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[edit] Sniper Wolf

In MGS she talks about being saved by Big Boss, but i'm pretty sure she never states (nor does anyone else) that she served at Outer Heaven. I may have missed something though. (The Bread 11:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

It'll probably be in Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops. The Haunted Angel 00:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Metal Gear (series) → Metal Gear … Rationale: Unneeded disambiguation page. I think it's pretty obvious that anyone who searches for Metal Gear on wikipedia is looking for info about the game. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Metal Gear (series). Jonny2x4 00:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved this page to Metal Gear (series) because many of the inbound links were for the first game, Metal Gear, instead of the series as a whole, and a few were for the Metal Gear weapon itself. When you've got two common alternate possibilities, that's when you use a full dab page (instead of a notice at the top of the page). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Counted as oppose, therefore not moved. —Nightst a llion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 09:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a LOT of stuff straight out of the manual towards the bottom. I'd suggest whoever put it there clean it up... --Alexwcovington 08:05, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This whole artical needs an overhaul, I will try to do some improvments later omegamogo 11:29, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I just fixed a bunch of stuff on the article. Most notable is my extension of the MGS2 section. I wasn't completely sure if it should be, or how much. Even with the way it is now, I'm not completely happy with how it looks. Of course anyone's welcome to extend the article some more.--FDIS 12:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Gear book...

I have (or had) a book some years ago, that was based on the first Metal Gear NES game. I haven't played through the game myself, but it reads very much like a story-style walkthrough (in a similar vein to the first DooM novel). It also lists occasional gameplay hints. There was at least one other book from the same publishers, based on the Shadow Warriors/Ninja Gaiden game on NES. Anyone have the Metal Gear one and care to mention it in the article?

Oh man, I had one of those. I had the Ninja Gaiden one too. There was also a Castlevania one I think. I remember some bits but I don't have the book handy at the moment... --Golbez 08:47, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Metal Gear book...

The book you're referring too is the "Worlds of Power" novelization written by Alexander Frost. It's based more or less on Konami of America's inaccurate "interpretation" of the first game's storyline (as depicted on the instruction manual), which means that Vermon CaTaffy is the villain (as opposed to Big Boss in the actual game's narrative). Even at that, it takes even more liberties with the plot (FOXHOUND becomes the "Snake Men") and reveals Solid Snake's real name to be "Justin Halley" (a revelation made dated by Metal Gear Solid). It's definitely non-canon.

There was also a series of Metal Gear Solid Drama CDs released in Japan.

[edit] Chinaman, Old Boy (MGS2)

I'm familiar with these characters, however they were cut from the game at a fairly early stage of production (Chinaman's abilities merged into Vamp, for example). I'm curious as to where in MGS2 itself we're told about them; they weren't discussed in story segments, and I don't recall them being mentioned in the option CODEC conversations, although I didn't listen to all of those. Socka tume 19:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

While neither, Chinaman nor Old Boy are mentioned in the actual game, in the version of the script featured in The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 (2002, PlayStation 2), they're mentioned on scene P010_06_M02 (Vamp encounter 6/Movie demo 2)

Images of Dead Cell members stumbling around on a battlefield. Vamp carries a wounded in his arms. The deaths of Chinaman and the Old Boy.

Thanks, that's canon enough for me. Socka tume 20:58, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MGS4

Kojima just released details on MGS4. A big septych of the major characters has been shown, with returning characters being Snake, Raiden (holding, presumably, Olga's baby), Vamp, Meryl, Otacon, and Revolver Ocelot, as well as Big Boss (included figuratively, perhaps), and a woman in a cloak (not sure, it looks a bit like Fortune). --YoungFreud 23:25, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Someone added it to Metal Gear Solid 4 when Famitsu scooped it a few weeks ago. Socka tume 19:10, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Sears

Though Jack was trained by Solidus Snake, it is also stated that so were many other children. This implies he did not adopt the child officially and no other referene is made to him sharing Solidus' Name. Also George Sears would seem more like a Public Name developed for use for the president George Sears by the Patriots! Therefore why is "Jack Sears" listed as a possible future member of Philanthropy -- The Pain

