User talk:4d-don
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Hi.. My name is Don, I am a retired 63 year old Acadian. I live on the West Coast of Canada with my Dog. I have 2 boys (both techies, one with his own business) and three grand-children. I use the Web to gather and put out information and try and respect other people's opinion and now insist that all our institutions adhere to a protocol of "truth and the whole truth"...That is why I enjoy Wikipedia. It is finallly the "equalization" of the flow of information and the empowerment of the last disempowered estate: the common person. Marshall Mcluhan would be proud....We don't have to "get fooled again" Information will set us free! Let us do it in a civilized and respectful manner! 4d-don
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[edit] A Late Welcome
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[edit] French
Vous parlez francais?(Do you speak French?) 'Cajun' doesn't refer to all Canadians does it? How many humans does your dog own? Sorry about the last one. Did you reach the time when they used latin in Church? BTW if you know any Catholic who is heavy into Yoga, please let me know. --Jondel 07:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Salut John...
Oui, je suis Acadien (cajun)...English is my second language but I am fluently bilingual having worked in French in Quebec (that's sort of French. we call it jwal (a slur/slang of Cheval-horse) lol), and English with the Royal Bank of Canada for many years. I attended primary school in French, High School in English and University in French, then business in English. "Cajun" is a slang for "Acadian" which were french settlers who lived in Acadia (what is now Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and New-Brunswick) until 1755, when most were deported to Europe, Africa, and Louisianna (after King Louis of France) where they went to live in the swamps with runaway slaves and other "undesireables" and became the "cajuns". Our Family and many Acadians were running from france because of the "protestant" reformation in the Catholic Church. We were "huguenots" or protestants. We moved to Acadia in 1641. One generation later, we were catholics again. Catholic church controlled the birth, marriage, school, hospital, death and afterlife, etc... My forefathers hid in the hills of New brunswick and avoided the "deportation".
My dog, a Great Pyrenae, thinks she owns everyone. They were bred to guard sheep in the mountains of Europe and are called "guardian dogs". Gentle but smart. I live in the country on acreage and my dog will tree a bear if it comes too close. She will not kill it, just tree it or send it away. They are known to let a predator on the property but not let it leave by "attack and retreat" until the predator climbs a tree or just gives up. Very smart. She owns the whole neighbourhood with the neighbour's male, also a Great Pyrenae. They always expand their territory, so they demand that I establish the bounderies (urinating) constantly...LOL
Yes I was a seminarian for 2 years during the latin period of the Catholic Church. That was when Chrisianity "qui laetificat juventutem meam" (was the joy of my youth). I thought after the Christian abuses (sexual, physical, and financial), which I saw and experienced first hand as I became a Banker after leaving the seminary, that I was getting into Raja Yoga with Sahaj Marg. It was sort of that at first but Babuji's death caused me to leave after meeting Chari. Lalaji (a sufi) and Babuji were genuine seekers. Michael is also a practicing Catholic who got into Sahaj Marg for the same reason (the Raja Yoga), and is now again into Catholicism as a "cafeteria" catholic. ie. To do good deeds and not get into the "structure". So he helps out with "inner city" problems in Austin Texas with a catholic priest who does not like the Catholic structure also....
Since I moved to the country, I meet very few people into "spirituality" or "religion" except the Natives (aboriginals)and the New Agers, specially Raja Yoga (mostly loggers and fishermen and retirees who are not into anything) Do you mean Raja, Hatha or other ???....But if I do I will steer them your way....
P.S. see my translation of my "latin" and tell me if you agree with my grammar and choice of word...on the Sahaj Marg site...I sent you a comment with my translation....
Keep on the Sunny Side of Life...
4d-don
[edit] Petite
== Petite et accipietis;quaerite et invenietis;pulsate et aperietur vobis ==
Ask and you shall receive, Seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened! Salve! Laudatum tuam mihi amo. Thank you for your complimenht. (I love your praise, literrally). You should visit la.wikipeida.org. I wish (Velim) I had more time to study the language. I saw your reply on latin by the way at the S. M. discussion page. --Jondel 07:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Interlingua
Que pensa tu de iste lingua? Es multo facil leger, non? Specialmente si cognosce latin o lingua romantica como spaniol, frances, italiano. Io ama iste lingua et latin etiam. --Jondel 08:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Ave Johanes...
