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[edit] Anime Style Section

This is by far the most difficult thing to describe about anime, especially when production outside Japan is starting to resemble more and more like anime. This effect is more prominent over in the manga article. For neutrality, it is best to look at the basic characteristics of anime and try to "quantify" them. KyuuA4 04:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Sections needing citations

Here are the sections removed for being un-sourced for too long. We can work on them here on the talk page till they're ready to be put back in the article. I'm bumping each section up another = so they stay within this talk heading, so they will each need to have one removed before they are put back in. -- Ned Scott 06:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

How about we put the sections back in for now, rip out the Template:Unreferencedsects and stick a Template:Citations missing or Template:Pagenumbers in there? --Ppk01 17:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music

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Just like movie soundtracks, music to anime can be sold as Anime soundtracks. They are oftentimes met with similar demand as chart topping pop albums. It is for this reason that anime music is often composed and performed by 'A-list' musicians, stars, and composers. Anime series with opening credits use the opening theme song as a quick introduction to the show. The most frequent use of music in Anime is background music or BGM. BGM is used to set the tone of a given scene, for example Neon Genesis Evangelion's "Decisive Battle" is played when the characters are making battle preparations and it features heavy drum beats and a militaristic style which highlights the tension of the scene and hints at the action to follow.

The theme song (also referred to as the Opening song or abbreviated as OP) usually matches the overall tone of the show, and serves to get the viewer excited about the upcoming program. Insert songs and ending songs (abbreviated ED) often make commentary about the plot or the program as a whole, and are oftentimes used to highlight a particularly important scene. Opening and ending themes, as well as insert songs, are frequently performed by popular musicians or Japanese idols, so in this way, songs become a very important component of an anime program. In addition to the themes, the seiyū (Japanese term for voice actors) for a specific anime also frequently releases CD for their character, called Image Albums. Despite the word "image" in the CD's name, it only contains music and/or "voice messages" (where the seiyū talks with the audience or about herself), making the listener think that the character him/herself is singing. Another type of Anime CD release are Drama CDs, featuring songs and tracks which makes use of the seiyū to tell a story, often not included in the main anime.

[edit] Animation Process

[edit] Techniques

The basics of anime is based on traditional animation. While anime is considered separate from cartoons, anime still uses multiple still images in rapid succession to produce the animated visual effect. Like all animation, the production processes of storyboarding, voice acting, character design, cel production, etc. still apply. With improvements in computer technology, computer animation increased the efficiency of the whole production process.

Most anime drawing styles used for television is counter-productive to the animation process. The anime style emphasizes detail which subsequently creates difficulty with meeting production schedules and budgets. This is in contrast to animation styles with design ethics stressing simplicity. Thus, the anime style has a philosophy of applying more effort into each of a few drawings than less effort into one of many.

Osamu Tezuka adapted and simplified many Disney animation precepts to reduce the budget costs and number of frames in the production. This was intended to be a temporary measure to allow him to produce one episode every week with an inexperienced animation staff. Some animators in Japan overcome production budgets by utilizing different techniques than the Disney or the old Tezuka/Otsuka methods of animating anime. Due to reduced frame rate, several still shots and scrolling backgrounds, more time can be spent on detail in each drawing. Animator Yasuo Ōtsuka was a pioneer of this technique. Directors such as Hiroyuki Imaishi (Cutey Honey, Dead Leaves) simplify backgrounds so that more attention can be paid to character animation. Other animators like Tatsuyuki Tanaka (in Koji Minamoto's Eternal Family in particular) use squash and stretch, an animation technique not often used by Japanese animators; Tanaka makes other shortcuts to compensate for this. Anime studios use techniques to draw as little new animation as possible such as using dialogue that involves only animating mouths while the rest of the screen remains absolutely unchanged, a technique familiar to Western animation styles.

Some higher-budgeted television and OVA (Original Video Animation) series are made without resorting to the shortcuts found in most other anime. Classic films, such as those produced by Toei Animation up until the mid 1960s, and recent big budget films, such as those produced by the enormously successful Studio Ghibli have much higher production budgets, due to their anticipated success at the box office.

