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Contents 1 Numbers 2 Importance 3 10 Year eligibility 4 Pete Rose 5 Negro Leagues 6 Page name 7 Requested move 8 The Bull Durham flap 9 Popularity of players 10 photo quality 11 Maris 12 2007

[edit] Numbers

We now have two different numbers (252 and 254) for current members. Anyone know which is right? Cunc?

[edit] Importance

Today the Hall of Fame is a large, modern museum, governed by the laws of the State of New York that regulate museums. [emphasis added]

Why is this an important piece of information? --Charles A. L. 16:00, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] 10 Year eligibility

The 10-year eligibility rule was also waived for Addie Joss, but of course, many years after his death. Does anything know more about how it happened? Varitek 18:12, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

According to his HoF bio, Joss was elected by the Veteran's Committee. The waiver is worthy of some note in the article, IMHO, so I've worked it in. Have any other inductees (besides Joss and Roberto Clemente) had a requirement waived? - jredmond 18:31, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nice one. No, as far as I know, those were the only two for whom the rules were bent. Varitek 18:57, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks.  :) As it turns out, though, the BBWAA held a special election to elect Lou Gehrig in 1939, even though he had only retired that year and had not yet succumbed to his disease; and the rules for election stipulate that the five-year requirement is automatically waived for players who die while active or within five years of retirement, so Roberto Clemente's election doesn't necessarily fall outside the normal procedure.

I think that rule postdates Clemente, and was introduced soleky to stop Clemente being a special case. I'll see if I can find it in the Bill James book.

I'm still digging here, and will be making more changes as I find stuff. I'm also thinking about pestering the Hall's research department to look through the article and check for factual accuracy. - jredmond 19:44, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

the clemente bit makes no sense, the 5 year rule was obviously waved for gehrig also, am i missing something or is this just someone with an agenda?

[edit] Pete Rose

An ongoing controversy facing the Hall of Fame is that of the status of Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. Jackson and Rose were both permanently banned from baseball for actions related to gambling on their own teams - Jackson was determined to have conspired to lose the 1919 World Series on purpose, and Rose voluntarily accepted a permanent spot on the ineligible list in return for Major League Baseball's promise to make no official finding in relation to alleged betting on the Cincinnati Reds when he was their manager in the 1980s. (Baseball's Rule 21, prominently posted in every clubhouse lockerroom, mandates permanent banishment from the sport for having a gambling interest of any sort on a game in which a player or manager is directly involved.)

The comment about why Pete Rose is banned from the Hall of Fame is not accurate. Rose accepting lifetime placement on the ineligible list did not preclude him from indution into the Hall of Fame. After he was placed on the list the BBWAA as a response instituted a rule that no player on the ineligible list could be considered for induction.--Cglied 19:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Negro Leagues

What about Buck ONneil? John wesley 21:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

What about him? JG 02:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Buck O'Neil was on the list of Negro League players under consideration in the special election process completed in February- Despite his popularity, he was not one of the members inducted.

I don't know much about Buck O'Neil, but if the contoversy over his bid for membership in the HOF is deemed significant, a mention should be added to the Controversies section. JG 04:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page name

This page belongs at the name "National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum", not "Baseball Hall of Fame". Page names should use the actual name, not the common name. Will 22:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

National Baseball Hall of Fame And Museum → National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum – Capitalization; new name already exists as redirect

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request.

[edit] The Bull Durham flap

Just my opinion, but this section (while accurate as far as I remember it) strikes me as way too much detail for a Wikipedia article (per Wikipedia:Summary style). It might fit better under an article on Petroskey, now that I think about it. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone else sees it differently. Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 01:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popularity of players

I'm wondering if we should add a section under Controversies about how many players will be inducted by their popularity with the writers, and not entirely by their playing skill. Phil Rizzuto comes to mind, I mean he had on 200 hit season, while Jim Rice is left out, because of his feuds with the media.

--Kblavie 10:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It could be too open to POV and non-neutral statements. A lot of why players do and don't get elected is hypothesis. If you can come up with some sources and references, then by all means be bold, but it can't just be an off the cuff rant about why Jim Rice isn't in. SliceNYC (Talk) 19:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

That sort of content, if it belongs anywhere in Wikipedia, belongs in the articles on the individual players, not here. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] photo quality

The exterior photo focuses mainly on the parking lot. Can any one do better? H Bruthzoo 15:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Hall of Fame faces out onto Cooperstown's Main Street, not a parking lot. Any photos of the exterior will probably include some of the street parking. SliceNYC (Talk) 19:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maris

Another controversy is the constant omission of Roger Maris from the Hall of Fame. 67.188.172.165 04:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I wouldn't necessarily call it controversy as this article defines it. The article steers more towards internal affairs. The writers vote the way they vote, and of course it's open for discussion. Similar arguments can be made for Jim Rice, Ron Santo and others, but it's not a controversy relating to the Hall's operation.

• • Good point. 67.188.172.165 05:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007

Is kipen and that other guy the only two being put in this year?--Kingforaday1620 22:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Cal Ripken Jr. and Tony Gwynn were the only ones elected by the writers' ballot. The Veterans' Committee vote is due in February. SliceNYC (Talk) 01:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)