Talk:Channel 4

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Contents 1 References and a tidy-up 2 4oD 3 Lack of citation 4 ibid 5 Films

[edit] References and a tidy-up

User:Briantist has made a valid point that this article is lacking somewhat in references, though I think some areas are worse than others. We could also do with a bit of a tidy up too, especially in the history and programming sections, the latter of which is pretty messy now.

As for references, if somebody fancies trailing through the Ofcom website, there'll no doubt be an awful lot of useful material relating to funding, channel 4 corporation and the remit (I introduced the much-needed extrapolation of the remit, fundamental to the whole article IMO, but I feel it needs expanding on further) and the broadcasting history site, Transdiffusion has a whole section dedicated to Channel 4, compiled a couple of years ago, which could be pretty useful for the history section and other parts.

It may be useful to move the reference tag to the specific sections that need attention to help make the task easier, and perhaps try and get a reference to the need for references put on the relevant wikiproject page. Fursday 20:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 4oD

Is it worth splitting the 4oD section off into it's own article - it may be easier to resolve some of the potential conflicts within it -- the current text does not accurately describe the service through cable TV, and I believe it is sufficiently notable in its own right. -- Ratarsed 12:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree in principle, but only if there is enough material to make a useful article out of it. What exactly do you have in mind?

If you can only stretch it about by another two or three paragraphs, then I would probably be hesitant and leave it as a sub-section. The sub-section, in one way or another, would stay anyway, just like E4, More4 and Film4 have sub-sections and main articles. An article for the sake of a couple of extra paragraphs seems a bit silly, unless it can be extended a lot more than that, but if you think you can, then great. Fursday 19:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how to cover it in the main article without splitting it in to sub-sub-sections, as the service is completely different between that offered online, and that through Virgin Media (Charging, quantity, viewing period etc.) I only mentioned it here as I also feared it may just end being a little stubby... -- Ratarsed 20:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my worry too, but then again there is some cause to make it into an article, if for no reason other than the fact it's common to the other C4 stations as well as channel 4 itself. It's a pretty borderline decision. Perhaps the best course of action for now would be to develop the current sub-section here to improve the cable information, and see how big it gets, then consider moving it. It's also worth remembering that 4oD is very new, and as it matures, the amount of material on the subject, and cause for giving it its own article will no doubt increase to article level at some point. Fursday 20:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of citation

It would be helpful if people start having a look through the article and place {{fact}} in places where they think there is a definite need for citation. The whole article is currently tagged as lacking references, but on the whole I don't think the article is especially bad on this front, and I'd quite like the tag moved to just the sections where there is a particular problem, as a lot of the article does seem fine to me. -- Fursday 22:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ibid

I think it would be more constructive to avoid "ibid" citations, and instead use named references -- thus avoiding any confusion if a paragraph is restructured, or has a new reference spliced into it. It seems silly to have a mix of the two in the article. Maybe this could be combined with a general tidyup and inclusion of citations? -- Ratarsed 13:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the ibids, and referenced the multiple links in the appropriate way. Fursday 03:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Films

I propose making a 'Films' section if nobody has any objections, moving much of the content from the Film4 sub-section of Other Services, and the Film sub-section of Programming.

I feel that Channel 4's contribution to the British Film industry, involvement in the making of British films and the history of Channel Four Films needs to be covered in one single place, rather than being spread out over various sub-sections, and some parts could do with further expanding further.

Any good sources for citation, much appreciated. -- Fursday 15:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)