Thanks for pointing this out; I would have missed it otherwise. I'm deleting all of the "Possible Future Operatives" since it's nothing but speculation. --DoubleCross 05:14, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Raiden doesn't have full name. He's simply named Jack, period. I heard that in the early drafts of the MGS2, Raiden's full name was something like "Jack Braningan" or "Raiden Braningan", but I don't believe it's supposed to be canonical either way (or else, it would've been mentioned in the games.) Jonny2x4 22:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

The very first Metal Gear fansite to cover the full series and set the standard for all fansites to come after it. doesn't really ring of NPOV, now does it? --Threatis 04:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Sort of fixed. --FDIS 04:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFDed article merged with this one

Meme gene scene had an AFD debate that failed to get consensus for deletion. As an editor, I've merged the article with this one instead. I've moved the discussion from its talk page here. If anyone wants to look at the article before it was redirected, here it is. Johnleemk | Talk 12:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From original talk

This article strikes me as a little dubious. There's no source for this information. It it a phrase common in some community? Is it something from the game designers? Is it just something one guy made up that sounded interesting? From the content, I'd guess the latter. --William Pietri 12:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm no expert on the matter, but i've read a few interviews with the games creator, and have also participated in multiple online discusion forums about the games in question, and i've never heard the 'Meme Gene Scene' idea put forth. It is an interesting little pnumonic... but at best it would be a backronym. The game producers don't often put out definitive statements about what the MGS games 'mean'. And summing each game up in one word is definantly not in their style. That, and 'scene' is really stretching it.Bigmacd24 22:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I got here through the AfD discussion, and while I don't feel qualified to vote on the matter there, I am almost sure I've heard this before. I want to say it was from an interview with Kojima explaining the E3 2003 trailer for MGS3. I say this, of course, with no authority. Even if it is factually correct, the thing is a little bit crufty... Tom Lillis 09:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Gear Solid (PSP)

This is not a metal gear acid game, it is a metal gear solid game for psp that is currently in develpment, see this externeal link IGN news article on MGS:PSP as well as the article Metal Gear Solid (PSP) please do not change it to acid, that belongs in non-canon spinoffs and is already listed. Solidusspriggan 09:22, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

FYI its called MGS:Portable Ops.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 13:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MGS3

Technically a prequel, isn't it? It's listed as a sequel in the "the Games" section.

It is a prequel in game-history but a sequel in release dates.

[edit] Meme-Gene-Scene

I am researching info on the Meme Gene Scene themes of the MGS Series. I wonder if anyone could give me some ideas on where to find some information on these concepts as they relate to the games. The research is going to a report I am doing for school, but if it is sufficient I may add it as some extra details for the Metal Gear Solid articles. Thank you for any help you are willing to offer.
Mask 15:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] La-li-lu-le-lo

What is this bullshit about hearing receptors? I have never heard this by anybody official, in fact the only place I ever heard of it was on a fan bbs. I'm removing it, unless someone can provide official source for it.--FDIS 20:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Games in the series

The chronological order of the games is very messed up. Someone should fix it. It is at the bottom of the page.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 13:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Non-canonical" games

It doesn't seem to be explained why Ghost Babel and Acid are "non-canon". I don't think it's safe to make that judgment unless those games explicitly contradict the main series storyline, and if they do, it should probably be explained why. The Ghost Babel article also states that the game is non-canonical and set outside the main MGS continuity, but gives no justification why. -- Asterphage 23:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a quote from Ryan Payton about Ghost Babel and MGA1+2.

Ghost Babel and the Acid games were created in something we call the "parallel universe" of MGS. This gives directors like Shinta Nojiri more freedom in creating exciting scenarios for Snake to overcome. I'm toying with the idea of doing Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2, featuring the games from the parallel universe. I even joke around the office that I'll name it Nojiri Saga Vol. 1.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/mgs3subsistence/news.html?sid=6145169 Jonny2x4 04:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This page lacks any sources. I'm simply adding sources that I know. If anyone wants to change them to better ones, or remove them, feel free to do so. 75.4.16.114 06:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You're linking a fansite that is hardly a reliable source. Please stop. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to know how some of my citations have been linked to an unreliable source. An example, from this article: "In 2004, mobile phone ports of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 based on the original MSX2 versions were released in Japan; they feature (among other changes) new game modes and items."

