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Contents 1 Archived talk 2 Talk:Banknotes of the Republic of Ireland 3 Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) 4 Biased Edits 5 Derry 6 Unionists and Nationalists 7 Irish Flags 7.1 Re: Ulster Banner 8 Irish Railways 9 IRA 10 thanks re Irish Wikipedians' notice board 11 Legitimacy of the Republic 12 Railways map 13 Republic of the Irish mistake 14 Wikimedia UK/Wikimania 2006 15 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics 16 Vote to move Lost (2004 television series) to Lost (TV series) 17 Hi their - some images for deletion 18 Road signs 19 UL Crest 20 Carrauntoohill 21 General Humbert 22 List of country names in various languages under attack !!! 23 Because... 24 Wikipedia:Babel 25 Londis 26 Naming conventions for television shows (again) 27 Image:EU_map_names_isles.png 28 Move discussion at Lost 29 Bank Of Ireland 30 Save the Game! 31 The Game 32 Passover 33 Newtownmountkennedy 34 Names of European cities in other languages 35 British Isles 36 Proposed Georgia Move 37 Moving 38 JzG 39 Outer Ring Road, Waterford 40 Image tagging for Image:Angry_face.png 41 Transwiki request 42 Northern Ireland mediation 43 England expects that every man will do his duty 44 Single Transferable Vote 45 ITN 46 Irish placenames 47 Cork 48 Check your facts please 49 Cork poll 50 Naming convention 51 Roads in Miles 52 Leinster flag 53 Irish History 54 Harrassment and Racial Slurs 55 FAR Henry VIII of England 56 Coat of Arms of Ireland 57 Category:Roads in Ireland 58 WP on Iraq War WMD

[edit] Archived talk

Older archives/full list of archived sections
Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3, Archive 4, Archive 5, Archive 6, Archive 7, Archive 8, Archive 9

Archive 10 (April-July 2005)
When will I be back?, Wikimaps, Vacations are nice, Editing again?, Bye Zoney, Goodbye, Ireland rail network image, Ghaeilge, images, AE map

[edit] Talk:Banknotes of the Republic of Ireland

Hi Zoney, a very recent discussion started on the above article you will be interested in it as I believe you wrote the paragraph that is under discussion. I believe I have correctly interpreted what you wrote but honestly I dont know enough on the matter of Euro notes. Djegan 17:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles)

You might be interested in the above manual of style that was been worked on sometime ago. Might have relevance in the Dingle controversy! Djegan 21:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks like a one-man-job to me, and American too (see spelling of "favor") -- Picapica 12:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Biased Edits

I'm going to have to take you up on that. Editors have accused me of pushing POV before, and often proceeded to remove factual entries. If you believe any of my edits breach NPOV, by all means bring it to my attention on my or the relevant talk page.

Lapsed Pacifist 09:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

What's the point? You ignore everyone anyway. Nearside 22:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Derry

Their is a proposal to move Derry to Londonderry/Derry!, see Talk:Derry for voting. Djegan 20:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unionists and Nationalists

Re your edit on Northern Ireland: Northern Ireland is an exceptionally complex place, as you and I both know. It is however wrong to equate votes for Nationalist and Unionist parties as evidence of actual support for the two categories. (For example, Ian Paisley, incredibly, gets a lot of Nationalist votes! John Hume got a lot of Unionist votes.) While Sinn Féin likes to project the idea that there are pretty much the same number of Nationalists and Unionists, with Nationalists overtaking Unionists eventually, that is not the case. Detailed survey data on the baseline definition of Nats and Uns &mdash the issue of the Union versus Unity, shows that the Union has the support of around 60% of NI, including the vast majority of Protestants and 30%+ of Catholics. So equating support for parties (which involves person appeal, policy, geography, etc and not just the 'big' issue) with support for Unionism and Nationalism is simplistic and misleading. Slán FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland coa.png\^{(caint) 00:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] Irish Flags

Hello Zoney,

I note that you were the original editor of the following image: . I have commented on the image page, and the Provinces of Ireland talk page that the Ulster flag was wrong. It would be great if you could fix it using this image: Image:Provincial Ulster Flag.gif. Thanks.

