User talk:BirgitteSB

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Hello, BirgitteSB, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Thank you for the info. I think I've got my sig down now. --BirgitteSB July 7, 2005 18:48 (UTC)

Contents 1 Talk in the bottom 2 Voting 3 Thank you 4 Polynesia map 5 Signature 6 Please complete your afd nominations 7 ws 8 Answered 9 John of Gaunt 10 about gettysburg address 11 s:Transwiki:Conversion of Dale-Gudbrand 12 ArbCom 13 Transwiki 14 Source text 15 source stuff 16 Thanks for your understanding note on Wikinomics 17 Ag 18 FYROM or Republic of Macedonia 19 Copyvio 20 Your comment... 21 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 22 Vorkosigan Saga Inconsistencies 23 Wikisource inclusion 24 Huh? 25 brigitte 26 Transwiki 27 Migration to Wikisource 28 Zechariah 29 Ang.wikisource 30 In future... deletion... etc. 31 Foolish consistency 32 s:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm 33 Transwikis to Wikisource 34 Removal of Copyvio notices 35 Re:Wikisource account 36 Transwikiing 37 Thanks for taking the time! 38 Re: Wikipedia:Copyright review 39 Howdy 40 Alleged copyvio 41 Re: Wikisource 42 Lefebvre Biography 43 Estate of Martin Luther King, Jr., Inc. v. CBS, Inc. 44 Lefebvre Footnotes 45 English Manors 46 Please 47 WP:V 48 music notation 49 WP:ATT 50 A panel about wikipedia - sister projects 51 Policy debate 52 Chalukyas 53 Sorry!! 54 Influenza 55 Omlette 56 Thank you! 57 Username discussion 58 Thank you for supporting my RfA 59 Chalukya 60 ochs 61 Óengus I of the Picts 62 Featured Lists 63 Transwiki 64 List of cetaceans 65 Lei tai 66 Thank you 67 My answers 68 Your input is requested 69 Trolls 70 Your commentary on my talk page 71 Wiki-Pump - Thank You! 72 Re: Non-Latin Username Blocks 73 Fact-checking proposal 74 Re: Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#What is the status on this namechange? 75 Sigs 76 Re:WP:CHU 77 Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar 78 Your message 79 For what it's worth 80 Young User 81 Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922) - copyvio 82 Your sig 83 Username blocking 84 The community as a whole is admonished 85 My RfA 86 Metabolism 87 Sig and Thanks

[edit] Talk in the bottom

When using talk pages, please start new threads at the bottom of the page, not at the top. Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 7 July 2005 20:58 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

You can place your votes by using four tildes ~~~~. Thanks for your support, though. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for your excellent contribution to Polynesia. The collaboration is off to a great start.

A tip - Leave four tildas ~~~~ and your user name plus a time stamp will be generated.

Regards, lots of issues | leave me a message 01:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polynesia map

I am working on it. Someone provided me a very large file, so don't worry about that task of the collaboration. lots of issues | leave me a message 02:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Actually, the easiest way is just to click the "signature" box on the editing bar (the row of boxes that is above the editing space on the edit page, starting with a B for bold and an I for italic) - the signature box is second from the end. Otherwise, you should use four tildes: ~~~~, which will addyour signature plus the date. Cheers! -- BDAbramson ^talk 18:19, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please complete your afd nominations

Thank you for your efforts to keep transwikied source material off of Wikipedia. However, I must ask you to please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion before making any more afd nominations. Since you've been missing steps II and III, nobody will see your nominations unless someone else finds them on Category:Pages for deletion and lists them for you (which is a very time-consuming process, even with bot assistance). This also causes the articles you're trying to get deleted to stay in Wikipedia for longer than they otherwise would. —Cryptic (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know I got your message. I am planning on finishing these deletion, hopefullly within a week. I have been going through articles looking for bad links to Wikisource, which in many cases cause editors to repeatedly add works to the completely wrong place. I have followed links to prompt that a page did not exist on Wikisource with 18 deleted edits. As I was going through my search I found these many blank pages and thought would be remiss not to tag them, but I could hardly complete the nomination then and make any headway through my list. They have sat ignored and blank since July and so I thought little harm to let them sit a bit longer till I finish my primary project. If you believe I would do better not to tag further articles as go through my list I will refrain from doing so. I truly more concerned about Wikisource issues, but felt bad looking at all the blank pages and doing nothing--BirgitteSB 17:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I've completed the current ones; the problem is that I run a bot to find broken nominations every day. The task can't be fully automated (there are many false positives), so I have to manually look at every article that gets tagged with {{afd}} but doesn't get completed. Because of the strange things that can sometimes go wrong with noms (moved articles, single nominations for multiple articles, etc.), it actually takes longer to complete a half-done nomination than to start a new one from scratch. If you expect to find a lot more of these, please either complete the nominations as you make them, or else drop a list of the articles on my talk page instead of tagging them yourself. I do agree that these need to go, and would be happy to list them myself. —Cryptic (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ws

thank you indeed, the template is very useful; I was very unhappy with all the broken links generated by the split of wikisource into subdomains. I put the entire text of Hesychius on wikisource, but I couldn't find it after the split. dab (ᛏ) 17:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

yes, imho the ws split was unwise or at least somewhat rash; but I am not active there except for dumping the occasional text, so it is really up to you ws people :) I suppose once everything is sorted out, the negative effects will not be as severe. regards, dab (ᛏ) 17:26, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Answered

