Talk:Johnny the Homicidal Maniac
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[edit] May Be Deleted
Because of a lack of secondary sources written about it. Articles get deleted for this reason, but there is a lack of sources and some claims, such as: "Has sparked some controversy", which is unreferenced, "has been criticized", "Later, I Feel Sick was released to show Devi's side of the story, who changed a great deal psychologically, and was taking on the personality of Jhonen Vasquez's feelings towards Nickelodeon." <-- unsourced claim. "It has been suggested by fans that, whether Vasquez intended it or not, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is an homage of the "revenge fantasy" <-- unsourced claim. "In the webcomic "Sam and Fuzzy the character of Rick Esteban is believed to be an homage to Jhonen" <-- unsourced claim. "These are silly little stories the author created presumably because he wanted to do something different" <-- editor's opinion. Lots and lots and lots of editors' opinions, which Wikipedia is NOT used to publish. Also see WP:Original Research and WP:ATT. --Naruttebayo 02:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Pic
Ok, Look. The only two pictures of Johnny here, are from issue six. This might be quite confusing to new readers. Could someone post a new pic of Nny, one with his full hair? TigerDude 14:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other
Johnny is such a memorable character. I especially enjoy the Happy Noodle Boy comics. --Nob
Gar! I made my first edit without logging in. *sniff*
--Quid 19:04, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Are all the internal links relevant? For instance, linking to "insanity?" It seems like too much.--ChristineDelusion 00:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, it may seem like too much but still- Johnny is insane... and if that doesn't work, linking to insanity is pretty random and this comic is random... lol JTHM rocks hard Miss misra belle 22:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fanfic
Is it really relevant what some fanfiction writers think Johnny may be the grown up version of? --Quid 14:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I removed the fanfiction assumptions from Johnny's bio, but someone is free to put such theories back in, perhaps in a seperate section, if they provide adequate backup to the hypothosis. MardukZero 16:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also, I made the intro a bit more encyclopedic and less awkward ('It has been particularly popular within the teenage kids who want to be different, goth and other subcultures that it actually tends to parody.' seemed a bit odd of wording.) MardukZero 16:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oi. Once again, is it relevant what the fanfic community thinks Johnny is the grown up version of, especially if it's impossible? --Quid 19:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Two Concerns
1) Should this article include summaries of all the strips? The summaries are great, but isn't it a bit much? What's Wikipedia's policy on this?
2) Is Johnny an anti-hero or a villian? He says he's a villian during his encounter with Mmy.
- Ryan
To answer your second question, JTHM is an Antihero, because he is the main character. Read wikipedia's article on anti-hero's. He considers himself a villian, but so do most Antihero's. A villian opposes the hero.
Would the doughboys therefore be the actual villains of the comic, then? --boiled_elephant 13:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe so, because they are hindering JtHM 71.211.6.193 18:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
I just noticed this. In the comic strip where Nny is telling someone about killing a girl and laughing about it, he then asks the victim (who he's telling the story too) if he thinks it's funny. Look at the victim. It's Kirk.
I'm not sure what issue that appears in, but Krik definitely appears in Issue Two. Also, Edgar Vargas should be added to the characters list.
--WalterJid 01:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Characters
Do we really need to include each and every character that appeared in the comic, from Damned Elise to Krik?
well, Kirk had a whole issue to himself, but some of the others aren't as important. And sign your comments please! Devilmaycare 09:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
We ought to make a new article for the minor characters. Something like List of minor characters from Johnny the Homicidal Maniac would do well. I would also like to see a master list of all the strips, meanwhiles, and whatnots of each issue of the comic book. Something has to be done with all the content of the Story section, as well. Also, last time I checked, the summary of issue 7 has no strip titles. I will help work on these things later, but if anyone wants to get started, please go ahead. Ecto 22:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- If a daughter article is created, the correct style is Characters of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, and it should have sections for both major and minor characters. Such an article may not be a bad idea; it would help cut down on a lot of the bloat in this article, and we could still include bios for the most important characters in this top-level article. -Silence 23:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I will start up that Characters of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac article as soon as I get a chance, if no one beats me to it. If we can make daughter articles for both the Story and Character sections, this article would be much better, I think. I have no idea if that is called for, though. If so, would you happen to know what the proper title for an article with the content of the Story section would be? That article could also contain descriptions of the Meanwhiles and whatnot as well. Ecto 00:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather have the list of the strips taken out entirely. It pretty much spoiled the whole series for me after I'd only read three or four of them.
