Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy IX
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[edit] Lani
Did anyone else get the general impression that Lani was an early playable character, as she has a very distinctive and brighter look than most of the pther characters in the game, and she has a unique weapon also.
[edit] Editorial rationale
I've just finished a significant rewrite of the Zidane entry. In addition to general copyediting (consistent tense usage, active voice, etc.), I've also attempted to eliminate a good deal of unencyclopedic (IMO) speculation and amateurish litcrit, and greatly abbreviated the paragraph regarding Garland/Terra/the Genomes. In the latter case, I felt that it was a significant divergence from Zidane's own story, and would be more appropriate elsewhere (either the entry on Kuja or Garland, or in the main article's story section). Basically, I've tried to avoid duplicating basic story information that doesn't directly shed light on Zidane himself. I'd like to think the section holds together better now: does anyone else agree/disagree? I'll probably go ahead and adjust the other entries in a similar fashion, unless there's any objection. Also, I replaced the original bulletted list layout with subsections, which I think looks better (lists don't work well with multi-paragraph entries because of indenting issues), and makes it easier to do anchor linking. Is this acceptable to everyone? – Seancdaug 06:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- Good job, though I must admit I learnt a lot about the FF9 story that I'd either forgotten or missed from my own playthrough in the original version of the article! That said, that information should be in the Final Fantasy IX Story article (amazingly it isn't, despite the massive walkthrough of an article that currently exists! =)) >Gamemaker 14:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Beatrix is the hottest Final Fantasy character ever, i think that should go in the article somewhere...
[edit] Cinna and Blank
It says they're "brothers" in the Tantalus section, but are they really? It seemed more like everyone in Tantalus just called him "brother" or "bro", just like they call Baku "boss". Marcus states that "there's only one man we call Bro", and a similar statement for Baku with "boss". "Brother" is probably just an affectionate term, not a blood-related one.
- I have removed it. It can always be added back in witha refernce if it turns out they are blood-brothers. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quina Contradictions
On this page it states under Quina's spot that s/he is thought to be seen in Alexandria castle, and then states that this is actually a different member of the Qu clan. However, in Quina's specific article, it states that s/he actually IS the Qu seen at Alexandria castle at the beginning of the game. Which one is correct? Tbkgm79 03:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Quina is the head chief seen in the beginning of the game at Alexandria Castle.
[edit] Confusing
This article makes little sense to people who know nothing about this game (like myself). Take the Zidane entry, for example. "The Angels of Death were Genomes, biological hosts for the souls of the doomed world of Terra." Okay, so far, so good. I don't know why the souls need "biological hosts" yet, but I assume it will be explained (though I'm already wondering if that's biography article territory). "Unlike other Genomes, however, which were little more than soulless vessels, the Angels of Death were granted a soul as part of Garland's plans to initiate a worldwide catastrophe on the planet Gaia that would make way for the recolonization of the planet by refugees from Terra." Huh? If they're biological vessels for souls, how would they not have souls? Isn't that their raison d'être? "Garland, anticipating that the presence of a soul would cause the otherwise immortal Genome body to wither and die, created Zidane as a replacement for the first Angel of Death, Kuja." Again, why? Does this Kuja not have a soul? Why would any of these Genomes exist if not to be vessles for souls? "Resentful that Garland has already made plans to replace him, Kuja kidnaps Zidane and hides him on Gaia." The Genomes aren't on Gaia? They were on Terra to be put on Gaia to somehow create a catastophe?
If this character can't be explained in a simple biographical entry without someone understanding the way the entire game universe's mechanics work (Genomes, souls needing vessels, Terra, Gaia, Garland, etc.), then I'd say it almost serves no purpose. In the next entry this continues to a degree with things like "eidolons" being referenced as if the reader will know what those are.