I've replied to your query on my talk page. —Cryptic (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John of Gaunt

What is the contradiction you refer to? Choess 04:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

No, that's fine. It really did go extinct: it was granted to him and his heirs-male, and as he had no sons, it became extinct on his death. Thanks. Choess 21:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about gettysburg address

I think I put it in the right place in bulgarian sector.--Makedonas 02:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] s:Transwiki:Conversion of Dale-Gudbrand

Thanks for informing me. Feel free to delete it, as I wouldn't know what to do with it, and at any rate, copyvios need to go. Have a nice day. :) Johnleemk | Talk 07:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom

I want to thank everyone who took the time to vote on my ArbCom candidacy. I have placed some thoughts on this matter on my user pageand would welcome your thoughts.--Edivorce 23:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transwiki

Thanks for the notice. I think it's because this is a step of the transwiki process that is commonly ignored due to obscurity. Johnleemk | Talk 04:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source text

Actually, it's both a source text (the James Madison content) and a copyvio. Just Googled one of the paragraphs.  :) - Lucky 6.9 04:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

It's what I do.  :)) Thanks for the nice words. Best, Lucky 6.9 04:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] source stuff

If you find material here which is already on Wikisource, be bold. Don't {{prod}} it - chop it yourself and put in a {{wikisource}} tag. See Excelsior (Longfellow) and Barbara Frietchie by John Greenleaf Whittier for example. -- RHaworth 19:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your understanding note on Wikinomics

Thanks for your kind words. I like to share and wikipedia has been a great place for me to write articles on topics I am knowledgeable. I have met several interesting people working on articles together. I was a little shocked when as soon as I added my article on Wikinomics that it was marked for a "candidate for deletion" because there were less than 100 hits in Google. Seems somewhat odd. It would have been nicer to just suggest a different location. But what is still not clear to me is what if this is not original research? Could it just the application description of transaction costs to wikipedia, something anyone with a basic class in economics could do? Is that a valid article to write? Then to be told to put it back on wikipedia only created more confusion. I think your idea to put it back into wikipedia just just under a dry topics like "economics" and "transaction costs of shared knowledge systems" is a good idea. I can then talk to other people about it that care about those topics and we can all write a good articles together. There are plenty of good sources I can quote from my economics and knowledge managment textbooks. I am frustrated, but I understand that there really is not a place for collaborative discussion yet on new topics there people threaten to delete thoughtful work. The article was really part of an economics assignment for a class, but with all this moving back an forth I think that Microsoft Word is a good format also :-O. YIKES!

Anyway, thanks again for your sympathetic note and your empathy. Nice to see that there is someone else out there that cares about my feelings. I just wanted them to be validated. OK, now I feel much better. :-) - Dan --Dan 18:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ag

Re your user page: Yeah, I know the anti-agriculture bias you are talking about. I think we can slowly counter that by using high-quality references to back up factual statements in ag related articles. It's frustrating sometimes to deal with the pseudoscience and rumors that some people take as fact.... ike9898 20:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC

[edit] FYROM or Republic of Macedonia

Thank you for clarifying that Birgitte and I hope you are not getting tired of all this. I have posted some comments to your explanation, along with a response to User:E Pluribus Anthony who had also responded on my sketch. I think you should read both.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

You stated that there was a copy-vio of the article on Phoebe Buffay's songs. Could you possibly state the URL for the copy-vio. Thanks, Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 19:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandlism:Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page, looks like not that mean people like me! Heh heh! Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 16:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment...

(I mean this one), could it possibly mean something along the lines of:

• Macedonia (former Yugoslav Republic of)

?
If that is so, I'd be more than glad to discuss it further...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page I could support anything that otherwise gains widespread support. That includes Macedonia (former Yugoslav Republic of); Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia); Macedonina (Republic of Macedonia); Macedonia (modern nation); Macedonia (Eastern European republic); Macedonia (Slavic nation); as well as countless other possibilties. I cannot grasp all the import of the slight differences under disscusion, so I am not willing to push any of these options which meet sincere strong oposition. You, I believe, understand all these contentious points. Which sort of name do you think would be most agreeable to all involved?--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 16:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I copied your comment here above for continuity, so let's continue in your place, not mine, if you agree :-). Ok, I sincerely think that with your proposal you have given an idea that will really help to end this bickering. My first impression would be that the most acceptable name from all sides, would be the one I proposed above. The quick reasons I can think of right now follow:

• First of all we are not inventing names. I've seen this version in other sites etc, plus it is common to put after the names in parentheses their first few disambiguating terms.
• The name is in due weights according to the situation internationally. I mean, many people (including themselves) call them simply Macedonians, some 2/3ds of the countries have recognised the RoM name, and Greece, plus all international organizations plus 1/3d or so of the countries use the spellout, or the initials of fyrom.
• Most pro-Greek users will be sad that the name Macedonia is first and outside of the parentheses, but I suspect they'll most probably prefer it, since it contains the fyrom spellout (hidden, but it does).
• Most pro-Skopian users will have the exact opposite feelings from the Greeks, and may prefer it because it finally puts in parenthesis all the bickering.
• Most third users will find that this is an equitable presentation of the real situation and support it.

