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Contents 1 Quarl's new signature 2 My signature 3 foocasting 4 Welcome to Esperanza! 5 My User Page 6 I have reported you: 7 Award 8 Welcome to Esperanza! 9 Welcome! 10 hola (regarding article Karl) 11 Pansexuality 12 Re:Sig 13 Moving articles on afd 14 OpenGCL 15 Organic certification and product certification 16 Electronic engineering certification 17 WP:RFA/Sceptre 18 Clustered hosting redirect 19 WP:RFA/Rogerd 20 Calculator gaming 21 RE: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Velvet_Cacoon 22 The Hacker Test 23 user boxes 24 Closing AFDs 25 Thank you! 26 WP:RFA/Aecis 27 Adding categories 28 MIDI controller 29 WCityMike signature 30 I can see you 31 Too many boilerplates 32 Curious 33 Dance dance revolution supernova (AfD discussion) 34 Template:badbio 35 signature 36 Closing AFDs as Keep 37 User:In Name And Blood 38 Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide 39 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dayboy 40 V7ndotcom Elursrebmem Deletion 41 WP:RFA/NoSeptember 42 Your JS toolset 43 DADA 44 CCIE page 45 WP:RFA/JzG 46 RE: John locke sockpuppetry 47 Carlos E. Nemer (AfD discussion) 48 Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates 49 Gender-neutral pronouns 50 List of years in art 51 Crisis (band) speedy tagging 52 List of state leaders in 18 BC 53 WP:RFA/Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 54 ZuuP 55 Date and Time Signature 56 Andy Davidson-Lee (AfD discussion) 57 WikiProject Computer science 58 Lee Zalben (AfD discussion) 59 WP:RFA/Chairboy 60 Your sig script 61 Your recent alterations to {{oldafdfull}} 62 Jay Saenz (AfD discussion) 63 Maine East Scholastic Bowl Team (AfD discussion) 64 Halestorm/Lzzy Hale

Quarl's new signature

Happy New Year! Your new signature with ISO 8601 formatted date & time is nice :) Could You tell me how to use expressions like current year, month, etc. in a customized signature? — Anrie Nord 16:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately you can't substitute templates in the standard Wikipedia ~~~~ signature, so it's basically impossible using that. Also there is no builtin {{CURRENTDAY2}}, so it wouldn't work to subst it anyway. Therefore the solution is Javascript :) Previously I replaced the signature toolbar button to insert the signature, but now I found a better way: User:Quarl/advanced_sig.js (which see) is a user script that replaces ~~~~ with a nice ISO 8601 signature. I see that you are a JS-3 so you should have no problem hacking on it :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-05 05:35Z

Thanks for the tips! I have done the new signature based on your JS functions. I was surprised by a number of features you impelement in JavaScript for Wikipedia. — Anrie Nord 2006-01-12 03:22Z

My signature

Thanks for the tip. However, I intend to leave my signature the way it is. It is not meant to be distracting, or to catch my own attention (although it certainly does), but is meant to be a homage to the days of yesteryear playing MUDs via telnet :-) As always, your civility is appreciated. Search4Lancer 16:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

foocasting

There is no practical limit to the number of sub-trivial foocasting entries, I reckon, so what say we take the bold step of creating an article for Podcasting genres so in future we can simply redirect and save faffing about on AfD? - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 19:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea to me. For the record, I'm not a podcast freak - I've never even seen/watched a podcast (maybe I should) nor own an iPod or other video-playing mobile device. While I do think the articles about specific podcasts are cruft, I believe these "genres" need to be documented. Cheers —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-05 20:56Z

Welcome to Esperanza!

➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

My User Page

I don't feel that users such as yourself and TonySt are fully qualified to issue warnings ....warnings should only be issued by administrators. If you think that I'm wrong, please cite a specific Wikipedia policy that allows such things to be issued.

It's not vandalism if it is my user page....if I don't think its fair its my right. I will only reinstate such things if an administrator reinstates it. --James Stanley Barr 20:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: Changing my mind....I've decided after thinking...that it is not worth it to argue. Reinstated and archiving. --James Stanley Barr 20:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I have reported you:

I found that your assuming, critical nature was deeply offensive to me, and I have reported you to the public inquiries address. The way you assumed I was pretending to be multiple people, when I was only trying to put a timestamp on my post, is unacceptable. I also found that you were unfair closing the vote for deletion so soon. I will now be encouraging people in my community, as well as the online community, not to go onto Wikipedia because of the level of disrespect its members show to the public.

