Talk:Raiden (Metal Gear)
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[edit] page is being vandalized over and over again.
To anyone who cares: Plz., revert the page to it's previous version. It has been vandalized over and over, through the past days. I could do it myself, but I don't have enough time. --Zephir 00:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] sword in metal gear solid 4 guns of the patriots
In the trailer for guns of the patriots it shows Raiden back looking like a cyborg ninja but what I find awkward is that he is not using the high frequency blade, in fact he is using two different swords and a knife. The sword we see him use is a long rough steel blade with a grip. I would like to know what happen to Raiden's HF blade. --(ryo)
Yeah, that struck me odd too. I mean, the H.F. Blade is the Sword of Swords, soo naturally we'd assume he'd be using it... unless one of those swords IS the H.F. Blade and it went under a redesign or simply looks different because of the major graphical differences between MGS2 and MGS4
- I don't see why they'd need to be the same H.F. Blade. It's not like there's only one, they are probably manufactured by ArmsTech or Tokugawa Heavy Industries or one of the other fictional MG companies. Gray Fox used on as well, after all. WtW-Suzaku 21:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Not confirmed to be a Cyborg
As far as I am aware, it has not been confirmed that Raiden is infact a Cyborg (meaning his skin, and perhaps other body organs, have been replaced by man-made materials) like Gray Fox of MGS1. Saying this, I would like this sentence: "Whether or not he is a cyborg by choice is still unknown" to be changed reflecting the fact that he may not even be a cyborg, but simply wearing the exoskeleton suit like Olga Gurlukovich did in the guise of Mr. X in MGS2.
However, if I'm mistaken and it has actually been confirmed that he IS a CYBORG, then please direct me to where it says so, and I will [remove] this request. --Jack Raiden
[edit] Far-fetched
Raiden is rumored to be Link from Legend of Zelda, as they both are similar to each other. Link never talks, and Raiden usually misinterperates what Colonel Campbell says sometimes(ie:Colonel says nodes, Raiden misunderstands it as nerds) meaning they both have little knowledge of English., and both are highly adept at sword use.
C'mon, who is supposed to beleive this tripe. Metal gear ninty 21:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References Jumbled
I've included some references, but this seems to have jumbled things up, I'm new here so I don't know how to correct this, so could someone fix it please? Metal gear ninty 11:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Raiden's Role in The S3 Plan and Negative Fan Reaction
This whole paragraph seems rather subjective. Who is to decide what Raiden's role in the game is and how it corresponds to the general populace? If this is the words of Kojima or some other authority that should be explained. --user:Sentius
- Agreed, I've been a bit iffy about it since it was added; I was hoping it would get trimmed up, but it appears that isn't going to happen. I'll get rid of it later today if it's still there and hasn't been updated. --Asriel86 17:23, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
Why in blue fuck does Raiden have high heels on ??
[edit] Trivia
Anyone else got any trivia to do with raiden?
Good job on adding the 'Jacks' information Jonny, I knew there was something else to do with his name. --user:Mysticflame
Solid Snake is actually Raiden's uncle by law because of his family status with Solidus Snake. -Cid and Ryo (Mostly Cid)
Um...we'll... originally the character of Raiden was actually going to be a cyborg, and would have this triangle-like design on his stomach, which was revealed durring the Arsenal Chapter when Raiden is removed of his sneaking suit. I'm glad Hideo decided to make him human >.>
[edit] Solidus' suit
Solidus Snake from MGS2 wore a combat suit that seemed to expand his muscles and such, giving him extra strength. Raiden's suit seems to share the technology of the suit as seen from the trailer. When he holds onto the turrets on one of the Metal Gear GEKKOUs, his suit expands. And at the end, as he sheathes his sword, you see steam emanate from the suit as it recedes. So yeah, someone should note the similarity.
[edit] Metal Gear Intergal (GBC)
Is it of any note that it is often speculated that the GBC Metal Gear game may have you playing as Raiden, unbenknownst to players. He is reffered to as 'Jack' a few times, and the popular internet ruling is that this was the 'vr' mission Raiden did prior to Big Shell.
Think it's worth it?03:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)~
I think you mean 'Metal Gear Ghost Babel', and yes, I've seen screens of that bit. I'm trying to get to the 'Jack' scene myself - I'll make sure to put a screenshot here when I find it. --87.114.18.235 19:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed some unsourced text
Again, I like this section, but it needs a reliable source. This Geocities site is not a reliable source.