What do you think? NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

No deal. - FrancisTyers 17:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

So, where were we Birgitte, before the phone rang?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

All I need to is to see widespread support for such a move. Although I can understand your points, it would probably be best to be open to other possibilities. These things are settled when everyone's input is taken into account and hopefully a satisfactory solution is arrived at. Keep in mind the number one goal of a page title is signal to the reader what they can find in the article. This title in particular is also trying to specify what is different about this Macedonia from all the others on the disambig page. As long as a version succeeds at doing those two things; I would not oppose it, with my support going to a wording which is also supported by a wide range of people. I realize that is not a great deal of help, but if I knew what the actual answer to this was I would certainly tell you.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 19:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Vorkosigan Saga Inconsistencies

You might want to cast your vote on the new deletion discussion page. xompanthy 22:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I didn't feel it was quite proper for me to nominate something for deletion twice. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 02:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikisource inclusion

I noticed you have recently tagged some articles for moving to Wikisource. I wanted to talk to you especially about the splitting off of data from and article and then tagging it for WS. The English Wikisource community has recently decided to exclude all data and reference material which is not attached to a larger work available on Wikisource. Although we have not yet deleted the material which currently exists at WS, please be aware this sort of material will no longer be accepted. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 03:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember doing this recently; which articles do you mean? Is this new policy explained somewhere on Wikisource? I poked around a bit and didn't see anything, and I'm not sure I entirely understand the decision. -- Beland 04:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The data I remember seeing was some kind of immigration figures. I believe s:Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference material has been partially updated, there is still some disscusion about the details. Basically if we had the entire report that include the immigration data we would accept it, but we are not accepting unaffiliated reference material. The original disscussion can be found at s:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006/04#Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource. The decison to exclude this material met with no opposition and only one neutral editior, let me know if you have any further questions.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 13:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I poked through my contributions for the past month, and I don't see anything being tagged for Wikisource, but I'll take your word for it. I think I see why wikisource considers reference material outside of its scope; probably you'll want to transfer that information to Wikibooks. -- Beland 15:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

Hi Birgitte,

What article were you specifically refering to? Regards, —Khoikhoi 05:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 01:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] brigitte

wow, brigitte, your name is so impressive !!!!! Unixer 11:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Really? Well it is at least more unique than my real name. Which is the main reason I have used for internet accounts since Prodigy back in 1995! --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 11:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transwiki

Argh, that was my fault, sorry, I hadn't actually checked the history of the page; I'd just been checking WP:AFD/Old, and it was listed as a page that required moving to Wikisource (I did Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868), and I noticed the old AFD tag, and after checking the AFD to make sure I wasn't seeing things, removed it and added {{Move to Wikisource}}. I probably should've actually checked the process for transwiki for things that aren't suitable for Wikisource :-) Jude (talk,contribs,email) 12:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Migration to Wikisource

I've completed migrating all of the articles on the list that you left me to Wikisource links (along with cleaning up the citations, etc, while I was at it). I'm not sure, however, what the issue might've been with Helaman, and I haven't seen you on IRC, so I thought that I'd leave you a message here to ask what the issue with it was. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 02:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I finished most of them last night, thought I may as well get them all done. There weren't actually that many when I started, around a hundred or so left, and I got through them quite quickly... Alas, I haven't come up with a plausible alternative for the multiple-verses yet. I'll let you know if/when I do. Jude (talk,email) 04:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for the post on my talk. I'm intrigued by your user page links! (e.g. I just navigated into Wheel Warring proposal)

I'm out of wikiTime for the moment, RL intrudes, but I'll check back and give things a closer read later this evening.

Thanks again, // FrankB 20:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I wadded through that, and even suggested to a few that they may want to look in... including a librarian friend who has been a great comfort and resource. Thanks and Best regards // FrankB 17:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zechariah

I noticed this about two hours ago, but it was right before I went to make dinner, and as such I forgot to fix it! Bah! Thanks for reminding me, I'll go do that right now... Just to work out which script I need to run it through... Jude (talk) 11:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed it. I'll have a look at the template now :-) Jude (talk) 12:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I've incorporated your -Wycliffe template into {{s:Template:Biblecontents}}, and I've reflected this change on Bible (Wycliffe). Feel free to revert me, if you prefer having them seperate. I've been working on a script to convert the Wycliffe, and I'll probably start the conversion tomorrow. I just have to fix the headers... Jude (talk) 13:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ang.wikisource