Paaerduag

Paaerduag, I'm not sure who you reported me to, but I welcome any correction if I've misbehaved. As I already said on AFD/Brisbane Grammar School, I wasn't accusing you of bad-faith puppetry; I was asking you not to accuse us of puppetry. As to closing the AFD you must have misunderstood, because I did not close it; I merely recommended "speedy keep". Cheers, —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-07 01:12Z

Award

Welcome to Esperanza!

--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hi Quarl - I saw that you added yourself to Wikipedia:WikiProject Game theory. Let me be the first to welcome you to the project. We need all the the help we can get! :) If you have any questions or need anything, please let me know. Feel free to dive right into the project. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 21:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

hola (regarding article Karl)

what was wrong with "and architect of his reelection campaign" here? I see why the marx thing won't work, but... Yameen? 22:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

It had scare quotes and was thus a sarcastic or non-NPOV comment. There's no point having an edit war in a disambig page and that detail is not necessary in a disambig page anyway -- just talk about it in the main article. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-08 10:02Z

Pansexuality

Whats your reasoning that this article is merged with Pangender? Gender and sexuality are to seperate things --Prof Jolly 12:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I explained in Talk:Pangender. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 01:21Z

Re:Sig

Hi DaGizza, your signature is very colorful and cool. It is a little distracting however since it is so "highlighted". Have you considered having it stand out less? To make it stand out just for your own ease of finding your comments you can use User:HorsePunchKid's technique of span tags; see also User:Quarl/advanced_sig.js for a way to automate that. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 08:32Z

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused. In your message you said that you wanted my signature to stand out less. But HorsePunchKid's guide is to make signatures stand out. What exactly do you want? I can just remove the highlight. Keep in mind that many other users have the highlight, most notably User:BD2412. DaGizza ^Chat 09:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

HorsePunchKid's method is a way to make your own signature stand out for yourself only -- only you see the highlight. For example, I see "Quarl" highlighted, but you don't. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 19:20Z

I have removed the highlight. DaGizza ^{Chat (c)} 21:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

 :) By the way, you could make your signature shorter and easier to click on by moving the font declarations inside the link, like this:

[[User:DaGizza|<b><font color="darkblue"> D</font><font color="teal">a</font><font color="lightblue">Gizza</font></b>]]

Moving articles on afd

When you move an article that's on afd, could you please create a redirect from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NewTitle to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OldTitle instead of moving the afd discussion? My bot can account for redirected afd discussions automatically, but it can't detect moved ones, and there isn't really an easy way to make it do so. —Cryptic (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 19:18Z

OpenGCL

Google? I thought this was a serious encyclopedia.

Google is not a research tool. It simply shows what is published on the internet.

OpenInfo has not published any press releases, however has quietly gotten contracts with large municipalities (i.e. cities) in Ontario, Canada, to provide them with GIS software. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.154.136.7 (talk • contribs).

Please discuss the deletion of the OpenGCL article in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpenGCL. This is a serious encyclopedia, that is why we require verifiability of all entries. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 21:48Z

Organic certification and product certification

Hi. I noticed you were changing "certification" in some organic food-related articles to "product certification". I reverted one edit, in organic certification, but didn't want to trail you changing things back. And maybe I'm wrong. ;) Thing is, in organic certification, it is the producer that's being certified, not the product. The certifiying body certifies a farm or food processor or restaurant, even, and then that business produces products which are certified organic. Perhaps it's a usage thing, but it doesn't seem correct to me to call it that certification process product certification... Also, in the US and Canada, at least, the final product is not formally certified by any sort of testing, the certification only covers the production process, the final "certified organic" product is simply what a certifed company produces (I'm less familiar with the EU, where I believe the actual products have to meet standards)... --Tsavage 06:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem, any other articles that need changing back? I've been changing a lot of articles, not targetting organic certification. I guess I didn't read that one close enough. certification et al is a mess that I'm merging and refactoring, mainly into professional certification, product certification. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 06:31Z

I added a paragraph to product certification. I think "producer certification" and "product certification" are pretty much the same thing. What do you think? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 06:42Z

Yes, that seems fine. In the US organic regs, "certification" is the formal term for producers, and "accreditation" for the "certifying agency" (i.e. the gov accredits the agency, the agency certifies the producer). Beyond that, your para seems fine, I don't think there's anything more formal than that. And, yeah, the end result of the whole thing is...product certification. I did change back the one other instance I saw, in National Organic Program, because that "certification" refers to the NOP cert process specifically (not general "product certification"). Thanks. --Tsavage 06:54, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, great. Thanks! —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 07:06Z