Amo latinum. Etiam est multo facile. Etiam. France est ligua romantica. Etiam. Non sum eloquens in latinum. vel...EGO sum non facundus tamen EGO mos perceptum.
salus....Ave...
--don 23:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Non sum facundus either, I mean etiam . Neque eloquens. There a lot of amateur latin enthusiasts over at the latin wiki. But I like languages, French, Latin etc. --Jondel 00:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Serious Meditation
Sahaj really introduced me to serious meditation. I was planning to join TM. --Jondel 04:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sahaj Marg was serious Meditation...NOT
Sahaj used to be serious meditation. It is now "obey" the guru and the Structure and empowers what you focus on. Where it was a 16 circles of the material to get to the Divine, it is now the Whispers from the Brighter World which is really "spiritualism" Where is Houdini? To debunk it? LOL I see the abhyasis disempowered, without dreams of their own and their goals become Chari's or the SRCM's goals. That is not serious meditation. Serious meditation is contact with the Spirit, the divine, not Chari or SRCM, those are material things and egoistical people. Just my experience and my opinion.
Peace...Pace nobis Domine...
don.
[edit] Please Consider This
Hi Don,
Josh here. I have a question. Are there any more blogs other than the ones that you have listed as being "just a few?" I removed "just a few" from your post when I thought that I had added every single one that there is. If you know of any more, put them on. If you don't, perhaps remove the "just a few." Also, I wonder whether it belongs over the rest of the entries. It is basically a statement saying that this is not the place to discuss Sahaj Marg -- pro or con, and lists ways to discuss it through other avenues. But I find that although you wrote that, you still give opinions of Sahaj Marg on the discussion page. Also, if one were to write the mission to request permission to promote Sahaj Marg (as you have suggested), it would be denied, because it is quite clearly against the mission's constitution, written by Babuji, by which the mission is bound to abide, in order to qualify for its status with the government. So that suggestion is needless, due to these facts. Anyway, I don't think I will change that post again, but I do ask you to please consider these issues. I used to get very upset with your postings, and I still am uncomfortable with some of them, but they do not disturb me so much any more, and I see your perspective more clearly, though I am not any less loyal of an abhyasi. I do think that we are all learning from one another, which is valuable. Peace -- Josh
[edit] Considered and changed
Hi Josh..
Thanks for the input...I will change "a few" to "some". It is unfortunate that once someone start "proselytizing" the reaction is to "give opinions" to counter. I will refrain if all refrain....That is the reason for the post in the "Notice Section" of the page...I will keep my opinions in my and other blogs on line...Here I will remain "encyclopedic" and not get into the value of Sahaj Marg as a spiritual discipline. But I will give my opinion on the encyclopedic value, accuracy, verifiability of the information. Hope we don't get more "proselytizers" on this page..
Thanks for your civility this time...(no more "frog" jokes or other racial slurs)...Having been a "minority" (Acadian) in my country, I am used to it and I can take it (and would let it exist) but it does not reflect well on Sahaj Marg as a Spiritual discipline and "offends" some (other) French people. (especially the French from France as they still are in an "empire" mind set, having been one of Europes colonial empires of the past centuries.
Peace on Earth to all of Goodwill
[edit] Hadn't considered that
Don
Oh man! That was most DEFINITELY not a racial slur!! It just rhymed with blog! Sheer ridiculousness due to a mood of absurdity. Hope everybody doesn't think that it was like that. I can see how it might have been interpreted that way now, due to the fct that most of the blogs are French, and frogs legs are a delicacy in France! Not my intention whatsoever!! Josh
[edit] Prayer and Humility heals all
It does not offend me personally, having used it myself to "desensitise" situations in my "mediation and arbitration" roles in the past, but it does still offend some. But controlling the Mind, which is what Raja Yoga is about with it's Octave (eight-fold) path, maybe does not work if the tapas (austerities, sacrifice, service etc..) are removed from the system as with Sahaj Marg. It removes the sensitivity and the compassion and the love for the neighbour and specially for the "enemy" and makes one, in one's moment of anger, lash out with uncontolled words from the unfettered mind. Maybe the tapas was the "compassion-giving" mechanism of the Raja Yoga system.
