User talk:Antandrus

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Contents 1 Partap Sharma 2 25 3 User:Michaelquantum 4 outrage 5 Thanks .. 6 Haydn: a probably non-Croatian composer 7 sorry 8 New list 9 Thanks 10 Vandalism 11 Possibly Unjustified Block 12 George Szell page 13 Robert Schumann 14 Santa Cruz Biotechnology 15 Barnstars are cool and all that, but... 16 The edits you reverted. 17 Thanks! 18 Zuiderzee Works 19 Pierre Moulu 20 Category:Prison writings 21 Gratitude 22 WP:OWB 23 Thanks 24 Problem 25 Sylvia Mendez 26 Happy First Edit Day! 27 QuasyBoy 28 Thank 'ee kindly! 29 DYK 30 Another question

[edit] Partap Sharma

I've been following your QA survey a bit. I don't even know where to begin with something like Partap Sharma. . . MarkBuckles (talk) 07:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I edited and cut a lot of the WP:NPOV violations in this article. I tell you, I don't know how you take it having ignorant insults and misrepresentations of your righteous actions thrown at you all the time. (what was said at Talk:Partap Sharma is relatively minor compared to some of the ridiculousness I see people post on this page seomtimes). It's hard for me to let it roll off like you seem to do. MarkBuckles (talk) 10:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out! Appreciate it. That's exactly how the project improves its quality. Oh--and as of letting it roll off, I just ignore it. :) Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 16:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 25

Whoa.... you're number 25 in the latest List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Very impressive. Mak (talk) 01:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Michaelquantum

Should I have said anything more?

Michaelquantum (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log)

I ask as you'd previously given him a warning regarding the impersonation. I just don't know if blowing up at him (ala WP:AN/I) is 'yet'? Shenme 06:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] outrage

How can you change [1] back and delete the discussion page. You have only contributed to vandalism by ensuring that non admin users who act within all guidlines are attacked by admins and erased. It ensures that users see the rules as applying only to those without admin rights. I suggest you follow the rules you claim to be enforcing. Helpthisisnotright 01:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should read the rules we have about harassment, sockpuppets, personal attacks, civility, and assuming good faith before you continue with your sockpuppet campaign to harass other users and accuse admins of "abuse".

I use a two-question test to evaluate whether someone is a valid contributor or not. 1) Is this person here to contribute to the encyclopedia? 2) Is this person actively disrupting those of us who are? If the answers are "no" and "yes", respectively, I block the troll, and that's exactly why I blocked you. Nothing is stopping you from creating another account and using it for valid contributions--and that means not attacking or harassing other editors. Thank you for your time, Antandrus (talk) 02:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks ..

.. for reverting the USF vandal who just hit my talk page again. Appreciate it :) - Alison^☺ 23:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Happy to help! that's the troll that's been harassing Gwernol and others forever. Expect shortly to see a "I'm an important biology professor!" appear on the talk page. LOL. Antandrus (talk) 23:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually kinda looking forward to blocking the guy, seeing as I can now :) He's been hitting my pages since early February - Alison^☺ 23:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!! hadn't been watching RFA today. :) Antandrus (talk) 00:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my the vandalism on my page too. That's actually my first. Well, my first "five" if you count all the edits he made. MarkBuckles (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The very first? Wow. The hazards of issuing "test" messages. Somewhere I read a description of the problem here as "the incessant drizzle of schoolboy vandalism"; being insulted and having your pages vandalized is about as serious as getting a few drops of rain on your hair. Children will continue to be childish, I suppose: and those of us who are adults chuckle and carry on. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Haydn: a probably non-Croatian composer

Thanks, Antandrus, for dealing with that Evergreen Montenegro guy editing Joseph Haydn. He seems to have backed off.

It reminds me of the frustrating time I used to have editing Haydn and folk music a few years ago -- some nationalist Croatian editor did all sorts of silly stuff, like looking up and counting all the Hajdin's in the Croatian telephone directory. Cheers, Opus33 03:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Do you know much about Gregor Werner?

I have backed down. I too agree these silly edit wars are a waste of time. But one has to admit isn't it slighty odd that Joseph Haydn was born among the Croatian community who settled in Austria, spoke Croatian, was influenced by Croatian music (some 30 songs)and is believed to be Croat by other websites and books. Why does Wikipedia hide this?