Electronic engineering certification

I am pretty sure that the statement you added about the role of IEEE in certification is not accurate. They may offer continuing education that may be required for renewal, but I don't think they do certification anywhere. In the USA, engineers and many other professionals and technicians are licensed by individual states. Some states may require certification by non-governmental organizations for some fields, but I don't think that is the case for engineering. In most if not all states, engineers are licensed after submitting evidence of education and work experience and passing an exam. Non-governmental organizations may play a role in the exam process, but I believe state government agencies are primarily responsible. -C J Cowie 15:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? If you are talking about Electrical engineering, all I did was change "certification" to "professional certification". So if that sentence is inaccurate, it was there already. I'm pretty sure disambiguating cert. to prof. cert. is correct. Similar change with Certified Software Development Professional. As you can see from just from the title of that article it is pretty clear that IEEE performs professional certification. Are you sure you're not confusing licensure (mandatory to legally practice a profession) and professional certification (not legally required) ? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 19:17Z

I am talking about Electronics engineering#Chartered or certified engineers. That section seems to be mostly talking about licensure. The section may not properly distinguish between certification and licensure. The whole article considerably overlaps the Electrical engineering article. There are a lot of specialty societies within the IEEE. There may be a few specialty certifications offered by those societies, but there are not certifications for the overall profession or most specialties. In the USA, my state (Wisconsin) issues one license for "Professional Engineer" without even indicating the major fields: electrical, mechanical, civil etc. The term "registered professional engineer" is also used. I think other states have similar licensing. The Wikipedia articles on electrical engineering, mechanical engineering etc. should all probably have similar sections describing USA licensing. -C J Cowie 14:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Yes, that article wasn't distinguishing, e.g. the advantages of certification vary depending upon location... in the United States and Canada "only a licensed engineer . How does it look now? Feel free to change it. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 19:50Z

That is better. I have been finding various information scattered around:

• Professional Engineer
• Chartered engineer
• European Engineer
• National Society of Professional Engineers
• Washington accord

I am still looking into things and thinking about what should be done. -C J Cowie 20:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I copied this section to my talk page for reference in case you want to delete it here. --C J Cowie 20:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

What I would do is merge the short and related articles, for example Chartered engineer and European Engineer. :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 20:37Z

WP:RFA/Sceptre

Clustered hosting redirect

Hiya. I disagree with the redirect from clustered hosting to virtual private server. While the clustered hosting article may be in copyright violation of Concentric's website (I haven't looked at it myself), the concept itself is very much distinct from virtual private hosting and I believe it is important enough to deserve its own page. Concentric is not the only vendor to provide clustered hosting services, but from what I understand it is the only company to have patented an instance of it. I'd be willing to rewrite the article or sections as needed to avoid copyright questions. Thankya. Cheers. !mAtt™ 01:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair. I will restore the previous version and hope you will work on it. Thanks for the message, cheers —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 01:17Z

WP:RFA/Rogerd

Calculator gaming

Your timing was excellent. Rotten day at work, and I just got home to see your note and the page. Thanks for the laugh. (And the page looks good too.) Cheers. --Bookandcoffee 03:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Velvet_Cacoon

I question that the result of the debate was "Keep". I left a message on Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Velvet_Cacoon. Could you respond to that? Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 01:45Z

I have changed the result from keep to no consensus, which would default to keep anyways. But thanks for pointing that out. --Ichiro 05:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 07:13Z

The Hacker Test

Is there anything good about the Hacker Test in 2006? Timothy Clemans 07:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. I never heard of the hacker test until today. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-13 08:01Z

user boxes

responded on my talk page Segv11 ^{(talk/contribs)} 09:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:segv11.

Closing AFDs

Hi Mathwiz2020, I noticed you speedy-deleted some articles and commented on the AFD without closing them. I closed the ones I saw. Remember to close :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-14 01:49Z

Sorry about that - I'll remember to close them in the future! --M@thwiz2020 01:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Cheers :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-14 06:36Z

Thank you!