Some of Chariji's comments on Christianity (confession) and Christ (wisdom in being crucified) also offends Christians but he also does not know, not being aware of the implications of the historical "righteousness" of the Christian mindset. Questionning Christ's wisdom in being crucified is akin to questionning Martin Luther King widsom in being shot. It just happened and should be respected as such and not "used" to further the goal of "stealing the sheep" of the Catholic or the Christians "Shepherds". The same for the "ability of Priests to "fogive sins", it should just be accepted as such, specially from a person who claims to be able to "create 10 Vivekenandas" at one sitting and to "remove Samskaras" from the Abhyasis. His statements, in my opinion, will creates "samskaras" and will be part of the "denseness" hat Chari transmits to the rest of you. And you will become like him as you "wish". Carefull what you wish, is the wisdom I was taught. Unless you think, like Chari, that his statements come from God, being the representative of God, and that he is "right" as he likes to claim.
The Jews are saying the same thing to the Christians who are trying to get Jews to convert to Christianity and I agree with them there also. It shows a great amount of ego and Machievialinism that is not what the claims of the group reflects. Love and respect should be what the Master encourages and "displays" also, and maybe that is the danger of becoming a "clone" of an imperfect Master. All the Imperfections also enter in. I am sure that you, in your own heart would be sensitive to "racism" and racist slurs. But Power corrupts. And that is what those who have left Sahaj Marg are saying. We did not like what we became with Sahaj Marg...See Chari's Denmark speech in Nopvmber 2003....
But I am sure that all this also shall pass....and I won't preach at you but I have the right to question and judge the system, if not the individuals in the system. How else can we use the "claim" and the "quote" approach of the Journalist in writing an encyclopedia, if we do not know what to attribute to a claim and what is a concensual "truth" because we all can see it. By their fruit, you shall know them, is a quote attributed to Christ but I'm sure it is not "original".....It is just a "Truism" and should be a benchmark for all spiritual disciplines and certainly for the Masters of these disciplines...
AMEN....(Just a Joke, I am not religious) "So be it" is the meaning of Amen in Latin...
PS. Thanks again for your "spirit" and your understanding of my intent here. If you are left with a bad taste, let me know...My intent is to reach a "brotherhood" with you and not an "enemy". Although if we do, I will still attempt to love you as an enemy and not ignore and reject you but to respect you as a "part of the ONE God".
Don...
[edit] Unfortunate Circumstances
Don
I can assure you that I didn't get my insensitivity from Chariji. I was not even aware that "frog" was a racial slur. Of course, if Chariji had told me that it was, I would not have used it, but other than that, I cannot find a way to blame him for my ignorance. I feel badly that world situations have led to such a general feeling of mistrust that the mere mention of an amphibian is enough to hurt someone's feelings. However, this is not my doing or responsibility, though I will take more care in the future.
Josh PS -- Thanks for making the change!
PPS -- Just noticed your recent blog entries. Thank you for your trust. By the way, the allegation that I am involved in computer science is absolutely false. I am, in fact, pursuing a career as a classical violinist.
Josh
[edit] I stand corrected
Sorry...It must have been another with the same name. Good luck in your music career. I have corrected on Poxy SRCM in my latest post...
Don
[edit] Thank You
Thanks, Don. I appreciate that.
Josh
[edit] Sahaj Marg
Hi Don, unfortunately I had to remove some of the links you posted to articles in French, according to Wikipedia guidelines. Do you know if there are translations of the aforementioned articles? They would be a welcome addition to the article (for balance).