Some anime titles lack a directorial system. Animation productions tend to keep to a set style by the director or animation director, but animation director Yoshinori Kanada dispensed with this and allowed each animator to bring their own individual style to the work. An example of this is the The Hakkenden that showed constantly shifting styles of animation from episode to episode, based upon the key animator that worked on that particular episode.

Some non-Japanese animations are starting to incorporate mainstream anime shortcuts and symbols in an attempt to appeal to existing anime fans, cut costs, and sometimes simply because of creators' own interest in anime.

[edit] Companies

Anime is produced by Anime companies. It is common for several companies to collaborate on different aspects of an anime to produce the finished product. Profits are gained by television and box office release and also by retail release, commonly through the sale of DVDs. Merchandise is also a source of substantial income.

[edit] Production types of anime

Most anime can be categorized as one of three types:

Films, which are generally released in theaters, represent the highest budgets and generally the highest video quality. Anime movies that have broken profit earning records include Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Spirited Away, and Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa. Some anime films are only released at film or animation festivals and are shorter and sometimes lower in production values. Some examples of these are Winter Days and Osamu Tezuka's Legend of the Forest. Other types of films include compilation movies, which are television episodes edited together and presented in theaters for various reasons, and are hence a concentrated form of a television serial. These may, however, be longer than the average movie. There are also theatrical shorts derived from existing televisions series and billed in Japanese theaters together to form feature-length showing.
Television series anime is syndicated and broadcast on television on a regular schedule. Television series are generally low quality compared to OVA (Original Video Animation) and film titles, because the production budget is spread out over many episodes rather than a single film or a short series. Most episodes are about 23 minutes in length, to fill a typical thirty-minute time slot with added commercials. One full season is 26 episodes, and many titles run half seasons, or 13 episodes. Most TV series anime episodes will have opening credits, closing credits, and often an "eyecatch", a very short scene, often humorous or silly, that is used to signal the start or end of the commercial break (as "bumpers" in the United States are used in a similar fashion). "Eyecatch" scenes are often found in TV series anime and are generally similar throughout the series. The ending credits are often followed by a preview of the next episode.
OVA (Original Video Animation; sometimes OAV, or Original Animated Video) anime is often similar to a television miniseries. OVAs can be any number of episodes in length; one-shots are particularly short, usually less than film-length. They are most commonly released directly to video. As a general rule, OVA anime tends to be of higher production quality than that of TV episodes, approaching that of films. Titles tend to have a continuing plot, as opposed to episodic conclusions. Opening credits, closing credits, and eyecatches may sometimes be found in OVA releases, but not universally.

[edit] Franchising

It is common for one title to spawn several different releases. A title that starts as a popular television series, for example, may have a movie adapted from it at a later date. An example is the Tenchi Muyo! series; originally an OVA, it spawned three movies, three television series, and several spin-off titles and specials. Not all successors to an anime are a sequel to the original story; prequels and alternate stories (sometimes known as gaiden (外伝, gaiden^? lit. "outside story")) are commonly adapted from the original.

[edit] Vandalism

Y'know, the anime page has been getting a lot of vandalism lately... maybe we should consider semi-protecting it? --Ppk01 09:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I come here this morning only to find the article with nothing more than "ANIME SUCKS". Perhaps, vandalism protection could be considered. KyuuA4 16:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Yet again the article has been vandalised. The section on anime directors has been partially deleted and a badly spelled comment added.

Things like that is happening at youtube I think odmachine is the ringleader

Revert any Vandalism. If anyone arrives to this article and notices some vandalism, just revert the article. Thanks. KyuuA4 07:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Due to linguistics"

"Due to linguistics, the anime definition is subject to interpretation" is written under the definition. According to Wikiepedia "Linguistics is the scientific study of language". So what the hell does "Due to linguistics, the anime definition is subject to interpretation" mean? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Familyman69 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The next couple of sentences should explain that. Apparently, the meaning of "anime" is dependent on who you talk to. To the Japanese, "anime" means everything animated - which includes things like the Simpsons. The differentiation between "anime" and "cartoon" only exists in the West, particularly the United States.