Thanks for supporting me on my Rfa, Quarl! I appreciate your trust. The puppy is now an Admin (final tally 58/7/2) Please let me know if there is anything I can ever do to assist you. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Aecis

I don't have a fancy layout like other new admins, but I just want to thank you for your support at my RfA. It passed 47/3/1, so I have officially been promoted. I hope I won't let you down. If I'm not doing something properly, please tell me. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 21:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Adding categories

With an edit summary of raining cats made me laugh out loud. --GraemeL ^(talk) 01:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

MIDI controller

I see you've added a tag to MIDI controller which says the article is too technical. I rewrote most of the MIDI controller article and am curious about the specifics of what you mean. Is only the second sense of MIDI controller too technical? I don't really see anything wrong with the first sense.

On the talk page, it says no general definition of MIDI controller is given. Part of the problem with this article is that it has two distinct meanings, although they are related. I see that you are self-described as a mergist. As such, how would you recommend writing a general definition when the term really has two meanings? To be honest, my instinct was to make two articles, but I didn't because I couldn't think how to name them. --Trweiss 22:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I admit it was a high-speed tag and I hadn't paidd close attention. The talk page had a note about non-technicality and no followup, and the article looked somewhat technical, so I tagged it without checking if anybody had already revised it. I've removed the {{technical}} tag.

Would you consider merging MIDI controller into MIDI itself? MIDI is getting long, but it can manage for now. The longest section is on MIDI Specification; is information on MIDI specifications much more important than controllers (both senses)? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 22:19Z

Actually, whoever wrote that "too technical" comment on the talk page did so after I rewrote the article. (Not that it was much better before the rewrite.) I'm not convinced the article should be merged with MIDI, but I'd consider it if there was support for it. I understand where you are coming from as a mergist, but I have the feeling that if I merged, most of the content would eventually be eliminated by editors who consider the specifics of MIDI controllers too technical for a general discussion of MIDI. I'm not sure how to answer your question about MIDI spec/MIDI controller, which is why I think more people should weigh in on this. I wouldn't create a separate article for MIDI (specification), if that's what you mean.

By the way, the MIDI article is a redirect. The actual article is Musical Instrument Digital Interface (note capitalization). Could you add a merge-from tag to the Musical Instrument Digital Interface article? (Nobody will read the talk page for the redirect article called MIDI.) And you're also likely to get more responses if the Musical Instrument Digital Interface article has a merge-from tag on it. In all likelyhood, it is visited more often than MIDI controller. --Trweiss 22:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

To start with, how about a couple sentences in MIDI about controllers, and use {{main|MIDI controller}} for that section. I knew MIDI is a redirect; was jsut too lazy to type the full article name. I will place a mergefrom as you suggested. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 22:54Z

Oh, I see now you were talking about the mergeto tag, not the link in this talk page. I didn't previously know the mergeto template links to the merge target's talk page rather than current article's talk page. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-16 04:26Z

WCityMike signature

Please don't use an external link to your home page instead of your Wikipedia user page in your signature. It makes it harder to go to your user page and astonishing for those not looking closely. It is also considered link spamming. See Wikipedia:Signature#External_links. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-11 03:37Z

In response to the message you left on my talk page, boy, you really just don't have a life, do you? Fine, fixed. — WCityMike ^{(T | C)} 22:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 22:07Z

I can see you

following me. --86.141.50.205 02:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It is true that I looked at your contribution history and reverted two of your edits to Wikipedia policy pages. With edits like [1] (WARNING to third parties: sexually graphic image), can you blame me for questioning your good faith? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-16 04:14Z

Too many boilerplates

Heh, did you make that up just now? There used to be a "too many pastel boxes" tag but I think it was deleted. Quarl ^(talk)

I saw it on another page, but couldn't remember the template. The box I added is not a template, yet; I may consider making one. Stifle 14:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Curious

What does "show_diff_since.js" do? --Mystaker1 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It adds a tab named "since" that does a diff between the current revision and the last one you edited. Someone else wrote it originally, I just changed it to be asynchronous, i.e. don't require seeing the history page. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-17 00:15Z

Sounds useful! Thanks. --Mystaker1 00:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Dance dance revolution supernova (AfD discussion)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dance dance revolution supernova Someone has re-written the article and redirected the article to Dance Dance Revolution SuperNOVA. You may want to reconsider your vote. SYSS Mouse 03:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-17 12:59Z

Template:badbio

Hi, I have nominated {{badbio}} for deletion. I'm letting you know, since you've used it a number of times, and may wish to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Badbio. --Rob 07:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-17 12:59Z

• We already have {{nn-bio}}, maybe bio-notability should redirect there? Radiant_>|< 16:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
  • nn-bio is a speedy-deletion tag; I was thinking something gentler first is useful. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-18 00:49Z

signature

I noticed your signature is unique and nice looking. It is occupies a lot of wiki source text though, and it turns out much of the markup is redundant. You can collapse consecutive font tags and bolding wiki markup. Let me know whether that makes sense to you. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-17 14:01Z