Hi! I didn't know that the Ang: wikisource had been created until you told me about it, so thanks for letting me know! I'll try to put up some things to the en: domain when I can, I'm just wondering if it's the right place to put documents in a foreign language (is Goethe in German or English there?). If there's any help or advice you could offer me on any of the ang: sites, please do! I'm always open to new ideas on wiki. James--66.177.127.7 17:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't really consider anglo-saxon a foriegn language to en.wikisource. Our policy is to title the text by the most common name. Since most (if not all) Anglo-Saxon works did not have "titles" as we would use the term today, I believe they will end up with modern titles (i.e. s:en:Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader. But I am not against titling works in Anglo-Saxon as long it has been published that way at some point. In fact many works should probaly be disambiguation pages with links to the original Anglo-Saxon as well as modern interpretaions. I really think it would be great to have an Anglo-Saxon Portal that could be written in Anglo-Saxan on en.WS. We have not started portals at all yet as we are waiting for the namespace manager. This is all just me brainstorming so others may disagree, but I think all english languages should be at en.WS. Since we are working with staitic texts we do not have to worry about one editor writing in scots and another adding a bit in middle english. In fact we do not even have to deal with the british vs american spelling problems that en.WP does. I think that to make a seperate ang.WS is really a wasted effort as far as all the administrative work that must be done. If we just used the infastructure of en.WS everyone would have more time to actually work on texts.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 18:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In future... deletion... etc.

... Sorry about that - it came out much more salty than I had intended. I don't fault any individual members, and have proposed an alteration to the deletion policy to encourage more contact effort before closing the deletion. I would very much appreciate it if you could restore the documents temporarily so I can grab the formatting, and I will do the work on the alternate sourcing (and Ideally get a GFDL-compatible license issued from the archives department at hte Baha'i World Centre on the other texts as well, if possible). Thank you so much for getting back to me, and please forgive my tone of frustration, which was in no way intended personally. (Guess I should apologize to zhalashar too. <sigh>) --Christian Edward Gruber 16:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Side note, I appreciate you providing a link to the discussion, and I'm a bit frustrated as I hunted for that sucker for about half an hour and managed to miss it, before writing my comments. And then, there it was, plain as day. :) Apparently I'm not as methodical when I'm irritated. Ah well. -- Christian Edward Gruber 17:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you got it all. I have backed it up, so if you wish to re-delete them, you can. I'll work with the other main contributor through the appeals process. --Christian Edward Gruber 17:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foolish consistency

Please accept my apologies for my ignorance regarding Emerson's Self-Reliance. I will be more careful when tagging things in the future. --Varco 16:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] s:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm

It's been AFD'd from every project (besides Wikiquote, basically), with each vote saying that the page belongs on a different project; so I couldn't just re-add it to Wikipedia, and I doubt they are yet taking lists of victims anyways. Nobody has any clue what they're doing around here. Oh well. That was a waste of a good month :) — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 22:10

[edit] Transwikis to Wikisource

Hi Birgitte, got your message about sending stuff to Wikisource. If there are some particular ones I've sent over that you want to review the copyright status, could you let me know? I might have overlooked a copyright check, or might have another reason or other. Thank you very much! TheProject 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Copyvio notices

When you remove a tag speeedy delete by reason of copyvio [1] , please list as a normal copyvio. Although a source is needed to fulfill the speedy delete criteria, the lack of one does not make it any less of a copyright infringment. Thanks. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 16:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. A source is also needed to list an article as a copyvio, without one how do we know that it's a copyvio? Stifle (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Wikisource account

Thank you for the update. Can this be fixed?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought I lost my old userpage/talkpage on WS?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transwikiing

Thanks for pointing me to the transwiki instruction page--I should have realized there had to be more to the process than just copying and pasting. I'll get right on sorting that out. --Robth^Talk 23:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for taking the time!

I hadn't noticed you'd also put a reasoned response on the RFA talk page at first. Cool.

Thank you for taking the time to discuss things on the Sean Black RFA. People should do that more. Especially when they're being as logical and polite (which you are!)  :-)

Notice that I'm not saying that anyone is out for revenge or any such thing. Just that RFA is biased towards people who have had bad experiences with a candidate.

I sometimes have a tendency to put things briefly and a tad crudely. Perhaps I have to be just a tad more careful, as it takes a lot more time to explain exactly what I meant after doing so. (It does attract attention of course, so it's a tricky tradeoff :-))

Kim Bruning 22:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia:Copyright review

I wanted to point out that I have come across many cases of clear copyright violations which do not qualify for the speedy deletion criteria. Generally it is because they are older than 48 hours; as I do not participate in RC patrol, I guess I don't find the new ones. However most of the violations I have found would also fail the "commercial" requirement even if they were new enough. With that in mind I find the advice to use speedy clear copyright violations misleading.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 21:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That part is already current policy; see Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 22:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Howdy