In short, the language interpretation of the word differs. Furthermore, the meaning even gets more confusing when "cartoons" start mimicking things done in "anime". Several articles already exist addressing that confusion. KyuuA4 19:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I understood the point of the paragraph, I was pointing out the use of the phrase "Due to linguistics". It's not "due to linguistics" that the definition is subject to interepretation. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Familyman69 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Broken Link

Number 8 on the list of links is broken. Don't know what to do about it. ^_^ --A Gigantic Panda 04:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I've taken care of it. --Gwern (contribs) 16:57 11 December 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Licencing

One Piece isn't an anime that was edited heavly because of what year it came to America. It was edited because of 4Kids entertainment intent to use it as a child's show. 4Kids has never used a "light touch". A Gigantic Panda 05:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's the deal. That was generally the case with distribution companies early on. Particularly in the 1980's and early 1990's. Sailor Moon has been a prime example of that editing. KyuuA4 04:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US-Japanese partnership

How much has that influenced in importing of anime over the years? (if it ever had an effect at all) KyuuA4 17:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page protection

Do you people think that we could protect this page from people who don't log in? This page is vandalized a LOT, and I almost always by people who don't log in. In light of this, I think it would be good if we protected the page from those who didn't log in. What do you think? Fiction Alchemist 04:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

You can request to semi-protect this article on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection to block anonymous edits. Be warned, however, if this article experiences anonymous vandal edits at a rate of only one per day, that is often deemed below whatever arbitrary threshold exists for semi-protection. It depends on which admin reviews the request. =Axlq 06:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

IMO, there just isn't enough vandalism taking place to require simi-protection. --TheFarix (Talk) 13:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's now gotten to the point where we can make a successful request. --Farix (Talk) 21:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] End of Notable Lists

The Notable lists have been replaced with the Category pages as per discussion. Benjwong 21:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

WHAT are the category pages? (I ask because this is the second time someone has mentioned the location of the notable list as being here.) There is no hyperlink from the main anime page from named "category." If I can't find any such page, then a casual reader, who may be interested in finding anime worth watching (or following up on), will not be aware of the existence of such a page. It should be listed in the "lists" section at the end of the "anime" entry (it is a "list", isn't it?). Of course, such a page should be based on appropriate references (critical acclaim, popularity polls, etc.), but Italic text its lack of objectivity does not necessarily undermine its (potential) usefulness. Bfbbrown 02:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slight change to Second paragraph ok?

I was thinking this sentence "Anime is often influenced by Japanese comics known as manga." Would read better and be more accurate as something more like this. "Anime often draws influence from manga and light novels."

I don't really see the need to explain that manga is the japanese word for comic in the anime article, and this way you can also add in another major print media influence, light novels without the sentence sounding weird. Could probably go even a bit further and say it's not only influenced by, but often directly adapted from those sources. Anybody object to this change or have a comment?Mdgeist747 19:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there's plenty to object to that. I don't know how long you've been following anime, but anime's hardly been influenced by light novels. If anything, light novel authors have grown up watching anime, but there's hardly any anime creator who's grown up reading light novels. At most, light novels have become source material for recent anime shows, and I'll emphasize that this is a very recent trend. And it comes from major light novel publishers like Kadokawa Shoten financing the production of anime shows based on their light novel titles so as to promote the sales of books and related merchandise. You should look at who's putting up the money to get shows made before you start speculating about influences.--68.183.156.42 08:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better lists

I remember seeing a list of notable anime a few months back that had all of the most popular anime arranged by genre. I thought that that was a really good and effective way of presenting it, as well as something I've never seen before on any other anime site. I was thinking that this could be taken a step further for those who are interested:

Why not have a similar list of notable anime per genre, but also have it arranged by release date? Not only that, but let there be an "expand option" that lists not only the most popular anime, but all anime of that genre. I think that would be very very cool. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.205.135.176 (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

