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The result of the debate was delete (~5 keep, ~13 delete). — FireFox • T [21:23, 6 April 2006]

[edit] Not a Number Technologies

Blender (software) is notable, the defunct company that made an early version is not The company name returns 396 google hits and seems to fail WP:CORP also. JoshuaZ 21:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, it was once notable, since it once was the company that distributed Blender. Many companies that were once notable have articles (ex. Macromedia, which is now part of Adobe and thus no longer exists). Where ^(talk) 23:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Blender isn't quite Adobe. Delete as NN. RGTraynor 18:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete, if their only reason for notability is one piece of software, then perhaps merge any of this info to the software's page? --Deville (Talk) 01:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep or merge the article into Ton Roosendaal --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge If all they were notable for was a notable software they should be there, not have a separate article that has no hope of being significantly expanded. JoshuaZ 01:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes WP:KIT. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-03-31 01:39

• Comment Er... um... the Pokemon test isn't a real test, and in any event, if we went by that test seriously then it would probably be more inclusive than even the most extreme inclusionists. The relevant test is WP:CORP and this doesn't meet it. JoshuaZ 01:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable corporation. Brian G. Crawford 02:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Brian G. Crawford. Funnybunny 02:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• I know this is somewhat unorthodox thinking, but bare with me. When we have a band that's a one-hit wonder, WP:BAND says that not only is the song notable, but the band is now notable as well, even if they were to never release another song in their entire career. Along the same lines, I think a company that releases notable software, even if they only last 4 years before bankruptcy (like NaN), is similarly notable. Therefore, I say keep. (However, if consensus becomes to delete, I recommend the merge and redirect be to Ton Roosendaal, as it makes more sense to mention NaN in that intro paragraph than in Blender's.) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the Ton Roosendaal article is one line, so a merge/redirect wouldn't do any more than a page move. Not to mention, the article has little potential to be expanded. We'd all agree that the Baha Men, a one-hit wonder band that comes to mind, were a little more significant than a startup/bankrupt company. --Jay(Reply) 03:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable corporation. Ifnord 03:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Non notable, as per Ifnord.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 05:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. Eusebeus 07:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn. --Terence Ong 11:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Interesting point about bands - but quite a different market. Marcus22 13:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a graveyard of dead dotcoms. They might even outnumber Pokémons. Sandstein 17:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Blender (software). -- JLaTondre 17:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable corporation perBrian G. Crawford. - the.crazy.russian (T) (C) (E) 18:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to either Blender (software) or Ton Roosendaal. - Drahcir 05:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep once notable always notable. Wiki is not paper. Jcuk 15:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Blender (software). The article has no merit on its own. —Cuiviénen, Saturday, 1 April 2006 @ 23:47 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep . — FireFox • T [21:24, 6 April 2006]

[edit] Stargate: Battle for Mankind

Cruft mod--Zxcvbnm 00:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge a notable and succesfull mod for the Battlfield series with thousands players over its lifetime as well as orginal content. Verifiable, notable, and with thousands of hits on google. Kraf 02:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note that the above user recreated a deleted page(s) that was deleted for being cruft.--Zxcvbnm 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. Funnybunny 01:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep or redirect to List of Battlefield 1942 mods --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or Keep. Notable enough for making a complete article.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 05:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. The string "Stargate: Battle for Mankind" only gets 766 hits on google, hardly thousands.--Drat (Talk) 06:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to List of Battlefield 1942 mods. --Terence Ong 12:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or Keep as per Kraf. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Its for battlefield Vietnam, not 1942... --MrWiddim 04:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Not according to the article. -- Saberwyn 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or Keep there is a large audience for Stargate related entertainment and an even wider audience of game fanatics. Perhaps the article could be improved, but that's not sufficient reason to get rid of it. Ande B 04:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. --MaNeMeBasat 07:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Googling the following searchstring ["Stargate: Battle for Mankind" battlefield -wikipedia] results in 118 unique hits from 642 total results. [Stargate "Battle for Mankind" battlefield -wikipedia] gives 126 unique from 785. Amongst the top entries, I cannot find any critical reviews for this mod, or any evidence presented backing up the claims of popularity. If such verifiable information (from reliable sources) can be provided, I will reconsider. -- Saberwyn 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Remy B 14:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn, cruft mod. Radagast83 20:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge to MediaWiki. Mailer Diablo 16:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimail

Non-notable vanity. Wikipedia needs not articles about functions in the MediaWiki software. Delete. Off! 21:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Wikipedia. Mikker ^... 16:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge per above. Funnybunny 00:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into MediaWiki, as Wikimail is available on all MediaWiki powered websites --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to MediaWiki, per TBC. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 05:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to MediaWiki per TBC. --Terence Ong 12:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to MediaWiki as above. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to MediaWiki as above. Non-notable MediaWiki feature. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 12:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per above Bridesmill 18:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above --Ugur Basak 21:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --Latinus 23:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki to meta or Move to Wikipedia or Help namespace. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --{{subst:user|4836.03}} 06:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 11:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Freedman

Incomplete nomination by Toughlove – Ezeu 17:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable.--Ezeu 17:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable, as the article currently stands. --Oscarthecat 17:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep cant help feeling that playing to royalty is notable, and that winning the magic circle close up magician of the year [1] ought to be too. Jcuk 19:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, as notable within his field[2]. Adrian Lamo · (talk) · (mail) · 20:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). — FireFox • T [21:26, 6 April 2006]

[edit] StreamSQL

Found this on prod and I think it deserves an afd. This is surely ad copy that needs to be rewritten NPOV. Mentions in popular media: MSNBC/Forbes.com Washington Post (though trivial) eWeek [3] [4] [5] [6] database journal [7] and more on google. No vote yet. kotepho 20:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Full disclosure - I was the one who prodded it. Now much cleaned up but I find the notability a bit suspect. Dlyons493 Talk 21:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: this article is certainly ad copy. --Deville (Talk) 04:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Revised, NPOV, and facts added Updated article based on above feedback.(DMParent 22:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC))

• Weak keep or merge anything important to Michael Stonebraker or SQL --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Don't delete I think this article will sort itself out as standardization efforts progress. I killed off the marketing and added more techincal detail. Tibbetts2c 21:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Reverting to Strong Delete. Adding The leading company in StreamSQL implementation and standardization is StreamBase Systems. (complete with link) doesn't equate to killed off the marketing in my mind. Note that Tibbetts2c's only edits have been to this article (created by User:Sbmarketing) Dlyons493 Talk Dlyons493 21:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I think this is decent enough for me to vote keep. kotepho 21:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Killed the implementation section entirely. That addresses the above point. There are multiple commercial entities using StreamSQL-like approaches to solving this problem now, so I vote to keep it.

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The result of the debate was Keep, possibly merge. Merging can be discussed on Talk:Lens mount. Stifle 23:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Focusing lens mount

Not certain this is an actual term. Seems to be somewhat describing lens mount, which is already covered, but strangely that article was started by the same anonymous user, so I think (s)he intended to describe separate terms. English might not be their first language (IP is in NYC); I suspect that "lens focusing element(s)" might be something closer to what is meant, but can't be sure. Nonetheless, Googling for "focusing lens mount" doesn't seem to turn up much relevant to what is discussed in the article. Anyone with further knowledge, please proffer it! Girolamo Savonarola 20:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know anythign about it, but if it's verifiable, I think it should be merged to lens mount. JPD (talk) 16:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to lens mount or perhaps autofocus --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge as above. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-03-31 01:38
• Delete Never heard of it, there is nothing of value to add to lens mount and I cannot see the usefulness of a redirect. Egil 03:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per TBC. --Terence Ong 12:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge as per Emailuser. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. Sandstein 17:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment how are we to merge something that no one yet seems to be able to verify or understand anything about? I'm not against merging, but let's be honest here, who would do this and how? Girolamo Savonarola 19:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to lens mount. Green Giant 00:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It seems the idea is to differentiate between lens deigned for use with View cameras were focusing is done by moving the lens mount and a lens for a camera were the lens mount is fixed. This info is already in the Photographic lens article. Merging it into the lens mount article would not make sense because it’s describing a property of lenses and not lens mounts. Seano1 00:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• merge with lens mount please Yuckfoo 06:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was:Speedy deleted as a non-notable bio. --InShaneee 01:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mario Barnaba

vanity article Rklawton 01:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per CSD. dcandeto 01:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fabula DiBeaumarchais

Not notable - only a handful of Ghits outside wiki mirrors. Prod tag disputed, so bringing it here. Note I've prodded the site GayCork also.

• Delete as per my nom. Dlyons493 Talk 01:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:VANITY--TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable, likely vanity. Bucketsofg 01:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete anyone could do a drag.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all --Deville (Talk) 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn-bio, vanity. --Terence Ong 12:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, vanity --HolyRomanEmperor 14:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn-bio --Ugur Basak 21:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Latinus 23:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Also check GayCork again, "prod" tag deleted there. --John Nagle 18:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as combination of A7 biography, A6 attack page and general silliness. Capitalistroadster 03:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evan Shoenberg

vanity article - should be usified Rklawton 01:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete CSD A7 -- He is "actually a mummy brought back to life" and stole "a space pod". I'd go for creative writing over med school -- Samir (the scope) 01:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, nonsense, non-notable, and vanity --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, as per TBC - would make a great Wikipedia contributor/editor, though Rklawton 01:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. vanity; patent nonsense. Bucketsofg 01:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: A7, obviously. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kepco

Delete. Request for significance was removed without explanation. Non-notable company. discospinster 01:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CORP and WP:SPAM --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This is bad, even for SPAM. As short as it is, I still managed to find a factual error and bad grammar. Rklawton 01:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable private company. Dlyons493 Talk 01:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, article makes no claim that the subject meets WP:CORP, and it likely doesn't. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, article asserts no notability. JIP | Talk 06:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn company and spam. --Terence Ong 12:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable. joturner 12:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. _-M ^o P-_ 16:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. - Wezzo (talk) (ubx) 18:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn-company --Ugur Basak 21:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Latinus 23:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete promo spam. David Hoag 08:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mister Misadventure

Non-notable comic. 4 Google hits. Speedy tag pulled once and prod tag pulled twice because of added content. Still not notable, though. Delete. DMG413 01:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:WEB; no Alexa ranking [8]. --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 01:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable but also violates WP:BIO. It's written by the comic creator. It's very close to being a CSD-A7 speedy delete really. ॐ Metta Bubble ^puff 01:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn-bio. --Terence Ong 12:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per above. MikeWazowski 14:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Latinus 23:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Bige1977 05:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Placebo security

Self-admitted neologism, supposedly invented by one Ivan Scalise. Gets 83 unique Google hits, many, if not most, not directly related to the alleged original meaning or alleged creator. Was prodded, but tag removed by creator. -- Calton | Talk 01:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as neologism --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 02:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn neologism.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, self-admitted neologism. JIP | Talk 06:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn neologism invented by a random guy. Grandmasterka 08:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, neologism. --Terence Ong 13:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, obviously neologism. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Latinus 23:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, be calm :) I have removed the tag 'cause I have used the term "neologism", and I have seen that neologisms are not always eliminated. I'm present to an university lecture, time ago, and one of the speakers was the "random guy". Some days ago, I was to a lecture on the information security and, in a slide, his thought has been taken back... This way I wanted to share what doesn't seem a "common neologism" with you. I have not created "my personal page", I have shared only a form of thought that I like. Now, if you want, cast the stones! ;) --Torment 12:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabal (rapper)

Doesn't appear to be notable - consists only of an autobiography ripped from website Virogtheconq 01:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as copyvio. --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 02:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable even if the bio was legit. --Deville (Talk) 03:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as per above. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Because it's so unverifiable, how do we know it's not a hoax? How do we know that there is no Kabal? Speedy delete as copyvio. Lord Bob 16:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus--Adam ^(talk) 19:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Hayward

Vanity article from User:Jamesnice - some of them published by what seems to be his own company LTM (which he's been link spamming around various articles). Other by little-known publishers and with very low Amazon rankings. But I'd like the community's opinion on this one.

• Delete as per my nom. Dlyons493 Talk 02:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 02:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Some of his titles may be vanity or POD, but several seem to meet notability standards, most conspicuously "Myths & Legends of the First World War." Note in particular this edition [9]; very few vanity books are reissued in large print editions. The main publisher of the book also looks legit [10]. Monicasdude 02:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Just a hair width shy of vanity per Monicasdude but completely non-notable. Ifnord 03:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Eusebeus 07:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete, not notable enough. Sandstein 17:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. My first two books were self-published, but that is not the same as vanity publishing at all. They have both sold several thousand copies. My later books are for Sutton who are a large UK publisher. Both these books have also appeared in translation abroad, as well as the softback and large print editions. Is the criteria by which a writer or publisher should be judged their 'Amazon ranking'? Surely not. It's pretty naff to have to justify myself in this way, but several of the 'delete' comments are plain wrong. Plenty of other minor writers have written their own Wikipedia entries. It isn't wrong per se. James Hayward. 20:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC) contribs) 19:40, 31 March 2006.
• Keep Notable enough, more notable than some writers with articles. Piccadilly 19:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, worth keeping. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 03:38, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I saw at the time that it was a vanity article but after checking and adding the BBC link I felt it/he was notable enough. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leroy Jefferson

nn hoax bio; Real Salt Lake didn't exist until 2005, the New England Patriots are an NFL team...delete.  RasputinAXP  c 02:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:HOAX. Only 193 unique Google results [11] --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 02:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete hoax Bucketsofg 02:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete hoax.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as (poorly researched) hoax. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, hoax. --Terence Ong 13:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, it is obviously a hoax. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A bit of research i have done. Real Salt Lake didn't exist until 2005, the New England Patriots are an NFL team...delete. color="green">e]] non deletion this could be talking about a youth boys team or matb even a reserve or small team

• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as copyvio. Well spotted Fan 1967. Capitalistroadster 03:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kumar Malavalli

vanity bio of Yet Another Start-up Exec. Calton | Talk 02:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 02:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as copyvio copy-and-paste job (complete with typo from original site: "BROCADE SilkWormÒ family") [12] It's less than 48 hours old. Fan1967 02:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stafford High School Tribe of Pride Marching Band

I attend this school and I have to say - sorry if this offends anyone - this band is not particularly notable. They are one of the best in the county, but that's not saying very much to be honest. And for crying out loud, it's a high school marching band that hasn't won any notable awards - we had such an outcry over the high schools in the first place, so... yeah. (by the way if this goes through then obviously I'm notable too - I've won 1st place in national competitions before) – ugen64 02:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete No obvious notability, little substance to entry (nor potential for expansion). Look forward to multiple articles re ugen64's exploits however. Badgerpatrol 02:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• delete per nom and badgerp Bucketsofg 02:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. If someone wrote an article on the school, I'm sure it would be worth a mention there though. -Dawson 02:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non notable.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable; I would support reasonable and non-vanity information in a future article about the school. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I love marching band and think high school marching bands are particularly great. However, HS marching bands aren't notable enough to be encyclopedic. As others said, could make a nice section in an article about the high school. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per above. JoshuaZ 04:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge -- into an article about the school if such an article exists. - Longhair 05:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Two line article on small aspect of a single high school. Would support a mention of the marching band's existence and name within the article on the high school. Note: Article on the high school does not exist at this time, although Stafford Municipal School District covers the district it is in. -- Saberwyn 06:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The article I nominated is about Stafford High School in Virginia - that school district is in Texas. – ugen64 20:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
    • My bad. It's hard to get it right when the Americans have cities with greater population than my country. -- Saberwyn 23:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable marching band. JIP | Talk 06:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn band. All school bands are non-notable. --Terence Ong 13:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Slightly disagree. If a school band had won multiple national or international level band competitions(presuming they exist, I don't know enough about it) then it could reasonably merit its own article. JoshuaZ 14:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Kinu. youngamerican (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EElementary