Eg Look at soccer player Andreas Ivanschitz who is a Austrain International. He's got a Croat origin and guess what he's real name isn't Ivanschitz. Ivanschitz is Austrosized from a Croat name Ivancic. So to have Hajdin a Croat name changed into Haydn is not unusual.

Enjoy the music

Evergreen Montenegro1 04:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

OK FAIR ENOUGH,

Understand now. People assume him as Croat because some strong evidence points in that direction. Still intersting enough to note in the article i think. His Croatian influence that is. The fact he spoke Croatian is one huge factor. I have asked another user about it User Kubura.

I still think the chances of the Hajdin and Haydn last names being linked are still high, if not for him but for other Croats in Austria..

No way would anyone think Ivanschitz is of Croat origin, but when you look into it you find out.

History is all about pov to me. I think a Russian historian would have a different view to WW2 than the American. So to say Haydn wasn't Croatian could well be one such diff pov

Take Care Evergreen Montenegro1 04:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think my prior word sounded a tad negative to u, so i changed it. History is pov ...each and every country in the world has a bias to history and how they contributed. I think some historians would prefer Haydn to be Austrian and will go to great lengths to have people believe it. Still the fact Haydn spoke Croatian is hard to cover up.

Evergreen Montenegro1 03:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sorry

look i'm really sorry about that warning you had to give me, won't happen again!

[edit] New list

Hey Antandrus - do you think this list I've begun working on is feasible and appropriate to Wikipedia? See User:Makemi/Workspace2. Cheers, Mak (talk) 23:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey I just commented about this on Mak's page, but since I know you love Beethoven, the list made me think of an article by Barry Cooper titled "Beethoven’s Appoggiatura’s: long or short?" that I'd like to recommend to you. It may be old hat to you, but I was really enthralled. MarkBuckles (talk) 06:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I haven't read it ... kind of frightened to, since I'm so ingrained in my habits. I don't play them all the same way; depends on the context. This kind of stuff is so hard to write about on Wikipedia, the things you have spent a lifetime learning to do but have trouble sourcing exactly where you learned them. Where is the article published? Antandrus (talk) 06:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Early Music, XXXI (2003) p. 165-78. He demonstrates that many of them should last longer than how they are commonly played, depending on the situation in which they arise. I found the evidence and examples pretty compelling. MarkBuckles (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for getting the vandalism on my User page. ♦^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 20:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Let me know if that one bothers you again. Antandrus (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well. --Wafulz 03:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Saturday night=trolls. Always seems to be that way. Antandrus (talk) 03:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Just to let you know that your talk page will never be vandalized again because all the IP addresses used to vandalize your talk page, got blocked from editing and your talk page has been semi-protected. Thanks to User:Betacommand, you will get to rest more often. Amos Han^{Talk to me./Contribs)} 02:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly Unjustified Block

Hi, I was about to warn IP User:88.110.7.181 for vandalism on your talk page when I looked at the block log, noticing that you have blocked the IP after one edit, who has received Zero warnings or messages on their talk page, at the time. While the IP's edits on your talk page are clearly considered deliberate attempts to comprimise the integrity of your talk page and Wikipedia, I don't see more severity in the case, like blatant personal attacks, defamatory edits, trolling, etc. Please forgive if it's not my place to comment on this. I know about vandalism, but I was told warnings are nessesary before blocking, execpt in extreme cases, and I didn't see what was extreme about the IP's edit one edit, as well as the importance of assuming good faith in others.--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 03:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