It was deleted because it was an attempt to recreate the deleted List of anime through the back door. On top of that, an anime wouldn't have an article in the first place if it wasn't notable. And lastly, what genre an anime is in can be a very contentious issue which often leads to original research. For instance, Tokyopop labels Tsukuyomi -Moon Phase- as a fantasy, however, I've seen people label it as horror because the antagonists and the "hero girl" are vampires. --Farix (Talk) 17:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I must say that I also found the page of notable anime useful (in the extreme, actually). Although it is contentious by nature, I think that it should be recreated, albeit under a different title (critically acclaimed anime). Entries included should, of course, provide sources. Just becuase it's contentious by nature, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Perhaps it should exist, but with a tag warning of subjectivity at the top of the page. Bfbbrown 02:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this NPOV?

...Because it sure does not look like it. At all. The whole article is a gaudy praise of japanese animation, with no mention whatsoever of the criticisms that are commonly levied at it on message boards or blogs all over the net. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.33.24.131 (talk • contribs).

Either include that and make it NPOV, or erase the article.

Message boards and blogs are not reliable sources. _dk 15:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

And the article does not praise, but explains. --Farix (Talk) 21:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Loveless

Loveless is given as an example of yaoi in the "Anime" article. But in the Loveless article it is called shonen-ai. (which is better) Yaoi is much more sexual in nature, and though Loveless has some gender-bending/boylove themes, I don't think it can be considered yaoi. --Memantiga 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipe-tan Image Caption Expansion Request (please)

Wikipe-tan's current image caption simply reads "An example of the anime drawing style". I know we can't put Wikipe-tan's name in there (for self referential reasons), but shouldn't it say something like "A typical anime [character/style/drawing technique/aesthetic] features [list notable stylistic features here]..."? (I'm not sure how to phrase it myself.) This would make the image's presence in the article more relevant, as it would illustrate the notable stylistic features mentioned in the image caption. --Ppk01 22:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think a link to Cosplay would be appropriate. (KaorinGirl 07:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

We can link to Wikipe-tan if we use a full URL. WP:SELF is actually more a style guide that gives consideration to down-stream use of our content. -- Ned Scott 07:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Under Early anime in the United States

The person who signed as VeriGGlater in this section is actually VeriGGlater (talk • contribs • WHOIS) faking a signature. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I know for a fact this is false. The person using the VeriGGlater signature is did not use someone else's user name and is not pretending to be someone else. The above comment is simply untrue. Mere observation shows that a user name is not registered to someone else because the name appears in red and not blue. Too bad attempts to register a user name wind up nothing but error on a blank white page with different user name attempts. But I will try again. [[User:VeriGGlater 15:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)]] 09:34 Central Standard Time 01 March 2007

A user's existence can be checked by looking for the presence of a "user contributions" page on the redlink. If not present, it is a non-existent user. Besides the diffs don't lie. I hope what you mean by "trying again" is registering a real account. — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 00:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Under this heading I was expecting to find Akira and Ghost in the Shell at least, maybe even Ranma 1/2, Tenchi Muyo, or Vampire Hunter D. (No, I'm not an obsessed bitter fan of all these) The first two specifically, and others released in the States by Manga, Pioneer Video, ADV, etc. are primarily responsible for the recent Anime explosion that has been going on that many mistakenly believe started with Pokemon. It just hit the mainstream with Pokemon. All these had video releases and spread pretty much word of mouth as they had very little if any television airing. Why leave out these out? Surely wiki authors here know that anime in Japan is not "just for kids" or young adults, despite sex and violence being more accepted in kids shows, but another medium. So why are they left out? I'm not asking for every title to be listed: Battle Angel, Patlabor The Movie, Ninja Scroll, Armitage III, etc... Akira & Ghost in the Shell were very fundamental in the growing acceptance of anime in the US and worldwide. GitS has even influenced the creators of The Matrix movies they admit. VeriGGlater 01:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Probably because they weren't "early". None of those were released in the States until 1990 or so, and there are many, many series which were released in the States before that: Speed Racer, Astro Boy, Gigantor, Star Blazers, Voltron, and so on. The ones you mention were not even close to the early anime released in the States. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