Deprodded. This website doesn't register on Alexa. Enough said.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable webpage. Bucketsofg 02:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Interesting, and seems like it could be great someday, but not notable now. Grandmasterka 08:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn website. --Terence Ong 13:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn-website--Ugur Basak 21:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steven Bradley

DELETE - County level candidate (who lost) for political office in South Bend, Indiana in 1999? Has a book out from a vanity publisher? Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder if the creator of this page and the subject are the same. Looking at one of the editor user names, I would say yes. People, if you want to make a self promoting page, at least choose a user name that isn't in anyway related to your own name. Nobunaga24 02:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as vanity page. Brian G. Crawford 02:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:VANITY and WP:BIO --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.Montco 06:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong userfy. This is a really well-written article, although it doesn't have any standard assertion of notability. If this guy is anywhere near as knowledgeable as his vanity article claims, he could be a magnificent editor! Let's give him some encouragement!! Grandmasterka 08:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and userfy, vanity bio. --Terence Ong 13:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, standard yet well-written vanity. _-M ^o P-_ 16:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DeafSpot.net

This is an advertisement. Brein 02:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia isn't an advertising host. Funnybunny 03:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SPAM and WP:WEB --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep.--Adam ^(talk) 22:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The CIA and September 11 (book)

The book has only been published in German, and not in English. I think it needs to be translated and published in English, with the English-language version widely circulated before it meets notability criteria for an article. Another critical issue is Verifiability and reliable sources to really know and verify what the book says. --Aude (talk | contribs) 03:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment. I want to point out here that even dewiki does not have an article about this book; just an article on the author - de:Andreas von Bülow. --Aude (talk | contribs) 17:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I don't see hope for salvaging this article and reconciling the issues with notability, verifiability, and reliable sources. --Aude (talk | contribs) 03:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for the time being. Book should at least be available in English before inclusion. Thatcher131 03:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)Thatcher131 05:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable Change vote to Keep. The article is vastly improved from the original, which was less than stub quality. It now addresses my primary concern, which was notability. Honestly, I would not have imagined that anyone could have taken such a weak starting point and develop the article to its current state. Good work by the editor. Ande B 05:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC) for English language article. Could be mentioned in article about the author Andreas von Bülow. Ande B 03:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Or Merge with related article(s), as I urged on the discussion page when the article was first posted. Ande B 06:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I realy wish I hadn't listed the "not English" language issue in my comment eariler. I see that it has caused some consternation and was not my primary motivation. The book is simply not notable. It has not had a visible social or political effect that warrants separate attention. It is a valid part of the Von Bülow article or any number of conpiracy articles. I read plenty of books and watch plenty of movies that are in languages other than English, and would have no problem with many of them getting their own articles. But this looks more tabloid, yellow press quality to me. (Sorry, I forgot to sign this before Ande B 01:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC))

• Keep please see WP:BIAS boys. Eivind^t@c 05:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • See WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a soapbox, which is more to the point. --Calton | Talk 06:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment best seller in a major market. Eivind^t@c 06:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete MONGO 05:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge because, quite honestly, we only need one article on 9/11 conspiracy theories and this is just a stub for a book that makes the same claim. Why we even have to discuss a book that claims that the damage to the Pentagon was faked by the military is beyond me, but apparently any crazy idea can get in wikipedia as long as there is enough muddying of the waters to close an AfD with "no consensus". Thatcher131 05:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Last time I checked, Wikipedia wasn't Amazon.de. --Calton | Talk 06:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Merge (see below) Relevant content will be referenced under the author; this does not warrant its own entry. Eusebeus 07:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Very Strong Keep. A extremely notable book by an author with an apparently extensive political background. Language or cultural disparity is never a good reason for to delete an article if it has attained sufficient notability, there is a far-reaching precedent that individual books by notable authors get their own articles, and it's ridiculous to think no-one would want to see info on this. Besides, I would consider this to be more than just a stub now. Grandmasterka 09:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Frage: auf welchem Grund, behaupten Sie eine solche Bedeutung? Eusebeus 11:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: If kept, it should be renamed The CIA and September 11. Since there are no other articles with the same name, the "book" disambiguation is unnecessary. -- Kjkolb 11:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• The title is sufficiently confusing that (book) is necessary. Otherwise you get the misimpression that the article is about ties between the CIA and 9-11, not just a book that purports that link. --Mmx1 15:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Terence Ong 13:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge to its author's page. I don't believe a book or movie must be in English for it to be covered on WP, though the article must of course be in English. dw-world.de covered it (in English) as a bestseller, if you follow the link from the article. Esquizombi 14:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's not notable to the english-speaking world because....guess what? we can't read it. Recreate when a translation is available. --Mmx1 15:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Article has been much improved. --Mmx1 14:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment Notability exclusively to the english speaking world isn't a criteria for inclusion in WP AFAIK. I don't know that there is a policy on excluding topics that are notable to foreign-language audiences. There are a lot of subjects that are important (even if this particular book is deemed not to be) that have not been translated into English. I don't know if there is a policy explicitly stating that untranslated books or films, etc. can be included (the absence of a policy that they cannot implies than can IMO) but Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English comes close I think. Esquizombi 15:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Edit: And also Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(books)#Title_translations which is "a naming conventions guideline for the naming of wikipedia articles about books" which states "books that haven't been published in English (yet) are preferably referred to by an English version of the title" which would also appear to indicate articles about books that haven't been translated into English are acceptable. Esquizombi 19:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. But Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English mentions a translation should be done independently and sourced, rather than translation by a Wikipedian, so that the article is verifiable. Given this is a highly controversial topic, I'm loathe to take what the article here says about "Contents" of the book, without proper references and preferably an english translation of the book that I can look at. --Aude (talk | contribs) 17:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
      • WP:BIAS is somewhat relevant here. And it is verifiable, because any of the numerous German speakers on this wikipedia can verify it (such as Señor Eusebeus, who responded to me.) Grandmasterka 17:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment Actually, the RS does NOT say that Wikipedians cannot do translations. It indicates they may be "performed by a Wikipedia editor" and that it is OK for "editors [to] use their own English translation." Certainly it is generally better (as stated there) to use outside translations (though sometimes a wikipedian may be able to provide a better translation than the ones available elsewhere). This isn't so much an issue with this article, which does cite to english language sources and external links. Esquizombi 18:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment. I would like "the opportunity to verify for myself what the original material actually said". But, I can't do that here. Given the book is so popular in Germany, it's likely in due time that there will be an English translated version of the book. At that time, I wouldn't object to an article here. Until then, I have problems with being able to verify the article. --Aude (talk | contribs) 19:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Comment It seems to me you're cherry-picking that guideline which states "In principle, readers should have the opportunity to verify for themselves what the original material actually said" (emphasis added). And again, that's not an issue anyway because there isn't any translation of the contents of the book in the article, rather it appears it was composed by reference to english language articles about the book which given that WP is a tertiary source is acceptable. If there were translated text from the book you could order the book and a German/English dictionary or plop passages into Babelfish and get an idea as to whether the translation may be accurate or not. But again, there's not, so that's not an issue. Would there be a good place on WP to discuss the broader issue of articles about untranslated subjects?Esquizombi 19:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, it's not giving any credence to its notability when it's not on de.wikipedia.org [13]. The best it gets is a line in Andreas von Bülow [14] -- Samir (the scope) 16:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Using the deWP to argue a topic is not notable is weak, IMO. There are plenty of English-language books, films etc. that meet WP's notability criteria and are not on the enWP yet, but that doesn't mean they're not notable. Esquizombi 16:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Not weak, in my opinion. A claimed #3 best seller in English is probably on the English wikipedia. I haven't been swung over by claims of sales which are unreferenced. Provide a better reference of its claim to notability than german.about.com. Until then, I take the absence on the German wikipedia to be telling -- Samir (the scope) 01:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment I repeat, I don't think the absence of an article on the deWP proves it is not notable, any more than the absence of an article about an English language book on this WP proves the book is not notable. It only proves nobody has added one yet. There's no article on Barbara Hodgson, for example, or any of her several critically acclaimed and award-winning books, one of which is being adapted into a film (I should work on that). Additionally, the dewiki only has "378.316 Artikel" versus the 1,054,498 articles on this one. Look at the article again; there are better references there than the about.com one you singled out. There are other references to it as a bestseller, for example The Boston Globe.[15] Esquizombi 01:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment Put the references in the article. I wasn't aware of the Boston Globe reference, and have to use circumstantial evidence like absence in the German wikipedia, which I think still counts for something (i.e. an article on Barbara Hodgson would be more likely to appear in en.wikipedia than de.wikipedia) -- Samir (the scope) 03:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, seems to be important in the German-speaking world. en.wikipedia, while based and written in English, is not an encyclopaedia for exclusively English topics. Lord Bob 16:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above - our ignorance of other languages does not mean we should delete articles about material written in them. For great justice. 16:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Grandmasterka et al., notable book by notable autho, notability is not exclusive to the Anglosphere. There are more than enough really crufty 9/11 POV stubs around, let's have at these. Sandstein 17:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn in .de (and yes I speak german....) Bridesmill 18:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC) (stricken, per Bridesmill's request below. -- noosphere 17:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC))
  • Comment What does "nn in .de" mean? If you're referring to the fact that there is no article on the de.wp, that only means that nobody there has been motivated enough to add an article for it, not that it would not meet their notability criteria. If you're referring to Amazon.de, it appears to be ranked 3,029 there[16] which isn't too bad for a three year old book. Esquizombi 18:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - please delete my previous Delete - article very much improved, as it is right now it stands as a fine example of critical book review. Still not a particularly notable book here; are we going to do article of every book that has any level of notability anywhere in the world? Bridesmill 12:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Notability isn't exclusive to the so-called "Anglosphere;" I quite agree. Its inclusion into Wikipedia.de should take place forthwith, and I encourage those who approve of it so highly to take care of that. RGTraynor 19:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Your seemingly snarky remark is unappreciated WP:NPA. I don't approve of the book, but I do approve of an article about it, because it appears to meet criteria for notability and does meet WP:V. The sources for the article are english language articles by Deutsche Welle's DW-World.de, Newsweek, and the twelve-year old online newspaper telegraph.co.uk which strike me as reliable and also speaking to the book's notability. Esquizombi 19:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • While I don't think that was a personal attack by any stretch, I should observe that, while I would be happy to add it myself, I don't speak a word of German. Lord Bob 22:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment "those who approve of it so highly" is what I objected to. I'm quite willing to vote keep on topics I don't approve of (like this one) if I believe they merit inclusion. The article's content is verifiable with reliable sources and the book appears to be notable. Ich spreche nur ein bißchen Deutsch, so I'm not sure I'd be qualified to add the article to the German wiki, though I had created an account there and have managed to order German-language books and movies from Amazon.de. Esquizombi 23:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• WEAK WEAK WEAK Keep This article is about the BOOK not the CONTENT, if it is a popular book and a best seller in a major market as somsone stated then it should be included. Remember the references have to be in english or translated to english, but the book does not. We are not argueing the content of the book, but rather its notability. Mike _{(T C)} 19:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, if it's number three in Germany with sales of 100,000 (though I'd like to see evidence of that), then it's definitely notable. Not being translated into English is not a criterion for deletion. We have lots of articles about non-English television shows and movies. I mean, what about Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, for Goo's sake? User:Zoe|^(talk) 00:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon has been translated, though. But there are other films on WP that haven't been. Esquizombi 00:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
    • It's been translated for tv viewing, but it was subtitled when shown in theaters. User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Presumably someone translated it in order to make the subtitles? Christopher Parham (talk) 07:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, decent sources and appears notable. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Ich verstehe nicht: it is not clear to me, nor have I seen addressed in this discussion, why this content is not better considered at the entry on Andreas von Bülow; it is hardly as if that article is so overwhelmingly long that it cannot accommodate more information, and since the book is the vehicle for the ideas of the man, surely it is a better place for it. Why keep this in a separate article? The fact that it is in German, is really a canard. If this is kept this time around, I recommend it be renominated with a suggested merge to the author to avoid an unecessary debate about language. Eusebeus 09:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC) (Postcscript: WRT several points made above, this is very unlikely to receive an article on de.WP, since their standards for inclusion are generally much more stringent and, per precedent, any such article would almost certainly be flagged for deletion forthwith and the content moved back to Bulow's main German language entry. So inter-wiki referencing here wrt notability is not apposite. Eusebeus 09:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC))
  • Comment In the case of people who wrote only one book, and especially if they are primarily known only for that book, I would agree with you. In this case, since he is the author of at least two books and is known (or at least had long been known) for being in the German government, I'd be less inclined to advocate merging. As it is, it's unfortunate so much of Bulow's own entry is about his 9/11 beliefs. I haven't tried to read the de.wiki's deletion policies, but they do have an article there on the apparently untranslated English language 9/11 conspiracy book de:Crossing the Rubicon, so I'm not sure Bulow's book would be deleted. Esquizombi 13:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep book seems notable per all above to me Jcuk 15:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(books)#Note_on_notability_criteria :

Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website, and with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual would qualify. --Striver 17:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep sure looks notable to me. Barry Zuckerkorn 19:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. the book has gotten attention somewhere in the world so we should be talking about it here. That's what we do. Is the nom suggesting that the whole world should speak English and if they don't we should ignore it? Frankly, I think that kind of thinking is dangerous for the spread of knowledge. Language was not a barrier to the exchange of ideas in the 18th century and I don't see why it should be in the 21st century. -- JJay 20:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable despite the language. feydey 23:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge'. The article is well organized, and the organization takes up as much room as the content. It's a stub, notable or not. I'm not even sure the book is original. If it ever gets translated, it can be deconsolidated from related articles back into its own.--Pro-Lick 00:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Since when does something have to be in English to be notable? As for verifiability, there are plenty of German speaking Wikipedia editors who can do that. -- noosphere 22:06, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment As far as I am concerned, translation into other languages is indicative of the extent of a book's influence. The more translations, the greater the distribution, influence, or interest. Without wide distribution then I would look to social or political consequences of the book and I just don't see much in the way of consequences for this particular book, regardless of its origins. YMMV. Ande B 21:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment I agree with the first two sentences of the above comment. Namely, that "translation into other languages is indicative of the extent of a book's influence" and "the more translations, the greater the distribution, influence, or interest." However, it does not follow that just because a book may not have been translated in to English, then the only criteria we can use to judge its notability is its "political consequences". It's not at all clear how one could judge the "political consequences" of a book in a NPOV way. It may be relatively clear in the case of some exceptions like Mao's Little Red Book, Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, and the scriptures of the major religions; but in the vast majority of cases books just don't have any obviously visible political consequences. However, that doesn't mean they're non-notable. I think looking at the sales numbers of the book in question as a sign of its notability is perfectly acceptable, even when there's no English translation. By excluding popular books that haven't yet been translated in to English we're encouraging systemic bias and hampering legitimate research in to a given topic by English speaking individuals who may be interested in how that topic is percieved or interpreted in the rest of the non-English speaking world. Besides, the English language publishing industry is generally not interested in books in translation: only a miserably tiny fraction of foreign language books are ever translated in to English[17][18], likely for business reasons that may have little to do with their notability in the rest of the world. Why should Wikipedia defer to the English language publishing industry to the exclusion of the rest of the world, when we can rely on perfectly legitimate indicators of their notability elsewhere (such as their sales in other countries)? -- noosphere 01:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep - this article has come a long way since being nominated for AfD. There are three claims being made about: firstly it is NN. I disagree: it has sold 100,000 copies, which is very large for a "non-fiction" (allegedly!) book, especially in Germany. It was the hot topic of the 2003 Frankfurt Book Fair - and as a book, not just as the work of Herr "Cranky" van Bulow". It is extremely controversial as a book (not just as a selection of views) because of the quality of sourcing - this is an issue about the German publishing industry, not 9/11, therefore we need to consider this book as a book, not just a selection of (what are largely seen as dangerous/bizarre) views associated with one man. Secondly, it not verifiable. I disagree, there are plenty of English languages secondary sources on this book and I have tried to improve the referencing for the article so that it is now clear exactly where each statement in the article can be sourced from. (Haven't finished just yet, will probably take me another hour to incorporate another three English language sources). Thirdly, it is synonymous with Andreas von Bulow and should be merged. Again, I disagree, we need to treat this book as a book for the reasons I have given already plus the fact that Andreas von Bulow has had a long career and is important as a politician in his own right. If we had a balanced biography for him, perhaps the bottom quarter of it would be on his post-politicial retirement conspiracy theorising. However, that is unlikely to happen as in the English-speaking world he is best known for his controversial views on 9/11. Those views do not "define the man" and this article is about more than his views, it also considers the books as a publishing phenomenon, as part of a zeitgeist for similar publications, and as a controversy within German publishing. TheGrappler 16:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I am certainly coming to this late in the day, but this seems to be one of those cases where the nomination for AFD resulting in a much better article. Multiple bases of notability are now laid out with references. --Fuhghettaboutit 05:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand to FA. - Darwinek 11:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shohei Suzuki

This page is a super-short stub, and I don't think it has any potential (I've never heard of this guy). The Republican 01:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or Move to Wiktionary This doesn't have much potential (though I could research it) so it would be better off becoming dictionary material or deleted. Just delete it. Funnybunny 03:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Why Wiktionary? Wiktionary is for word definitions, not biography stubs --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, okay. I edited my vote. Funnybunny 04:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO, only 112 unique Google results [19] --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn bio-stub. Doesn't even get a good amount of hits on Japanese Google. Wish there was an easy way to filter out Wikipedia mirrors... EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I use "-wikipedia -wiki -gnu" in searches to get rid of most of them. If necessary, I also add some terms that are more likely to exclude non-mirrors by mistake. Since you are just trying to determine the number of unique Google results, you could pick a unique phrase from the article to exclude instead. -- Kjkolb 11:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn bio. --Terence Ong 13:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Kusunose 06:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete; redirect is not needed, in case nobody has noticed yet. - Liberatore(T) 16:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC), create a redirect in place. - Liberatore(T) 16:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Store Brand

Non-notable; clearly doesn‘t satisfy WP:BAND. No Allmusic entry, no recordings listed on Amazon, zero Google hits for “Store Brand” + “Justin Noble” (the lead singer). Prod was contested. Delete. dbtfz^talk 03:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC --lightdarkness ^(talk) 03:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BAND and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Storebrand. Eivind^t@c 05:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That's a reasonable option too. dbtfz^talk 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• This is weird, it looks more like it was written by a fan than by a band member. The radioplay assertion is interesting, but still fails WP:BAND. Redirect to Storebrand Store brand. Grandmasterka 09:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Store brand (NOT Storebrand). Proto||type 10:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Store brand. --Terence Ong 15:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete by Marudubshinki as an attack page. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 04:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan T. Landry

Non-notable biography of a self proclaimed "Renaissance Man". 14 unique Ghits for "Jordan T. Landry" [20]. A search for "Jordan Landry" reveals nothing related to the article. IMDB shows no Jordan T. Landry on "Fever Pitch" (but oddly shows a Jordan Leandre). That and he "he commands fake army battalions in repeated invasions of Mexico and Canada" -- Samir (the scope) 03:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nom -- Samir (the scope) 03:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This is the most massive piece of biographical dribbel I have ever seen. K-UNIT 03:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Funnybunny 03:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity, hoax. (BTW, the Jordan Leandre in the movie was a 4-year-old cancer patient who sang the National Anthem at a Red Sox game.) Fan1967 03:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Gflores^Talk 03:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Real, I've been to a couple Landry's Furniture Barns before and heard about him. Quite talented for so young. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jl6822a (talk • contribs). (creator of said page)

Alright, delete it, but you've got to admit it was pretty good.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jl6822a (talk • contribs).

• Delete per nom pm_shef 03:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • And also Mr. Samir, if that is your real name, you should know I have a very pretty face. Sorry Samir, I take that back. It should have been aimed at Mr. TKevin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jl6822a (talk • contribs).

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Primary Digestive Collectivism

Wikipedia is Not for things made up in school. The link provided has nothing to do with this phenomenon. It's unverifiable. Was prodded and de-prodded. Delete. Makemi 03:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NFT and WP:V --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Well written, it's a shame. But, per nom, Wikipedia is Not for things made up in school. I hope this editor turns to real subjects. Ifnord 03:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, agree with nom; agree that the guys who wrote this should be encouraged to write articles on real topics -- Samir (the scope) 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Do not delete. The movement in question was indeed founded on school grounds, but its members are engaging seriously in public promotion of its ideals. As one of the main editors of the entry in question, I can say that I do very much respect Wikipedia and the fine people who are responsible for its functioning. More work will be put towards seeking similar movements and linking them, for the principles expressed in PDC are certainly not unique. The article has only been in existence for two days. Give us more time to make it one worthy of Wikipedia, please. —This unsigned comment was added by Monsieur Prolong (talk • contribs) .
  • I'd like to say again this was a well-written article, the problem is the subject. No matter how you expand or rewrite, it will still be deleted. Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia though, we need good writers. Ifnord 04:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP is not for things made up in school one day. Well-written but ultimately pointless.  (aeropagitica)  13:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:NFT and definitely unverifiable. --Terence Ong 15:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or move to the uncyclopedia. Cute BJAODN, if I understand this correctly, these folks have re-invented and re-named an interesting concept formerly known as sharingBridesmill 18:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• But guys, Jim didn't share his sandwich on March 29; surely that's notable, no? Of course, notwithstanding the humor and quality of the article, delete, per Ifnord, inter al., is surely appropriate. Joe 19:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Ku (film)

vanity entry about a nn film. Delete.  RasputinAXP  c 03:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, non-notable film --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable and jumbled with advertising and self-promotion. Ifnord 03:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - to quote from the article, "too bad"... MikeWazowski 14:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn film. --Terence Ong 15:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Piccadilly 19:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn--Ugur Basak 21:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above. Cool3 01:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. JIP | Talk 06:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Shoebox Project

Recreated article on a Harry Potter fanfic, but content isn't similar enough to be a speedy candidate. De-prodded without comment by an anon. -- Vary | Talk 03:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as it failed it's first AfD. Ifnord 03:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete CSD G4, as per Vary and Ifnord -- Samir (the scope) 03:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duncan Cameron (time travel)

The only sentence that even attempts to establish notability starts with the word "Allegedly" Deville (Talk) 03:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO, WP:VANITY, WP:V and likely WP:HOAX --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 03:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. Google search of name and "Montauk" yields 700 hits. Ifnord 03:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm not clear about whether this man is trying to pass himself off as a sailor who was on board the USS Eldridge. There's not enough information to determine notability, and anyway, it's probably crankery. Brian G. Crawford 04:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable enough con man or crackpot. Article should be retitled , current form is NPOV, and evidence of debunking added to satisfy NPOV requirements. Refer to Philadelphia Experiment. If it weren't for the movie and the related X-Files episode(s), he wouldn't be notable; but in their shadow he's notable -- becoming notable by parasitism is still becoming notable (cf Kevin Federline). Monicasdude 05:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Reserve comment I would vote keep per Monicasdude if his assertions of notability can be backed up. Has Cameron or his lectures attracted the attention of any notable paranormal debunkers or been covered in any way by independent media? For borderline notabilty merge and redirect to Philadelphia Experiment. Reserving comment per addition of facts. Thatcher131 05:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, sadly not even notable for being a crank. David | Talk 08:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- non-notable crackpottery. The El Reyko 09:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Eusebeus 10:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unless Monicasdude can really prove this guy is also married to Britney Spears. Proto||type 10:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn, hoax unless Monicasdude can verify this information. --Terence Ong 14:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. ---CH 23:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  17:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anastasis

As mentioned in the article and associated talk page, this is completely unfounded terminology which does not appear in any medical or online resource or publication in the scientific literature. Alsorises 04:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:V and WP:NEO --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 04:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Resurrection of Jesus or disambiguate. This unfamiliar word may have some currency, especially in Eastern Orthodox church, as a theological word for the resurrection of Jesus or the general resurrection of the dead. Smerdis of Tlön 15:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Somebody's using Wikipedia to promote a neologism. Brian G. Crawford 17:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Google book search shows no hits for Anastasis and radiation together. Anastasis appears to have other meanings including the resurrection, or some part of a church. If someone wants to make a new page with this title, as a redirect or an article, on a legitimate topic like this, then of course that's cool. (There's the additional problem that this incorrect use of anastasis will remain out in cyberspace on sites that have copied the article from Wikipedia... oh well...) --Singkong2005 14:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The article outright admits it's not verifiable.George Bluth 16:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete all. Stifle (talk) 00:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Twodeadsluts Onegoodfuck

Non-notable per WP:MUSIC Nv8200p talk 04:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Adding I_Stuck_My_Boner_In_The_Blender_"The_Pinkest_Demo_Ever", The_Mystery_of_the_Lost_Maps_Means_Battle_For_The:_HOMOROBOTS, and The_Homorobotic_Adventure_Squad_Presents:_Songs_For_Blastings_Lasers_and_Fighting_Evil_Doers to this AFD as they are their albums. kotepho 05:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep How many states do you need to hit to be a 'national' tour? They seem to be covering a decent amount from their website. On a somewhat related note, the reviews are hilarious. kotepho 05:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not impressed by national tour, don't think they meet WP:MUSIC, but agree that the reviews are absolutely hilarious. -- Samir (the scope) 05:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Intrigued as I am by these "belligerent mental patients on a meth-binge" (as one review puts it), they clearly fail WP:BAND. dbtfz^talk 06:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. The 90's didn't produce much in the way of quality music. The 00's weren't looking so good either. These guys redress that problem. I just listened to "Let's Just Hold Each..." and it really spoke to me. Rklawton 06:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, I've only heard two of their samples so I cannot comment on their music much.. but WP:MUSIC is the issue not if they are any good. kotepho 06:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all per Samir. Eusebeus 10:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all, nn band and per Samir. --Terence Ong 14:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all, fails to achieve the level of notability required by WP:MUSIC. Proto||type 14:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:MUSIC with a strong push to BJAODN.--Isotope23 17:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all as per nom and Kotepho. --P199 17:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Band vanity. Piccadilly 19:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I don't get this policy. Just because they aren't mainstream doesn't mean they aren't an interesting, different band. I think it's stupid to judge bands by how popular they are. Twodeadsluts keep it real by staying underground. Also, seeing as they are not a large band, information on them is almost nil therefore making this page more useful than ones for bands that people already know tons about and could find on countless websites. Also, "band vanity" is a violation of the amendment of freedom of expression. If people found their name offensive, they would not be interested in listening to them thus having no reason to look up information on them. The Metro 20:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Nobody has cited the coarse name as a reason for deletion, and I'm sure everyone would agree that the band appears to be "interesting and different" in the extreme. Notability is the sole issue here. If you disagree with WP:BAND, that's fine, but don't attack straw men. dbtfz^talk 01:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC) Oh, and regarding the appeal to the First Amendment, see WP:FREE. I'll shut up now.  :-) dbtfz^talk 01:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Someone stated "band vanity" as a reason. I must have misinterpreted it. The Metro 20:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Another reason I have for this being kept is that while this band doesn't apply to the [WP:Music]] statement, a lot of bands on here don't. Also they have done the following; Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers, personal blogs, etc...). Said information can be viewed here. The Metro 21:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Already voted once above. Thanks. -- Samir (the scope) 03:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per above. --Khoikhoi 03:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep ALL, meets WP:MUSIC. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 03:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Which part? Kotepho 03:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Media and tour, and that's without putting much effort in. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 04:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I definitely agree with the touring. If you look at their Myspace you can see that they are actually currently touring a large portion of the U.S. They can even be quoted to saying "The band is planning on bringing the live show to both coasts in 2006." Also, they have been mentioned in multiple reputable sources of press as stated above. The Metro 00:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I disagree about notability and don't but the multiple reputable sources of press at all. Barry Zuckerkorn 19:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

How are the sources not reputable? They have been reviewed by quite a few places. And they most be notable if they are touring the whole country and all of their old albums are sold out. The Metro 18:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC and Alexa.--Dakota ~ ° 23:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not see how they can fail WP:MUSIC seeing as they are currently touring the country. The Metro 1:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge - Liberatore(T) 16:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UI chrome

Stub not worthy of a separate article. - Sikon 05:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Graphical user interface. I agree, this is not worth a separate article. JIP | Talk 06:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge sounds good to me. --Hetar 09:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above --Arny 13:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Cafarelli

Delete - vanity, reads like a restaurant advertisement. Prod tag removed without explanation. Wickethewok 05:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. JIP | Talk 06:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SPAM and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, vanispamcruftisment, nn. --Terence Ong 15:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity. Author, Caf3623, appears to be Cafarelli or someone closely connected to him. | Mr. Darcy talk 17:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity w/o prejudice to recreation w/o the puffery and upon a showing of notability. Restaurateurs are notable if followed by the press etc. - the.crazy.russian τ/ç/ë 17:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Do not Delete I am neither Cafarelli nor closely connected to him. I work for a public relations company in Boston and his name came up on our list of industry leaders. There is no need to delete it as the company I work for, or another one in the area, will merely add it again once he is put on the list again. -Caf3623
• Do not Delete In addition, Vanity is not a Wikipedia policy. It is only a guideline and therefore neither a violation nor grounds for deletion. -Caf3623
  • Comment - Lack of notability is. Wickethewok 19:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete promo spam. David Hoag 08:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rian1.2