This needs a source, despite me, as a fan, knowing that it is true. So I find one source which states this fact, within two pages:

thesnakesoup.org/?section=mg2&content=main#cell thesnakesoup.org/?section=mg&content=main#cell

These pages state that the cellphone versions are based on the MSX2 games, released in Japan, and state the additonal features. There are other sources that verify this as well. 75.4.16.114 06:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Then use the other sources. thesnakesoup.org isn't a reliable source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Once again, I ask, how is it not? 75.4.16.114 06:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

This appears to be a personal fansite, which is called out as non-kosher in WP:RS#Evaluating reliability. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal website it may be, but WP:RS#Evaluating reliability says:

At the other end of the reliability scale lie personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, and Usenet posts, which are typically not acceptable as sources.

Which means that my citations typically are "not Kosher." However, in this case, the source clearly states the facts that need to be cited in this article that has no citations at all. 75.4.16.114 06:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, allowing a minor fansite to advertise itself does not accomplish the goal of getting this article cited to reliable sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

If you believe I run that website, you are mistaken. The website opened rather recently, and I have found it filled with information that can be used as a source for certain uncitied facts in this and other related articles. I believe I'm helping our policy of Wikipedia:Citing_sources by making sure that: 1) Nobody challenges certain facts and 2) to encourage further citations. I have providied some citations I have no found on any site but The Snake Soup, in regards to the Game.com port. 75.4.16.114 06:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not a reliable source, so we can't use it as a source. Additionally, these citations amount to advertising for a minor, apparently-new fansite. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It would typically not be reliable. In addition, the website has been up since 2003, but closed down early this year and opened up last week. As for your claims for advertising, any citations can be considered advertisements. There are links to several fansites under External Links / Unofficial Sites which was not used to cite anything in this article, thus, clearly more subject to "self-advertising" than my citations, which were used to prove certain facts in this article. 75.4.16.114 06:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It's still a minor fansite. We can't trust it for any claims that aren't substantiated by reliable sources, and for those claims that are substantiated by reliable sources, we should just use the reliable sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Then, technically speaking, I can delete at least 75% of this article, on the basis of there being no sources at all, because some facts can only be proved by "minor fansites" including a few listed below for purposes that are somehow non-advertising. 75.4.16.114 06:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Anything that can't be sourced to a reliable source or uncontroversial observation of the games themselves should probably be removed, yes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a shame, due to the basis of the source being unreliable due to it being labeled as "personal," which should be overlooked on rare occassions (which the word, "typically," suggests) such as this one.

In addition, should I delete the unofficial links below? They all are categorized in the same bin as The Snake Soup - personal sites. 75.4.16.114 06:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal sites are notoriously unreliable. And I already got rid of all the fansites, again. I clean them out every few weeks or so. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand your stand on this belief in regards to fansites as reliable sources, but there are certain fansites that are actually, truly, reliable. I find the Snake Soup to be reliable on all but some editorials, which are obviously opinionated, in addition to metalgearsolid.org, known as THE Unofficial Site. Both sites were recognized by Konami. Snake Soup even was featured in an issue of the Official PlayStation magazine a year ago. Despite both sites being "personal," they still state facts besides their articles and messageboards. The Game.com thing is real - I saw a video of it. However, I can't cite myself as a source. The snake soup has a page in regards to it. I have found other sources on non-personal sites, but they casually mention it being a posibility. The Snake Soup actually has screenshots from the video I have seen. 75.4.16.114 07:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to readd the citation for the Game.com part of this article. This is not out of any disregard to your stand, and if you still feel that it should absolutely be removed, then feel free to do so again, but mention why, especially with the source being pretty reliable despte it being a "personal site." 75.4.16.114 07:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I have re-added it. Once again, you may remove it if yous till feel that it must be taken off. I still believe that this is one of those rare instances where a personal site has to be used as a source, due to it containing more than a mere mention. I can understand you contesting to me posting several citations to this source due to it being a fansite, but allowing a couple should not be a big deal, unless it is to prove something that is actually false or has no truth behind it (ie: "Nintendo is homosexual" claims on X-Box and Sony fansites). 75.4.16.114 07:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that The Snake Soup even had it's own Wikipedia article. While I do not feel that fansites such as the Snake Soup should have a Wiki article about them, the fact that one was made and mirrored onto About.com [1] should just start to show it's significance. Again, feel free to remove my citation if you must... 75.4.16.114 09:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I could create a Wikipedia article about my personal site, and if it lived long enough, About.com would automatically mirror it. That wouldn't lend my site any more credibility. The fact that there was an article, but there no longer is an article tends to show that the site is not considered noteworthy (and got AfD-ed). The ultimate reality is that any facts on a fan site should show up on a more credible site (like Kojima's blog or a game news site), or in a something like a magazine or newspaper article. That other place is really the one that should be cited. Otherwise it's really no more credible than me saying, "I heard back in the 80s that Tiger Electronics was going to do an LCD handheld Metal Gear game", Photoshopping a "prototype", and then having that appear later in this article, referencing my site. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 16:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