On another point I note your edit on the Northern Ireland flag. The "Ulster Banner" is the official name of the flag, as sourced at the bottom of the page.

Regards, Jonto 00:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

• I went ahead and corrected the red hand on the flag, so it's now right. --JW1805 16:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Ulster Banner

As said, "Ulster banner" is the flag's official name, as sourced from the Flags of the World site on that page. From experience the term is not used that often - the most common term being "Ulster Flag", so I don't see how removing it is going to make any difference. From the article's title of "Flag of Northern Ireland, so I don't think you can get any clearer than that. I think it is also explained pretty well.

I also think it is a matter of debate as to whether "Ulster" in an article on NI is a "POV" term as you put it (this is actually your POV!!). This is a very complex issue because the word is used in many contexts - cultural, political, geographical, historical, sporting, as an identity, and often mainly because "Ulster" is 2 syllables and "Northern Ireland" is 4 syllables! Depending on your POV and context Ulster has 9 counties, 6 counties, or perhaps most significantly and accurately is a cultural region with no exact boundary. There is a distinct Ulster/Ulster-Scot identity in NI (and also in some areas in the Republic, mainly Donegal where many people have an almost identical accent and a close relationship to those in NI), of which the existence of Northern Ireland plays a crucial role in upholding this identity. Therefore, to supress such information is actually causing offence to many Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. I think this issue of Ulster identity and the cultural region does not seem to be mentioned on wikipedia, and the Ulster article actually needs some work to bring it up to scratch.

Regards, Jonto 00:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Zoney. I wish to use the provinces image for non commercial use. Do i need to credit you as the author and if so how should i do this? what form of credit words? DA

[edit] Irish Railways

Hi Zoney,

Reading your extensive articles on rail in Ireland is getting me interested. Can you recommend a book or two? I'm interested in reading about the history of the building of the network and the politics of its destruction. Seabhcán 11:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. "Johnson's atlas and Gazetteer of the Railways of Ireland" sounds like the one to get - but its very expensive on Amazon! I'll have to keep an eye open in second hand book shops. Cheers. Seabhcán 15:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IRA

You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland coa.png\^{(caint) 21:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] thanks re Irish Wikipedians' notice board

Zoney, Thanks for the words of praise on the Cloughjordan article and also for informing me of the "Irish Wikipedians' notice board".

Kenguest 03:53, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Legitimacy of the Republic

That's a bit harsh. Adams said at the '05 Ard Fheis:

"Sinn Féin is accused of recognising the Army Council of the IRA as the legitimate government of this island. That is not the case...I do not believe that the Army Council is the government of Ireland. Such a government will only exist when all the people of this island elect it. Does Sinn Féin accept the institutions of this state as the legitimate institutions of this state? Of course we do. But we are critical of these institutions. We are entitled to be."

Lapsed Pacifist 01:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Railways map

Hi there, just a gentle reminder of my query on the above, now archived --Ryano 17:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, might have a stab at it when time allows --Ryano 20:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of the Irish mistake

Thanks for pointing that out. I was hoping some linguists would pick that up. Unusual for these times, I learnt my Irish orally in the Rosses so my written Irish grammar is awful. Afn 12:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia UK/Wikimania 2006

Hi, this is a circular to Wikipedians in Ireland to draw your attention to Wikimedia UK, where the establishment of a local Wikimedia chapter for the United Kingdom (and possibly for the Republic of Ireland) is being discussed. See the talk page, as well as the mailing list; a meetup will take place to discuss matters in London in September, for anyone who can get there. On another topic, plans are being drawn up for a UK bid for Wikimania 2006, which would be conveniently close to Ireland. On the other hand, Dublin's bid was one of the final three last year - might we bid again? --Kwekubo 19:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics

You might be interestd to have a look. Regards --Pgreenfinch 12:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vote to move Lost (2004 television series) to Lost (TV series)