Delete - No assertion of notability. Also, seems to be crystal ballism. Prod tag removed without explanation. Wickethewok 05:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SPAM, WP:VANITY, WP:Not a crystal ball and WP:SOFTWARE. --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, spam, nn software. --Terence Ong 15:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Seems not even to be a crystal ball but a hoax. Perhaps an early April's Fools attempt? Large portions of the article are transparently copied (with word replacements) from Multics. Henning Makholm 19:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep - Liberatore(T) 16:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tonga-Hiti

This was one of the 50+ Polynesian mythology articles submitted in a big batch (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahoeitu). After much discussion at that afd, I'm re-submitting all of the items individually. Some of them may be keepers, most of them will be deletable. I'm deferring to editors such as User:Kahuroa who know their Polynesian mythology as to which is which. Grutness...wha? 05:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep. This is verifiable, as I've added a reference to the bottom. I don't know enough to say whether or not it is notable and bow to others on this question. Bucketsofg 05:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but move to 'Tongahiti' . The hyphen is superfluous. Better provenance would also be helpful Kahuroa 07:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 05:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 16:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whatu

This was one of the 50+ Polynesian mythology articles submitted in a big batch (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahoeitu). After much discussion at that afd, I'm re-submitting all of the items individually. Some of them may be keepers, most of them will be deletable. I'm deferring to editors such as User:Kahuroa who know their Polynesian mythology as to which is which. Grutness...wha? 05:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. As far as I can tell, unverifiable. Bucketsofg 05:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Whatu means 'stone' in Māori. To make it mean hail, you have to add the word for rain: ua-whatu (stony rain) or ua-ā-whatu (rain with stones). It makes no sense for the everyday word for stone to be used without these additions and expect anyone to understand it to refer to hail. Whatu is definitely a Māori word, and cannot appear in this form in any other Polynesian language so this cannot be a Polynesian god in the wider sense. Hail is not that common here in NZ, and I would think even rarer still in tropical Polynesia. Apparently hail does occur in Hawaii, but how could they have used a Māori word for it? Kahuroa 06:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable. --Terence Ong 16:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  HUH? How can you "Keep as above" when all the entries above are for "Delete"? Looks like this user is adding Keeps to every AfD, as some form of WP:POINT. Fan1967 21:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I think 'For great justice' means well but his reasoning is hard to follow. (see my talk page). I take it that he is supporting Grutness' intro above where he says 'keepers...deferring to editors...' and means to indicate that he supports what the 'editors' (ie, me) decide. I think... Kahuroa 22:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - as per User:For great justice. - Hahnchen 01:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was redirect to Wahieloa. - Liberatore(T) 16:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wahie Loa

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• Redirect to Wahieloa (an important Polynesian mythical figure). Bucketsofg 05:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Wahieloa (an important Hawaiian mythical figure - appears under slightly variant names elsewhere in Polynesia). Kahuroa 06:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per above. --Khoikhoi 03:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 16:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vitu

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• Delete. No entry in Craig, Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Probably unnotable; clearly unverified. Bucketsofg 05:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Seems like a bit of a scrap anyway as well as a slightly odd mix of locations. Kahuroa 06:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Terence Ong 16:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep - Liberatore(T) 16:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uekera

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• Delete. No entry in Craig, Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Notability unclear; unverified. Bucketsofg 05:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. I edited to remove the 'Polynesian mythology' category because this is not Polynesian - Kiribati is in Micronesia. An illustration of the reliability of some of these stubs. I now say 'weak keep' because it has references and I am not conversant with Micronesian mythology. Kahuroa 06:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC) edited --Kahuroa 20:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Later comment: Definite Keep - now well sourced by Crypticfirefly below. Kahuroa 06:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

'As above' means as the original poster mentioned ("Some of them may be keepers . . . I'm deferring to editors . . . as to which is which") For great justice. 18:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

But I also make it clear in my nomination that most of them are not keepers. Voting keep for all of these irrespective of whether they deserve it is a bit strange, to say the least, and positively misleading in many cases. Grutness...wha? 02:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• I'm gonna go with a Weak Delete for now, unless a better source can be found.--Cúchullain t c 16:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Since I'm the one who added the references. (I've added a few better ones as well this evening, after the AfD began.)Crypticfirefly 03:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 16:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tevake

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• Delete. No entry in Craig, Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Notability unclear; unverified. Bucketsofg 05:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no provenance here. What part of Polynesia are we dealing with? Tevake could be in one of several Polynesian languages, possibly Rarotongan or Tahitian or several others (not Māori, not Hawaiian, not Samoan). Gannets are temperate birds, the tropical equivalent is the Booby, so that needs to be changed anyway. Kahuroa 07:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as above? No one said keep. Anyway, Delete per Bucketsofg.--Cúchullain t c 16:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 15:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uranga-o-Te-Ra

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• Keep. I've added a reference to Craig, Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Unless someone can make a good argument against notability, it should probably be kept. Bucketsofg 05:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep given verification by Bucketsofg. My view is that verifiable gods or mythical figures listed in reliable sources are notable. Capitalistroadster 05:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep tho it must come from a rare version of the story of Māui and so I am not comfortable with it being given the blanket description 'in Māori mythology' as if it were the 'standard' version or something, which it aint. I would like to see a tribal origin traced for this, but in the meantime, fair enough. Kahuroa 06:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Later comment: I traced a further reference, Tregear 1891, possibly the ultimate source.Kahuroa 10:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, verifiable. --Terence Ong 16:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tumuitearetoka

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• Delete. No entry in Craig, Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Notability unclear; unverified. Bucketsofg 05:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. as per Bucketsofg's comment Kahuroa 06:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Bucketsofg. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bucketsofg. --Terence Ong 16:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, any information on this being would seem to belong in the article on Ngaru. Crypticfirefly 22:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 15:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tukoio

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• Weak delete. There is no entry for this in Cragi's Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology, but his policy is to mention only tales that include gods and goddesses and such. There seems to be an allusion to this figure here. Perhaps someone else can find a reference. Bucketsofg 05:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Will add reference sourced by Bucketsofg and edit article slightly. (PS - found and added another reference also) Kahuroa 06:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Verifiable legendary figures are notable in my book. Capitalistroadster 08:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per above. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep verifiable. --Terence Ong 16:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tu-Mea

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• Delete. No entry in Craig's Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology. Bucketsofg 05:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. as per Bucketsofg.Kahuroa 07:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bucketsofg. --Terence Ong 16:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was redirect to Ngaru (this would be a merge normally, but there's nothing to merge) - Liberatore(T) 17:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tongatea

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• Merge: Assuming this isn't bad data, I think merging all of these would be in order. Rklawton 05:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with her husband Ngaru (both have entries in Craig's Dictionary of Polynesian Mythology). Bucketsofg 05:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - with Ngaru. Kahuroa 07:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Ngaru or Keep. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Ngaru. --Terence Ong 16:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  17:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dannel Gomiller

Not very many Google hits for a "cult hit around the world." Chick Bowen 05:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO, WP:WEB, and possibly WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - a cult hit around the world. For great justice. 16:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per TBC. -- P199 17:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Minor webbie thing. Piccadilly 19:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delet as nn-bio and contains personal information. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shiv Anant Tayal

non notable bio of a student, {prod} removed by page author Montco 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. --Soumyasch 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete CSD A7, non notable -- Samir (the scope) 06:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Wickethewok 06:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  17:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of possbile references to music media in the Doom series

Original Research. One I know is legit. Others seem speculatory at best, without sources. Delete or possibly merge to Making of Doom Drat (Talk) 06:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OR and as listcruft --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• "List of possible references..."? That says it all. Delete per WP:NOR. -- Saberwyn 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: Not encyclopedic. --Hetar 09:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Who comes up with this stuff? Delete. Eusebeus 10:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Make it a featured article Delete, obviously. --kingboyk 12:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, original research, listcurft, unencyclopaedic. --Terence Ong 16:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete per Hetar - Wezzo (talk) (ubx) 18:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• *Please Delete non notable 198.178.8.81 22:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; WP:NOR, WP:V, could be dealt with in a couple of lines in a related article Aquilina 00:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to the extent it is accurate, with Doom main article or Making of Doom Ande B 06:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr.John Saw

Prodded as vanity bio (see WP:BIO). Prod was removed and improperly restored. Moving here as a courtesy to the reprodder. NickelShoe (Talk) 06:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn-bio Gu 07:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn-bio and vanity. --Terence Ong 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. David Hoag 08:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nerve glove

Very minor piece of technoloy used by a single group of 1,000 men (the Imperial Fists Space Marine chapter) in the fictional Warhammer 40,000 universe. Information comes from a single novel, and the device does not receive a mention in any other rules, background, or fiction work produced by Games Workshop or its subsidiariy companies. Use is nowhere near widespread enough in the fictional universe to justify (in my mind) a merge to the Weapons and Equipment of the Imperium (Warhammer 40,000), an is not important enough to the organisation and doctrine of the Imperial Fists chapter to include there.

I have nominated this article once before (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nerve glove), back in November 05, which resulted in a no consensus keep. -- Saberwyn 06:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Weapons and Equipment of the Imperium (Warhammer 40,000) --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That list is currently a general list showing the equipment available to the entirety of the thousand Chapters of Space Marines, along with a wide variety of Imperial military and paramilitary organisations whose memberships reaches into the billions. To mention an item with such a small use would show great disproportion in the level of information conveyed (ie:fancruft). We can counter it by not having it in there, or we can counter it by listing every single special piece of equipment, squad upgrade, character weapon, relic, and rarely used piece of technology covered in the Armoury section of each Imperial Codex, because stuff with rules should come first in an article on a playable game. We're talking hundreds of seperate entries in the list before we get down to the level of player and universe impact this device has. Do you want a list full of 40k-cruft? I don't. -- Saberwyn 06:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Warhammer 40,000-related deletions. -- -- Saberwyn 06:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: the nerve glove really is a very, very minor part of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. --Pak21 08:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete echoing above. And I would add the Warhammer Universe is itself very, very minor. Eusebeus 10:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. For a comparison, try imaging having an article exist about the second sentence of the Chance card where it's your birthday and you get $10 in a game of Monopoly. This is the Warhammer equivalent, and that's how crufty and lame this is. Proto||type 10:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. My dog is more notable than this, and I have no dog. Sandstein 17:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Sandstein. A fine turn of phrase may I say :-) — ciphergoth 15:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge IT!!!I like to know every facet of Warhammer...crazymike458@yahoo.com (anonymous user — ciphergoth)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upalindrome

Delete - a google search for this turns up nothing. NN neologism. Wickethewok 06:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NEO --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 06:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, looks like a protologism -- Samir (the scope) 06:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, neologism. --Terence Ong 16:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, seems retarded. - Baconpatroller 17:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom.Bjones 17:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vaso Vukotic's Theory

Not notable. romanm (talk) 06:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, most likely a hoax and vanity. Originally entered by user Sova.kuliana and a 'Vaso Vukotic' is using the email sova.kuliana@gmail.com here. Google hits for this email find a myspace account (now deleted but still viewable from Google's cache) which indicates a 18 year old owner from Nevada. The name Vaso Vukotic doesn't give any physics related Google hits besides this Wiki entry. Gu 08:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, hoax; if not, it's either WP:OR or WP:NFT. --Kinu ^t/_c 08:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Delete if sources cannot be discovered. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - whatever else this is, it seems to be original research. Smerdis of Tlön 15:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, original research. --Terence Ong 16:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy (?) delete CSD A5

[edit] Phaneromania

Dictionary definition transwiki'd in June 05; unchanged since. Tzaquiel 06:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete. Is there even any question about this? It's even written up like a dictionary entry. RGTraynor 19:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranobu

Obvious nonsense - Tzaquiel 06:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nonsense --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 07:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nonsense Gu 07:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was split and merge - Liberatore(T) 17:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Rulings

This article seems to have an unclear scope or and no particular direction for expansion. It is unclear what an "Islamic Ruling" is – surely the article cannot discuss every decision made by an Islamic court. I suggest that this article be removed, and that the interested contributors focus on more specific, better-defined sub-topics. Twinxor t 06:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge variously to Sharia (the theft section), Polygamy, Apostasy in Islam, Homosexuality and Islam, and redirect to Fatwa. Gazpacho 11:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per above. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• My suggestion is I guess that the artcile can be split into specific artciles. Polygamy in Islam being one. Theft In Islam being another. The ruling on leaving Islam another and then The ruling homosexuality in Islam another. What do you all think? MuslimsofUmreka 11:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge any useful content, per Gazpacho. - Mike Rosoft 13:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per the tomato soup man. And MuslimsofUmreka, I don't think we should have an article about "[every word in the dictionary] in Islam". Try contributing to the existing Islam-related articles until they get too large. Sandstein 17:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Who is expected to do the merge? Piccadilly 20:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Okay, here is what I am gonna do. I am gonna merge the artciles like everyone suggested. Before I do it, can somebody tell me the procedures for doing it, and the best method of doing? By best method I mean, which exact article should certain sections be moved too? I know there are some suggestions to move some sections to shariah and otehrs to fatawa. What does everyone think? MuslimsofUmreka 23:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The article has four sections that correspond rather directly to the articles I listed. Gazpacho 23:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per Gazpacho. Green Giant 00:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge only the useful stuff. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 02:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Can somebody else do the merge thing. I'm still kind of new to this site and i'm not sure how exactly I should move the files and if I should change certain content on the other articles to make this one fit. MuslimsofUmreka 00:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge only the useful stuff per a.n.o.n.y.m --Khoikhoi 03:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Changes thus far. The homosexualit ysection has been merged with Homosexuality and Islam, and the tehft sectio nis now in the shariah section. Waiting instructions on what to do with the restof the artcile on polygamy and leaving Islam. MuslimsofUmreka 05:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, how do I delete the article now. I dont think the rest of the stuff can be merged with anything. I would like to delete the article now. How do I do it? MuslimsofUmreka 20:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• An administrator will do it. Twinxor t 10:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PAOLI The Single

Delete - article about an obscure single by an obscure musician, non-notable. Wickethewok 06:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, it's nice that they wrote it about their teacher, but it's unfortunately nn -- Samir (the scope) 06:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete - No rational reason has been given for deletion! R. E. Denton ... Webmaster at sanroy.com, crawfordcountyindiana.info, www.orangecountyindiana.info, www.paoliindiana.info, and www.gigharborwashington.info 12:20AM, 31 March (PST)
  • Comment - sorry I did not make my reason explicit. The reason is that it is a non-notable song. Wickethewok 08:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as it really seems to fall under non-notable Gu 08:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as article with little or no context.

[edit] Falsifing information

Unexpandable misspelled dicdef. Prod was removed. dcandeto 06:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - WP:CSD A1/A3 No context, basically a explaination of the article title. MartinRe 13:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete concur, so tagged. Sandstein 17:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above - Wezzo (talk) (ubx) 18:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Stifle (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NDAPL

Unexpandable dicdef. Prod was removed. dcandeto 06:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and it looks like the acronym was transcribed wrong in the title -- Samir (the scope) 06:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 07:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Expand / Redirect, DNAPL has 190000 Google hits and 'Dense Nonaqueous Phase Liquid' 15800. It has also it's 'own website' http://www.getf.org/dnaplguest/. So there should be plenty of information. Maybe it should redirect to something like Interagency Dense Non Aqueous Phase Liquid Consortium (IDC) Gu 07:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; not only the title is wrong, but also the definition! There is really no point in having the article in its current status. - Liberatore(T) 17:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus. Stifle (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CapROS

NN software. Very few google hits that actually correspond to the software, as of the time of this nomination their website returns nothing, its not even significant enough to earn an Alexa rating, and is still under development. Delete --Hetar 07:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SPAM, WP:SOFTWARE, WP:Not a crystal ball and WP:VANITY --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 07:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I have been in the process of adding a 'Capability systems' category and updating various entries related to capability systems. I created this page as a placeholder for Charlie Landau to edit, and I have emailed Charlie to advise him that he needs to populate it. It is not clear why Hetter believes that the website [21] returns nothing. It certainly responds for me. I did forget to insert the http:// on the initial edit (since fixed). CapROS is an active sourceforge project, and it is currently funded by DARPA.