Hey Jen! Didn't hear from you: how was your dinner that night? We (the 10 of us) had pizzas in this Italian restaurant just off Harvard Square. Where did you go and with whom? You have to give me evidence, though - you've passed on your "show-me" disease to me ;) Cheers. --Filip (§) 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm home. My flights were excellent (although with an hour's delay from Munich to Belgrade). Glad everything worked out for you. I can only imagine the manager's surprise. The waitress at our place was kinda stomped when she saw ten of us. We were trying to sqeeze in and make enough room for the pizza plates - it was great. Some of the guys later went to "Red Line" and I met Ivan Krstic (the organizer of The Hacking Days) with Wolf (that's his IRC nickname) later that evening. Yeah, Boston was great, but not as great as NYC! I had a blasting time there. All in all, I have 453 images on my photo. Can't wait to upload 'em (of course, not all of em'). :) See ya --Filip (§) 23:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't put up all of my pictures. :) I couldn't find a less blurry one with you. Oh well... About that photo of me... where is it? :D --Filip (§) 21:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh right. I tend to forget things. Sorry :) --Filip (§) 14:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged copyvio

Greetings. You seem upset with me. It's a shame that dealing with the backlog at WP:CP is often such a thankless task.

Wikipedia does try to respect the copyrights of other nations, in the sense that we consider works created in Iran to be copyrighted even though those copyrights are not enforceable here. But as Wikipedia servers are in Florida, we do not recognize the copyrights of works whose copyright is considered to have expired in the U.S, or works that are not considered copyrightable here. (Mexico, for example, protects works for 99 years after the death of the author, and France considers photographs of buildings to be violations of the architect's copyright.) This has been hashed through many, many times. See Wikipedia:Public domain for details.

I removed the entries because they had been dealt with, not because I was trying to hide anything. All my actions are free for all to see, and I'm quite willing to answer any questions you have. But your hostile tone in talking to me about this issue has not helped the situation.

All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 16:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I am quite surprised you find me hostile! Be assured you miscontrue me. I never meant to imply you have tried to hide anything. I rather thought you actions were careless. I do think in general if you disgree with someone about a copyvio it should be opened for discussion rather than immediately closed on one person's opinion. In any event if an editor misunderstands WP policy an effort should certainly be made to educate them rather than just close the item and move on. Otherwise they will continue to make the same mistakes about policy repeatedly. I do believe it is irresponsible to not have such a disscusion regarding the mistaken policy. I certainly do not understand how I have worsened the situation. Or even what the "situation" is.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

(several comments later. . .)

Thank you so much for your kind note. Your kindness speaks volumes for you. I wish more people were like you. By the way, I think my user page might give people the wrong impression, so I'll reword it so as not to seem flippant. All the best! – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 11:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikisource

Thanks, I didn't know that... Still, this leaves Xcopilot in an unfortunate condition: I feel that the how-to section does not belong there, yet it appears to be unsuitable for Wikisources. Is there any solution other than cutting it out? GregorB 13:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lefebvre Biography

Thank you very much for going to the trouble of finding this.

JASpencer 17:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Estate of Martin Luther King, Jr., Inc. v. CBS, Inc.

Thanks for your clarification to that article (and the speech article itself). My last edits to the article were based on news articles, which of course are never wrong! :-S Just a favor, if you could, would you look at the Desiderata article and see what you think? We have the copyright office saying that a court ruling in a similar "distribution without notice" case invalidated the copyright, and the text is in the article, but it also implies that the ruling isn't universal (support for which I haven't actually found). --Dhartung | Talk 17:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lefebvre Footnotes

Thank you for the amazing amount of work that you have put into this. It really is appreciated.

JASpencer 21:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English Manors

Because it's an essay, and not a Wikipedia article. In any case, it doesn't belong here. ♠PMC♠ 19:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Excusez-moi. I'll leave Transwiki alone in future. ♠PMC♠ 19:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

...don't leave us over an edit war. An unfortunate fact of Wikipedia is that we sometimes get a lot of heated debate over some relatively minor issue. I hope you won't let it 'get' to you. I find that reading this tends to help at times. Have a good weekend! >Radiant< 08:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:V

Birgitte, I'm sorry for the reverting back and forth at V yesterday. I think it was partly misunderstanding, partly frustration because the page needs to be stable, and partly me not paying proper attention. I hope you'll accept my apology and join us back at the page. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 10:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] music notation

Sadly, GUIDO music notation doesn't appear to be an active project; their last update is 2003, which is about the last time I looked at it. I started using it briefly because I was looking for something that could represent a score in a way that could be manipulated by composition-type programs, while GNU Lilypond is more typesetting oriented. As far as I know the only commonly used and reasonably fully-featured computer score formats are GNU Lilypond, Sibelius, and Finale, and the last two are commercial software (and expensive commercial software at that). Short- to medium-term, I'd say getting some security-cleaned-up version of Lilypond is the only feasible option. In the long term, there's an MPEG working group trying to come up with a new standard, but I don't think that's very close to happening. --Delirium 23:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ATT

Hi Birgitte, thanks, that's very kind of you and I particularly appreciate it coming from you. It's been a very fruitful collaboration on that page; a model of how Wikipedia can and should work, in fact. (That's can and should work, not can and must. ;-D). SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A panel about wikipedia - sister projects

Hi, I am assembling a panel of 5 that will talk about wikipedia in general. I am planing of making of covering it in 5 topics:

1. Wikimedia Foundation
2. Mediawiki
3. Copyrights
4. General info
5. Sister projects

The panel will be a part of a more general Internet conferance that will be held 21-23 December 2006 in Ankara, Turkey.