Hi. Just a quick note that we're voting (again) on renaming/moving the LOST article, this time to the shorter Lost (TV series). As you were a participant in the previous vote, please register your support or opposition here: Talk:Lost (2004 television series) Thanks! LeFlyman 05:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi their - some images for deletion

Hi Zoney, I am just mailing you as a matter of formality as their is a number of images that I put up for deletion that are now obsolete. These are images we jointly worked on. Hope alls well, regards. Djegan 20:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:CoWaterfordCity.png, Image:CoLimerickCity.png, Image:CoCorkCity.png, Image:CoGalwayCity.png, Image:CoDublinCity.png

[edit] Road signs

The uploader was asked for a source and hadn't provided one. They didn't tag them to say they'd made them themselves. (they didn't provide any information at all). Some websites do have UK road signs - ones connected with passing the driving test - and have licensed them from the UK government. Secretlondon 23:03, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UL Crest

Regarding the crest controversy I have replyed in detail on my talk page - your should know me better than that, i dont pick things up that fall off the backs of lorrys. Congrads by the way, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Limerick may interest you. Djegan 23:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Carrauntoohill

You left a comment in January that Carrantuohill should be renamed Carrauntoohill since the OSI spell it that way. Well, I've decided to open that can of worms, and put it to the vote. I thought you might want to take part. --Stemonitis 09:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] General Humbert

This entire article was lifted from the Irish politics wiki. Do you think that this is permissible?--File Éireann 15:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of country names in various languages under attack !!!

Dear Zoney,

Fáilte! The List of country names in various languages, List of European regions with alternative names, List of European cities with alternative names, List of European rivers with alternative names, and others, have come under attack by a certain Mikka, who, having just stumbled into all these lists, having found them of little use to himself, and having repeatedly ridiculed them and their users, has then promptly filed a petition to delete the lists in question.

Please cast your vote to keep these valuable, informative, and indeed fascinating lists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of country names in various languages.

Thanks! Pasquale 16:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

A user is trying to have the Template:Irish Republic infobox deleted. Your comments would be welcome. FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 22:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] Because...

This project can demonstrate what collaboration through the internet can trully accomplish; and we need your help! - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 00:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You've made wonderful contributions to Wikipedia, and its an increasingly useful resource.--File Éireann 17:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Babel

Could you consider adding this template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Londis

Only in Britain :)

Londis in Ireland is ADM, Londis in GB is Musgrave. --Kiand 22:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Your comments would be welcome at Prime Minister. One user, without even bothering to go through the proper procedures, wants to rename the article Prime minister and keeps moving it to push that version!!! While there is an article for all uppercasing or all lowercasing, half-casing (which is all WP allows, as all lowercasing is not possible in article titles) would produce a semi-literate mess that would make WP a laughing stock. A student who writes the title that way in an essay earns an instant fail because it is seen as such a monumental clanger. With all the attacks WP is under right now, the last thing WP needs is to make it look as though it does not know how to write the title of the office of premier correctly. What next? Lord mayor? United states?

Felix Dies Nativitatis

FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions for television shows (again)

I saw that you were active in the first vote for naming conventions of television program(mes). Well it has raised it's ugly head again and I would appreciate any comments you have to make about my new proposal for naming television shows. Please leave comments here. Thanks! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 21:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:EU_map_names_isles.png

Hiya. I was wondering if in maps Image:EU_map_names_isles.png and Image:EU_blank_no_rivers_territories256.png you could perhaps update/fix them, so that the Republic of Macedonia is colored (and its name written) like an official candidate state. Thank you very much!