Hettar may be right that an entry on CapROS is premature. I suggest that Landau should be given a decent interval of time to put more substantial content here before the page is deleted. I'ld also note that when an author is staring a delete notice in the face it tends to be self-fulfilling. Why should they invest effort in improving a Wikipedia entry if the entry is under threat of deletion? If they don't, how can Wikipedia determine whether sufficient content might exist to justify retention?

By all means let us revisit this in a week or so, by which time there will probably be something to react to. In the interim, have the common decency to let Landau edit without a threat notice in his face. shap 07:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This article's nomination is not based on its content, but rather on its subject, which will still not meet WP:SPAM, WP:SOFTWARE, WP:Not a crystal ball and WP:VANITY anytime in the near future. --Hetar 08:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Let us take these in turn.

• WP:SPAM: It would be factually inaccurate to fail to mention that the principal force behind CapROS is a company. The article does not indulge in advocacy or sales. The article does not indulge in any other form of SPAM listed at WP:SPAM.

• The argument for WP:SOFTWARE is stronger, primarily because CapROS isn't shipping yet. However, the simple fact that this system is DARPA-funded in the current funding environment is fairly remarkable, and might be construed as a metric of significance for the KeyKOS/EROS/CapROS path of work. To my knowledge, there are only two such operating systems today (the other, FYI, is Coyotos). To the extent that a brief CapROS entry serves as the endpoint of the EROS work, a brief entry is necessary for editorial completeness. For some other topics, this might be a reason to merge the entry into the EROS entry (which might be appropriate at this point). The editorial problem with this is that it does not sufficiently respect due credit. As the EROS principal I would be very uncomfortable with an editorial presentation that would appear to present Landau's work as mine.

• Wikipedia is not a crystal ball doesn't apply here. CapROS unquestionably exists. However, this may be a reason not to have a stub entry until CapROS actually releases.

• I may not be independent enough to evaluate the WP:VANITY challenge. My rationale for adding the entry was (a) The EROS work was considered well-motivated by a broad number of people, (b) The current EROS development path is proceeding with CapROS, so if the work is worth mentioning CapROS needs to be dealt with for editorial completeness. (c) The desire to avoid proliferation of articles is overridden in this case by the importance of not misrepresenting credit.

However, I note that Hettar does not respond to my primary original point: the article does not yet have content, and until it has had a reasonable chance for content to be added it is impossible for Hettar to form any useful opinion about it, and certainly not about the spam or vanity points. It is clearly not the expectation of Wikipedia that articles arrive full-formed from the mouth of Zeus. Hettar's nomination for deletion is premature.

I also note that Hetar obviously didn't actually look at the CapROS website. Perhaps he typed ".com" rather than ".org". He has not yet troubled to acknowledge his shoddy archival research in this regard.

The question of Alexa ratings is utterly irrelevant. I know Brewster, and I wish him and Alexa the best, but Alexa's criteria are not those of Wikipedia. Same issue for Google, whose primary consideration is cross-linkage, not merit.

Would Hetar find it appropriate if his current high school faculty made a practice of deleting his term papers summarily at the end of their first sentence on the grounds that they were incomplete?

One more time: the article needs a decent, but not excessive, opportunity to be written before it is evaluated for deletion, and this will not happen if the deletion threat is sitting in the article. In the interim, have the common decency to let Landau edit without a threat notice in his face. 68.33.84.43 12:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Rather along the lines of TBC Marcus22 13:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Responding further to Hetar's points:

• WP:SPAM: There cannot be a sales motivation, because the software is available free.

• WP:SOFTWARE: Because CapROS is the continuation of EROS, all the peer-reviewed publications regarding EROS apply also to CapROS.

• Wikipedia is not a crystal ball: The software exists, is published/released (on SourceForge.net), and runs now. I have made a minor edit to the article to correct this point. Like all active software, it is under development to improve it.

• WP:VANITY: I don't see this at all, but if you can identify specific information in the article that promotes the notoriety of the author, I would be happy to edit it out. CLandau 17:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Borderline weak keep per the arguments of CLandau, if the sources about DARPA funding are added to the article. The reference to WP:VANITY, I think, remains pertinent nonetheless: even if the subject is notable, it is just considered very bad form to write about one's own projects. You would have done better to focus your attention on other things, confident in the strength of Wikipedia's collective mind to eventually identify it as notable and write an article about it. Sandstein 18:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Excuse me, but I'm not the one who added the article. It was added by someone who is not affiliated with the project. I was asked to update it. CLandau 17:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. DARPA funding does not make an item "notable" -- on those grounds, the box of pens some general's secretary bought last week on the government's dime is. RGTraynor 19:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, Clandau and the anon IP adress made some good points, though I still don't think its notable enough to merit its own article. Perhaps a merge and redirect to EROS? --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 20:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I had much to do with Keykos which is an ancestor of Capros. I argue here that Capros, and therefore the article, is important. I hope that such an argument is not out of line. There are several very active e-mail lists on capability based security. The subject is controversial. There is currently little activity in the area of an OS kernel based on these ideas. This seems unfortunate for without secure platforms there is little hope of a secure infrastructure. I think that Capros is probably the system closest to providing such a secure platform, which I supose is the reason for DARPA support. NormHardy 04:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seattle luxury

Delete - advertisement. Wickethewok 07:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CORP and WP:SPAM --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 07:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, advertisment, spam Gu 08:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per TBC. Henning Makholm 19:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Request Clarification or Undelete 12:03, 2 April 2006 - I only created the article as I saw under the term 'luxury_real_estate' the profile of a company I am aware of and felt this was on par with that article. I felt if that article was accepted, this one could be. Could someone at least clarify the difference between the two? I accept and understand and don't want to add untasteful spam and it was not my intent, but why is one company allowed and another not? 'Luxury Real Estate' was clearly written and corrected by the creator of the business "Luxury Real Estate" with an added definition of "luxury real estate" after placing their company information. Also, is there a way to restate anything in the article to make it valid? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johng7777 (talk • contribs).
• Delete per above. - After reviewing the spamming policy, I agree this article should be deleted. I do feel that the article 'luxury real estate' should be reviewed carefully as well, as that is where the idea for this article was conceived. I am aware that IBM or Hewlett Packard etc. are large enough for notoriety, but I don't believe 'luxury real estate' would be in that classification as they are not setting any trends per se in the luxury real estate market, nor are they considered a standard by any means. Just an opinion from a luxury realtor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johng7777 (talk • contribs).

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 662 Recordings

No sources are provided for this supposed record label. Google returns 3 hits for the name "662 Recordings", none of which are relevant. [22] Subject is non-verifiable and does not currently meet WP:MUSIC guidelines for inclusion. This page should be deleted until verifiable evidence can be provided that this label actually exists. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nn-company Gu 08:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a single relevant hit? Not even a personal webpage? Probably a hoax, or a misunderstanding... Grandmasterka 09:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - The article itself states they haven't published anything yet. Celcius 10:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT a crystal ball.  ALKIVAR™ 12:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • If Suge Knight founded it, and all those superstar rappers really were doing tracks for it and it was in the news, this would be an exception to the crystal ball rule because of its vast notability. But it clearly doesn't exist. Grandmasterka 18:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Grandmasterka. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nn recording company. --Terence Ong 16:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above. Cool3 22:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above arguments. The El Reyko 20:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable Celcius 06:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus, defaults to keep Proto||type 11:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paperdoll Heaven

This afd nomination was incomplete. The nominator's reasoning was advert. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 15:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

• Weak keep. 30k google hits, though 0 Google Groups hits. Has traffic data on Alexa [23]. The article could be cleaned up, but it looks like it's probably marginally notable at least. --Interiot 15:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
• Very strong keep per 2,148 alexa rank and 30,500 google. Comfortably meets WP:WEB. It's got newspaper reports about it, etc etc. Fan sites. Very notable. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Honestly, combing through the google results, a large percentage of them look like SEO spam, I was having a hard time finding meaningful links to the site. But the Alexa rank does let it clear WP:WEB. --Interiot 16:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry? I didn't check through the google too much, just enough to note that all the google hits were actually about this. It meets Alexa pretty easily though. 2,000 while 10,000 is the criteria. So we shouldn't need to worry about the google part. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 17:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Per UncleG, the best use of Google results is to carefully scan through them, and find "other people have found the subject notable enough that they have gone to the effort of writing and publishing stuff of their own about it". Many of the Paperdoll Heaven hits are either simply links to the site that look like they could have been placed there as part of an SEO compaign (eg. many one-liners from blogspot [24]), or are mentions by blogs (many of them non-notable). I suppose that it's not a subject that newspapers would write about often, but maybe that means its inclusion in an encyclopedia should be borderline, not Strong. Nonetheless, there are a few semi-notable independent links to the site. [25] [26] --Interiot 17:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
        • And as I said I was doing keep firstly based on its alexa rank. You don't need to think beyond that if it meets that easily. Unless you can somehow fake an alexa rank. Can you? Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 20:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
          • I guess Wikipedia:Google test notes that the Alexa toolbar allows some websites to skew their own ratings, but I was mainly just nitpicking, because I wasn't convinced that it was a Strong Keep due to large number of low quality google hits. --Interiot 20:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I call Bullsh*t. No way do I believe that Alexa rank. It's been obviously manipulated to boost ad revenues, which is why those google links are so suspicious. Probably part of the same campaign. Probably used Alexa Booster: [[27]] (This, btw, is why Alexa rankings should be treated with care. Do you really believe that this ridiculous site could reach that kind of rank??????) Eusebeus 15:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm currently working for the company behind the site. We have not engaged in any SEO or artificial Alexa-rank boosting. Believe it or not, there is a big demand for this kind of content. We're past a million subscribers now and are, at times, pushing out 200 Mbit/s of data. Index Ventures has invested $4 million in the company. I will abstain from voting on this request for deletion since I'm biased. If the article is kept, however, it's quite obvious that it needs some serious rewriting. It should also be renamed to Stardoll. I've been intending to do this, but haven't had the time. We're in chrunch mode now. :) Ehn 09:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Reluctant keep due to Alexa rank and not being able to disprove the claimed 900,000 subscriber base. David | Talk 08:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Onus is on the author to provide verification. I'm still sceptical about this alexa rank, but I am open to being convinced. Eusebeus 15:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Lacks convincing external evidence of notablity. Scranchuse 17:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, or remove all but the first two paragraphs. Marginal notability, and most of the current text isn't worth keeping. --Interiot 17:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dave Kloos

Only two music related links on google, apparently not well known Ethii 08:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nn-bio, the band Rudy and Blitz for which he played wasn't very successful and widely known according to their own website [28].
• Delete per the previous vote. Piccadilly 20:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Axion Quake

Non notable free game. A google search for Axion Quake, filtering out Wikipedia mirrors only gets 133 hits. Article was created only four days after release. Official website no longer exists, a mere 2 and half months after release.-Drat (Talk) 08:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: per nom, extremely nn. --Hetar 08:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - a free game. For great justice. 16:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. -- P199 17:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. RGTraynor 19:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - a free game. - Hahnchen 01:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. --ReinholdRimmler 11:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Site no longer exists. As per nom.--Dangman4ever 23:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 17:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ascensionism

It is a spiritual movement, but it only gets 187 unique Google results, many, perhaps most, of which are about an album. Many of the non-album results are not about the movement, either. The article makes no claims as to the number of followers, but I would expect a large spiritual movement based upon technology to have a significant online presence. It is not a notable spiritual movement, yet. -- Kjkolb 08:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - no good reason to delete it. For great justice. 16:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. What??! The nom gives plenty of good reasons for deletion, per WP:Notability and perhaps WP:HOAX Grandmasterka 18:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Similarly. IMHO, if you're not paying attention, why vote? Refute or abstain, but in any event Delete! RGTraynor 19:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Another unverifiable, non-notable religious/spiritual movement. Fan1967 21:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:V. --Khoikhoi 03:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 17:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Horak

Hoax, unverifiable, and been here since September 2005! See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Horak, which had been created by the same IP. Creator also added wrong and/or unverifiable info in other articles. Lupo 08:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Gee, a comedian in Hollywood trying to break in to movies and TV. Such a rare person must be celebrated, eh? Prove he was on Leno or Letterman and I'll reconsider, otherwise delete. Thatcher131 12:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, clearly vanity (Best known for his Bob Newhart charm and Mary Hart good looks - whatever! WP:VAIN). -- P199 17:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I cant comment on whether or not this entry can belong but I can say I saw Steve Horak at a comedy club in Brooklyn and he was great!

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Essembly

Nn spamvertisement. It's still in beta, so there is no way it can even come close to WP:WEB. Delete --Hetar 08:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

WHAT? how is that possible...this is a social networking site just like MySpace and Facebook which are both written about extensively on Wikipedia. How can you exclude one like essembly that actually promotes something positive..it promotes thought and discourse and ideas! —This unsigned comment was added by Ndentzel (talk • contribs) .

• Delete; Alexa rank 111,395. If it does become the next MySpace, then we can always recreate the article (without the POV & advertising). smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 10:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per the above. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, how dare we indeed! Proto||type 10:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn website. --Terence Ong 17:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That is so horrible of you people, of all people on the internet I would have thought that Wikipedia would be open to allowing the free share of information..cleary you want to limit the flow of information by not allowing a short piece of information on Essembly. If you all think that it is an advertisement then why dont you check out the site, and then modify the article to fit how you like it. And, if it is indeed an advertisement, then so is EVERY article on this site that gives a thorough explanation of a product, service, site, or good.