I am looking for a person to cover the "sister projects" topic. And I was told that you would be an approporate person for the job.

--Cat out 21:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Policy debate

The first thing I have to answer is: "yet we are told that it is a widely held objection". Look back through the postings. Taxman, JzG, Andrew Levine—these are not casual, one-off editors objecting; if you think it's a problem now, imagine it becomes policy—believe me, you'd have your hands full with the objections. Part of my thinking has been how wrong it is that a party of people (you and me included) numbering in the single digits is going to "decide" this. We aren't—we can streamline what is, but new, radical innovations are not on the radar IMO (I do view the exception as "radical"). Even SlimVirgin (not to put words in her mouth) I see as ambivalent regarding, rather than truly in favour of, the pop culture exception.

That off my chest, yes, maybe "accredited" is better. Jules is suggesting that people might read "professional" in the "I-get-paid-for-it" sense, but I don't see this; I only read "professional" that way when thinking of athletes and (maybe) of musicians. I read it in this context as "acceptable for a .edu or a journalism site"--i.e., regardless of whether you get paid, others (especially places of publication) would acknowledge your "credentials" and accept your work as "in the ballpark." I think through that...and, yes again, "accredited" is broadly what I mean. I just want to be able to say to a pseudoscientist, Nature wouldn't recognize you, even if you're "right". You just don't have the wherewithal to state "Z is A" in a general purpose work...(e.g., a tertiary encyclopedia such as Wikipedia). Our policies need to clearly say this. While on this topic, let me state that aliens and astrology were not meant to be glib—pseudoscientists will see through the slightest contradiction in policy and badger the hell out of you on talk pages. I don't want this exception b/c I can imagine, in a very practical sense, the shit it will cause.

If perhaps we can agree on this adjective, be aware that others will scream bloody murder. Frankly, I think some just don't want a policy, or at least want a caveat within policy that would render policy moot. I believe (difficult as it's been) that you want clarity—good. I want clarity—a clear policy that speaks to most examples but doesn't pretend it can speak to every example. I don't want a page that says "here are the rules—and BTW if you don't like them, forget them". Marskell 23:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I do understand that, for different reasons than my own, you feel the pop culture exception won't work; I only went back over that to emphasize that I wasn't the only person objecting.

Slim hasn't commented on the discussion recently, and I'd be curious her opinion. One thing occured to me: is "recognized" perhaps meant to cover accredited? "Recognized professional" is quite close to "accredited professional" really, just not explicitly demanding a piece of paper. Some might use it as a wedge—"'recognized' in the gaming community, say—but that wouldn't really hold up long. If anything is redundant there, it's "expert": "When a recognized professional expert writing in his or her area of expertise..." is probably fine. Marskell 22:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukyas

Sir, I have condensed the matter in Chalukya dynasty page as per your requirement.Dineshkannambadi 02:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry!!

Thanks for your time Madam. Let me explain what exactly i have done so it will be easy for you. The dynasty of Chalukyas starts with Badami Chalukyas. So I have given a brief detail of the overall Chalukya Dynasty at the header. Then I have gone in detail explaining about Badami Chalukyas on the same page since they are the "original" Chalukyas, created "sister pages" for Kalyani Chalukya and Eastern Chalukyas going into details in each of the sister pages. In the main page called "Chalukya Dynasty" I have elaborated on Badami Chalukyas as they were the first dynasty. If you still feel there is ambiguity of any sort , dont hesitate to let me know. ThanksDineshkannambadi 02:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Influenza

Page now nominated as a FAC. Comments and suggestions are welcome on the review page. Thank you. TimVickers 00:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank for your kind words, anybody can comment or vote in FA, just read the criteria at the top of the page and see what you think. Anyway, thanks again. TimVickers 17:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Omlette

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for helping me choose what to have for lunch! :D

— Deon555^talk_Review 01:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thanks for letting me know about the vandalism at my s: user_talk Its from an indef blocked en: user trolling admins. I've updated it. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Username discussion

Honestly, if you want people to talk about this, your best bet is to make a post about your issues to WP:AN and see if anyone is interested because more people will see it there. Many probably don't realize this is coming and you may may get a more responsive crowd. pschemp | talk 18:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for supporting my RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA that I have passed with 73/2/1.--Jusjih 09:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya

Hi. I noticed that the peer review discussion page has been archived. Did you have a chance to look at it? Please help me bring this article to featured article stage if possible.Dineshkannambadi 21:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ochs