And furthermore, the "citation" even says that it might be a hoax. As someone who works with Photoshop for a living, those screens wouldn't be nearly as tough to fake as the writer would seem to think. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 16:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You said: "The ultimate reality is that any facts on a fan site should show up on a more credible site (like Kojima's blog or a game news site), or in a something like a magazine or newspaper article. That other place is really the one that should be cited." "That other place"? 75.4.21.82 06:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The reputable sites would be "that other place." For example, if IGN or Gamespot had an article that confirmed the Game.com rumour (they don't), you'd cite IGN or Gamespot. You wouldn't cite the fan site, you'd cite the game news site. Anything you find on a fan site might be useful for looking for more info, but it is not reliable without other confirmation. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 15:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I've gone through a bit, adding and cleaning up references (and asking for some). I've only done to about the end of the "Film" section though. --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 17:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'm fine with that. 75.4.21.82 06:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.thesnakesoup.org/?section=articles&content=wiki Hydra150 16:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

that guy is right. wikipedia doesnt put its foot down anywhere but unreliable sites and the source is (snake soup) valid. why discriminate? 75.43.122.97 01:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with people like A Man in Black? Just because thesnakesoup.org isn't official site or anything in the likes of high authority, doesn't mean their information is false. Maybe, if you try and confirm their info yourself, you will be proven how bad you are judging fansites. Has it ever occured to somebody that maybe sites like IGN, gamefaqs or gamespot may have false information? [65.94.16.249]

Ravi Singh says on The Snake Soup: "A Man In Black isn't stupid or anything. Fuck, with all the stupid shit people try to put into articles on Wikipedia, it's no surprise people like A Man In Black doesn't trust fansites." So really, even he knows why fansites are not considered as reliable because most of them are fans being fans while others like Snake Soup are rarely found.

75.19.63.116 13:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

ManInBl?ck, stop being such a dick. TheSnakeSoup is a highly reliable source and I can confirm all of the information I have read so far, being a big Metal Gear fan. Why the hell would anyone make a fan site and put bad information on it on purpose? What would be the point? So that fans of a game can read about stuff they would have already known not to be true?

[edit] Family

I'm gonna post this here as no-one reads the discussion for Template:Metal Gear character.

I reckon we should add a family coloum to the info-box, in theory it would stop people removing content about the characters relatives. Lots of the characters are related (either by blood or by name)

Any thoughts people

(The Bread 04:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

That would be a mess. This infobox is already overlarge, and relations in this series (which are already convoluted) are better handled in the text when they're relevant. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 10:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with AMiB. Also note: characters related by name are fairly apparent ;) --Le Scoopertemp [tk] 14:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This

I think this line is pretty fishy

Metal Gear Solid retcons the storyline of the early games, by revealing Solid Snake's heritage as a genetic clone of Big Boss,

It doesn't exactly retcon, Snake knows he's Big Boss' son at the start of MGS, but he didn't know that he was a clone i'm gonna change it

(The Bread 04:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC))

Snake being related to Big Boss is never mentioned until Metal Gear Solid. So yes, it retcons.

- 75.24.239.189 05:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A retcon is if they said, Snake's father was a friend of Big Boss' in MG2, and then in MGS they stated that Snake was a clone of Big Boss without explaining the former friend link. What happens in MGS is that in MG2 Big Boss tells Snake he is his father, but then in MGS Snake finds out that Big Boss is his father in some ways, but in reality he a clone

†he Bread 05:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I said "related" as in, Big Boss doesn't even mention Snake being his "son" in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. I'm speaking on behalf of the original Japanese release, the fan-translated English version, and all versions of the "re-release" in Subsistence. Thus, since Metal Gear Solid claims that Big Boss told Snake of their relationship in Zanzibarland, which he does not in any way do in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, it's a retcon.

