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[edit] Images
The images are in desperate need of organization, but I have no idea how to get things to look nicer. Anyone know how to make things so the images go something like this?
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And so on. Help? ^^' --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 18:26, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Pterodactyl
I've removed the two sentences comparing Ridley to a pterodactyl. He exactly matches the physical description of a European dragon. I've added a (brief) note to this effect in the text. --Christopher Thomas 15:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- He doesn't quite match such a description, in my opinion.
- First (unrelated to the pterodactyl comment), he tends to be portrayed as rather thin/bony, as opposed to the typical "meaty" look seen on illustrations of European-style dragons.
- Second (also unrelated to the pterodactyl comment), he is not confirmed to be reptilian, at least to my knowledge; it's not known whether he is cold-blooded or has scaly skin, two of the most famous characteristics of reptiles. (Not that it matters for the game, but...yeah.) Now, cold-blooded would be kinda hard to determine, but he isn't ever portrayed with scaly skin in the games or in that Super Metroid art piece displayed on this article--at least not that I've seen.
- Third, most European-style (and even Chinese-style) dragons have two horns on their heads. Ridley, in contrast, doesn't have any notable horns, but has a single crest, like that of a pterodactyl.
- I don't remember there being two references to Ridley's looking like a pterodactyl (I only recall one), but I think there should be at least one mention of what's quite possibly one of the bases of Ridley's character design. ~GMH talk to me 05:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
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- To add my two cents... I don't think Ridley is a dragon, either. He is, however, an alien who looks a great deal like a dragon. Yes, he lacks the classic double horns, and the crest may well have been based on that of the pteranodon, but he fits most of the other criteria for being at least dragon-like, most importantly the basic body plan and the fire-breathing. Pterosaurs did not have six limbs, and as far as I know they did not breathe fire.
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- Also, modern depictions of dragons are, well, extremely variable. Off the top of my head, I cite the Pokémon Dragonite, which instead of having two horns on its head, has either a single small horn on its forehead with two longer ones or a single horn and two antennae.
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- At any rate, I made an attempt to balance the dragon/pterodactyl thing. I changed 'pterodactyl' to the more specific 'pteranodon', and removed the thing about scales. I do not think his having or lacking scales is relevent, since pterandons were either scaled or possibly had fur, so his lack of or possesion of scales would not support either side. --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Come to think of it, I think there should be a distinction between what Ridley is and what inspired Ridley's character design. I put the pterodactyl/pteranodon/pterosaur thing back in because I felt that comparing Ridley to such a creature would suggest more about possible sources for his character design.
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- I seriously doubt that anyone truly believes that Ridley literally is a dragon or a ptero-whatever. (Metroid series fans have, of course, come up with various possibilities including Ridley and Kraid originating from some Earth-like planet that evolved giant reptilian creatures but never got meteor-struck.) In this sense, I agree with you that Ridley is not a dragon in both senses that (1) he is not some real-life (in the Metroid universe) European-style dragon and (2) his design wasn't only based on the prototypical (I think that's the right word) European dragon.
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- I still find it interesting to speculate as to what things influenced his design though. ~GMH talk to me 18:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Google for "ridley dragon metroid": 11900 hits.
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- Google for "ridley pteranodon metroid": 39 hits.
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- Google for "ridley pteradactyl metroid": 45 hits.
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- The vast majority of references to Ridley consider him to be dragonlike first and foremost. The text of the article should reflect this, per WP:NPOV's guidelines on presenting mainstream and non-mainstream views. The 25 Dec. 2005 version of the article by Sparky mentions the pteranodon/pteradactyl comparison, and that single mention is adequate, given the numbers. --Christopher Thomas 20:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
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Matrix Kage: I say Ridley IS a Meta Dragon (My term), and BTW, he DOES have the horns... they're pretty small, but they're there... all of the idiot sprite comics I'VE seen have had Ridz as a lackey... and a stupid one at that... but the E-Manga from Nintendo of Japan shows clearly that he's the leader of the Pirates and VERY layered... first off... he shows a bit of pity for 3-year-old Samus before deciding he had to kill her. Then, in the second chapter, it shows Mother Brain on Zebes, under the control of the Choujin-zoku (Japanese: Bird-people) also known as Chozo (Latin: Carved statue). that was also the first time he died. therefore, that adds to his importance becase they revived him yet another time. This makes... 5 times he's been revived, including Mecha-forms (Spirit from Zero Mission and Mecha Ridley from Super Metroid) plus the X-Parasites infecting and absorbing him. Mother Brain was revived once and upgraded once. So, that's my explaination as to what he is, where he stands, and how these can be seen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.152.48.159 (talk • contribs) .
[edit] American Muddlification
Okay, I know that NCL completely ignored all of the wacky eightiesish Metroid stuff what NoA and their underlings came up with, and all that was for the greater good. =)
Yet, there's one thing that I want to... remember weirdly. Samus' gunship was featured in Captain N. It looked weird.
The point is, one of those comics - either Captain N or some other illustrative Nintendo Comics System bit - also had Ridley in them. It's not in one l33t site which had scans of most of these comics, so my luck is not that good. It's intriguing because this particular two-page comic had the basic history of the Metroid game, featuring more weird speculation on Mother Brain's role etc, and also had cute drawings of Ridley and Kraid in a sort of a cameo role, pacing on the surface of Zebeth with Kraid looking over his shoulder at the invading metroids flying all around.
Anyone remember that one or know the original publication issue? The reason I'm asking because I only got the Finnish edition, kind of hard to tell anything from that, and besides, it's not at my hand right now anyway... =/ --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 01:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I didn't find those comics at all, but I did find some other interesting Ridley appearances - much more remarkable than that little appearance I tried to mention above, though. =) I put some of that to the article. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 01:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fusion flashback
"Ridley is often seen as a sort of rival against Samus, and likely to have been the one responsible for killing Samus' parents, as briefly seen in flashback cutscenes in Metroid: Fusion."