That was because it was his first edit at that IP address. He has many thousands of edits, all of which are trolling and vandalism since sometime in February. I'm all for assuming good faith. Answered more fully on your talk page. Antandrus (talk) 03:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, what threw me off, is usually admins. explain that it's a sock of a banned user in their block log.--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 03:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... that particular range (Tiscali) is highly dynamic, and he'll never get the same IP twice. I usually don't put too much info in the block log since then the next person who gets the IP might see it; I also use only short blocks (usually three hours, though I think I used a couple that were 24 at first). It's different for static IPs. Also for persistent trolls sometimes I use just a "..." summary in the spirit of WP:DENY. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see. A banned user using IP ranges, and the IP I am talking about is just part of one range, but the person, whoever he/she is editing under, has been warned and contines(kind of like with Cplot). I don't really understand how IP ranges work. I'm sorry about that mistake, and my patience would have been well past if I were you. Before, I'm the one who has assumed zero good faith in others who appear to vandalize, and have worked to improve on that mistake.--Wikipedier (talk • contribs) 03:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for the note, and happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 03:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I know you worked very hard and the vandalism on your talk page gave you an even harder time, but I still see you working hard. Amos HanTalk to me./Contribs) 03:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I also gave a barnstar to User:Betacommand as well for protecting your talk page. Amos Han^{Talk to me./Contribs)} 03:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Szell page

Hi there, me again. Hoping your spring has sprung well so far. It's beginning to get there, a little, up here in America's Tailpipe. Now then: There is a dispute simmering on the Szell talk page about his name. Some feel it should be George plain & simple and some feel he has to be Gyorgy, "perhaps better knkown as" or something along those lines. I fall into the George camp; that "perhaps" sounds very weaselly to me. You have any opinions or advice? Merci! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 12:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Schumann

I wonder what is causing the upsurge in vandalism to his page?!? Thanks for watching it while I was out this afternoon. :) I assume you have it on your watchlist? ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  23:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Delinquents wearing panties, perhaps? :P —  $PЯINGrαgђ  23:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Santa Cruz Biotechnology

You wrote:

"disagree about being speediable; google it' well-written stub"

No arguments, the stub is well-written, however, well-written or not, the article qualifies for speedy deletion as an article because it is both unremarkable and uncontroversial. Per the speedy deletion criteria page: " Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If controversial, or if there has been a previous AfD, the article should be nominated for AfD instead." That being said, I hope you won't object to my re-adding the {{db-corp}} tag. If you do, I'll follow a non-speedy deletion process instead. —XSG 03:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be reasonable to take it to AfD, as a very reasonable user has contested the speedy deletion, who has no conflict of interest. You can see that it have a lot of google hits, it not being highly promotional should not automatically lead to its deletion in this case. Mak (talk) 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to be contrary, but I'd like to point out that if you go past the first page or two of Google hits, the number drops from 1,340,000 hits to 156 hits. For example [2]. That being said, I think measuring notability by Google results is as flawed as Google apparently is in this case. I personally don't think 156 external hits to a business really constitutes notability for an organization. I hope you'll agree with me. If you do agree with me, I'll re-add the db-corp template. If you still don't agree, I'll go the AfD route. —XSG 04:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Also in the interest of full disclosure and a modicum of pride: I'm a Google employee, and I did not alter any settings to cause the results to appear in this manner. In fact, I'll be filing it as a bug as soon as I get into the office tomorrow. ;) —XSG 04:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

That's probably the right thing to do, if you wish, since this is already reading like (an exceptionally civil!) deletion discussion. I see some extremely prestigious journals in those 156 hits--nature.org, journals.cambridge.org, nih.gov, biochemj, oxfordjournals.org. It's not quite like the two-kid skateboarding promoter I deleted the other day. --And you work for Google?? Cool! Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 04:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstars are cool and all that, but...

A nice handwritten (sic) note is better. Sometimes when I get bored, I say to myself, "Hey, why not go read ten random articles that Antandrus has written?" Fifty blue links and 3 hours later, I leave satisfied. Thanks for your work. Teke 05:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The edits you reverted.

I noticed that you have reverted a lot of edits by User:Ruraloccur. The edits you reverted apear to be good edits. Some of the versions you reverted them to look like vandalism. Would please explain this? -Mschel 03:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've finished fixing them. Look at his history: [3] A couple of us spotted him doing this [4] in his recent edits, so we rolled back them all.