- 75.24.239.189 22:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metal Gear games in chronological order

I added this section after reading the "Time periods of GTA games" in the Grand Theft Auto article. I felt the article for the Metal Gear series deserved a section devoted to citing the time periods of the official canonical games in the series, considering all the "non-canonical sequels and spin-offs." Feel free to alter or delete this section if you feel it doesn't belong or wastes space in an otherwise large article. DT29 20 September 2006

[edit] Torture Test

They saying "Ocelot in Metal Gear Solid telling the player that he'll know if the player is using an auto-fire controller during the torture test. He isn't bluffing, for if auto-fire is used, the life gauge will immediately empty" is incorrect. as I have personally used an auto-fire controller for the test and nothing happened (except the life guage being filled as expected from an auto-fire controller). Im gonna change this if noones gonna tell me otherwise

[edit] Solid Snake is Old Snake

I deleted the first of the supposed three possibilities of who the younger Snake could be in the trailer, and I'm going to add another. Old Snake is Solid Snake, and this is shown on a wallpaper given out by Kojima Productions themselves! This is shown here: http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/snake_1024.jpg. I'm adding another possibility because the Young Snake could possibly be the result of Snake's new Octocamo, as Snake's gray hair can be seen out of the mask clearly in the trailer before they show the face of Young Snake.

[edit] Breaking the fourth wall

If the following can be verified, then it fits the article:

Breaking the fourth wall

In nearly all of the Metal Gear games there has been contact (noticeable or not) with the player. This has made the Metal Gear series somewhat unique in video game history. Examples of breaking the fourth wall include:

Big Boss calling Solid Snake in Metal Gear after his unmasking as the leader of Outer Heaven telling him to stop the operation and switch off the MSX. This trick was also repeated in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty when the Colonel says to turn off the game console.
Ocelot in Metal Gear Solid telling the player that he'll know if the player is using an auto-fire controller during the torture test. He isn't bluffing, for if the game detects an impossible number of button inputs, Snake's Life Gauge will immediately empty (some versions of the game may or may not detect rapid-fire, though).
Dr. Drago Pettrovich Madnar's remark in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that Dr. Kio Marv was an avid video game fan and played on a MSX, which Solid Snake recognises is "the legendary worldwide computer", adding humourously that apparently "some freaks still use it today". This is also recognised at the end of the game when Colonel Campbell (in possession of an MSX cartridge that Marv hid his secrets in, which Snake found) uses the cartridge in an old MSX he has. The secret is Marv's signature on the boot screen of the system (mirrored as "VRAM 01K" instead of KIO MARV) when Campbell loads it.
Parts of Psycho Mantis's speech to Solid Snake in Metal Gear Solid also break the fourth wall. In both the original PlayStation version and the GameCube remake, Mantis reads the player's memory card and tells the player how well he or she has played the game in a variety of ways. Mantis also comments on other Konami games if their respective save files are detected on the player's memory card. He then asks the player to put the controller on the floor and proceeds to make it 'move', as if through telekinetic power, using the controller's vibration function. Directly after Mantis asks you to put down the controller, Solid Snake turns to the camera and assuringly nods at you.
Some of the Colonel's confused words of wisdom to Raiden after the infection of GW with Emma Emmerich's virus can also be interpreted as advice to the player.
After Raiden reencounters Solid Snake inside Arsenal Gear, Snake tells him that he has infinite ammo and points at his bandanna, referencing the Infinite Bandanna item from the first Metal Gear Solid. This could also hint that the ending in which Meryl does not die (in Metal Gear Solid) is the canonical ending, as the player would receive the Infinite Bandanna if they've managed to save Meryl.
In Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, the player must defeat The Boss and finish the game in order to receive The Boss' "Patriot Pistol" as an additional bonus item at the beginning of the next playthrough. If Snake contacts Sigint, his weapons and technology specialist, during the next playthrough whilst holding the Patriot Pistol, Sigint will ask how Snake came into possession of The Boss' Patriot Pistol if she is still alive and currently using it, herself. Snake will simply tell Sigint that he "Worries too much about the details."

Regards Loudenvier 12:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portable Ops - part of MGS3

You should not list Portable Ops as a stand alone installment in the cannon. It uses the MGS3 game engine and as such should be classified as an addition to that installment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.161.203.18 (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Game.com

Please include the game.com fact. It is noteworthy of having it. The info is real. Look at the game.com article here at wikipedia. It talks about Metal Gear being planned on it.

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