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Contents 1 Talk Page Archived 2 Order of Main Characters 3 Should Article Be Reformatted? 4 Zack and Aeriths' Relationship 5 Bugenhagen 6 Character merges 7 Minor character bullet list? 8 Zack has a last name? 9 Time to merge

[edit] Talk Page Archived

The previous version of the Final Fantasy VII Characters talk page has been archived in order to shadow the new format of the article. Please feel free to raise any issues you may have with the article before editing the article vastly.Gavin Scott 01:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order of Main Characters

As discussed in the previous version of the talk page the order was set in the order a character joins the party, and in the case of optional characters in the order you can gain them, this is fairly controversial it seems and as such discussion on it will no doubt resurface. The argument itself seemed to stem from whether Areith or Tifa was the cheif-heroine which by the game itself is largely up to the player. As such we have put the characters in order of joining the party, but should we reach an agreement on who should be placed where then I won't personally object to that and will support the decission we make.Gavin Scott 01:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should Article Be Reformatted?

Scanning through the article again I noiticed that the section "main playable characters" only includes playable characters from the original FFVII. As no distinction is made between FFVII and its spin-offs it would seem correct that all characters who can be played should be in the main playable section. However I doubt anyone will be in favour of this, thus perhaps the page should make more distinction about what part of the Compilation it is refering too. For example in the Crisis Core section you might expect it to have a sub-section of main-playable characters and then other main characters and so on.Gavin Scott 01:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zack and Aeriths' Relationship

This was something originally noted by some users on the Japanese message board 2ch, but there seems to be some differences in the way their relationship is presented in the Japanese and English versions. Some things, like when they first meet, in the English version, Aerith calls Zack her first boyfriend, however in the Japanese version, she calls him her first crush. There also seems to be a bit of confusion as to just how long they were in a relationship, and whether or not they were actually "dating", since they apparantly only go on the one date together. However, there are some indications that Zack may have considered her his girlfriend for as much as two years. I edited the article slightly to something a bit more amibiguous. I don't have the means or sources to research it personally, but perhaps it's something that can be looked into and clarified (or perhaps a wait and see approach should be taken, with Crisis Core looming on the horizon, and the possibilities of clarifications and/or retcons). WtW-Suzaku 20:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bugenhagen

His fate has still not been proven/disproven by anyone. It cannot just be stated that he is dead when the narritive never shows this in the actual game. Is it not in the Ultimania? (138.253.205.70 16:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Character merges

I feel a significant number of articles need to be merged into this list, despite their minor appearences in the other compilation pages. They do not have enough out of universe attribution to stand on their own as articles:

• AVALANCHE — the organization and its members can be summed up in a couple paragraphs
• Zack Fair — not a massively significant character. I see zero information about development, popularity, influence, etc.
• Lucrecia Crescent — again, a minor character only apart of backstory
• Professor Hojo — a fairly significant antagonist, but mostly in the context of other characters

The page is really looking good, though; it just needs a lot of in-universe information merged. — Deckiller 20:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Merged all these characters-begin work on DoC tomorrow.Gavin Scott 23:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor character bullet list?

Is it really necessary to have a bulleted list of all the named minor characters in the game? For example, the Characters of Final Fantasy VIII article hardly lists minor characters, except for a few prominant SeeD and other recurring minors. If that section can be chopped, that leaves much more room for more merges and less time needed referencing. — Deckiller 00:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there are certian characters listed who have no part in the story what so ever! For example, Cloud's Father, Elder Bugah, Elder Hargo and on and on. I shall dedicate some attention to this list next.Gavin Scott 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. Also, I'll start working on development and criticism sections when I have the chance; if I don't, then I'll point you to some good sources if you need them. — Deckiller 21:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That would be great, also if you could have a wee look at how the article is formatted. I can't help but feel as I get to say the Shinra characters section it's just too messy...but that may just be me, your feedback would be useful. Thanks. Gavin Scott 21:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Eventually, when we have the Gaia (Final Fantasy VII) article, it will have most of the FF7 articles merged into it (hopefully including Shinra). Then, we can just move all the character bios to this page. That'll help with the formatting. — Deckiller 21:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Good to hear, I have had a look at the Characters of Final Fantasy VIII article, and there is alot of changes which will need to be carried out on this article so that it reaches the same standard. After that I'll move down to FFVI, then V and so on hopefully improving all articles to GA. However, this article will take a little work, and it will be fairly controversial. Gavin Scott 22:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I may sound impatient, but methinks works on Characters of Final Fantasy VIII has stalled due to a stall at Wikipedia:Good article candidates. Once it reaches GA status, we're going to aim for FAC hopefully. By the way, I started the reorganization. — Deckiller 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I did noitice some of your changes, I have merged the Dirge of Cerberus article with this one also. I am going to deleate some of the minor characters just now, to be honest, I have no idea why certain ones are there. Haha. Gavin Scott 22:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zack has a last name?

I don't ever remember hearing he has a last name...--24.109.218.172 00:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It was revealed in Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Tetsuya Normura said the name is supposed to be an allusion to "fair weather", to work as a pun with "Cloud" (inclement or stormy weather). Neat, huh? Nall 01:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time to merge

Like what has happened with other FFs, it's time to merge all characters into this article. Mrmoocow 06:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It might be difficult to do so with FF7, because of all the (pointless, ridiculous, and absolutely sickening) spin-offs making up the so-called "compilation of Final Fantasy VII" giving the characters with more to talk about. Ideally, I'd like to see all these poorly developed and cliche characters in one article myself, but it might end up making the page quite long, sadly. Yes, I dislike FF7 :)

The articles I think can be merged into this list are Shinra (characters), the Turks, Jenova, and pretty much all but the playable characters and Sephiroth. — Deckiller 00:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I dislike FF7 too... well, not really. It's not my favourite FF, I much prefer FFIX and FFVI. But it is better than FFVIII... anyway, I see where you're coming from. However, the way to do it is strip off all redundant, unneccessary, or just downright removable information from each of the characters, and once small enough, merge. Mrmoocow 06:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Some of those Compilation of FFVII characters can probably either be removed or just mentioned once in their respective game's articles in the Plot and setting>Characters section. Kariteh 07:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean my Shinra(Characters)?Gavin Scott 16:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The character section of the Shinra article. The rest of the article can probably be merged into a World of Final Fantasy VII article that would encompass Materia, Midgar, Timeline, Terms, etc. — Deckiller 20:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes that seems reasonable, I would love to help more as I said I would but Im really pressed for time and any large scale additions I made would not be up to standard, I will however, merge Shinra when I can. Gavin Scott 20:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)