• Weak delete until becomes notable (2.0 release) -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 20:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Schneid

Unverifiable, very likely a hoax. Same creator as Steve Horak (see above). Lupo 08:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: The only two google results are from Wikipedia. --Hetar 19:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Hoax. Piccadilly 20:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The page Neil Baldwin was speedily deleted by Gflores with the delete summary (csd A7). This AFD is closed. —Encephalon 22:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Baldwin

Not a notable guy. Everyone in Keele Leisure Centre knows Neil, but this has been created solely as a piss take. Funny, but this isn't a comedy site. Not BJAODN worthy. GWO 08:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Already been (rightly) tagged for speedy. Proto||type 10:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Fairy nuff. GWO

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The result of the debate was delete - Liberatore(T) 17:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eponymous political slanders

Wikipedia shouldn't repeat slanders, and the examples given are weak. Even the "successful" example "Santorum" gets only 600 or so Google hits without Savage's name attached (search). Phr 09:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC) (Also, constitutes original research per WP:NOR). Phr 14:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's inappropriate for Wikipedia to document social phenomena, and eponymous political slanders is certainly a real (and ongoing) social phenomenon. And documenting a slander is not the same thing as propagating it; I've certainly attempted, in writing this page, to avoid suggesting that I agree with the slanders in question. -- Meowse

Addendum: I have reviewed What Wikipedia Is Not and the Deletion policy, and I see no elements of either which, singly or in combination, justify deleting this page. Please cite specific elements from authoritative sources which justify deleting this page. Neither of your stated reasons ("Wikipedia shouldn't repeat slanders" and "the examples given are weak") occurs in either source, and thus neither can be used to justify deletion. Thanks, Meowse 11:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Please also read WP:V for what constitutes usable citations. Few if any of your cites rise to the level required. Also, your cites are merely to examples of this phenomenon, not to published writing about the phenomenon itself ("eponymous political slanders" gets zero google hits right now). If the phenomenon is one that you identified yourself, that's original research inappropriate for Wikipedia, see WP:NOR. I've updated the beginning of the AfD to mention this. Remember that Wikipedia is not supposed to be a primary source. It's supposed to report only on what's already been documented by others. I realize your contribution is well-intended but Wikipedia is not the right place for this particular one. Phr 14:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Nor does a Google search for "eponymous scientific terms" yield any significant hits outside of Wikipedia, yet there is a page for that. Categorizing instances of a phenomenon is not original research. Meowse 18:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any page called eponymous scientific terms, and even if there is one, there's no question that those terms (Newton, Pascal, Ampere, etc) are real terms; they have tons of published cites that go back for centuries, and making a list of them is no big deal. The only disparaging eponymous political term that I can think of with that documentable level of usage is Quisling, and I don't think that was coined in order to slander him. The examples you gave as "successful" range from barely marginal (santorum) to completely invalid (someone coining a term on a blog and someone else sticking it into Wiktionary doesn't make it a real word). And the "unsuccessful" efforts are non-notable terms by definition. Did you look at WP:NEO, the part about protologisms? Phr 22:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unencyclopedic. -- Kjkolb 11:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. -- P199 16:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable phrases, unneeded flamebait (just wait until the "Bushitler" et al. entries commence). Sandstein 18:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for how the page can be made more opinion-neutral, please make them. I did my best to simply record a phenomenon without weighing in on either side of it. In particular, if you know of any eponymous political slanders of left-wing politicians, I would very much like to add them to the entry. (Note: "Bushitler", while both a neologism and a play on words, is clearly not an eponymous political slander as defined on this page: (1) it's not eponymous, being a portmanteau of two different names, and (2) it doesn't then attempt to redefine "bushitler" to reference an unpleasant concept) Meowse 22:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Request for collaboration: I believe that there's a significant social phenomenon occurring here, starting with Dan Savage's coinage of the neologism "santorum", and continuing into the present. I think that it's appropriate for Wikipedia to contain articles on emerging social phenomena. How would you like this information to be presented in Wikipedia, and what names/descriptions would you like it to be present under? Thanks! Meowse 22:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Your sentence "I believe there's a significant social phenomenon occuring here", without documentation for the supposedly occurring phenomenon, is a sign that you're engaged in original research. Wikipedia is not trying to stay ahead of the curve. The phenomenon (if it exists) needs to be documented with citations to published sources per WP:V and Wikipedia can report on it after it's established as a real phenomenon, not before. Really, please spend 15 seconds asking yourself privately why you want this entry in Wikipedia (that is, why you really want it, not how you can best advocate it here). Then read WP:SPAM#How not to be a spammer and see if item 1 applies. Phr 22:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• I think it should stay. I think entry is a fair description of what a "Eponymous political slander" is. In fact, I was researching just such a word, which I won't repeat here because it is a current event, and I found this entry very helpful. (This is the first time I have ever made a comment in Wikipedia ... so I hope this comment followed proper protocol.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.169.95.212 (talk • contribs).
  • Welcome to Wikipedia, and there's no problem commenting, except please sign your comments by appending four tilde's (~~~~). Also, see Template:AfdAnons which mentions that in deletion discussions, views of new contributors usually get less weight than already-active contributors. Phr 04:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This page has perhaps a single semi-valid entry and some flame baiting doo-doo by a vandal. There are plenty of politically derived eponyms but they are not necessarily slanders, even if they started as insults. Perhaps the weak, single "Santorum" entry could be used in another article related to political eponyms, but I'm not aware of such an article existing at this time. Ande B 05:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's a stretch to call it a list; there's only really one item worth mentioning. On top of that, the title is inaccurate, because the intent of introducing the neologism is to associate the eponymous politician with the connotations of the term's definition, not to assert that they are directly associated with it. --Sneftel 19:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep, see WP:RM or WP:RFC for the issue at hand. Stifle (talk) 00:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Let me just add that the nominator tried precisely that before trying AfD as a way to generate interest. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 19:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pope Stephen II

I want to rename the page Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II, but I need room for it. The dab is already on the article Pope Stephen III, so there is absolutely no need for a separate dab page. You can find a long discussion about this in Talk:Pope Stephen. Maybe this place is not the good one to discuss the issue of numbering popes Stephen, but I've found no other place to launch this debate. Švitrigaila 09:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment: For background on this, see the bottom of my talk page; after he tried at various other places to get input on this (up to now, only he and one other user had been interested in this discussion, and they didn't agree), e.g. at the village pump and RfC, we came up with this way of getting more input on it. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 09:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Not an AfD discussion -- merely an issue as to whether or not Stephen (ephemeral pope) counts as a pope or not. Recommend arbitration and speedy close of AfD -- 62.25.109.196 12:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  Arbitration is definitely too much, it's not even a real content dispute. The problem is that the usual mechanisms for getting other editors into the fray did not work at all, and I can't very well force a move down the third party's throat only because I happen to agree with Švitrigaila... —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 16:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh... you know, it wouldn't really bother me. :o) Švitrigaila 21:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Suggest that you call the Vatican (or better yet, pray) for advice, compromise on Pope Stephen 2.5 or solve this the traditional Wikipedia way by edit-warring until all of you get blocked, and the article is then overwritten as a POV fork of a no-name Norvegian death metal band called Pøpe Stefän 111. But I'm not going to peruse in depth three pages of convoluted historical debates about popes for the purpose of helping you along that path, so speedy keep and get off my AfD, please. (Seriously now, why don't you try to solicit the advice of other knowledgeable editors, e.g. active contributors to Papacy-related articles?) Sandstein 18:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I go on travel on Vatican City next week to make my investigations in the secret archives. I hadn't thought yet thout about Pope Stephen 2.5, but I thought about Pope Stephen π. And seriously I've tried to post this request in some strategical places on WP, with no effect. I'm too shy to ask any user personally. I dared to ask Nightstallion because he likes spetial caracters in titles, but it has no connection at all... Švitrigaila 21:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If I may add something: the issue is not a historical one. I think everybody agree about the facts themselves, so there is no need to find a pope specialist (a papologist ?) The issue is about the better way to name articles on Wikipedia. Everybody can have his word on it. Švitrigaila 22:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Even if Švitrigaila's solution were suitable to the problem, the page in question would be needed to implement it. AfD is for titles that should not exist, and even tho they & i disagree about what the content should be, it must exist.
  --Jerzy•t 00:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
  
• Comment have you tried Wikipedia:Third opinion and Wikipedia:Current surveys? Thryduulf 13:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Jerzy. If language is the barrier in this dispute, why is no one acting as a translator? Isn't there some facility for that here? —Wknight94 (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  17:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 8th Georgetown (South) Sea Scout Group

non-notable local Scout group; vanity jergen 09:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. You are a hard man, Jergen. Surely there is somewhere some of this can be saved. --Bduke 10:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. There was no content in the article except the weblink when I proposed it for deletion. --jergen 13:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. OK. I agree it must go. --Bduke 20:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. This is a possible copyright violation from [29]. Thus, as an article created less than 48 hours ago and containing what is largely an un-wikified block of text, it may qualify for speedy deletion, criteria A8. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 14:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• • Never mind, I reverted it to a previous version. No vote. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 14:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, totally non-notable, uninformative, vanity. -- P199 16:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge whatever is useful here into Persekutuan_Pengakap_Malaysia, see Scouting WikiProject guideline on local unit articles Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/RulesStandards#Local_articles:

==Local articles== Generally, an entity smaller than a Council should not have its own article. Districts and troops, for example, should only have their own article if its done something very unique. Council articles should be structured by state/province, etc. (see RulesStandards talk page)

Having local unit articles is vain and would create too many articles to organize is an effective manner. With the copyvio removal here, there is nothing useful to keep; but if there is something useful, it should go into the Malaysian Scouting article. Rlevse 18:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Obviously delete per nom and as non-notable club (and, if there is useful content, merge per Rlevse). Joe 19:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. RGTraynor 19:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Local interest only. Piccadilly 20:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - too local. --Khoikhoi 03:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete far too local interest. No one will be interested in this in 100 years and no one outside that area would be interested today. Cool3 22:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neuralia

Notability Yaranaika 09:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:CORP. Kcordina ^Talk 14:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - is an actual company. For great justice. 16:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable corporation. Plenty of "actual companies" get deleted every day, for good reasons. Brian G. Crawford 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. A company actually has to do something and gain prominence in order to keep an article. If one does that, that's what we call "notability" here on Wikipedia. RGTraynor 19:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, notability not even asserted. Henning Makholm 19:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Kcordina --Khoikhoi 03:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  17:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brokeback

Neologism based on Brokeback Mountain. Non-notable, unstable, uncommon etc. etc. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 09:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, but delete recently added neologism part. Brokeback works fine as a disambig, and it shouldn't be deleted just because some anon newbie added something that clearly doesn't belong there. I've been keeping this article neologism-free for a while, but doing this now that it's under AfD doesn't work, so I guess we'll let the process run its course. Haakon 10:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, it is not needed as a disambiguation page, either, since there is no article on the band. It could be redirected to the movie, but I don't see a need for that, since it is also a neologism and there is no evidence that the movie is referred to by "Brokeback" alone. -- Kjkolb 11:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn unverified protologism (and unnecessary disambig page). Esquizombi 14:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - as above. For great justice. 16:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There's no need for a disambiguation page, and that neologism business has to go. Brian G. Crawford 18:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per User:Brian G. Crawford. --Hetar 20:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete no needed as a disambiguation page. Piccadilly 20:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Brokeback Mountain as a potential link for the lazy MLA 12:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable people and characters with premature gray or graying hair

inane, unmaintainable, listcruft, this is what, 30% of the entirety of all biographical articles about a male subject and some of the females too? SchmuckyTheCat 10:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Inane, insane, and nutty cruft. Not only would it be massive (as per Schmucky), it's utterly unverifiable (people dye their hair, which is not a verifiable fact)), it's POV (at what age do you decide someone is prematurely graying, or just graying? 20? 30? 40?). 'Bluuuurgh' is the sound I make as I vomit delete upon its crufty and putrid body. Proto||type 10:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • ROFL! LOL! Concur, concur, delete! -- P199 16:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete --Mmx1 15:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, useless. Punkmorten 16:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, listcruft. --Terence Ong 17:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as listcruft per Proto. At what point of grey/white to original hair color ratio are are you considered to be prematurely "greying" vs "grey"? Is it premature if your genetic ancestry is such that everyone in your family has roughly 35% grey to color ratio by age 28? No way this could ever be anything but POV opinion.--Isotope23 17:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Just not useful. Scranchuse 17:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Proto, of course. Never was the template "..you can help by expanding it" more inapt. Sandstein 18:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete simply POV (who decides prematurely) Tearstar 18:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 Talk 19:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as inherently POV. --Lockley 23:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as absolutely useless listcruft. When I clicked on this, I knew that Taylor Hicks would be one of maybe a few entries. --Kinu ^t/_c 23:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT, ... Aquilina 00:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• WEAK: Add more and submit it to the BJAODN could have potential to be funny. Walksonwalls 02:41, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I started going gray at 15. Would that qualify? --Midnighttonight 08:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Are you notable?--86.6.254.141 17:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Extreme Lesbian Neutral. All this "this page is useless cruft but per policy we can't make it explode" being stated over and over again makes me giggle. --Lugiatm (talk • contribs) 17:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete! Fight the moose! --SirNuke 06:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I have received much thanks for this article from prominent anthropologists. --Savethemooses 22:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as A8 by User:Alabamaboy. Kotepho 01:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exanimus

Crystal ball pre-production MMO. First AfD notice was removed by anon - I've reverted it.

• Delete as per my nom. Dlyons493 Talk 10:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - CSD A8, Copyvio: http://www.exanimusthegame.com/website/index.html --lightdarkness ^(talk) 12:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT a crystal ball. Kcordina ^Talk 14:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was: speedy deleted by User:Doc_glasgow. Pepsidrinka 04:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamophilia

Page was recreated as a POV fork of Islamophobia by Germen[30]. Was deleted by consensus before, and no valid reason to recreate. Irishpunktom\^talk 10:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The previous vote, which resulted in delete, can be found Here.

• Delete - as nom. --Irishpunktom\^talk 10:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The term islamophilia:
  • is notable
  • is used in print
  • is used in several reputable academic publications
  • yields about 1000 Google hits

which all qualify as valid reasions for keep and recreate. The neologism is disputed, as is islamophobia which is part of Wikipedia.

User fails to indicate any POV elements in this article, which makes his claims that the article is a POV fork dubious and unproven.