If you are not so involved with Wikipedia anymore, or otherwise don't have the time for this, then may I please ask that you email me the original Photoshop/Paintshop/whatever-program-you-used files so that I can perhaps more easily do the change myself? Thanks again and in advance! Aris Katsaris 08:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to know which map you based Image:EU_blank_no_rivers_territories256.png on; I'd like to use it as a basis for a map for List of European Union member states, but the aliased borders make it impossible for me to colour states differently, so I'd like to have the original file if possible. Thanks for your help! —Nightstallion (?) 10:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move discussion at Lost

Hey, Zoney. I know that you're not that active any more, but I noticed that you'd edited just a few days ago so I thought I'd let you know that there's yet another Lost-related move discussion underway at Talk:Lost. This one is about whether Lost should be a disambiguation page (as it is currently) or a redirect to Lost (TV series), with the disambiguation content moved to Lost (disambiguation). Since you'd voted in earlier Lost-related move discussions, I thought you might be interested in this one. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

An WP:RFAR is being opened against Lapsed Pacifist over his POV editwarring. Please add your experiences with him to it. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 18:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bank Of Ireland

Hi, I noticed that you placed Bank of Ireland in the UK banks template, but last time I checked that bank was based in the Republic of Ireland. ABN Amro for example, is a bank that is active in the USA. Does that make it an American Bank? Billtheking 19:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Save the Game!

Help us track down verifiable sources to bring The Game back! Go to SaveTheGame.org! Bkkbrad 20:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Game

Hi, I am investigating the origins of The Game. You were amongst the first people to edit The Game (game) article. Could you tell me who first told you about The Game and when? Thanks, Kernow 12:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passover

Hi Zoney, we're looking for editorial input on the appropriateness of the section "Passover in the Christian tradition," which was summarily excised by an editor and placed in a new article, called Passover in the Christian tradition. Knowing that you have contributed your thoughts on this matter in the past, I am inviting you to do so again. Fishhead64 06:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newtownmountkennedy

Hi, Thanks for updating the Irish name today, I was delighted to see that. One thing I've learned about WP is that if you create a stub for re-links, even if you don't know very much on the subject, it makes it more likely that others will add what they know. And NTMK is perfect evidence of that.--Rye1967 05:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names of European cities in other languages

Well done and thanks for restoring this useful article, as per the majority wish in the AfD discussion :-) – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 10:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we all applaud Zoney's wheel-warring. You could have waited until the deletion review finished. You'd have gotten the same result without slapping me in the face. Mackensen (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

No insult to Mackensen intended from my point of view, and I'm sorry if my support of Zoney's action has offended you. I'm sure your deletion was thoroughly well-intentioned, despite happening to disagree with it. Thanks to you too, for your work. I must say though, I was horrified to learn that an article deletion also deletes the article's history. Perhaps administrators get to look back, but there's no obvious way for mere mortals to consult the history of deleted articles. I had no clear idea of the time and date you intended to delete the article, and so was unable to save a local copy of the ultimate version. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 12:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I did not undelete the city names article just to spite you or something. I saw it referred to from an article (in a valid context), and having previously viewed the article, I was curious as to why it was red-linked.

I checked the page, and was rather shocked to see a page of 2000+ edits deleted. Nevertheless, I assumed there was a deletion debate I had missed, so I checked out the deleted history (for some reason the talk page was left without a deleted notice pointing to the debate).

Having seen that the deletion was applied under erroneous circumstances (there was no consensus to delete. Consensus may be a subjective thing, but it's certainly >50%), I undeleted. I would have posted to votes for undeletion if it had been validly deleted, but as its deletion had not been accepted on the Afd page, I didn't see that as necessary.

Apologies for not posting you a notice.