But the ones mention by the article were on television (in the States anyway) as 'regular' cartoons. It was not until the 90s that anime started to be released as 'cartoons from Japan' AND with options of the original language with subtitles. Thus the realization that these cartoons came from Japan. But my main point is that Akira & GitS were THE two that really got the ball rolling on 'cartoons from Japan' i.e. anime in the States and subsequently hit mainstream with Pokemon. At this point everybody knew it (Pokemon) was from Japan. That may be a result of a more general 'things from Japan are cool' and/or the video game, but the fact of the matter is, the 'early' anime in the US, as listed in the article so far, were viewed as just another cartoon outside of small populations with connections to Japan. Outside Japan, the term most popularly refers to animation originating in Japan. Likewise the use of the term "anime" outside Japan was not used except for relatively small populations with Japan connections. Maybe I have a US centric point of view on this and maybe Speed Racer, Astro Boy, etc. in say, Turkey, were called anime when (if) they were aired around the time they first came out. I understand the term "anime" (in the States) originating around the of Akira, GitS, et al. If we use the term "anime" as it is used outside Japan, Akira & GitS, specifically the former, really made Japanese animation, anime, into a world-wide phenomenon and most definately marking points in the history of the medium. Therefore, I believe, this chunk of "early anime in the US", as I believe I tried to give some further definition to above, is noteworthy. Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Gundam Wing are all listed under the heading in question and these are late 90s, early 2000s past Akira, GitS, et el. Also under the heading is the line A great many anime films and feature-length TV series compilations were also released direct-to-video in the U.S. Perhaps the history making Akira, GitS should be mentioned here. Does that make any sense to anybody other than me? I clicked on the titles listd under direct-to-video and the seem to all be rather obscure titles. I do not understand why Akira and GitS are not mentioned here? They are not any more risque than uncensored versions of other titles mentioned in the article. Not that that would/should be a factor since animation in Japan, anime, is not "just for kids" or young adults, but another medium entirely. VeriGGlater 01:48, 3 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

This is only your opinion, and inserting it into the article is completely inappropriate. Wikipedia is about verifiable facts, not someone's opinions or views. --Farix (Talk) 12:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Admittedly there are some opinions in my above post on this talk page. But one cannot deny that the word anime did not enter US vernacular until Akira, GitS era, early to mid-90s. This is also the time that anime started to be released in the US with original voices/subtitled making it notably animation from Japan. Lastly, that Akira is primarily responsible for making anime a world-wide phenomena is also not mere opinion. That is widely understood. Read any book published in English on anime and I doubt if this last point would not be mentioned. An interesting book on anime and its historical/sociological impact is the art book put together by Takashi Murakami titled "Little Boy: The Arts of Japan's Exploding Subculture". If one doubts the worldwide impact of Akira, one could read the several essays by multiple artists in this book which is written simultaneously in English and Japanese on the same page. A truly fascinating read even if you do not agree with me on this page. VeriGGlater 11:03, 3 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

From the wiki page History of anime the two quotes The 1990s and 2000s saw an increased acceptance of anime in overseas markets. Akira and Ghost in the Shell (1995) became famous worldwide. and Despite the failure of Akira in Japan, it brought with it a much larger international fan base for anime. When shown overseas the film was a cult hit that would eventually become a symbol of the medium for the West. ...to not do any "real" research on the matter. VeriGGlater 12:12, 3 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I am a part of this so-called "small populations with connections to Japan" that I speak and used the term "anime" before it hit mainstream at the time of Pokemon, Sailor Moon, etc. The point on Akira & GitS though, is hardly an opinion. They should be mentioned for their historical and cultural significance. VeriGGlater 13:21, 3 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