Sfacets 06:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sahaj Marg NPOV
Hi! Hope this finds you well. I'm interested in collaborating on an updated version of the Sahaj Marg article. I've posted some comments on the discussion page for Sahaj Marg... I've also read your blog, and it seems we've shared some experiences. I'm fairly well versed in SM literature and philosophy, as well as being an avid wikipedia reader, so I bet between yourself, me, Sfacets and CP-Sakha we can come up with something even better than what's there now.
MatheoDJ 2006-10-16 10:37 (UTC)
[edit] Hi Matheodj =
Thanks for the input...and this message....I will write a comment on the Sahaj Marg Discussion page..
This is for you and me....CP-Sakha is now in India with Chari (in the Lion's den as Chari calls it), trying to "get back in" and although the idea of changing the text of the article and leaving the majority of the "quotes" in on my blog, sounds like a good idea, this is where the majority of the "searchers" come so this is the place to leave a "stand-alone" and "paraphrased" article and not rely on the "individual" blogs that are rumoured to be soon "legally challenged" by the Mission. So this is the only place for "controversial" information that might survive the "legal" challenges (being "paraphrased").
In a perfect world, I would agree with you. But this is a group that, being businessmen, and the "kings of Industry" and Indian "nationalists", use the courts all the time even against one another. If you read KC Narayana (Dr Varadachari's son, ex-member of the "working committee" and leader of the breakaway, ISRC (Institute for Ram Chandra Consciousness) which Christian and a bunch of preceptors and abhyasis have "defected" to, on Christian's blog, and also the comments on Michael's blog, you will notice that this is a "business" that uses Sprituality as a "product". So they are protecting their "investment" and their product.
See you later..We can discuss the Sahaj Marg material on the "discussion Page" there.....
Sfacets is the one who made me aware of the "Homosexuality" issue...
--don 20:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Don..
[edit] From SMSF-Srcm
Since removed by SMSF srcm...See History Nov 21 for content
[edit] Reply to SMSF srcm
Hi SMSF...
Thanks for you message...I placed it at the end of the page...
So you have any proof of what you say.
1. Can you tell me a little about yourself... a. Abhyasi? Still part of SRCM? b. Preceptor? c. Which part of the world (India, Europe, USA, Canada ...) d. Why speak out now?
2. Baster's son, Krisha, owns the SRSF? Is there documentation or statements to this effect?
3. Barry Day is let go for speaking out? Does Barry Day speak out now, or is he still in SRCM?
4. Do you intend to "go public" as many of have done? Are you willing to "testify" (stand up and be counted) or give "your testimonial" anonymously. (compilation is in progress in Europe).
5. Do you have any evidence that the "inner circle" is travelling free of charge or at the expense of the Mission? (You mentionned one name and "son" of the Master)
6. Words written anonymously have no weigth and are just "hearsay" or gossip. Will you furnish a name (your first name and city) with the understanding that I can print it, and/or proof or evidence if that is possible?
Thanks for your contribution to the Wealth of Material being sent to me daily...If you want to communicate more "anonymously" that this, you can send it to "don-4d-don@hotmail.com"
Don--don 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] From SMSF srcm
Since removed by SMSF srcm...(See History Nov 21 for content)
[edit] Hi SMSF srcm...
Thanks for the Info....I guess you know the "ins" and "outs" of the Mission so you must still be "in" and do not want to "expose" yourself.
I will wait for your next instalment...and sorry that you are caught in such a "terrible" situation, if things are as you describe them...It must be terrible. Is this the "path to the ONE God" for you? Do you think that the ONE God favours such "goings ons" with "blessings"?
don
[edit] From SMSF srcm
Hi don...
Since Removed by SMSF srcm...(See History Nov 21 for content)
[edit] Reply to SMSF srcm
Hi SMSF srcm...
What do you wish to accomplish with these messages to me on my "User Page"? Do you wish to give me a "heads up" or alert me to the "corruption" in the Mission? This information will be part of the "public debate" on Sahaj Marg and the SRCM and will not be "hidden"...
You probably realize that I don't have to be convinced about SRCM as I have been an abhyasis myself. I was there when Chari took over and left after meeting him and looking into his "soul" through the windows of the soul, the eyes.