Thanks for your note - I don't really care much about that link - it wasn't my addition as I said. But I think that editor was high-handed and I don't appreciate being threatened - this link has been there for a while, and only came up because some anonymous person removed it without discussion. I was looking for some other opinions from editors of that page before a decision was made to remove it. Anyway, thanks for the pointer to the admin area. Tvoz 05:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again - if you're interested, you can see my response on User talk:Veinor - I'm not confused, actually, although I wasn't clear about the {{helpme}}, so thanks - but it did get someone's attention (yours), so I wasn't that far off... My point is that linkiing to a Myspace Music page for a dead musician may not be so completely clearly a violation of the WP:EL guidelines which by definition are interpretatable to some extent. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I do appreciate your jumping in and diffusing the tension a bit - seems to me he was escalating without reading my responses which isn't a good idea. (Oh, and I'm a "she" not a "he", fwiw.) Tvoz 07:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Óengus I of the Picts

Hello ! A while back you commented on Óengus I of the Picts at peer review. I've tried to address a couple of the points that you raised by adding some background and another map. Just wanted to thank you for your helpful comments. The background won't really be fixed properly until I have written an article that can appear as a {{main}} thing at the top of the section. I've been doing that off and on for months, so it may take a while yet ! Thanks again, Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Lists

Hi ... I removed your nomination of a Featured List from featured article review, as Featured Lists are reviewed at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. Regards, Sandy (Talk) 23:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm in the middle of moving it - and making a mess - give me a minute to finish ... Sandy (Talk) 23:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's listed correctly now, but I've never done a list review before. Regards, Sandy (Talk) 23:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transwiki

No problem. I actually have no idea what I should have done to complete the transwiki procedure, I was already happy that I could do as much as I did :)

But now that we're at it, could you clarify how the copyright status of the text in question should be sorted out? The points unclear for me are:

• The original author wrote the proclamation in Hungarian, in 1956. He died in 1979. Thus his work is under copyright until the end of 2049 (70 yrs) per the Hungarian copyright regulations. But since it is a proclamation, it is by definition something that is intended by the original author to be distributed as widely as possible. Doesn't that negate some of the restrictions on the use of the work?
• What are the rights of the translator? More precisely, what are the requirements on the translator and/or the translation to make it compatible with either Wikipedia or Wikisource?

Thanks, KissL 09:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. In this case I think the matter will be settled, since there's a Hungarian Wikipedian who plans to translate the text to English again and release it under GFDL. Thanks again & happy editing, KissL 20:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of cetaceans

Actually I think most of the maps were done before i joined to project, but yeah, that's a good idea. I will have a look at that and try to get the Arctic and Antarctic species on polar projections. Chris_huh^talk 12:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lei tai

This is what you wrote me for my peer request on the lei tai article:

"I found this article hard to read beacuse of the "lightness" of the prose. Many areas end up just stating a fact and a source rather tham truly being written in prose despite being formatted as a paragragh. All the things on bullet points should be within a paragragh with more details as to why the idea is notable."

Could you please pinpoint some of the areas that you found the most troubling in regards to your well appreciated comments? Thank you. (Ghostexorcist 01:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for the very thorough and perceptive review of bacteria. The article has been much improved by your suggestions. TimVickers 22:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

An editor has made some major changes to this article, could you please return to the FAC and provide some feedback on whether or not these are an improvement? TimVickers 21:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My answers

Hello BirgitteSB. I'm currently in the process of answering the questions on my page, and hope to wrap things up this morning over the next few hours as time permits. I just wanted to let you know that I have every intention of answering them, and will understand completely if you wish to keep this oppose vote in place in light of this personal delay. Thanks for your consideration, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolls

We tolerate trolls too long - and they are the biggest source of busy work and negative productivity on Wikipedia. Personally, I have only called 2 people trolls, and both times I am sure they are. You are probably right that the truth is not a defense to a personal attack; however, we should not tolerate the activities of trolls, and here we are doing just that and wasting our time discussing their BS. --Trödel 03:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the note. We substantially agree. Months of behaviour sometimes requires a response, and I think you can tell from my introduction that I was reluctant. There comes a time when the subtle snide comments and constant stirring of the discussion needs to be identified as such. In that we disagree. Fortunately, obvious trolls can be blocked, and have been blocked indefinately by Jimbo and others. Subtle trolling like Duke's is much more difficult, and by calling attention to it, your respect for me has been diminished - which is regretable. Unfortunately, Duke53's behavior before and after his "refactoring" continue to show a lack of understanding of what AGF means, what the difference is between an editor profering evidence about the location of an IP address and the addition of material to an article. And if you review his edits, I think you'll find I have been plenty patient with his ilk. --Trödel 04:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

As an aside you said "I believe the things we are discussing at Temple garment would be contentious even if the issue had been brought out in the most mild way." I strongly disagree, having been involved with emotionally charged discussions on pages in the Latter Day Saint movement, I have seen controversial topics discussed professionally. The established LDS editors defending Wikipedia's cherished principles against the pro-LDS editors, by explain to them how things work, and support the reverts and neutral edits made by other editrors (regardless of their background). I have even been told re my position on the garment issue that I have sold my soul. So I hope you understand me a little better now. --Trödel 04:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right - while it could have been handled differently - I think the topic is so sensitive to some that it would have denigrated eventually. That is unlike some of the other stuff I was thinking of - those topics just don't have the emotional attachment. --Trödel 21:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your commentary on my talk page

Admins don't have to be asked to delete some comments so I shouldn't have to ask that personal attacks against me be removed. There appears to be some bias by admins here. There are admins already involved who seem to 'conveniently' allow certain editors to do as they wish; if those admins won't 'protect' me I will be forced to do it myself. Be Bold !, you know? I don't find your 'behaivor' [sic] to be all that stellar either, BTW.Duke53 | ^Talk 17:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki-Pump - Thank You!