IMO, this article, as it is now, seems like little more than a rehash of the plot of the game, only without the context for things that would make it make sense to anyone who doesn't already know about it. All it seems to be doing is taking from the synopsis the parts that relate to the characters in question. If the article needs to exist at all, each entry needs to have the number of proper nouns reduced to a minimum and be condensed to simply talking about who the characters are rather than what they do in the game. Given the way this game seems to work, that may not be possible, and perhaps this article needs to simply be merged back into the main FF9 article in a heavily condensed form. RobertM525 19:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vivi's surname
Vivi's surname has been changed because of an error in spelling, check Vivi's talk page for more info.67.142.130.30 08:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)Eileen67.142.130.30 08:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Future of this Article
Some of you may notice, that I have been slowly attempting to format and improve content for a little while now, and I've now completely merged (with a little help from Deckiller) every single character article into the main list here. Please do not revert the merges without discussion. They are merged here for a variety of reasons. Partly because it is difficult to establish individual notability of any of these characters to warrant their own article, partly because there isn't enough information to warrant their own articles, partly because most of the information of some of these characters is meaningless and trivial plot summary, but mostly because none of these articles contained ANY information beyond their description and their biography/role in the game. For a character to have their own article, there needs to be: a description, a biography/role in the story, developement information, reception and criticism unique to that character, etc. Or as much of that information as we can find. As long as we only have Description and bio/role, then they cannot uphold their individual notability as a seperate article. Even if they do have that information, it needs to be comprehensive enough to warrant a separate article. Should we one day approach that level of information, then we can discuss seperating out the characters.
Aside from content, our biggest problem is that this article is completely unsourced. According to WP:ATTRIBUTION: "All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source." That means that damn near every setence, every comment, every tidbit of information must be sourced. A source can be the official strategy guide, in-game dialogue that's quoted in the references, an interview with someone involved in the process (i.e. an interview with Nomura about a character's design developement), etc. Consider every setence to have the [citation needed] tag. If there's any confusion as to what the end result will look like, take a look at Characters of Final Fantasy VIII where Deckiller has done a fantastic job of orchestrating that article into cohesion. This should be our goal, and I am using this as a template for what I hope to achieve with this article. Also notice that here, only Squall and Rinoa have their own articles, and they have comprehensive developement information.
My word is not law, I don't WP:OWN this article, these are my opinions and my intentions and I welcome other ideas and further discussion. --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 18:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What makes a character "Major"?
We need to reorganize the characters. What makes a character major? What makes a character minor? And what order should they be in? Here's my suggestion:
Other major characters
- Necron
- Garland
- Kuja
- Queen Brahne
- Zorn and Thorn
- The Black Mages
- The Black Waltzes
- Beatrix
- Regent Cid Fabool IX
- Tantalus
Minor characters
- Puck
- Sir Fratley
- Doctor Tot
- Lady Hilda
- Lani
- Soulcage
- The Genomes
- Mikoto
- Bobby Corwen
- Artemicion
- Stiltzkin
This sort of groups like characters together, and I can't for the life of me figure out why the Black Mages were under "Minor" characters seeing as how they are so central in the plot. Another option is that we could sort them alphabetically. What do you guys think? --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 19:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Exception to Gameguide in "The Black Waltzes"
- "In battle, they will not attack Princess Garnet, and when she is the last remaining character they will cast Sleep on her to capture her."
Normally, we do not allow gameguide information as this is considered unencyclopedic. I feel that the above quote is an exception to this rule. It is info about the battle strategy, but it also is relevant to illustrate their orders about not harming Princess Garnet. As such, I feel it is necessary to include to clarify the facts that they can't harm her and that despite that they still battle against the party. Without this info, it is also unclear to the reader how this battle would be possible to lose. I feel that this tidbit is important to make this entry fully clear and encyclopedic, and that this statement is an exception to WP:NOT/Indiscriminate Info item 4: Instruction manuals. I propose we WP:IGNORE the rule and keep this information in the article. --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 19:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