How do I do as you describe whilst also retaining the colour variations for the individual letters? The only way I know how to do so is by using a graphic file for my signature, which I would prefer to do, but seems to be taboo around here. → Pádraic MacUidhir (t) (c) 16:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to not use any <font> tags. I just mean that something like <font color="red">x</font><font color="red">y</font> can be replaced with the equivalent but shorter <font color="red">xy</font>. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-18 00:51Z

I ask that you forgive my ignorance regarding HTML. Since I use a slightly different shade for each letter in part of the sequence, how can I block them together using those tags?

→ Pádraic MacUidhir (t) (c) 18:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Instead of this:

<font color="006400">'''P'''</font><font color="4B0082">'''.'''</font><font color="008000">'''M'''</font><font color="008000">'''a'''</font><font color="008000">'''c'''</font><font color="228B22">'''U'''</font><font color="228B22">'''i'''</font><font color="228B22">'''d'''</font><font color="228B22">'''h'''</font><font color="228B22">'''i'''</font><font color="228B22">'''r'''</font>

You could use this:

'''<font color="006400">P</font><font color="4B0082">.</font><font color="008000">Mac</font><font color="228B22">Uidhir'''</font>

—Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-20 03:36Z

That works perfectly! Thank you!

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 16:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Closing AFDs as Keep

Hi Mo0, I notice you have been using the {{oldafdfull}} template in the appropriate talk pages when closing AFDs; however you are writing date={{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} . As you may have realized, this will always display the current day, not the day you inserted the text. Subst:tituting those template values would work. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-19 10:11Z

YIKES! Thanks for letting me know about that! I have a tab that automatically puts that template in, so I'll go fix that right away. Thanks for pointing that out! :) Mo0[talk] 17:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I figured it was automatically-inserted text. Cheers :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-19 18:25Z

User:In Name And Blood

I went to revert User:In Name And Blood's edits, and saw you've already all of them! :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-20 08:12Z

Thanks re User:In Name And Blood. He put a lot of work into that didn't he? His earlier edits (Rowan Stewart, filmmaker) seem dodgy too. Asa01 08:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I already nominated Rowan Stewart and Echoes Of Grace for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rowan Stewart)  :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-20 08:19Z

I'm glad you hate my article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.122.182.198 (talk • contribs).

Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

Hi! You restored the page on "Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide" I saw. I was looking for info on "four points" in New York, looking for information about the gang history in New York as described in the movie Gangs of New York. Result I get is -in my view- a commercial about a hotel chain, carefully put together by I guess hotel staff. I don't think commercials belong in an encyclopedia, do you? That's why I put the "spam" remark on the page, with a wipe of the rest. According to your user page you look like a serious user. So I was wondering about your motivation to keep such a bill-board in an encyclopedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.169.225.2 (talk • contribs).

It is true that the article currently contains mostly commercially-available information, but it is not an advertisement; and in any case an "advertisement" (non-neutral point of view) would warrant cleaning up the article by removing the bias, not replacing the article with "this is spam". I don't know what "four points" other than the hotel is; if it is an unrelated gang then go ahead and create the article; if it is related then expand on the section, or perhaps create a new article and link to it. Your edit [2] was very unfriendly and borderline vandalism; thanks for explaining your action. In the future you may want to nominate articles for deletion if you think they are unsuitable for Wikipedia. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-22 19:50Z

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dayboy

Please revisit the discussion. Uncle G 13:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I revisited too late, but it's okay because the article was already redirected. BTW I don't think the tone was necessary, as I, and probably the others, did not know it was a duplicate article. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-22 19:59Z

V7ndotcom Elursrebmem Deletion

Hi, I noticed you voted to on the abovementioned article. Initialy I wanted to keep it, but when I compared it to Nigritude ultramarine and Seraphim proudleduck it seems obvious that all theese articles are repating the same info:

• It's a search contest
• It has begin/end dates
• It has a prize
• It uses a unique phrase that is not used before

I'd like to urge you to change your vote to Redirect to SEO Contest where I have created already made a copy of the article. This way they dont have "their own article" but they are mentioned in the encyclopedia. Seems like a compromise to me. Right now w/ all the Delete, Keep, And Redirect votes it will be hard to reach a compromise.This user has left wikipedia 22:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/NoSeptember