zoney ♣ talk 13:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• I think undeleting this may have been premature and out of process. It may have been better to wait for the Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_June_28#Names_of_cities_in_different_languages DRV to run its course. Making an independent judgement that the deletion was wrong and acting unilaterally rather than taking it to DRV, (and then learning there is a DRV ongoing) may not be the best approach, it does smack of wheel warring a bit. But then I'm a bit of a process wonk so... ++Lar: t/c 14:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I considered the deletion "out of process", and as such, I considered it merely an operational matter to restore the page. Rest assured that in no circumstances would I have unilaterally restored a page that had indeed been voted for deletion on AFD. I had no knowledge that the deletion was the issue of some debate. In fact, the actual deletion debate itself was not posted to the deleted talk page, and I had to rely on the deleted history to find out what had happened. Having viewed the AfD page, the matter seemed straightforward. zoney ♣ talk 14:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Refactored the above comment from my talk, let's keep the thread together... (I do use watchlists and am watching this page) A few points. There is a process for contesting a deletion, it's called Deletion Review. Restoring something while that process is ongoing is probably not appropriate. Acting unilaterally sometimes is good but not when it overturns and wheelwars with another admin ths way. Second, AfD is not a vote. The nosecount is not the only measure of consensus. I happen to think Mackenson erred in deleting this, but my recourse (I am an admin as well) was not to undelete unilaterally, but rather to comment on the ongoing DrV that the close should be overturned and the articles undeleted. Your undeletion actually weakens the case for a proper undeletion, in my view, at least marginally. ++Lar: t/c 14:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
    • My actions were wholly in process. The five days were past. I gave my reasons, closed the debate, and deleted the pages with links to the debate in the edit summaries. Whether you agree with the result does not affect whether the action was in process or not. The proper route to appeal was the one taken: Deletion Review. I wholly support David's listing there, and wonder why you thought this was insufficient. Mackensen (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
      • My reason for action was that I considered the "result" to be absolutely in opposition to the closure action (patently absurd in fact - even if nosecount is not the main measure for AfD, one cannot possibly stretch "consensus" to mean "less than half those involved in the debate"). If I had merely disagreed with the result I would have indeed attempted to bring the article before Deletion Review (in this case, have contributed to the existing debate). zoney ♣ talk 14:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Apologies, having reviewed Wikipedia:Undeletion policy, it seems Wikipedia: Deletion Review should have indeed been my first port of call, even had I considered the deletion "out of process". zoney ♣ talk 14:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles

You might want to look at British Isles. A group of users have been pushing the claim that the term is exclusively geographic and have posted abusive edit summaries attacking any Irish person who edits the page to point out the complexity of the Ireland's relationship with the British Isles, accusing them of "Irish nationalist POV-pushing". Even when the sources they demanded are added it they still revert all the time. (One of them recently tried to delete any mention of the fact that Lough Neagh is on the island of Ireland. He only wanted it stated that it was in the British Isles!!! That is the nature of some of the editors' agendas.) The same users seem to be editing a set of pages to delete or downplay mention of Ireland. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments at Talk:British Isles. zoney ♣ talk 15:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Georgia Move

As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested_Move_-_July_2006. Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 03:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving

"Anyways, if the contents remaining at freeway are to be moved, we will be using the move page function, not cut-and-paste."

I know that - but I'd then have to cut and paste everything that relates to more than the US back into freeway. --SPUI (T - C) 18:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JzG

This user will not quit. He has vandalized my talkpage numerous times over the past three days

• Today he deleted comments of other users with no explanation[1], protecting my talkpage[2] without any justification, deleting my response to his harassment on my talkpage with the bizarre edit summary "Since you are saying goodbye, let's assume you mean it, eh?", and then leaving this threatening message to intimidate me into leaving[3].

Before that he vandalized my talkpage[4]. Then when I reverted another user assumed he was right and reverted to JzG's version, but realized he was wrong and apologized. I was cordially and said it was alright. JzG has left numerous uncivil comments on my talkpage that can be viewed if one goes through the history of the page. He has also repeatedly been warned. I want him blocked immediately. Tchadienne 22:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outer Ring Road, Waterford

Okay, I am really annoyed at you moving this page. Did it cross your mind that the article was given that title for a reason?

• The R710 is NOT the whole of the Waterford Ring Road, but merely 6.8km of the 7.8km of it.
• The Outer Ring Road, Waterford refers to two roads, what is the point of putting it in a article called the R710?
• I had put the proper links from 'R710' and 'R710 Road' to this page.

Did you even read the article?

I am going to revert back to what was there before. Thanks for wasting my time. Please note in the future that a single message to an editor who has produced an article, or a topic on the discussion page, can get things done without causing unnecessary work for people or annoying people!

If there is some aspect of this that isin't clear, send me a message!

So there can't be an article on the outer ring road then? That's garbage!