I appreciate you information...If you want something more from me, please say so...I think your info should be out in the "public" as that is the place where it would have the most "impact"...It can be done without "exposing" yourself too much. Others have done it and you could do the same or add your comments to other people's sites where it would be seen by more people than on my "user page"
Just a thought...I will be here for you if you need me...and you don't "bother me"...You just confirm my and other's feelings and "suspicions"...
Thank you for your courage...
Keep on the Sunny Side of Life...and...Forgive them for they know not what they do!!!
Don...
[edit] Hi Don
You claim to be mostly impartial. But you are an ex-abhyasi. So you must have either got disillusioned or had a negative experience(any other possibility?). Can you tell me something that will make me feel that your true intention is to bring out information and not just rant against the organization *you* hate.
Is it not a bit unfair that a person who has a strong opinion about a topic somehow monopolizes the right to edit an article. I am not asking for that privilege myself. I would prefer to stick to the logic and will keep my hands dry until I fully know what the hell is going on. But how would I expect you to allow anybody to contribute anything to that article if you would first filter that to confirm it somehow proves that the institution is a fraud.
All your recent edits somehow focus on exposing SRCM and therefore I feel uncomfortable to a certain extent as it is very tiresome to deal with a frustrated guy with a lot of passion. I sometimes wonder why I have entered into this editwar where I am highly unlikely to encounter anyone who has little connection with SRCM either as an ex-member or a current member who is a strong believer.
I am not saying what u r doing is wrong. But just make me feel comfortable that I am dealing with someone who is interested in true knowledge much more than your mission to expose SRCM. 59.92.199.189 15:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reply to 59.92.199.189
Hi 59.92.199.189
Unfortunately, most of the editors who get involved here have a "POV", me, your "friend", and you included. No one is "un-biased"...we all have a bias of some sort. What we want to do is to reach a concensus on an article so that all the POV are reflected and leave the reader chose the "knowledge" and truth he/she wants. Not all the information will be agreed upon but we can represent a "broad" picture of the topic and not just a "one-dimensional" view of the organization in question.
The adherents to SRCM want only what is the "Party line" and understandably so, as that is what they have to believe to belong to a group that demands "obedience" so as to reach the "Ultimate". But the truth is never "one-dimensional" as we live in a n...dimension reality. The truth is not "black and white" but various shades of grey. That is what the article should be so as to reflect the REALITY that this group claims to want to reach. They want to be the good guys in "WHITE" and anyone who questions or opposes their view as the bad guys, frustrated or "biased" etc..and paint them in "BLACK".
Now the INTERNET or Information revolution has changed all that and is giving those who have an experience of a product such as "spirituality" that is sold for "donations", cost of books, and cost of seminars, can now share that experience with others and that in itself is a "ROAD SIGN", either of danger or of "approval"...
We have the technology...Make it so...
Don--don 19:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)--don 19:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hi Don
I am fully aware that we all have a bias (including myself). But an article on wikipedia ought to be more "useful" than (infinity-infinity). The hard question is not whether the article should reflect a shade of grey. The real question is whether the guy who is determined to show that something it BLACK or WHITE should some how get any extra privileges. I am not accusing you of anything so don't bother to clarify. This is just logic, so don't think too much about "me" or "my motives".
But the situation is this. Do you really think the current state of the article is RGB=(0.5,0.5,0.5) or (127,127,127) (Exact grey in whatever definition) Now the problem is this: If some one wants to make it whiter... consensus is needed and if some one wants to make it blacker consensus is needed. So there is a bias towards the current state of the article. Do you disgree??
Again I do not argue that exact grey is the right color either. Having an exact grey article about the WTC bombings or the world wars is not an acceptable state even if 50% of the editors want to make it that way. So the question is how do you choose the state of grey. I do appreciate the fact that you seem to want produce "output" at the end of the day.