Thank you, Quarl, for your support of my RfA. If you ever need for anything, please contact me. I will do my best in my new role and welcome your feedback. NoSeptember ^talk 16:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Your JS toolset

Oh wow, that's awesome, you've got lots of good stuff... One quick question... How do I use most of them? Well, for now, How do I use the revert feature? —This user has left wikipedia 04:39 2006-01-23

Nevermind... found, thx again —This user has left wikipedia 04:42 2006-01-23

Hmm, Maybe I should have made a copy to your scripts instead of hotlinking them... I think you broke util.js or wikipage.js =D This user has left wikipedia 05:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Thanks! —This user has left wikipedia 06:17 2006-01-23

Glad it's working now. And I see you're using the AFD shortcuts too? :) Copying might be a good idea, since I've been editing the scripts quite often. If you're not going to edit them you can also use permalinks to my versions. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-24 12:12Z

I can't edit them unless i fork them. (is that what you meant?) JS files are protected and only editable by the author. On a side note: autocpyvio.js is still misspelled, you are missing an o: autocopyvio.js —This user has left wikipedia 05:07 2006-01-29

I meant copying would be a good idea from a security standpoint (because nobody else can edit them) and from a stability standpoint (I don't promise not to introduce new bugs while fixing old ones). BTW, advanced_sig.js was designed so you wouldn't have to edit it just to customize the signature - you only need to set the variables in monobook.js. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-01 12:10Z

DADA

To be honest, I do not know anything at all about the fellow. I've just voted delete, btw. I did not remove the content as I assumed Dada was one of the many activists against apartheid. Maybe he was, but not notable clearly. Banez 06:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

CCIE page

Nice job. Wikipedia needs more people who are actively working to add value to this site. I'd like to nominate you as a wiki admin if that is okay with you. Pattersonc(Talk) 7:45 PM, Thursday; February 2 2006 (EST)

Thanks for the compliment. I would be interested in being an admin, but I think I should wait a while longer before going through the RFA process. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-24 12:10Z

Naah, screw it, I'm nominating you anyways. I'll strangle anyone who votes against you with my own bare hands —This user has left wikipedia 19:56 2006-02-01

Wow! I'm just seeing this, thanks to Achille. I forgot to sign my initial post and subsequently my "quick" monitoring system was ineffective. My apologizes but I'm glad Achille picked up my slack. :-) Pattersonc(Talk) 3:40 PM, Wednesday; February 1 2006 (EST)

WP:RFA/JzG

RE: John locke sockpuppetry

I noticed that you added additional puppet IPs to the list; I placed a sockpuppetry note on one of the IPs, 82.14.20.98. As it appears that he has ignored the repeated warnings, the only way to stop his continued vandalism may be to temporarily block a range of IPs-- 82.14.* and 82.12.* all resolve to ADSL lines (in Birmingham, UK) at tesco.net, an ISP.

I suspect, based on the subjects he edits and grammar he uses, that this is an adolescent who doesn't know better. He may even be editing on computers at school (likely Liverpool_Blue_Coat_School). The other IP you noted 195.188.141.162 may be a school-friend, based on the even more serious and extensive vandalism, but functionally the same as a sock-puppet; that IP should have been perma-blocked long ago. —LeFlyman 17:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

A block of the vandal sounds reasonable. I'm wary of range blocks though, and if it's only those 4 IPs I think it would be enough to just block them individually, at least for now. I agree the last IP (195.188.141.162) could be a meat puppet rather than sock puppet; a vandal in any case. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 00:32Z

Carlos E. Nemer (AfD discussion)

Some references for prof. Carlos Nemer´s work (more will come with time). http://www.eng.uerj.br/deptos/profs.php?id=dein —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.179.227.158 (talk • contribs).

Discussion at User talk:200.179.227.158.

Dear Quarl, it is not a matter of spaming anyone, there´s no spaming when it comes to defend the truth and it is allways time to open up the mind and consider some peculiarities of each country. In Rio de Janeiro right now is summer and people (academics are on vacation---january is a dead month and nobody will be entering wikipedia to give you more references on that article. That is the way it is around here (while there´s a great winter up there in the northern hemisphere and everybody is delighted with their work).

Hi Quarl, No computer systems go on vacation but it is necessary to have people, human beings to access the programs and make them work, don´t you agree ? and this people (which are suposed to fullfill the necessary references are on vacation having a great time in Rio de Janeiro Brasil (you should come here and have yourself some fun --- forget snowball and skiing for a while man), cheers. Carlos Vieira.

Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates

Hi, I notice you tagged Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates with {{limitedgeographicscope}}. I have removed the tag, because any discussion of a US organisation is necessarily going to be US-centric. If I'm missing something, feel free to hit me with a wet kipper put it back. -- AJR | Talk 19:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, looks fine right now. I can't remember what made me tag it anyway :) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 00:07Z

Gender-neutral pronouns

The dis-ambiguation page He considers the use of the pronoun he as gender-neutral to be a meaning, although you don't have it on your template. Clarification?? Georgia guy 00:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

You're right, hadn't thought of that. I've added He. Thanks! —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 04:34Z

List of years in art

Hi. I'm not sure why you say that the "years in art" articles are unmaintainable. They are in line with the years in topic for literature, music, etc. All I'm really doing is filling in blanks that already exist. Deb 12:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Deb.

Fair enough, you're entitled to that opinion, but there's no point complaining to me, I'm afraid. If I thought these pages were unmaintainable, I wouldn't be bothering to add to them. (I would have said that anything that is in the past is by its very nature not going to change much in the future.) If you want to see the back of these articles, you need to nominate them for deletion, or raise the topic on an appropriate talk page/policy page. Deb 18:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Crisis (band) speedy tagging

I removed your speedy tagging of this band. They appear at allmusic.com and have 4 cds released [3]. All the best, --Durin 14:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 17:56Z

List of state leaders in 18 BC

Hi Daanschr, List of state leaders in 18 BC is a superset of List of state leaders in 18BC. If you're interested would you look at what needs to be done in the related articles (List of state leaders in 19 BC etc.)? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 18:03Z

Hi Quarl,

I used the format as presented by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Leaders by year. All BC years there have a spacebar between the numbers and BC. The article List of state leaders in 18BC was probably aimed at being known as List of state leaders in 18 BC, seeing that it refers to article were the spacebar is at the right place.

My sugestion is that both articles are merged by deleting my data and deleting the title with 18BC.--Daanschr 18:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is the obvious thing to do for that article. Could you also work on all the other years that are missing the data? For example all the years after 18 BC are missing the info. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 18:32Z

I have the impression that only one article is concerned and that is List of state leaders in 18BC. You may change it if you think it is necessary.--Daanschr 20:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

It is not only one article, why do you think that? List of state leaders in 16 BC, List of state leaders in 15 BC, List of state leaders in 14 BC, etc. The reason I am contacting you is because these articles have only been edited by you, so I thought perhaps you would be interested in adding the missing information. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-26 08:28Z

You want the info of article 18BC to be on the other articles as well? Problem is that i only inserted info of the place where i live, which belonged to the Roman Empire at that time. I don't know much about other empires.Daanschr 11:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters

Storm clouds ...	and silver linings	Thank you for your support on my RfA.
		Unfortunately, it failed to reach consensus. Nonetheless, it proved an opportunity to establish contacts and cooperation with many supportive editors, which will be beneficial to editing Wikipedia in the future. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (t @)

ZuuP

Thanks,Mikereichold 06:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Mikereichold.

Date and Time Signature

Hi Quarl! I have a quick question for you. I love your signature, especially the Date and Time part. I am not very good in coding, javascript, or CSS, but I would like to know how to put this Date and Time thing into my signature. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Ø tVaughn05 ^talk_contribs 17:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Andy Davidson-Lee (AfD discussion)

Hi Quarl! That is my entry for myself (Andy Davidson-Lee)! I really didn't understand how to clean up my entry as I'm not that literate on the html and stuff like that...how do I keep my page? Many thanks A.D.Lee —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.107.193.129 (talk • contribs).

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Davidson-Lee.

WikiProject Computer science

There's a little more activity on Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science now than there was a month ago. A few of us are trying to revitalize the project, so please stop by and see what's going on. --Allan McInnes 07:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Lee Zalben (AfD discussion)

quarl, i am a bit of a newbie here, so apologies for my elementary questions. you started a discussion regarding my company and persional bio (Peanut Butter & Co. and Lee Zalben) - I tried to add to the discussion, but my comments aren't on the project page, they're on the discussion page, and i don't know how to change that. also, the photo of me is Copyright 2005 Peanut Butter & Co. but I don't know how to add that to the photo. any help with these issues would be appreciated! thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zalben (talk • contribs).

Thanks for your message. I've moved your comment from the talk page to the project page.