If I ask you to provide the sources that would pass WP:RS and WP:V and state what you're claiming, would you be able to provide them? --Farix (Talk) 21:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I am really surprised that Akira was not mentioned in the article. I'll scour all the books on anime at the public and college libraries in town and get the "Little Boy" book through interlibrary loan (a library in the neighboring county has a copy of it) so it may take a while - give me three weeks, but I am sure every book on the topic would note its significance. Unless you've come into anime in the later 90s, it is difficult for me to understand how this has been passed up. I only own the dvd and two issues of the Akira manga, so I'd hardly call myself a crazed fan. Crazed and a fan perhaps, but not a crazed fan. VeriGGlater 15:34, 3 Febuary 2007 (UTC) I would like to note that I hope this does not sound like I'm saying, "I was here before and therefore you must just not get it." I did not intend to mean this. I am not a proponent of ageism. VeriGGlater 23:02, 5 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

A great many anime films and feature-length TV series compilations were also released direct-to-video in the U.S., and were often available for rental at mainstream video stores. The article notes, and then lists a whole slew of little known titles(in the US at least). (I know that just because I've never heard of any of them doesn't mean they are unknown. Others such as Atom and the White Lion many have heard of, the one's listed, I'm not sure I can find many who have). Listed here should be the Akiras, the Ghost in the Shells, and the Vampire Hunter Ds (which I personally didn't care that much for). Just about every video rental place in town had these, but the ones listed..., maybe they were placed in the children's section because they certainly weren't in the "Japanimation" (as it was more often called than "anime" back then) section of our town's video stores. I'm still waiting on the "Little Boy" book, btw. But have picked up other books and they all seem to note Akira's significance. Just no stats of sales, which would a piss poor way to measure the significance of something. Akira did not do very well in its native Japan, but was huge throughout the rest of the world. VeriGGlater 14:57, 12 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

Give me one more week. The "Little Boy" book just came in. VeriGGlater 11:47, 26 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

This section has way way too many examples of anime listed. KyuuA4 04:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You are probably right. I was just surprised there was such a gap in the history and I truly believe anime would not be as big as it is today (in the States) were it not for the likes of Akira and GitS (and specifically those two). My opinion perhaps, but oh well. I can be one of those cranky old men in a rocking chair someday..."I should know, I lived it". ha! VeriGGlater 10:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yamamoto?!?

Did Isoroku Yamamoto seriously dabble in animation?? I think it's more likely that some studio or organization is meant and not the admiral. Brutannica 04:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Where did you see this? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe}

Its in the history section, the first part where it says, "The history of anime begins at the start of the 20th century, when Yamamoto experimented with the animation techniques that were being explored in France, Germany, United States and Russia" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.48.105 (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism see the History. --Squilibob 02:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See Also and Terminology sections

I think it is time that the terminology section be given a though review with terms either being removed, moved to the See Also section, or integrated into the artical text. I have already done some moving around, editing, and removed some of the terms that do appear in the artical text, but some of the other terms do warent discussion:

Catgirl - Should be worked into the text of the article text or removed, barely relevent
Lemons and Limes - Irrelevent as it is not even mentioned on the fanfic page
Japanese television dramas - Relevent, should either be under See Also, or mentioned in text (i.e. 'Some animes are considered to be in the caterogry of Japanese televetion dramas...')
Eroge - Irrelevent to anime as a whole, move to the hentai page
EroGuro - Irrelevent to anime as a whole, move to the hentai page
Lolicon - Irrelevent to anime as a whole, move to the hentai page
ONA - Relevent, but would make more sense on the OVA page
Shota - Irrelevent to anime as a whole, move to the hentai page

Let the discussion begin! --Darkstar949 18:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

perhaps all terminology could be removed and instead Category:Anime and manga terminology be placed in see also section? --Squilibob 06:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That's actually a good idea, pretty much everything that is left in the terminology is mentioned on that page and it would make sense to have a link to it under See Also. --Darkstar949 15:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gourmet Manga