I referred to the fact that the R710 is often referred to as the outer ring road, not that it was the outer ring road. The outer ring road -- including the phase one -- is indicated as such the Waterford City Street Map, 2nd edition. What is the problem?

Could you please tell me why you think that your edits and interpretations of wikipedia should be final? Are you aware that there are other editors?

Shoehorning the outer ring road into an R710 article is simply inaccurate. If you want to talk about the R710, why can't it be done in a separate article? I wanted to create an article on the outer ring road, not the R710. Does this mean that you are going to delete an 'Outer Ring Road, Waterford' article now if I create one? Merlante 13:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine, if the phase one section has been re-designated the R710. My OS Waterford City map indicates that it is not a regional route, which is why I say re-designated. As a matter of interest, where did you get this information from?

(Otherwise it would have been incorrect to put both road sections in the R710 article. The outer ring road ought to have an article, because it's important to Waterford people. If it refers directly to the R710 then there is no problem calling the article the R710. Otherwise it should be named the 'outer ring road', which is what appears on maps, no matter how many road sections it is composed of.)

All's well that ends well then I suppose. (Providing your reference checks out. ;) )

Okay Zoney, fair enough. :)

Good to know where all that information can be found.

No problem. I've been through the wars recently on wikipedia, and seeing my newest addition renamed, when I thought there was a real objection to it being renamed, put me back in that frame of mind. All I want to do is get things right, the same as yourself. Still, I might suggest that you drop me a message the next time; we'd have had this sorted out quicker and with less aggro I reckon. Thanks for your comments about my content. :) Merlante 13:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Just an FYI on your last comment. I was using the OSI Waterford City Street Map, 2nd Ed. It labels the new section of the road in blue & white shading, indicating a road under construction. It shades the phase one section in white, indicating an 'other road'. Both sections are called the outer ring road on the map.

btw., I think the entire road may be 6.8km in total, since we've established that phase one is part of it. I estimated the 1km phase one from the map. (Which is why I said 'about'.) Must look into it. Merlante 13:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Again FYI, actually the article seems to be right the way it is about the 7.8km: [5] indicates that the section between Farranshoneen and the Cork road is 6.8km. Merlante 14:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Transwiki request

User:Evertype suggested you might be able to transwiki [6] from what i could make out this artical has a lot of information thanks (Gnevin 21:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Northern Ireland mediation

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[edit] England expects that every man will do his duty

England expects that every man will do his duty is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 00:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single Transferable Vote

You nominated this at FAR here and it's now due to be removed. I just wanted to double-check, as some work had been done, what your thoughts on it are. Marskell 05:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ITN

Thank you very much for the kind words you left on my handling of ITN. :) It is sometimes an uphill battle, and sometimes standards change, but while we have the ones we have, I'll defend them. :) --Golbez 18:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish placenames

Did you add the irish placename to the Hillsborough, County Down article? If so, why is it the same as Crumlin, County Antrim?Traditional unionist 23:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually just got that Lisburn CC page. But the two villages are so close, surely it would be odd that they would be called precisely the same thing.Traditional unionist 23:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cork

Hi Zoney,

Their is a proposal to move Cork, see talk:Cork#Survey. Regards. Djegan 12:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Check your facts please

If you're not following the discussion, please don't comment on it. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 15:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cork poll

I think I can be bold and close the poll, when it's not going to result in anything more than a repetion of the arguments we've seen before. I voted against moving, twice, but clearly that was a bad idea. The article is going to be moved, because there's not an admin yet that seems to think that moving it was wrong. What's the point in having a pretend vote when it won't matter anyway ? Far better to have a look at all the crap that links to Cork-the-city, and see if that's where it should link to. I have major doubts that that's the case with what I saw looking at the links to Cork City (now another dab page, used to be redirect). If you don't agree with me closing the poll, open it again. Bloody waste of time though. No point in crying over spilt milk. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm an admin that thinks moving it was wrong! zoney ♣ talk 22:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