I used the word "colleague". "friend" is a word I reserve for a much smaller subset of people. The organization that I work for does not seem to have much of an effect on either our religious beliefs or practices. And don't worry, I became a Pastafarian very early in life. The reason for mentioning the reason for my arrival on that page is that. I wanted to avoid a huge controversy about why N.N.N.N is over here. Or maybe slip of the fingers ;-). Or maybe full disclosure ;-). Or maybe pretention of full disclosure ;-) or so on...
Ok let us start the discussion assuming that I have a bias anywhere b/w -infinity to +infinity.
Ignoring all that let us "slowly" yet "systematically" proceed towards "output".
All I want to say is that it is illogical to assume that the current version has "acceptance" merely because no one is consistently flipping the state of the article. And expecting consensus for all further alterations to use the current state of the article as a baseline. I am not demanding a rewrite from scratch. But I definitely demand a "rethought" from scratch. What i am saying by this is that the article is in state x. You moved it up by delta y therefore it needs to now be moved down by delta y. The focus should be on references and not on achieving perfect grey.
Your response shows that you believe in argument and not cursing and yelling and screaming. I hope neither of us will resort to cursing and screaming if we are proved "less correct" than the other party.
What I am saying is that it is stupid to have a prolonged lawsuit involving a guy who would after being proved wrong shoot you and the judge in cold blood and run away from the scene. I am not accusing you of being like that. But I want a gentleman's assurance from you that you do not believe that "Intelligent debate is 'one of the options'". I promise back the same.
59.92.199.74 15:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reply to 59.92.199.74
Hi 59.92.199.74
Yes...an encyclopedia article will be biased towards the "status quo" which is the a conglomeration of the biases of the participants and/or contributors to date. Such is the state of "information" and the world in general. The status quo is the the status quo because someone took the time and the effort to make it so. But it is not one POV that is the Status quo, not mine or anyone else's.
I still get e-mails asking me to correct "inaccuracies" by others who for reason of their own (as yourself), chose to remain anonymous and "in the background" (University profs, businessmen, public servants (politicians, military, police, judicial, etc.). This issue has surfaced around this group in Europe and became a Media event as a judge and a politician were questionned in the media on their ability to remain "impartial", and be a follower of an SRCM with it's principle of "obedience" to a Master (a "foreigner"-media quote) to the point of "killing one's mother"....In Sahaj Marg, the Master becomes the father, mother, brother, friend, doctor etc...and there is no role that the Master does not undertake.
I don't have any problems with any of your arguments and have no counter, and as I have worked in "concensus" building, sometimes "when the issues do not matter", silence is the best way to reach concensus...So I will be silent on the rest of your comments.
I don't know if I can promise you "intelligence" but I can promise you an attempt at it!! But that will be my POV and it is not "neutral". ;-)) lol
Keep on the Sunny Side of Life...
4d-don
[edit] Hi Don
I notice a time warp ;-). Whazzup? I think the infalliable FSM has screwed up the fabric of time!!! If you are also involved, I shall move out without collecting the light-saber from you. But I hope you realize by now that you lose more than SRCM by this!!! 59.92.187.104 18:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hi 59.92.187.104
Yes I had to revert rather that check everything that was "changed" by n...dimensional "myths". If you go up one dimension, you will notice that the fabric of "motion" has not been warped or "screwed up", but that a mythic geometry expressed up one dimension is seen as a "motion or event" when looking down across the dimensions.
I am involved in trying to make the world a better place so that we can turn our attention and our "time and money" to expanding to the rest of the solar system and then the galaxy. (That means watching for "meteors" or other Civilization-busting events (environmental, disease, droughts, etc...
Money or wealth is the realm of PLUTO (the god of the underworld) in greek mythology and it's acolytes are called "plutocrats", the wealthy. When Plutocrats want power, they get involved in money and then the "religions" at their "crony" age. They are easy to spot as their theology is flawed (i.e. "God is Male",in most religions today), philosophies are flawed (women can't be Masters because they are not "destructive " enough and institutions are pyramidal with all the as power centralized into one Physical form or person. The natives and earth religions use the circle as their structural underpinning with the fire at the centre of the circle. Spirituality should be at least the "spiral".