Please, can someone add the "gourmet" category of manga/anime to the list of genres, and also create a separate article on it? I am told there are many examples of this category, but since I don't speak Japanese I can't find out very much about it. Maybe you can look at this Japanese page to help you: ja:料理・グルメ漫画 24.7.254.33 20:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by the term "gourmet" though? As far as I know I have never heard of it as an actual genera, but usually only in the context of "must see", "classic", or "top shelf" anime. Which isn't so much a genera as it is a review rating. --Darkstar949 20:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Try looking under gurume manga, or googling for "gourmet manga" in quotes. Apparently, it is a recognized subgenre! --Orange Mike 21:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it means anime/manga that features food and wine and gourmet subjects like that. One example is Yakitate!! Japan, about a boy who likes to make bread. There's not very much info about this genre on English-language websites; at least I couldn't find much. 24.7.254.33 22:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually have one Manga with the title Cooking Papa, which I've not yet been able to delve into yet. But this might fit in this genre. And according to the wiki link it is 90 issues long. If each volume is regular book size like my issue is, it must be a long story. User:VeriGGlater 17:42, 14 Mar 2007

I don't think a gourmet anime article needs to be created or added to this article for the same reason that pirate anime should not be created, or even ninja anime. They are sub-types of general genres. --Squilibob 00:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genres

I think some titles under genres shouldn't be labled as that certain genre. For example, MeruPuri is under hentai....I do not think it's a hentai, and if it where a hentai, why would viz media be advertising it in mangas (or shojo beat magazine) if they are usually rated T for teen or older teen? If MeruPuri was a hentai, then it would probably be rated M, or something, I'v never really seen any hentai mangas distrubuted by any companies I know. Syarasu 02:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Syarasu

Maybe we shouldn't have a list of genres on the page at all. We certainly don't need examples of each genre since the pages they are linking to should be giving that sort of information. Perhaps that, in addtition to the above, also needs to be removed and the Category:Anime by genre linked to in the see also section. --Squilibob 10:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, the section with the genres is relevant to the overall introduction to the subject of anime and the genres that are listed should be unique to anime as a style of animation. I have gone ahead and removed MeruPuri (perhaps the original editor was thinking of something else?) and the rest of the titles should be checked at some point to ensure that they are accurate representations of the genre they are associated with on the page. --Darkstar949 12:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The first two paragraphs give a good generalization, it's the list describing each genre that I'm proposing to be removed and linked to in the See also section. --Squilibob 15:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps what should be mentioned in the first couple intro paragraphs is the fact that, unlike in the States, animation (anime) is not considered merely a childrens medium. VeriGGlater 0:28, 17 March 2007

Well I once read on the MeruPuri article that it shows shots of a character kind of naked or something like that, I don't think just because of the it is a hentai, (I mean, watch DBZ), But they probably thought 'cuz of that. P.S. I'm syarasu, I forgot to log in....71.106.128.213 01:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Even if one were to take into consideration that another culture, in this case Japan, is not as uptight over something like human nudity, i.e. has slightly different standards of what is "ok" to show kids, something like the Patlabor movies are hardly aimed at a child audience.VeriGGlater 9:36, 01 April 2007

Not without a source. --Yuuki Mayuki 08:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I suppose, right? How hard could it be to find such a source? Just about every person from Japan that I've ever met has all but acknowledged this in writing (I'm talking from the mid-90s on mostly, but some post Pokemon period as well) and none of them necessarily consider themselves Otaku or big fans. The reason I wish we could get this is in the States it seems some people (actually a lot, too many)(in the US) despise the animation medium as children's stuff. But then again, those people I meet (US people) aren't really the types to be into foreign films either. Also, 60% of all books and magazines sold in Japan are comic books, aka manga, according to Murakami in a book he edited "Little Boy". What are the figures for animated programs, movies, etc...? VeriGGlater 13:47, 21 March 2007

MeruPuri is not a hentai! A hentai is Hardcore Anime Pornography! Not i have never seen this anime but from what i can tell it is not even a ecchi! so who told you that MeruPuri was a hentai?--Tatshro Satou 16:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

If you actually read halfway through my sentance, I NEVER SAID IT WAS A HENTAI. *Sorreh for yellin'*:P Syarasu 04:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Syarasu

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