm Mialover730 02:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amy's panties in the trivia section
Should that really be there? I mean we don't really care about her panties do we? I'm just asking for opinions from other people because I just removed it. --Coconutfred73 02:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Um, hate to say it Coconutfred73, but I think you were a little late to revert. Yeah, as I said in my edit summary, I just don't think very many people will care to know about her panties, whether this piece of trivia is verifiable or not. I left the IP a friendly custom message on its talk page, just to say that it isn't necessary. --LuigiManiac | Talk 02:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Why do people keep adding this? I'm tempted to launch a volley of lonely nerd jokes XDGrandMasterGalvatron 20:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Marriage
Sonic is 15 and Amy Rose is 12, though they're too young to get married. They have to be at least 18 years old to marry each other, because they're anthropomorphic. --PJ Pete
And we care why? --Coconutfred73 22:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