Just a thought. -WalterJid 03:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- To be fair, there is a spoiler warning at the top of the article, so try to watch out for those. That said, I am not sure if Wikipedia is the place for recaping the entire storyline of a series, but only in as much detail as we see in this article. It could stand to be cut down to the most basic plot movements. What I was suggesting was a list of strip titles (both JTHM and Meanwhiles and whatnot), rather than a description of what happens in each strip, but I suppose that would not be called for since Wikipedia generates a table of contents anyway, and a daughter article about the story would have one of those. Ecto 00:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree that the detailed recap is way too much. It's practically word-for-word in places.--ChristineDelusion 00:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd say put the list of strips on a seperate page with a spoiler warning- the article is long and most people might forget the spoiler warning at the top of it... Miss misra belle 22:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Johnny's appearance
I went ahead and deleted a sentence stating that, until the Squee comics, it was unknown that Johnny had blue hair and light brown skin because the JTHM comics were in black and white. Not only did this make no sense (the Squee comics were also black and white) but the colored-in covers of the JTHM comics show Johnny as having black hair and very jaundiced looking skin, and this was confirmed in interviews with Jhonen Vasquez as I recall. The placement of the line was right after the sentence about Nny's age, and if anyone can actually explain what the original comment was about, feel free to replace it. --Sobekneferu 10:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jimmy (Mmy)
Did Jimmy first appear in Issue Six in that one random scene? I don't have that issue anymore, so I'm not sure if this was Jimmy or another Johnny C. look-alike.
--WalterJid 00:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weird fangirl?
Someone put "'Nny Loves Lidda!!!" as the opening paragraph for the section on Johnny's charcater. I took that out; I assume it was some wacko fangirl who just put that there.--Sobekneferu 09:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, look. There are many, MANY strange fangirls out there like that. Don't be too suprised. There are going to be more than one cases of that. You might want to request that the page is locked to new users to avoid more outbursts such as this, if it bothers you.TigerDude 15:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Return
Is Jhonen Thinking of writing NNY again? There was a little bit of a clue at the end when he said he was going on a "little vacation," or maybe it's just wishful thinking...
The best evidence I can find is his rendition of a more recent Nny from his website. http://www.questionsleep.com/gallery/nnyface.jpg Poonerpoob 04:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Jhonen gave up on that. I've had that discussion with him, he's made attempts yet admits that he wants to move on in the world of comics. He doesn't have any plans for making another JTHM in the future. Sadly, he says he cannot truly read his older work. -The Powerful
[edit] Controversy?
It says on the article that Johnny the homicidal maniac gained 'some' controversy. What controversy? Negative or positive? I know some people despise JTHM but I wouldn't call it 'controversy.' And if not negative controversy but positive, I'd simply consider that "cult fame"-The Powerful
[edit] Kirk and Krik
I'm not familiar with the series, but was reading through and noticed that both Kirk and Krik are mentioned in the section "Issue #5." Are there two characters with similar names or is it a spelling error? Stryke3 18:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It's "Krik." In Issue #5 it's always spelled "Krik."
-Ben Simon
I've made the corrections. Stryke3 07:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WTF??
It's JHONNY the Homicidal Maniac, NOT JOHNNY! WTF???? 72.178.229.245 09:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
According to Issue #1, 6th printing, it's "Johnny". You may be confusing Johnny's name with that of Jhonen Vasquez, the character's creator. Stryke3 21:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
In the future, RESEARCH your comments before you SCREAM THEM OUT ON THE TALK PAGE. It is JOHNNY. It always has been Johnny. Jhonen Vasquez is the CREATOR. Thanks, have a nice day!--TigerDude 15:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Anne Gwish
I just was re-reading this article, and noticed a statement at the bottom of the Anne Gwish section ('It is possible that "Anne Gwish" is a precarnate idea of Gaz, the Goth sister of Dib in Invader Zim.'). I was just curious if this should be deleted, as it doesn't seem to merit any notice. AnimaMage 03:25, 6 February 2007
[edit] location?
i just noticed there was an issue in the location of the comic, according to the article,its in Los Angeles; but in part 2, after returning to the apartment with devi, after they view the city from a cliff, they discuss how beautiful Brazil is. corrections? Trained_Wreck
I believe that Brazil is also a movie, which I think they might have been discussing, not the country. AnimaMage 15:11, 15 February 2007
[edit] Tess and Jimmy
I just want to get something out here that I'm not quiet sure about. In issue 4 when Nny is torturing Dillon and talking to Tess, Tess says something about him being the one to rape the girl which sends Nny into a little psychotic rage.
Now in issue 7 with Jimmy, it's obvious Nny does not pay much attention to him, and there is a specific bubble from Nny that overlaps the talk bubble from Jimmy. What Jimmy is saying is something about a girl... "Oh... This one girl... It was a couple of months ago - You might've heared about it on the news. Oh.. God. That was the best. She looked like this one girl that always laughed at me in highschool - That's why I chose her. I followed her ho-- a couple of times. But this one time, S-- sees me. And I just HAD to! I took her --- this alley behind the mall... They f--- her like that wi--- her clothes off. A-- kept doing itzzzz--"
I don't know if I'm just slow here but could he be the one who rapped that girl? Nny doesn't respond to it at all so... Any ideas?(Kid. 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] cruft cruft cruft can't get enough
I'm thinking of deleting the whole "synopsis" section, as it seems to be a description of everything. A short synopsis is fine, but this is just ridiculous. Would someone mind writing a short synopsis overview? -Wooty Woot? contribs 20:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Or better yet, make a short synopsis and put the current one as a new article Plot of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac --Naruttebayo 02:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