In contrast to the American reception, Raiden was quite popular in Japan, probably due to his deeper voice given by Kenyu Horiuchi in the original Japanese version (in contrast to Quinton Flynn's more effeminate voice acting in the English version) and a generally more mature portrayal in Kojima's original script.[1] An androgynous appearance is also generally more acceptable in Japanese pop culture. Despite his relative popularity in Japan, Raiden's negative reaction among English-speaking gamers prompted Kojima Productions to alter his character design for Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.
Please don't replace it until you have added a proper source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't geocities a reliable source? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Bread (talk • contribs).
Because we have no way of knowing that anything posted there is true. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay then
(The Bread 04:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Image:MGS4 Raiden render.jpg
Can we please not use this image for the infobox? His effeminate appearance is a major part of this article's focus, and as such we should not use an image that completely conceals same. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that the image should show him with a mask on, since Raiden typically shows his face. 12.219.74.52 15:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I prefer to use the latest incarnation of the character over the oldest, but whatever suit your tastes. At least don't discard the image I've uploaded. I put it there to give a full body shot of Raiden's new looks. Jonny2x4 05:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Some believe the new image hollow"
I would like to know who these people are. The 'new way to perceive Raiden' is very in line with the notions of the worldwide guerrila-style warfare that Liquid Snake (through Ocelot) apparently begins to unleash, "drop by drop," upon the world. --75.2.21.90 11:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Popularity and voice in Japan
First, about Raiden's voice. I don't see it noted anywhere that Raiden's Japanese voice actor has a much deeper voice than Quinton Flynn. While we don't know for sure what the exact reason for the different voice is, we do know that Kojima did cast Horiuchi himself, and we know he didn't cast Flynn, which to me indicates that he had intended for Raiden to have a deep voice (again, that's my opinion, but it is definitely true that Kojima did handle the Japanese voice casting, while INTAC handles the English voice casting). Anyway, why isn't any of this (at least the fact that the Japanese Raiden has a much deeper voice) mentioned in the article (under "Character development", perhaps)?
I do see that this was mentioned in a deleted paragraph, but I think the fact that he has a deeper voice in the Japanese version should definitely be put under "Character development".
And regarding his popularity in Japan. I changed "Raiden was quite popular in Japan" to "Raiden was more well-received in Japan". You can see that in the 1UP.com interview Kojima merely says "there are actually many people in Japan who like Raiden", while he also says "But the fans ended up not liking him" (note that he says "the fans", and not "the Western fans"). Also note that on the Japanese Wikipedia, Raiden doesn't have his own article, while Solid Snake, Liquid, and Solidus, as well as Big Boss, Ocelot, Otacon, and Campbell all have their own articles. Quite popular? Hardly.
-71.80.31.42 08:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ghost Babel connections
| “ | Raiden was first mentioned by his given name in the Game Boy Color version of Metal Gear Solid (titled Metal Gear: Ghost Babel in Japan). After finishing the game once, the player has the option of playing through VR simulated version of the game's thirteen stages, but with new goals and conditions added. If the player completes all these missions, a message from the supervisor, No. 4, will appear, addressing the player as Jack. This predates the release of Sons of Liberty by a year. | ” |
Do we have any cites that state that this is an intentional connection? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tanker incident in VR?
If Raiden went through the Tanker incident in VR, why would he believe that Snake destroyed the tanker rather than Ocelot? For that matter, why would the Patriots let him learn this at all? --Pika132
- One presumes that he went through an edited version. It isn't made clear. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with A Man in Black. If you remember, in the codec convo between Raiden and Snake after Ocelot has killed the president and Raiden has exited the room where the president was held, Raiden says "I've gone through the tanker in VR before" to which Snake replies "Yeah? Well I doubt it accurately simulates the events of that mission." This may indicate that the mission Raiden went through was changed in some way or another when compared to the true tanker event.
[edit] Uncle? Nah
"Raiden's uncle is Solid Snake by law due to his relationship with Solidus Snake."
Solidus didn't officially adopt Raiden; he found him and took him under his care, training him to be one of his soldiers. So, Snake is not Raiden's uncle.
Although not by law, Solidus does think of Raiden as his son, and the only father Raiden knows of is Solidus. So, Snake is Raiden's uncle as much as Liquid is Solid's "brother".
[edit] Citation.
Can we get a source on this claim " It has been recently confirmed by Lead Character Designer: Yoji Shinkawa, that Raiden is indeed a Cyborg like Gray Fox, and the only things still human about him are apparently his head and spine. He commented that Raiden is "falling apart"" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.112.147.54 (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
- It was in the official Kojima Report podcast thing with Yoji Shinkawa as a guest, relatively recently. You could probably find it with a quick search. WtW-Suzaku 21:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