...the what now? I don't recall there being any flashbacks in Fusion, and SURELY not any related to the space pirates! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.28.235.211 (talk • contribs) on 00:54, 22 February 2006.
- Me again. It's stated two paragraphs later that it's in the japaneese version bonus scens (gods I hate version disrepancies). So this piece of info is given twice, once as a possiblity, the other as a fact. Curious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.28.235.211 (talk • contribs) on 00:56, 22 February 2006.
[edit] Super Metroid Ridley
Yo. It appears to me that if samus crippled Ridley in Metroid, and he was cyberneticly enhanced in Metroid Prime, but killed again, Im pretty sure that the super metroid Ridly is not the original. He has no trace of cybernetics on him, so unless they managed to regrow alot of destroyed tissue, ill be damned if hes the original —This unsigned comment was added by Purple Pikmin (talk • contribs) on 22:23, 31 March 2006.
Well until we see any solid statements that they're not the same, this is merely a theory. Unless you have any proof besides "well he probably died again". If he could survive getting destroyed by Samus once, he can survive twice.
I remember somewhere that the Pirates talked about cloning Ridley, so the Ridley in Super Metroid may just be a clone.
The Metroid Prime instruction manual talks about "recovering Mother Brain, Ridley, and Kraid" after the events of Metroid. So obviously he wasn't dead. This means that Meta Ridley was around WHILE the original Ridley was in recovery. Don't know how this fits into the whole thing, but that's what the book says.
[edit] Copyediting
I've marked the page as in need of copyediting, particularly the opening paragraph, Leader of the Space Pirates and Metroid Prime sections. I've attempted to clean up Metroid Fusion, but the language there was so unclear as to make it difficult to determine the intended meanings in some cases. Moppet 07:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Metroid/Alien conspiracy
Okay, I reworded the bit about Alien series - at least I haven't heard of any real interviews or anything where the Metroid folks would directly say the games were really inspired by Alien series. However, the similarities are there.
Yet, I think I have heard vague, vague, vague, very vague ramblings about Alien rights holders suing Nintendo and Ridley getting his name as a result. Doesn't sound too plausible to me though (as Ridley was introduced in the first game and with that name too), was that just one of those weird internet rumours? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 20:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Prime 3 appearance
User:210.10.155.138 added a note about Ridley appearing in a Prime 3 trailer, although looking over an ostensible copy of that trailer I didn't see anything matching the description. I added a source citation for the E3 prime3 coverage, but the description could use a better one. Moppet 09:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Super Smash Bros. Brawl
As much as I would love to see Ridley appear in this game, I think it's best not to say something like "he's a likely candidate" because it's very hard to estimate a character's chances. Let's say we leave this subject alone for now. Xubelox 07:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, Sakurai did say he was thinking about more Metroid characters. But at the moment, that could be Dark Samus, Ridley, even a GF Trooper or U-Mos. Besides, I think that was just a rumor. It's on the Brawl Talk Page. You could check it out if you wanted to. --DcPimp 15:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Uh, ignore what I said earlier. That thing about Sakurai turned out to be nothing more than a hoax. HOWEVER, Ridley is on the "official" (I'm assuming its official; that could change at any time) list of characters people want to see in the game. The list is on the Brawl Talk Page, assuming you want to see it. --DcPimp 03:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
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- The general idea at the actual Brawl article at this time is to not include anyone who hasn't been confirmed for sure - not even pretty much certain characters such as Donkey Kong. I would agree with Xublox that it's best to not mention Ridley as being in Brawl until he is actually in it for sure, that is, appears on the official website or gets unlocked by someone in the final game. I'm going to be bold and remove the Brawl paragraph for now. --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I was bold. I put the Brawl paragraph back in, but did some major rewording. With all these sites claiming nearly the exact same thing from only a limited number of sources, it is getting kind of hard to ignore. --DcPimp 12:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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Seeing as how the official website has not said anything and it's passed the time that Sakurai was expected to update (and someone on GameFaqs even admitted that their friend started it), I'll delete the SSBB stuff again for now. Xubelox 05:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Someone please replace that animated Mecha-Ridley pic
It looks so tacky and should be replaced with a still image of it. Buzda 04:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Something weird.
In Super Metroid, Ridley's tail attacks seem to be the only thing that can knock Samus out of the Screw Attack
I don't know if this is noteworthy enough to put in the article, though. Any opinions? Digital Watches 23:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Not really important. --Niroht 01:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. Thought not. Thanks for the clarification. --Digital Watches 01:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ridley Scott relation?
Can someone provide evidence about his name being inspiration for Ridley? If not we should place it as a rumour. 60.241.126.129 22:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I want to move this page.
Someone brought up over at the villiage pump that this seems an odd choice for the article you get when you type in "Ridley". I would like to move this article to Ridley (Metroid character) or some such, and then move Ridley (disambiguation) here. Just thought I'd throw out this warning. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with primary disambiguation. If you look at the disambig page though, you'll notice that this Ridley is pretty much the only thing that is named just Ridley, which is probably why it's survived here for so long. I also suggest the target destination for this page be Ridley (Metroid) since Ridley is possibly not just the name of one character (may be the species name as well) and it's shorter. --tjstrf talk 18:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- I orginally thought Ridley (Metroid), but then thought that some confused person might think that there was a Meteoroid called Ridley, and that Wikipedians can't spell. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The e-manga makes it quite clear that Ridley is a name and not a species, but in any case, I think Ridley (Metroid) would suffice just fine nonetheless. 199.126.137.209 21:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Ok, off to Ridley (Metroid) it goes then. :) ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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