Once in a while a particularly nasty vandal goes on RC-patrol, reverting ten or twenty vandalisms, and then turns into a vandal account. The result is that the admin rolling the person back inadvertently restores vandalism on some of the edits. It should be corrected now. Looks like I missed one, which Camerong fixed. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 03:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for quickly spotting the vandalism to my user page. -Mschel 04:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome--and thanks for fixing Squeak's! Antandrus (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zuiderzee Works

You watching the page, too? Bo-Lingua

[edit] Pierre Moulu

Ihr Deutsch ist wunderbar. Your landscape even greater. de:Benutzer:Roomsixhu

Danke! Pleased to meet you! I clarified a few things in Pierre Moulu as well.  :) Antandrus (talk) 02:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

My version is now corrected :-D. I left a last question about saints at Moulus talk --Roomsixhu —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.46.22 (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Category:Prison writings

You effectively proposed this category at Infelix ego, so I thought you'd want to know that I created it today and attempted to populate it. Wareh 19:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gratitude

Thanks for the revert on my user page!--Xnuala (talk) 16:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:OWB

Thank you!! Much appreciate the compliment. Yes, the only reason I keep it in user space is because I wanted it to represent a personal POV -- rather like Raul's Laws (even though others have added to those). I think I started the page in response to the repetitive situation I'd seen of good editors eventually getting fed up and flaming out -- leaving the project in anger -- and not recognizing that this is just the "narrative curve" of all human experience. I'm increasingly thinking that the future of Wikipedia depends on us understanding and managing conflict in the community, as it gets larger. Cheers and thanks again, Antandrus (talk) 17:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Tend to concur with your leanings... which is why I asked for the straw poll last week (VPP-policy. Search 'FrankB') on some of the so called perennial proposals which I feel would serve to mitigate many frictions, and make things more deliberative and reasoned. The current way of doing business is disheartening to those of us with limited time... much to much geared to people without a life off-line. Now that the projects grown to a good size, it needs refined and 'matured', and my analysis means that means we need to conduct business differently. For example, I started WP:TSP because I see a great deal of wasted time over taking away tools from one editor --Or at least, not cost others time -- when t'would be best to leave things in the status quo ante, as well as the obvious benefits of having the same tools in the box if one contributes across project lines. To me the big problem is organizing the documentation and letting others know the tools are about. Cheers! // FrankB 20:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the rvv on my page! Crested Penguin 00:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome--happy to help; let me know if he bothers you again. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

The main problem is Wikipedia is free to edit but at the same time some people police the pages as if they were some sort of sheriff. It's a bit of a joke. If Joseph Haydn, Marco Polo etc...have some link to Croatia I think this needs to be mentioned. It's just silly not to.

Eg Diego Maradona has Croatian blood, his grandmother was born on Korcula(Dalmatia-Croatia) and went to live in Argentina. Diego has a daughter and mother named Dalma, named after the the Dalmatian coast. Now when someone added this under Trivia in Diego's article it was deleted.

Why? If we have proof ..add to article end of story. We have proof that Haydn and Polo has Croatian blood, why hide it???

Evergreen Montenegro1 03:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The key is, as you say yourself, "if we have proof." However, by Wikipedia's own original research policy, we are not the ones to make that determination: we have to use what is on other sources. Recent scholarly studies on Haydn debunk the 100-year-old theory of his being Croatian. Now I am not an expert on this particular topic--I'm more interested in his musical style and influence than his nationality--but if you can find a reliable recent source to back up his having Croatian ancestry, by all means bring it up on the talk page of the article. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 04:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sylvia Mendez

Thanks, I read about her yesterday and I told myself "Tony, you've got to let the world know about this person" so I went and wrote the article. Just goes to show you, the Civil Rights movement was not only an Afro-American thing, it involved many people of all races. Cheers! Tony the Marine 02:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, I forgot to present you with your WoH plaque.

[edit] Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Antandrus, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

-Mschel 12:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] QuasyBoy

Thanks for removing vandalism from my user page, I greatly appreciate it. QuasyBoy 11:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank 'ee kindly!

Nice to know somebody cares. --Orange Mike 01:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

You're both welcome: happy to help. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 5 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Missa L'homme armé super voces musicales, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 09:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another question

Do you know why the text at Talk:Iran is screwed up? The Behnam 05:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Definitely worked. Thanks a lot. Considering my most recent foolish ANI report, I guess this all shows that I really don't understand the technical stuff! Oh well. The Behnam 05:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)