Thanks for your help to my question on the Wiki-Pump! The guy left no explanation on my talk page, which I would have thought was a reasonable courtesy. I have left a message on his talk page asking why. Best Regads, - Trident13 17:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Non-Latin Username Blocks

BirgitteSB wrote:

There is some dispute as to whether these blocks are supported. There are many active editors who do just fine contributing with non-latin names. Per the discussion here, there seems be support for reccomending for to people creating a username at en.WP to not use non-latin characters. But does not appear to be consensus for blocking people on sight who already have a non-latin account at another Wikimedia wiki. Will you please start taking these non-latin username through Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names in order to better gather opions on the mattter? Thank you for your atttention to this matter.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

As you wish. I should point out that any username blocks I have issued in the past were fully compliant with the username policy as it existed at that time. If the username policy tells me to block non-latin usernames I shall do so, if it does not, I will not. If you object to a policy, change the policy, not the people who follow it. Thanks – Gurch 18:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Like this, you see. I won't be entirely surprised if that's reverted, but as long as it's in there, people blocking non-Latin usernames are doing nothing wrong – Gurch 18:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fact-checking proposal

I have started a proposal at User:Seraphimblade/sandbox/1. Your input is invited and welcomed, please feel free to edit or comment on the new proposal if you would like. Thanks! Seraphimblade 19:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#What is the status on this namechange?

Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention. I don't know why Redux didn't attempt to contact me before assuming that I had acted unilaterally. —David Levy 19:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

BirgitteSB wrote

I seemed to have sparked some criticism of your actions, and to fair I agreed with it, in the above thread and thought it only proper that you should be made aware of it. Since I cannot see that anyone has brought it up with you on your talk page, here is a heads-up.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 22:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks – Gurch 00:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sigs

Kylu asked me to drop these off. In all the examples, the first part of the sig points at your userpage, the second part points at your talkpage. On this page, the second link isn't clickable, yet appears the same as on other pages for consistency.

• BirgitteSB

• BirgitteSB

• BirgitteSB

Of course, feel free to experiment with color and style, etc... JBarrett 03:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:WP:CHU

Well, till a clear-cut policy is formulated in put it to place it will be in a kind of 'purgatory'. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Helping me on the Trodel RfC by showing me policy that I was not aware of, and was more useful than the policies I had listed. TheGreenFaerae 09:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

Thanks for your message; good point. I've clarigied my position at the discussion page, and e-mailed the User to let him or her know what's happening, and to advise a signature change. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For what it's worth

Thanks for your warning on the wikisource Vfd. For what it's worth, I made my defense of it there tonight (now it's morning--I just hit dawn!) and put a notice on the scriptorium. I'm not too enchanted with Pathoschild right now... I would have thought a query or two was in order before such an massive attack. Best regards // FrankB 11:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Young User

So what does that got to do with me???--Cometstyles 17:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I used popups..Thats what Popups do they revert stuff and its not my Fault that parents allow their 8 year old children to use the Computer let alone the Internet..Geez..--Cometstyles 17:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922) - copyvio

Hi,

I have attempted to address the copyvio issues with a replacement article on Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922)/Temp. My explanation (apology) for the copyvio can be found at Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922). What's the next step? Do we need wait for an admin to get involved as the copyvio template suggests or are you willing to remove the copyvio notice and let me replace the current revision with the one at [[[Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922)]]?

--Richard 17:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your sig

I think you should include links to your user page and talk page on your sig. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)|HISTORY} 19:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Username blocking

Hi. Thanks for bringing the request to my attention. I forgot to watchlist the talk page. Xiner (talk, email) 19:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The community as a whole is admonished

Wow! That's out of the box thinking. Well said. ++Lar: t/c 20:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!--BirgitteSB 20:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

I appreciate your support during my recent, successful RfA. Thanks.

Off the subject, is your username a Robert Jordan reference, or is that just coincidence? I've been a little curious. Shimeru 16:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metabolism

Hi there, thanks for your review. I've nominated the article as a FAC now. If you had any further suggestions the nomination page is here. Thanks again! TimVickers 19:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Birgitte. Thanks for all your help and careful reviews. TimVickers 15:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sig and Thanks

Your comments on copyright here were very useful Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Copyright_and_the_use_of_national.2Flocal_government_statistics

I notice others have asked you to include a link to your user page in you sig, I would appriciate it too. I've taken your sig's wiki code and reworded it to include a link
This
<i><font color="#9966FF">[[User:BirgitteSB|Birgitte]]</font><font color="#CC99CC" size="2">SB</font></i>
produces this :- BirgitteSB
Which should look idential to your current sig, but includes a link too. GameKeeper 20:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)