User "strongly supports" keeping of the POV article islamophobia, which is inconsequent[31] --Germen (Talk | Contribs ) 10:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. per Germens comments. -- Karl Meier 10:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Because Wikipedia is not a dictionary, please do not create an entry merely to define a term. Raphael1 10:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The article is not a dictionary entry, as manifest by the discussion and the links. As all emerging articles (stubs) it is still concise. --Germen (Talk | Contribs ) 11:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As per user Raphael1, although it seems to have been deleted already. Jizz 11:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This article was speedy deleted G4 by User:doc glasgow, at 22:53, 31 March 2006. Article was recreated by User:Germen at 23:12, 31 March 2006. I have re-added the AfDx template linking to this discussion, and hope: (1) The discussion is held, to determine if this article belongs on Wikipedia per the various rules, policies, and guidelines, and (2) that all users involved abide by the result of this AfD. -- Saberwyn 12:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Lets try this again
• Delete . It's a dicdef. Kcordina ^Talk 14:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• delete . F.a.y.^{تبادله خيال /c} 15:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete . Possibly this would be better in wiktionary, but probably not needed at all Pseudomonas 15:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep--Roland 17:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep It's nowhere near as notable as analogous concepts like Islamophobia or Islamofascism, but it has been utilized by several notable sources. I've said before that I would vote keep on "Zionazi", and "Islamophilia" has achieved greater currency than that. NPOV will require describing how the concept is understood by its users, rather than asserting that "Islamophilia" is an objectively real phenomenon, but I think this falls on the keep side. Babajobu 18:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• I echo Grutness' opinion from the old AfD: "Merge with Islamophobia - in the hope that they will somehow cancel each other out and implode. Failing that, delete". Sandstein 18:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because of dicdef? Delete because of neologism? Who cares, just toss it! RGTraynor 19:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Hetar 19:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no chance of ever getting any NPOV content under that title. Henning Makholm 19:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Piccadilly 20:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete another pov fork used to make a point, the neologism is not well known at all. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Simply isn't notable. Seperate from wikipedia Islamophilia has 714 google hits. For a new term that somebody could make up on the spot without ever having heard before, that's basicly nothing. Islamophobia on the other hand has 1460000 non-wikipedia hits on google. Shadowoftime 23:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Its a topic, its encyclopedic. Its a concept that represents a real phenomenon in society. Why all the hoopla? Its a good thing we are not editing a real encyclopedia , cause I think there would be a lot of missing pages in it.--CltFn 05:38, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The Daily Telegraph did an article on this entitled Islamophilia in 2001. [32]. Let's encourage articles on serious topics. -- JJay 14:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per Irishpunktom. SouthernComfort 14:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment appears to have been created out of a desire to "balance" Wikipedia with Islamophobia. The real test of whether this article should be deleted is whether the term is in common use. Islamophobia is in far greater use than Islamophilia so those WP:POINT violators, who claim "If you keep Islamophobia, then we should also keep Islamophilia" are not necessarily correct. Some of the "references" in this article link to articles or websites of questionable acceptability and many of them do not use the term "Islamophilia". savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 21:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A notable article that should be kept, the mere mention of this term by the british media and political figures should be enough ensure the article stays.JHJPDJKDKHI! 21:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

At this point, the article was speedy deleted again by User:doc glasgow (G4) and protected. Now what the fuck do we do? -- Saberwyn 22:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: That sort of action really seems counterproductive to me. Is it too much to ask for an expanation? User:Dr. Glasgow clearly knew this AfD was in progress. It would be nice if he at least had the courtesy to explain why he closed it down. -- JJay 23:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I've requested a deletion review. Henning Makholm 09:06, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Hall, University of Cambridge- Students opinion

Article {{prod}}ed twice as violation of WP:NPOV. Tag removed by authors with no attempt to improve article. Authors state that the article is trying to encourage applications to the college, which is hardly an encyclopædic endeavour.  (aeropagitica)  10:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. This is a terrible attempt to misuse Wikipedia. Get rid of it. --Bduke 11:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as an advertisement. (Encouraging college applications is considered advertising.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 12:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as speedily as possible. Shocking piece of rubbish. Badgerpatrol 13:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and wonder why there isn't something on their own web page first. --Pak21 13:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as self admitted advert. But then, I'd be more inclined to stay away after reading it. Kcordina ^Talk 14:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. Wikipedia is being misused. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Advertising, POV. Pseudomonas 16:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, POV ad. --Terence Ong 17:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV ad. Scranchuse 17:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus/Keep. Stifle (talk) 00:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soggy biscuit

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This was previously nominated for deletion last July, but survived with no consensus. No reliable references or sources have been provided since last year. I believe this is not, at present, a tenable topic for a verifiable encyclopedia article: anything we do write will either be original research, remain unverified or will reference only unreliable sources. To quote the Verifiability policy, "Articles should rely on credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy...Sources should also be appropriate to the claims made: outlandish claims beg strong sources...The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain. Editors should therefore provide references. If an article topic has no reputable sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic."

• Delete. — Matt Crypto 11:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. When you see the phrases "A game supposedly played" and "However, there is no documented evidence that this game is actually played by anyone", and not a single reference, the WP:V alarm bells start ringing. Not verified, not verifiable, original research, get thee gone! Proto||type 14:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• weak Strong Keep, per refs below. Name and concept commonly known in the UK, at least. A widely-known urban legend- surprised better sources can't be found. Needs rewriting, but I feel now know can probably definitely (see below) be verified. I get the impression that many of the contributors to this and the previous AfD may have doubted the game's veracity- whether it's ever actually played or not I cannot say, but the concept and name at least are genuine. Badgerpatrol 14:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  Comment - 'can probably be verified' - I tried, and I found nothing reliable. If somebody else can, then I will reconsider my vote. Proto||type 14:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  Response Referenced in UK national newspaper [33]. This is such a well-known concept that I suspect other printed sources (e.g. compendiums of modern folklore, commentary on public schools etc) would also be available [in addition to those already offered); however, I do realise that strongly suspecting the existence of other references is not the same as having them to hand- hence weakness of keep. Badgerpatrol 15:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  I guess the question isn't so much as to whether the concept exists — whether as an urban legend or not: it's clear that plenty of people mention it; e.g. in the newspaper editorial you mention. The issue would appear to be whether enough information about it has been published by reputable sources to be able to write an encyclopedia article about it. My suspicion is that there is not, but it's difficult to prove a negative. — Matt Crypto 16:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, and I also note that the Blackadder quote, while it might refer to this practice, does not provide enough information to know that it does. Esquizombi 14:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Everyone in England would already know that it does - the practice itself does not need to be verified, it is a verifiable cultural reference.

• • • Comment Those claims do not meet WP:V. Esquizombi 17:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Badgerpatrol or redirect and smerge (not sure to where) or transwiki to Wiktionary. I'm not sure how much of an Encyclopedia entry this could ever be. I'm curious as to where Cassell's Dictionary got its info, but I suppose it is an acceptable source. I think the unsourced stuff in the article (e.g. the players do not necessarily self-identify as homosexual) has got to go. I found another source of debatable reliability: ""Other popular variations of such games include ejaculating onto food (favorites are soggy biscuits, white bread, chocolate pudding, etc.). The last person to come has to eat it." Garbage, Greta (1999). That's Disgusting : An Adult Guide to What's Gross, Tasteless, Rude, Crude, and Lewd, page 71 ISBN 1580080944 The game also appears in Goats: A Novel by Mark Jude Poirier, page 106 and in the story "Soggy Biscuit" by Barry Lowe in Flesh and the Word: An Anthology of Erotic Writing by John Preston. It's also described in Devenish, Colin (2000). Limp Bizkit, page 26 ISBN 031226349X. Most of the other references to SBs in books (Amazon search) seem to be to biscuits that have become soggy from more conventional liquids, though some of them allow for probably inadvertant humor by double entendre. Esquizombi 14:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. WP:V. PJM 14:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - at least as a cultural reference. Is noted in Stephen Frys The Liar. For great justice. 16:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - res ipsa loquitur, as they say. WP:NOT a repository of urban myths, let alone schoolboy myths. Sandstein 18:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Changed to weak keep after WP:V provided below (but put the sources in the friggin' article!). Still not really convinced of notability, but well, if we do have all of e.g. Category:Paraphilia... Sandstein 21:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment The article needs a substantial rewrite (to improve style as well as to insert suitable references), which I am happy to do provided it persists past the AfD. Badgerpatrol 22:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. While many editors reject WP:WINAD and think that neologisms are just fine for Wikipedia, WP:V is not negotiable. Brian G. Crawford 18:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

General comment I think there is some misunderstanding here. Some voters appear to be objecting on the grounds that the entry is a neologism or 'pure' original research (ie that the original contributor, or a small group containing the contributor and a few friends, made up this term on the spot). Neither is true. 'Soggy biscuit' IS not a neologism. It is a widely-known and recognised name and concept, at least in the UK (as can be confirmed by even a cursory Google search, which returns multiple (thousands) independent hits). One may not have heard of a term, but that does not make it untrue. The question is not 'is this a real thing' but rather 'it IS a real concept, but should it be included in the encyclopaedia'? (ie, can it be verified?). The content is definitely true, but 'actual' truth is not 'objective' truth (ie verifiability). I have provided one ref above, and FGJ has suggested another; there is also the Blackadder sketch. There are numerous pages regarding individual urban legends and modern folklore on Wikipedia. The material should probably be kept in its current form; I feel there is too much for wiktionary, but a move would perhaps be one option as a compromise. As far as I can see, this term now fully satisifes WP:V and WP:OR. Badgerpatrol 19:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

But what do these references let us say, exactly? I don't think they even suffice as a reliable source for a definition. — Matt Crypto 22:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:V... references provided are not sufficient. This concept exists; in the days of yore where I came up it was called "Circle Jerk" and the supposed target was a Saltine cracker. The problem is sourcing. We have one referenced article that mentions "soggy biscuit" with the 'wink-wink-nod-nod' that the reader already knows what it is. There is a a mention in a book, and a passing mention on Black Adder. Unless someone can produce a source that verifiably describes the act of soggy biscuit in reference to that name, and the other purported terms used for it, it simply does not meet WP:V's big old bold text: Verifiability, not truth.--Isotope23 20:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Finally, someone understands what sourcing the article means! Badgerpatrol gets a cookie for making a decent first step towards WP:V sourcing. I'm going to withdraw my opinion for now pending Badgerpatrol's rewrite and sourcing of the article. I'd like to see further sources, or the article strongly based and attributed to the Cassell reference if that is the only WP:V source being provided.--Isotope23 13:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the Stephen Fry novel The Liar, and the article should reflect its existance as a rumour and item in fiction, not claim it is a fact. For great justice. 22:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Mentioned or described?--Isotope23 01:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Described, in quite some detail. For great justice. 01:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

But it's a novel, yes? We can't really use fiction as a reliable source. — Matt Crypto 06:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, if that is the source being used to verify this then the article should read "Soggy Biscuit is an act described in the Stephen Fry novel...etc". At that point I would say this should be merged to The Liar.--Isotope23 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure - re-write the article to show that it is a cultural reference. For great justice. 23:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

• Dosen't appear to be true, otherwise is's funny move to BJAODN Walksonwalls 02:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 03:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. No Guru 03:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete is really just a slang dicdef that has been expanded beyond it's usefulness. It is not a neologism but it isn't encylopedic as it's not notable. MLA 12:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, for those of you who are not from the UK, it is not a neologism. It is a cultural reference that appears in numerous places. There are articles for fictional places, people and things, the reason people seem to insist on deleting this is that most americans have never heard of it. That's disapointingly narrow minded. For great justice. 23:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

No, the problem is that it is not sourced per WP:V.--Isotope23 13:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• Merge There is a WP:V and WP:RS [34], but not enough there-there for an article. FloNight ^talk 15:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Not to nitpick, but that isn't a WP:V source because it doesn't describe what "soggy biscuit" is. The exact reference in that article is: "It could have been more embarrassing only if they'd been caught playing soggy biscuit." Anyone reading that would have to have a pre-existing idea of what "soggy biscuit" refers to. All you can infer from this is that getting caught playing "soggy biscuit" is embarrassing, or would be to a world leader. It could be a collequial reference to Candyland based on the complete lack of context in this article. A WP:V reference needs to describe the game.--Isotope23 15:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep - I want articles like this on wikipedia. There may be difficulties in getting citations and references about a sex/dirty game but that doesn't mean the information is irrelevant, and this game is definitely not made up and is sort of an urban legend. If I want to find out what a 'soggy biscuit', is or what 'hot karl' is or whatever filthy things I hear on TV are I want to be able to go on wikipedia and find out. I can confirm as a UK citizen that this game does exist, at least by word-of-mouth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.143.187 (talk • contribs).
• Strong keep - If "felching" stays in, so should "the soggy biscuit". This is the sort of pop culture referance I utilize the wikipedia for. Settling arguments and such. If I wanted a typically boring encylical, I'd have broken out the cash for a world book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.14.64.199 (talk • contribs).
  • That's all fine and dandy, but it still doesn't change the fact that this is not reliably sourced. recreate it in Uncyclopedia... or find sources.--Isotope23 13:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: fails WP:NOT. --Hetar 02:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: I've even heard this urban legend in Norway. 129.241.127.122 14:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment on Verification OK, in a nostalgic reminder of my mis-spent youth, I spent part of today in the library looking up naughty words in the dictionary. The first (and I must confess, only- breaktime is special time!) dictionary I went to ('The Cassell Dictionary of Slang, Jonathon Green, 1998, page 1110) had this to say re 'Soggy Biscuit':

Soggy Biscuit, n. 1960's, origin. Aus.: 'A masturbation game, popular among schoolboys, whereby the participants masturbate and then ejeculate upon a biscuit; the last to reach orgasm must eat the semen-covered bicuit'

That is surely as exact a definition as surely wikipedia needs? As objective evidence, we now have: the Guardian article, which tells us that a) soggy biscuit is an embarassing activity; b) that it is sufficiently notable as to be suitable for inclusion in a major national newspaper without further explanation, the nod and wink conceit being that the reader will already know what it is and will not require further explanation. We have the BlackAdder reference. We also have FGJ's assertion that the game is mentioned in detail in The Liar. Finally, we have the precise definition in a reference work intended for a mass audience. This, as multiple correspondants above have asserted (not just the slightly unreliable anon. IPs), is a widely notable urban legend. I have no doubt, given the widespread notability of this game in British and Anglophone culture, that many other references are available and can be added to the article in the future. I did not have to look hard in order to find the definition above. I really do feel that we now have enough corroboratory evidence to satisfy WP:N and WP:V. There is no reason why this article should be held to higher standards of notability and verifiability (which surely have now been satisfied?) than any other on Wikipedia. It is a real concept, not a neologism, sufficiently notable for most readers of a national newspaper to be assumed to have heard of it, and can be verified with an exact definition. It is encyclopaedic. Badgerpatrol 19:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Delete or at worst merge - is there a page Stupid games people play, with apologies to Eric Berne, who would classify this one a type 3 game I think. It may be genuine - it has been mentioned in a newspaper, although the journalist didn't say what it was, so assuming that he meant the same thing as someone else is ... and assumption ... but it lacks the minimal element of importance sometimes called notability that distinguishes all-inclusiveness from encyclopaedic. Midgley 00:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Response I think I've outlined the case for notability above. 'Importance' is a subjective term. Notability... -isn't. Badgerpatrol 00:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Some more citations, from NewsBank:

"YOU might think nothing would shock rockers Limp Bizkit but you'd be wrong. The American stars are horrified to discover that their name describes a masturbation game known across the world". The Northern Echo: SLEAZE AND BIZKIT Northern Echo, The (Middlesborough, England) April 4, 2002

"It's a terrible thing to do but it is a TV tradition - as is the biscuit game at public schools". Independent on Sunday: First Up: Close to the edit Independent on Sunday, The (London, England) December 16, 2001

"Reading is for idle fops between rounds of the biscuit game" In your face - Comment, Alan Coren Times, The (London, England) December 3, 1999

All such sources are admittedly hearsay, but they are reliable sources to the existence of the meme. Tearlach 10:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC) Tearlach 10:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - whether or not it actually takes place in real life, the concept is well known and the term is in common usage. DWaterson 20:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep, expand and source. Notable concept. (Note that I am an American who has heard of this term, and it's actually pretty widespread even here, though we call it soggy cracker, not biscuit). --Rory096 00:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, it's the playground equivalent of Keyser Soze - everyone's heard of it but no-one has played it. The article needs to be brought in line with WP:V post haste. Deizio 11:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Thanks Badgerpatrol for digging up a reasonably credible source for a definition. I've reduced the article to those facts for which we have reliable sources. — Matt Crypto 12:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

• Response- No problem! I have now completely rewritten the article and included verification. It is never going to be War and Peace, but with a modicum of effort it could expand from the sizeable stub that it now is to a minor article. Note that I have included some no-wiki comments in the body of the text that are only visible when editing or in the history (see this diff). It would be great to get hold of some of the newspaper mentions referred to above- if any subscribers can get hold of them and include them as refs that would be ideal. Cheers, Badgerpatrol 14:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Badgerpatrol. New Progressive 14:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but don't stop looking for sources - certainly a term I've known for decades, and definitely improving after Badgerpatrol's work on providing some credible sources. Surely more can be found for such a long-time urban legend. - dharmabum 21:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Redirect to Glacial Lake Outburst Flood Proto||type 10:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glacier run

Information in this article was substantially merged into Glacial Lake Outburst Flood and is no longer needed. If the concensus is to delete, closer should also delete talk page to prevent it being orphaned.--MONGO 11:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect...yes, this would be better than a deletion...anyone who wants to do the obvious, be bold, close this out and do the redirect, please do so.--MONGO 20:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious redirect, thus retaining all necessary edit history as per GFDL. Proto||type 14:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Glacial Lake Outburst Flood as it may be a term readers try and find Kcordina ^Talk 14:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Note: I've just merged a bit more and Glacial Lake Outburst Flood now contains all information at Glacier run. Kcordina ^Talk 14:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect, as suggested above. PJM 14:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect, per above. --MaNeMeBasat 07:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. Angr (talk • contribs) 21:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of schools in the United Kingdom

Would editors please note that there is another discussion for a related article at the bottom of the page! Somebody requested the debate be split and I have agreed. So, please contribute to that debate too as that one is being passed by at the moment. --kingboyk 20:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

According to the talk page (where there are several comments about the pointlessness of this list), there is in the order of 25,000 schools in the UK. The list is already 177k, which way over the recommended article size. I believe WP:NOT (indiscriminate info) applies. Really a list like this is lacking on context, and it does nothing for the reader that the already quite intricately structured schools categories can't do a lot better.