Time is part of the the myth of the destroyer Siva or Shiva and in Greek myth Chronos, in Roman Myth Saturn (the planet), and represented that Father Time who destroys all...
I do not have a light saber to hand over, but ideas and I think that it's the technology that is "man of the year"!! and the blogger is just a user who "publishes" in virtual space.
Money, being abstract, a counting system, belongs in virual space. The math is already there with negative numbers or "Debt". The economist, the bean counter, should not lead or be the Master of society with his "saber", his adding machine (1d), creating an economy (2d), to buy and sell goods and services (3d). Pluto and the Plutocrats try to "sell" the 4d of rewards on the "other side", in the "brighter world" and takes the "time and money" of the "do gooders" who would be doing the "social work" that our planet so direly need. An it's a gift that they can't give as they don't own it. It belongs to the ALL or the ONE!!
The leader (at this time) should be the "technocracy....See the seven archtypes of the Kabbalah (Jewish) http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/SeferZohar.htm and the seven principles of the Kybalion (Egypt) www.thenazareneway.com/kybalion.htm
I hope that none of us lose but that all gain, even me, you and SRCM and the "plutocrats". If I read and encyclopedia article, I would like it to look like this one in the future with all sides free to have an expression...and it does!! The .com, .org, .net are all available to SRCMtm and will reamain for a long time. We, the common folks now have Wiki and the Blogs.....If there is a bit of info that you see and that would reflect your view, I welcome it... with references of course... If ever I meet another Pastafarian, I will talk about you in kindness...I will say that I like your spirit and will mention that pasta bullets should bring "sauce" and not blood...like you mentionned last TIME!! ;-))
Saturn (TIME) the planet is in Leo and is just rising here!!
Pluto is not a planet any more and is to be returned to the Underworld with His (male) gifts of Plutonium and oil.
Saturn as the god of TIME will be taken out of the n...dimensional model of the physical Universe that is in vogue today thanks to Minkowski (1908), teacher of Einstein. Instead of SPACETIME, we will start to see the 4th dimension of space and then look to MOTION for the other further dimensions (measurements) (an octave (8) of dimensions, I think, for a galactic consciousness. We see the seven nodes in music scale (sound), in light (the rainbow), transitions from crystal (matter) back to energy and if we look at string theory, back to SPACE! So from Space to Space!)
Phase transitions:
- 1 Take ice, add heat and you get water, a liquid
- 2 Take a liquid and add heat and you get steam, a gas
- 3 Take a gas and add heat and you get plasma, an ionized gas (electrons seperated for the nucleus (protons and neutrons)
- 4. Take a plasma and add heat and you get a "no-name yet # 1" but is a rarified gas with only protons and neutrons and their gluons (carriers of the forces) in isolation or not bound
- 5. Take a sea of "proton/neutron/gluons rarified gas" and add heat and you get a "no-name yet # 2" but is a more rarified gas with only gluons (force carriers) not bound in the proton and the neutron.
- 6. Take a sea of gluons and add heat and your get a "no-name yet # 3" but is a sea of "quarks" arranged in 3's to make the proton/neutron and in 2's for the gluons
- 7. Take a sea of quarks and add heat and you get a sea of "strings" one-dimensional energy of space itself
TIME then is seen as the "rate of change" and not the "change" (transitions, transformation events) itself. MOTION is the "thing". As we (Newton)saw the force of "attraction" and called it gravity, we now see thanks to the 1850's many scientists, that "gravity" is a warping of 4d spacemotion (my word) and is not a "spooky action at a distance" as Einstein said.
But I ramble....If you need me, I'll be in the Euclidean Relativity sites and discussions... on my many "patrols"...under an aka of course. lol
Safely tucked inside the ONE (God) where we live!!!
Don...--don 23:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Got your point.
THE SID 59.92.187.104 03:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] talk:Sahaj Marg
I'd noticed the weird situation with talk:Sahaj Marg before, but I couldn't figure out how to resolve it. I don't know that your fix is great either, as now there's duplicate material in two places. I think it would have been better to un-rediect the page and leave it blank until someone wants to write a new comment. -Will Beback · † · 02:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