(Take two) I had forgotten that; I sit corrected. Take it as a complement as most admins that I remember it's for bad reasons. If you fancy using your superpowers in a good cause, keep an eye on Cork City so that it stay sredirects to Cork (city). Whatever you or I might think of the rationale for Cork being a dab page, making these dabs is just a piece of nonsense. I was going to mention Cork city, but you'd already changed that. Time for bed I think, before I get too stupid and grumpy. Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I remain truly sorry that you were unhappy with the action I took. It reflected consensus as I saw it and I hope you will accept that I acted with the best interests of the encyclopedia we are writing together at heart. In changing 732 of the links (as I promised), I think I also added much valuable information to it. See Special:Contributions/Spellmaster and Image:Awbtrawlofcorkdone.jpg for details. Best wishes, --Guinnog 04:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming convention

I noticed you comments on the article on the DRC general elections and thought you might be interested in a proposal I have:

The current naming convention for elections is:

Use the format "Demonym type election, date", for example "Canadian federal election, 1867"... (WP:NAME#Elections}

I propose this is changed to allow two alternatives, as follows:

Use either this form: political division type election, date, or this form: political division election of date. For example, Canadian federal election, 1867 or Canadian federal election of 1867. Where an article has been created using one form, do not move the article to the other form.

This new option would make linking more natural and make the article names more encyclopedic.

Please comment on this proposal at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#New elections proposal

Thanks AndrewRT(Talk) 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roads in Miles

Zoney, some dude is adding (miles) in brackets after all distances in kilometers to the various road pages (see N6 for example). id this kosher, given Eire measures everything in k? (Sarah777 21:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

I think it's pretty silly; Wikipedia isn't here to provide conversions, and it clutters up the pages unnecessarily. Still, not too much harm I guess. I won't be adding in miles conversions myself anytime soon. zoney ♣ talk 20:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leinster flag

Hi there, I am Daniele "Kanchelskis", the main creator of Irish portal on it.wiki. We had some troubles about Leinster flag: some admins wanted to delete the one uploaded on italian database (this) because of the presence of some clones on commons, but they cannot decide if it's a good or bad thing. The flag you made shows a darker green, while the "italian" one has an emerald green. Is there any law or official document for the correct green? Searching on google, the dark version is only from wikipedia and clones, while other sites show a very lighter version. Thank you and sorry for my bad english. Kanchelskis —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.136.83 (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Irish History

You seem like you have a lot a knowledge with respect Irish history so maybe you would like to comment on the historic basis of this term here Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-02 IRA 'Volunteer' usage —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DownDaRoad (talk • contribs) 20:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Harrassment and Racial Slurs

Hi Zoney, I was wondering what you might think of the comments this user left on my talk page [7] [8]

The "harrassment" was because I put a "please do not remove other editors comments from talk pages" template on a users page. The second seems to be an implication that because I am Irish I am a liar. Thoughts? -- Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 01:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAR Henry VIII of England

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[edit] Coat of Arms of Ireland

The large coat of arms is still be commented on. Maybe you can lend a word or two? Djegan 14:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

crisis averted. Djegan 15:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Roads in Ireland

Just thought you should know, recently a user has taken it upon themselves to move all of the RoI N based roads out of the "Category:Roads in the Republic of Ireland", and into the "Category:Roads in Ireland", therefore making a mockery of the category hierarchy system. In addition they have added "Category:Roads in Ireland" to all the articles in the "National Primary Roads" template to said category as well, making even more category confusion in the categories and subcategories. Unfortunately the user that has made the alterations has publically stated that they refuse to be bound by the Wikipedia conventions and use the name "Republic of Ireland" at any point and doesn't recognise the term, which is a shame as other than this one point the user makes some very good edits. Ben W Bell talk 22:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP on Iraq War WMD

Hi Zoney. I noticed you were in at the start of this article on the lead up to the war, and I thought you might be able to help me. What I'm looking for is a record of the pre-March '03 Wikipedia discussions about reports of the governments' WMD claims. I'd just like to see how well NPOV was being applied by editors before the lack of WMDs became clear. So many articles have sprung up following the war that it's difficult to locate where the original discussions might have taken place. I'd appreciate it if you pointed me in the right direction. Thanks.--Shtove 21:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)