Please note, this is not an anti-schools nomination (I'm in the "schools are notable" camp), it's anti-listcruft. Second note (very important one) - I anticipate that some editors will say "this list shows red links but categories don't" (and that, frankly my friends, is the only virtue of this list). Wikipedia is optimised for readers not editors, and categories are optimal for readers. If a redlink list is needed, it belongs in the schools WikiProject (see WP:Beatles for how we've been approaching this issue). Delete or move to the schools WikiProject. kingboyk 12:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC) P.S. This was previously nominated just over a year ago and the result was Keep. --kingboyk 12:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Added List of UK Independent Schools. This is a much smaller and more specialisted list so it is unreasonable to lump it in with this one, which has been nominated partly for its size, especially after some delete votes have been recorded. I will list it separately. CalJW 17:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC) One delete vote. --kingboyk 18:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per the above. Would support a copy of this list being created at the Schools project, where they can use it as a tool to assist in their expansion. -- Saberwyn 12:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, dump a copy in the schools project as required. Good call. I like the point that Wikipedia is optimised for readers, not editors, and will be regurgitating it from now on. Listcruft fans (cruftos?) would do well to remember it. Proto||type 14:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pn. A clearly put and well argued nomination Kcordina ^Talk 14:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Send it over to the school project. youngamerican (talk) 14:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, listcruft, bring this to the WikiProject. --Terence Ong 17:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep It needs splitting up, that's all. Scranchuse 17:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Essential lists. America has similar lists. The point about readers versus editors makes no sense at all: the red links tell readers the names of schools which don't have articles. Lumping a list of a couple of hundred items in with one far larger which has been nominated largely on account of size is unreasonable so I will separate it. CalJW 17:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The old "someone else has it so we must" excuse? (Last seen in a forumcruft debate near you). It's a list of potentially 25,000 articles which makes it indiscriminate information. Why don't we have List of schools in Europe? Because it makes no sense, and nor does this. --kingboyk 18:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • What is mean is America has lists of schools and they are useful. A list of schools is not indiscrimate information - look up the meaning of the word in a dictionary. CalJW 19:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
      • wiktionary:indiscriminate: "without care or making distinctions, thoughtless". --kingboyk 19:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
        • There you are then, it is irrelevant. CalJW 05:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per kingboyk. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 18:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete listcruft. Henning Makholm 20:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and convert into a list of lists. Piccadilly 20:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and complete. Obviously, we want this. It's a list of schools and we do articles on schools. If size is a problem it should be divided into a series of lists. -- JJay 02:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Category:Schools in the United Kingdom does this far better. Can a page redirect to a category?, if so, redirect it as well. --Midnighttonight 08:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and subdivide list if necessary, but absolutely do not delete this content from Wikipedia. Silensor 03:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and subdivide by county. Honbicot 04:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong keep and divide as necessary, perhaps convert into a list of lists by country and if necessary, by county. Samantha of Cardyke 11:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong keep At least until most of the red links are gone and even then it is a useful list if divided by country/county--Rjstott 06:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep please erasing this makes no sense at all Yuckfoo 06:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep  (aeropagitica)  16:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of UK Independent Schools

Same principle. More-than-adequately served by categories, redlinks can be tracked in the WikiProject. --kingboyk 13:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

This was lumped together with a much smaller and more specialist list, which was unreasonable.

• Very strong keep. There are only a few hundred independent schools in the UK, and the sector is important in its own right. The categories have been divided by county, which means that they don't offer the alphabetical list that this does. Also there are red links, which encourage the creation of articles and inform readers of the existence of schools without articles. CalJW 17:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Refactored, as he'd actually struck out my nomination and put his comment where the nomination should go! --kingboyk 18:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. I'm starting to agree with you about bundled nominations, so I support splitting. (but not striking out my nomination and heading the debate with your defence!) --kingboyk 18:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I had to do what I could to counter your manipulative behaviour within the limitations of the software. I am pleased to see that you don't intend to do the same sort of thing again. CalJW 19:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL please. Adding a late find onto an existing AFD when there's only been one contributor is par for the course. I personally will try to refrain from doing it in the future because it doesn't help the closing admin, and then of course there's people who will moan about process rather than the matter at hand. --kingboyk 19:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Provides access to information on a very important aspect of British society. Piccadilly 20:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. No problem at all here since we have articles on most of these schools. -- JJay 02:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Use a category instead. --Midnighttonight 08:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per the list above. Silensor 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and complete. There are few enough of these that they can all fit on one page. Honbicot 04:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The task of gathering things is handled by categories. Grouping things like this is messy and not a particularly useful way of allowing readers to find things. Page seems to fall neatly into WP:NOT. The tracking of redlinks should be handled by wikiproject schools, not in an article. Kcordina ^Talk 12:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia has thousands of lists so it is nonsense to say in some off hand way that they are not a proper part of it. CalJW 05:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep please this list is important too Yuckfoo 06:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep  (aeropagitica)  16:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of places in Gloucestershire

Many of the points I raised in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schools in the United Kingdom (2nd nomination) apply here too, particularly with regards to categorisation and the redlinks issue. In this case, I believe the list is rather more broken. It omits many of the villages which already have articles, and I don't trust all of the redlinks. The county of Gloucestershire and the unitary authority of South Gloucestershire already have comprehensive and well organised geographical categories (see Category:Towns in Gloucestershire (30entries), Category:Villages in Gloucestershire (111 entries), Category:Villages in South Gloucestershire (88), Category:Towns in South Gloucestershire (11)), and this list serves no additional useful purpose. Delete. kingboyk 12:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Categories are awesome and are way better for this kind of thing. As long as everything is dropped into the correct categories, and I trust kingboyk to have ensured that, then this serves no purpose other than looking like ass. Proto||type 14:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pn. A clearly explained and well argued nomination. Kcordina ^Talk 14:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. PJM 14:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep I tend to like to keep lists like this around until the red links are filled in, as places without articles inherently cannot be categorized and, therefore, the correct namespace for future articles are not as readily available to editors that may wish to create said article in the future (some articles that I have created have been due to stumbling onto red links). I have no objection to future deletion when the categories fill up, I would just hate to lose such a valuable tool for editors prematurely. I would vote delete for when the red links are filled (while I agree that Wikipedia should be optimized for readers over editors, it still is useful to have some deference paid to the people that are actually trying to put version 1.0 together, ie all of us) or if a good wikiproject is started. But for now, the one pro outweighs the cons. I would, instead, rather see the article have a "verify" tag to address concerns in the nom. youngamerican (talk) 14:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC) youngamerican (talk) 14:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  Suggestion - dump a copy in Talk:Gloucestershire/list or somewhere similar, and put a note on the talk page of the article. We get rid of another crappy listcruft article that's of dubious veracity and accuracy (I can tell you for a fact there's a load of places missing, just from referring to my AA road atlas, and I can't find some that are on this list), and a copy is retained so people can 'fill in the red links' (always an awful reason for keeping lists). Proto||type 14:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  • • Comment. Not a bad idea. It keeps the list around for editors without cluttering up the areas the casual reader might stray. If such a transfer was done for all lists worldwide, an AfD calling for mass-deletion of such lists would be in order and would get my support. youngamerican (talk) 15:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Yes indeed Another possible location would be on the talk page of Category:Gloucestershire (see Category_talk:The KLF). --kingboyk 15:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Even better. That would maximize efficacy for editors and minimize intrusion for readers. I think you have found a wiki-Tao. youngamerican (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Concur, dump on talk subpage. Good idea for dealing with minimally useful lists. Sandstein 18:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, listcurft and per well explained nomination. --Terence Ong 17:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The categories are specialised. With this you don't have to know whether a place is a town, village or city. Scranchuse 17:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Every county has one of these lists. They are the only overview in Wikipedia of all the settlements in a county. If this one needs a few corrections, please correct it. Nathcer 17:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Having spent all day yesterday sorting out the categories? You must be joking! If it's so important to you, you fix it. Now do you see the problem? Almost every list on Wikipedia is unloved and lags behind the categories because whilst a few people will come here and speak up for them few people actually adopt these articles and ensure they stay up to date and focussed. --kingboyk 18:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It doesn't matter who fixes it. Most likely someone will one day and even imperfect articles are useful - which is a rather important underlying assumption of Wikipedia. A list of British places won't need much updating once it has been corrected once. Piccadilly 20:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as useful list. Capitalistroadster 01:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Not quite as good as the school lists but still worth keeping. -- JJay 02:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per comments by Scranchuse, Nathcer and Piccadilly. Simon Dodd 03:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete  (aeropagitica)  16:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli Arab transference from Israel

This article is a POV fork of several articles: Israeli Arabs, Population_transfer#Middle_East and Avigdor Liberman Zeq 12:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

also to be considered for deletion is this redirect : Israeli-Arab_eviction.

A quick look at the many (too many) sources listed will show that the author of the article completly misrepresent the truth about Liberman's ideas. (just see the talk page of the article itself for more details) Zeq 12:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tally

After 5 days, out of 20 votes we have 4 that voted to keep. Zeq 04:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] votes

• Delete or merge with some Israeli politics article. --BWD ^(talk) 13:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as the article is a pure anti-Liberman POV push (by a user who admitted he has only found out who Liberman was this week), and a fork, and I'm not willing to work too much on it, although in principle I think it could become a decent article if the approach was changed. For instance, a clear lead section needs to be made, and the article should focus on the 1950s discussions (might be hard to source), and the paragraph about Liberman should be removed entirely. He isn't the only politician, and not the most notable, who has, at some point in his political career, remarked that he doesn't want Israeli Arabs in Israel. -- Y Ynhockey ^(Talk) Y 14:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• There is also a Liberman article that it could be merged into. Zeq 15:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I don't see any problem with the article i.e. it's very CORRECT and exact, backed up by strong evidence, and given the fact that 95% of Israel's Russian immigrant declare him as their idol and savior, it may not be fair to sweep those evidence under the rug. Zadil 15:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — This is an article about supposed public opinion in Isreal that is not official government policy. Toss this on the steaming pile of anti-israeli propaganda. — RJH 16:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Well-sourced original research propaganda, POV fork. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Please review statements in article and their well-sourced citations. This is not OR.Lokiloki 18:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per Jayjg and others. Zeq 18:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note: Vote is by nominator; please don't count user double. -- Dissident (Talk) 23:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Avigdor Liberman and cleanup from there, if needed. This is about his (supposed) politics, yes? Sandstein 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. POV fork, and "transference" is what happens when you fall in love with your psychotherapist. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. per Lokiloki, but should be expanded to include earlier discussion about transfer, i.e. all post-1948. Huldra 19:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Huldra, I am dispaointed from your vote. But maybe it is not your fault. More than anything, this article show how an editor can take a source like "Haaretz" (which has comntators from all sides of the Israeli political map) and use what is essetialy an election time propeganda (of those who wanted to smear Liberman) and use it as "sources" for Wikipedia article.

From the record I presonaly think that Liberman has some views that are facist but that is no excuse to falsify the article about his views. Zeq 19:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A very quick note: actually, Zeq; my interest is not mainly in Liberman (which I tried to indicate above). But I see the subject pop up again and again through history (post 1948) due to demographics, read e.g. Tom Segev, Binational solution(The Friedlander-Goldscheider study). Huldra 19:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC) PS: have you read Segevs latest book?

Huldra, The issue is not that "it pops" but "what pops" and "by whom". There was a party in Israel that proposed tarnsfer, It was Kahane party that was outlawed. If Liberman would propose that he will not be able to run. It is aginst the law in israel to propose that. So what ever you think "poped" it is not the same thing as what this article suggests.

Liberman suggests exchange of land for land, same as the Geneva peace plan. Zeq 19:57, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case, why does even The Times note: "[Liberman]] plans to strengthen Israel’s status as a Jewish state by transferring 500,000 of its minority Arab population to the West Bank, by the simple expedient of redrawing the West Bank to include several Arab Israeli towns in northern Israel. Another 500,000 would be stripped of their right to vote if they failed to pledge loyalty to Zionism." [35]

I am not trying to defend Liberman's idea's I am trying to make sure we have accurate articles that are not a POV fork. Even the London times (which is not 100% accurate) talks about redrawing of borders - so why do'nt you delete this article now ? Zeq 04:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. as per all of above. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The idea of expelling Arabs is widely notable, as references of it can be easily found using Google.[36][37] -- Dissident (Talk) 23:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom and Jayjg. Pecher ^Talk 10:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC) angemessen
• Delete or de-POV, merging eventual remains with appropriate article on Israeli politics. --tickle me 13:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV fork, content covered elsewhere. -- Heptor _talk 13:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Zeg. Bill Levinson
• Merge Any sourced information about expulsion or expulsion concerns can be merged to Israeli-Palestinian conflict or Avigdor Liberman.--AladdinSE 19:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per RJH. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 07:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per many above: 1)pure POV fork; 2)"transference" misused in title 3)content could be merged to other articles. elizmr 23:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or merge with appropriate articles on Israeli or Middle-Eastern politics. CommonGround 16:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete under G1 by User:Dustimagic. Kotepho 01:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Young man mair

This appears to me to be Speedy:nonsense. I have marked it for Speedy and for PROD -- in each case the tag has been removed, and the history does not indicate to me that this was done by other than the originator. I am therefore forced to bring this to AfD. Simon Cursitor 12:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - nonsense. -- P199 16:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Most likely true, but utterly insignificant. Piccadilly 20:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: G1, what is this trying to say? --Kinu ^t/_c 22:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per P199 & Kuni. --Lockley 23:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)