As for Image:Lee_zalben.jpg, do you have authority to release the image under a different copyright license? If so, you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-27 19:53Z

WP:RFA/Chairboy

Your sig script

Hey Quarl, your advanced sig script is awesome... I modified a tad Made it look "cleaner" on paper(source) and made it into a template, thus if you wanted to change the look of your sig it'd change everywhere. See my monobook for the script, look at the source to see the new sig -> —This user has left wikipedia 11:28 2006-01-28

Small note: The Achilles' look same but are not User:Αchille is where the template is, while User:Achille is userpage.

Ah, that Αchille vs Achille distinction confused me a lot until I clicked on them :) The wikisource does look very very nice compared to the messy markup mine inserts. I thought about doing it with templates but there is a performance guideline against that: Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages#Transclusion.2Ftemplate. If nobody complains about this kind of use of templates it could also be moved outside to template space e.g. {{sig|Achille|2006-01-28|11:28}}. I tried to get support on Village Pump to add something like this by default so that it wouldn't appear in wiki markup and everybody would benefit, but people didn't seem to get the idea. It's also doable via client javascript but it'll take more work to recognize signatures. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-28 19:57Z

I have adressed the server load issue as well, see the response: here —This user has left wikipedia 03:49 2006-01-29

I like it very much; here are some concerns I could think of: (1) Some scripts/bots look for [[User:Foo]], so this might confuse them. (2) Using a doppelganger might be confusing to users looking at the wiki source. (3)(a) It's not scalable for everyone to have to create their own doppelganger just for a signature (3)(b) It requires protecting the signature page (3a could be addressed via a user subpage or a template-space generic template; 3b could be addressed by using a .js subpage, but it would look uglier). —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-01 12:07Z

Your recent alterations to {{oldafdfull}}

I know you're trying to be helpful, but there's a couple of things which I don't like:

• You've changed the long-standing consensus that the link to the discussion page should be piped: it should display as the word "here". This avoids the problem when the PAGENAME is very long, and the link becomes ungainly.
• You've made it appear that it is mandatory to SUBSTitute the template when using. It turns out this was added by someone being bold only a few months back, and according to recent discussions at WT:AUM it appears to be no longer sufficiently justified and I have .

I'm going to reverse only these two particular changes because I like the rest of what you have done. Obviously I look forward to constructive discussion if you disagree with my changes in turn. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I did not realize the SUBSTing wasn't consensual. I will reply about the "here" piped link on Template talk:Oldafdfull. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-01 10:46Z

Jay Saenz (AfD discussion)

I see what I did wrong, this was my first attempt at creating a entry. So I should merge all the info into the Jay Saenz page and leave out all the others because they are very little significance. Put that info all on the page about Mr. Saenz? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim cavent (talk • contribs).

Discussion at User talk:Tim cavent.

Maine East Scholastic Bowl Team (AfD discussion)

This is not a "high school bowling team", but a highly successful Academic Team who is currently second in the state. The Varsity coach, Dennis Wyatt, is well-renowned in the sport. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DigitalRosh (talk • contribs).

Agreed on "not a high school bowling team", but that's about it you have my agreeance on. Club definitely not notable. FYI: Quizzing is decidedly NOT a sport. --Andy Saunders 19:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I did not realize it wasn't a bowling team until OntarioQuizzer's message - I am sorry I mischaracterized the subject of the article in the AFD. DigitialRosh, since the article has already been speedily deleted, if you disagree with the deletion of the article you can recreate it and assert notability this time. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-01 10:41Z

Halestorm/Lzzy Hale

Greetings Quarl. I am "xblkx" (Barry L. Kramer). I wrote the articles on Halestorm and Lzzy Hale and got a message that I needed to expand to establish notability. I believe that I have done that for the Halestorm article. They qualify on the basis of "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources." (with the verifiable sources being Atlantic Records, a major label, and Ticketmaster which is selling the tickets).

I have two questions.

First, how do I know that someone has verified the notability criteria? I don't want to do any more work on the page if it is a candidate for deletion. Will you, or should I, remove the "notability" item on the page?

My other question is, if Halestorm (band) qualifies, does their founder and singer (Lzzy Hale) qualify also? The Lzzy Hale page was intended as a stub (like the one that already exists for Chris Stein, guitarist and co-founder of Blondie). My intention was to be able to use the Lzzy Hale page to give information about her, include an image, etc. now that the band is established as a national act and signed to a major label, and then add more information in the coming weeks as I get time. Again, I don't want to do any work on a page that will deleted for being too short.

best regards Barry L. Kramer Xblkx 21:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Xblkx.